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Question on Ancient Egyptian agriculture

Hi there Zerida, I'm one of the editors involved with the influenza page. We are looking for some academic references or discussion of ancient Egyptian animal agriculture. In particular, any information on if they had pigs and waterfowl/fishfarms. If you have information on this, please drop a note on my talk page. Thank you. TimVickers 22:10, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

Shu'ubiyya

Can you give an example of a Non-Persian Shu'ubi.In fact Shu'ubiyya is a movement happened mostly among Iraqi Persians (where there was a connection or perhaps conflict between Arabs and Persians). I never heard of Coptic , Berber or Aramean ;also Arameans or to be more accurate Syriac did not convert to Islam .NOTE:Shu'ubiyya refers to a movement during the medieval period Not modern. Thank you--Aziz1005 02:37, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

You rather conveniently skipped over the present-day Muslim Aramean communities of Syria. The villages of Bakh'a and Jubb'adin are entirely Muslim and Aramaic-speaking. And of course lots and lots of Aramean natives of Syrian-Palestine and Iraq eventually converted to Islam and today speak the local varieties of Arabic; that's a matter of historical record (setting aside Arab nationalist sentiment). As to Shu'ubiyya, the article stated that the movement was primarily Persian but that records of Egyptians, Berbers and Arameans staging similar protests are attested, which is of course correct. Egyptians, for example, regularly revolted against the Arab invaders in the first 2 centuries following the Arab occupation of Egypt. This is briefly explained in the Egyptians article. The battles between Berbers and Arabs are quite well-known. Zerida 08:27, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

I lived in Syria most of my life , and I do not need some one to tell me that I was Aramean. This could be right but as long as I consider my self an Arab and I can not speak Aramic that's it; now I am an Arab. By the way this is the first time I know that people of Bakh'a and Jubb'adin speak Aramic. The only Two towns that still speak Aramic in modern Syria are Maloula and Saidnaya which are Syriac Christian Towns. Nowadays most Christians in Syria Don not consider their selves as Aramean because they only speak Syriac at churches. Also you should bear in mind that not all Christian in Syria are originally Aramic; some are Arab like Ghassanied and malakia church (الكنيسة الملكية).

You did not give me an example of an Aramean or Berber poet or writer who was Shuo'obi where as you can find Shu'ubies Persian poets easily such as بشار بن برد.

What are the names of that battles between Berbers and Arabs? I think you should read Islamic history because those battles happened everywhere in the Early Islam even in the Arabia; so is that mean Arabia was not Arabic land.

Shu'ubiya is a movement happened after the early Islamic period (mostly Abbasid era). So we are not talking about early Islamic battles--Aziz1005 16:46, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

I don't have the time or the inclination to have debates of that nature. As far as Bakh'a and Jubb'adin are concerned, much linguistic fieldwork research has been conducted on modern Western Aramaic spoken by the indigenous Muslim communities of those regions. That you are unaware of their existence is a separate issue--this much is not open to debate. The article already states in another section that Berbers were the main ethnic group behind the Shu'ubiya movement in Spain after it ended in the east, so there's not much to debate here either. Hafs ben Maymun is an example (who was also murdered because of his views). Zerida 19:09, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

Me too, I don’t want to start a new debate with you. Because simply I fed up with all these kind of debates. As I told you before about Ma`loula and Saydnaya, and also Bakh'ka all these villages are in the same area which is called Qalamon (Northern Damascus) also for your own knowledge I have been to these villages many times .In fact people of these villages are Mostly Christians Not Muslims especially Ma'loula, and I think this is the reason why Aramaic survived in that part of Syria; Arabic also considered somehow a developed Aramic. Any way, you did not give an example of Shuwbiya among Arameans. And about Hafs ben Maymun his mureder was a political issue.Wish you the best in your studies--Aziz1005 13:43, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

Egypt

Hey Zerida,

I noted with interest your amendments to my own changes on the "Egypt", "Egyptian pound", and "1952 Revolution" pages. I wish to explain the reasons for the changes I made.

A) Egypt

1)Removal of the Ancient Egyptian and Coptic Egyptian names for the country (please note that I have not undone your re-insertion of these names) - this was because those terms are indeed anachronistic as I stated, and are more appropriately placed in the "Etymology" section alone. This is not to cause offense (I myself am Egyptian), but to avoid confusion as these terms are not in use today.

2)Inclusion of the term "Arab World", in addition to already present terms "Africa" and "Middle East" - a common sense addition, given that the Arab World is a distinct geo-linguistic/geo-cultural region in its own right.

3)Re-wording of the section relating to the Yom Kippur War - as you will know, in Egypt this war is referred to as the "October War", so adding this term next to "Yom Kippur War" is both accurate and informative. Furthermore, the pre-existing wording stated that Egypt and Syria attacked Israel, when the more neutral and accurate terminology would reflect that Egyptian and Syrian forces operated solely within their own sovereign territory, and no area of Israel was attacked. Hence, it was an attack against Israeli forces occupying the Sinai Peninsula and the Golan Heights, not an attack on Israel.

B) Egyptian pound

1)Adding focus to the Egyptian/Arabic term for the currency - this is an accurate and common sense edit to inform the reader of the local term for the currency. To omit this explicit reference can cause confusion as to what the currency is actually called by the Egyptian people themselves, whereas its inclusion provides the reader with the full picture.

C) 1952 Revolution

1)This is a most curious term to use for it misstates the nature of the event. In the interests of accuracy, the reader should be made aware that the revolution was an ongoing political event, not merely a coup d'etat, which brought about profound changes in Egypt and the region. Moreover, the term "Egyptian Revolution" is specific, accurate, and accepted, whereas the term "1952 Revolution" is not. Neutrality is not compromised at all by use of this term.

