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	*'''Keep'''. Very useful/informative site, due to relational database backend, and extensive references and screenshots for most games (see http://www.mobygames.com/game/doom/ vs ]). Template/site is equivalent to {{tl\|imdb}} or {{tl\|amg}} or {{tl\|KLOV game}}. Deleting all uses seems to be incredibly muddleheaded, and the members of WP:WPSPAM (who initially suggested this nom) didn't bring the issue up with WP:VG first as they probably should. Barely any advertising on the site, so even the CoI issue is small: interlinking of sites for the purposes of sharing useful information is '''why''' we have external links. --] 18:39, 9 June 2007 (UTC)		*'''Keep'''. Very useful/informative site, due to relational database backend, and extensive references and screenshots for most games (see http://www.mobygames.com/game/doom/ vs ]). Template/site is equivalent to {{tl\|imdb}} or {{tl\|amg}} or {{tl\|KLOV game}}. Deleting all uses seems to be incredibly muddleheaded, and the members of WP:WPSPAM (who initially suggested this nom) didn't bring the issue up with WP:VG first as they probably should. Barely any advertising on the site, so even the CoI issue is small: interlinking of sites for the purposes of sharing useful information is '''why''' we have external links. --] 18:39, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
	**'''Comment''' I'm not familiar with KLOV, but neither imdb.com nor allmusic.com are wikis. Allmusic in particular retains complete editorial control over its entries. (I know this because I've tried unsuccessfully to get things changed.) So both of those websites are inherently more reliable and linkworthy than mobygames. --] 18:48, 9 June 2007 (UTC)		**'''Comment''' I'm not familiar with KLOV, but neither imdb.com nor allmusic.com are wikis. Allmusic in particular retains complete editorial control over its entries. (I know this because I've tried unsuccessfully to get things changed.) So both of those websites are inherently more reliable and linkworthy than mobygames. --] 18:48, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
			*** Well, MobyGames is not a wiki either. MobyGames is a database based on user-contributed information, ''exactly'' like IMDB. MobyGames ''likewise'' maintains the ultimate editorial control over the user-submitted content; I know because I've tried submitting cover scans and screenshots and they're ''very'' picky. And, being based on user submissions, ''both'' sites have factual quality issues (Ye gods, lock me in a mental institution if I ever wander anywhere near the trivia sections in IMDB) - but you can ''usually'' trust Moby cover scans and screenshots to not be doctored. =) --'']'' (]/]) 20:27, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
	:'''Keep'''. Because I actually use it. --] 19:20, 9 June 2007 (UTC)		:'''Keep'''. Because I actually use it. --] 19:20, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
	* '''Delete''' both templates. There are 6490 mobygames.com external links on Misplaced Pages and there is strong evidence to suggest that more than 4000 of those were added by the ] cofounder. This is a serious ] abuse that was allowed to happen because of the stealth nature of the template and the ] of the ] community. The blanket spamming of mobygames.com is also a violation of ], ], and ]. Deletion of these templates will prevent future abuse. (] 20:00, 9 June 2007 (UTC))		* '''Delete''' both templates. There are 6490 mobygames.com external links on Misplaced Pages and there is strong evidence to suggest that more than 4000 of those were added by the ] cofounder. This is a serious ] abuse that was allowed to happen because of the stealth nature of the template and the ] of the ] community. The blanket spamming of mobygames.com is also a violation of ], ], and ]. Deletion of these templates will prevent future abuse. (] 20:00, 9 June 2007 (UTC))
	:'''Delete''' I don't see why we really need such a tiny template. Why can't it just be typed out? The Ohio Townships wikiproject recommends that a section with specific wording (seen ]) be placed on virtually every township article, but we don't need a template for that, even though it's a lot longer. Delete because it's such a small bit of text that can easily be copied and pasted in. ] 20:04, 9 June 2007 (UTC)		:'''Delete''' I don't see why we really need such a tiny template. Why can't it just be typed out? The Ohio Townships wikiproject recommends that a section with specific wording (seen ]) be placed on virtually every township article, but we don't need a template for that, even though it's a lot longer. Delete because it's such a small bit of text that can easily be copied and pasted in. ] 20:04, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
			:: Basically, these templates are handy in maintaining consistent external linking appearance: "'''' in ]" instead of "" in every other article. --'']'' (]/]) 20:27, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

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Template:Welcomeip

WP:BITE (starts with whining about having no username, then jumps straight to complicated policies, and then finally one link to a tutorial), and redundant to Template:Welcome-anon.. Sala Skan 19:09, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

Template:London stations live

Unusued and superseded by Template:Infobox London station. — Regan123 18:12, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

Delete as is unused and redundant. Pit-yacker 20:20, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

Template:The Surreal Life series

basically a redundant list of cast members who appeared on the series that is already served by the main page and categories. This template has been copied over to all former cast members, despite the show being limited run and for the most part, a small/lesser-important part of their careers and the template makes it seem that it is the most important project they've ever done. — Biggspowd 14:49, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

delete per nom.--James, La gloria è a dio 17:03, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