I hope you will not interpret any of my edits, or indeed this message, as arrogance on my part. I merely wish to provide a fuller, more accurate, and neutral body of information for the reader. I am sure this is also your desire. I would be extremely happy to further explore this issue with you so that we can both seek means of achieving this shared goal.

Thanks Louse 07:51, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

Re

Hmmm. Have you tried WP:RFCU? Khoikhoi 03:18, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

If he's broken 3RR under one account, feel free to just give me the diffs. If they were with multiple accounts, give links to four diffs showing the 3RRvio at the checkuser page. Khoikhoi 09:01, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

Image:Boutros Boutros-Ghali.jpg

The image above is missing essential source information. It will be deleted on 2007-03-20.   — Jeff G. (talk|contribs) 02:19, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

good job on the Egyptian Identity section

Good job on the Egyptian Identity section. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 74.12.208.216 (talk) 02:14, 20 March 2007 (UTC).

Thanks, whoever you are. Peace — Zerida 08:32, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

Kurów on Coptic language

Could you please write a stub abot Kurów here - just a few sentences based on http://en.wikipedia.org/Kur%C3%B3w ? Only 3-5 sentences enough. Please.

PS. Article about Kurów is already on 156 languages. If your village/town/city hasn't on PL wiki, I can do article about it. Pietras1988 16:07, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

Film

Hello Zerida- My name is Nic Hill and I'm making a documentary film on Misplaced Pages. My film crew is going to be in Cairo from april 25th till the 29th. I was wondering if you would be interested in participating in the film. Are you in Cairo now? If not, do you know any wikipedians who might be interested in working with us? Please let us know. Thank you very much.

For more information about the film, check out our site.

You can contact us by.

p. 0823701245 e. Nic@underdogpictures.com Brishen@underdogpictures.com

Hello Nic! Thanks for the invite, it sounds very interesting. Unforunately, I can't participate because I'm not in Egypt at the moment and won't be back for quite a while. Best of luck with the project. Cheers, — Zerida 03:23, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

Egyptians

I wasn't experimenting with the page Egyptian, I added Nefertiti's picture to the picture of the Egyptians and changed the caption accordingly. I reverted the change back. --> — KingTut1982

-- Hi Zerida, there must be a misunderstanding, I have already changed the collage and I am just changing the caption to reflect the collage.

--I agree, but I think Nefertiti is important to have to represent women in Ancient Egypt. I was also thinking about replacing that unknown mummy picture with Ahmed Zewil, but may be we should add a third row to the collage. KingTut1982 00:55, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

Test

Sorry, I was just messing around and trying to learn how to edit, and didn't mean to save it. I will use the sandbox for further training. I did fix a few grammatical errors. Zerepsj 16:03, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

arbitration needed

Zerida: it'd be appreciated if you can take a look at the Egypt talk page under the religion section to see if the other user/myself are being unreasonable.

Thanks. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Citadelite (talk • contribs) 18:13, 9 May 2007 (UTC).

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Question

Hello Zerida; please see the recent changes made on Copt by User:Egyegy, and advice on how to report it as vandalism. I had initially provied 6 references and the user deleted all of them along with the referenced statement and graphics. Thanks in advance! --Lanternix 14:27, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

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Coptic flag

Hi Zerida, I left a message about the flag at the Copt article talk page. Would appreciate your views.

Thanks Egyegy 08:39, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

Arabs

Hi Zerida. Can you please back me up here? Thanks! --Lanternix 23:21, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for making a report about Various usernames (talk · contribs · block log) on Misplaced Pages:Administrator intervention against vandalism. Reporting and removing vandalism is vital to the functioning of Misplaced Pages and all users are encouraged to revert, warn, and report vandalism. However, administrators are generally only able to block users if they have received a recent final warning (one that mentions that the user may be blocked) and they have recently vandalized after that warning was given. The reported user has not yet been blocked because it appears this has not occurred yet. If this user continues to vandalize even after their final warning, please report them to the AIV noticeboard again. No final warning was issued. I left uw-vandal4 warnings on all the talk pages. Please resubmit a request if this continues. -- wrp103 (Bill Pringle) 05:04, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

You might also consider reporting at the suspected sockpuppets page WP:SSP -- wrp103 (Bill Pringle) 05:17, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

This is looking more like an edit war than true vandalism. Even if I blocked the one editor, another account would be used to continue the changes. And since the edits aren't clearly vandalism, it is hard to justify a block. The edits might be controversial, but they aren't clearly vandalism, especially to anyone who isn't familiar with the topic.

You should certainly try to sockpuppet route. You might also request the page be protected, but you won't know what version will be frozen. You will most likely end up in mediation / arbitration. I don't see any evidence of a serious attempt to reach a compromise / consensus. Perhaps you can open a discussion on the talk page for the article and define the differences and look for a way to resolve the situation. Sometimes both sides are assuming the other side is being unreasonable, but when a dialog starts, they realize it is just two different points of view. -- wrp103 (Bill Pringle) 06:02, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

Your recent RFCU

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Misrepresentation of Keita

Can you please revert your misrepresentation of the study and quote from me where Keita says this?

"but "lower Egyptian, Maghrebian, and European patterns are observed."

You're passing them off as if they're all different specimens, these are phenotypes used to describe the same "Northern Egyptian pattern"(how he coined it) and not separate specimens of European, Maghrebian, and Lower Egyptian types(respectively), this is ruthless misinterpretation.. It's ironic how you claim that "afrocentric authors" do the very same thing. Now can you go back and review the quotes I provided and/or the study its self, this doesn't make sense.. Work with me here, I'm not going to edit war, but I will come back to make sure people are following the rules and not misinterpreting studies.Taharqa 04:18, 25 May 2007 (UTC)