Template:Spoiler-about

Redundant to Template:Spoiler and functionality should be merged there as well. We don't need all of these variations. --Farix (Talk) 14:37, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

Comment Is this going to be so controversial? Can't you just Prod them and be done and over in five days. Evilclown93 15:11, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
AFAIK, Templates aren't subject to the Prod process. --Farix (Talk) 15:17, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
Delete. Redundant. Herostratus 15:16, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
Merge extra functionality to Template:Spoiler, then either delete or redirect this one.--Fyre2387 15:58, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
What extra functionality? An article should ideally only contain spoilers about its own subject. 81.104.175.145 16:33, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
Generally speaking, that's true, but there may be occasional scenarios where more specificity is desired, and there's no reason the extra function need interfere with normal use.--Fyre2387 16:48, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
If more specificity is required, then either the article needs work or we fall back to our default position of "there are things in Misplaced Pages that may eat your babies or cause your head to explode". Misplaced Pages is not censored for the protection of weak, fragile minds who haven't seen the last week's Battlestar yet. Currently, it is used on 1 article (and lots of userpages, where perhaps it can be subst'd), Silent Hill 2. In this instance, it refers forward to allusions made in Silent Hill 4. This information shouldn't be in the former article in the form it's in now, but it certainly should be in the latter. Of course, there will be people who have played SH4 but not SH2, but that's another matter. 81.104.175.145 16:58, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
Merge and add functionality per my comments at Template talk:Spoiler#Merging spoiler-about. -- Ned Scott 19:16, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
- When I originally reviewed the use of {{spoiler-about}}, in every case, it was either redundant to the section heading or {{spoiler}} could have easily been used in its place. I would say that the functionality isn't really needed in the long run. --Farix (Talk) 19:56, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

Template:Spoiler-other

Unused and redundant to Template:Spoiler. We don't need all of these variations. --Farix (Talk) 14:35, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

Comment Is this going to be so controversial? Can't you just Prod them and be done and over in five days. Evilclown93 15:11, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
AFAIK, Templates aren't subject to the Prod process. --Farix (Talk) 15:18, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
Delete. Redundant. Herostratus 15:17, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
Delete too much text replacement. -- Ned Scott 19:17, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

Template:Spoiler-ending

Unused and redundant to Template:Spoiler. We don't need all of these variations. --Farix (Talk) 14:35, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

Comment Is this going to be so controversial? Can't you just Prod them and be done and over in five days. Evilclown93 15:11, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
AFAIK, Templates aren't subject to the Prod process. --Farix (Talk) 15:18, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
Delete. Redundant. Herostratus 15:16, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
Delete. redundant and apparently unused. -- Ned Scott 19:19, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

Template:Derby

Seemingly-meaningless collection of links, which includes a couple of villages, one or two suburbs, and some London links. 81.104.175.145 14:17, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

Merge with Template:Suburbs of Derby. I have tidied it up a bit but there appears to be a lot of duplication with the suburbs of Derby template. Pit-yacker 17:56, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

Template:Settlements on the A38

Somewhat indiscriminate collection, not well-defined, doesn't suggest whether it deals with settlements directly on the road, settlements near the road, settlements bypassed by the road, etc. Generally, not a useful unifying characteristic for a navbox. — 81.104.175.145 13:20, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

Also, for the same reasons, but also redundancy:

Template:Yearcat1

Unused. Was one use. Replaced by {{Decade category header}} — ChoChoPK (球球PK) (talk | contrib) 12:19, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

Comment This TFD is related to the one below. --ChoChoPK (球球PK) (talk | contrib) 12:19, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

Template:Category1900sheader

Delete totally per nom. I also replaced all instances of the templates in question with the generic one. --ChoChoPK (球球PK) (talk | contrib) 12:15, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

Comment This TFD is related to the one above. --ChoChoPK (球球PK) (talk | contrib) 12:19, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

Template:United States Squad 1992 Summer Olympics

Significant consensus against all national squad templates except for World Cups. Neier 07:26, 9 June 2007 (UTC) Also adding:

Delete all - Some other recent TFD results can be seen at this page - Neier 07:26, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
Delete all - Will these things never go away! Daemonic Kangaroo 07:33, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
Remove from articles then delete I happen to agree with the consensus and the precedence. A player often participate multiple games. If we were to have a template for each game x country pair, we would have thousands of templates with much overlaps. --ChoChoPK (球球PK) (talk | contrib) 12:15, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

Template:Amazon.com item

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the template below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the template's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was Speedy Delete (G7 - Author Request). I brought this template into this world, and I can take it out. :) Considering the fact that community consensus confirms my own doubts about it, I'll just go ahead and delete it. EVula // talk // ☯ // 17:41, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

This template adds a link to the page at amazon.com where an item can be purchased. Per WP's policy on links normally to be avoided links to sites which primarily exist to sell products or services are disfavored. Amazon.com is not a reliable source, and people are generally aware of it, so there's no need to link it from articles. Additionally, this template is only used in 9 articles despite being 9 months old, indicating that it would not be missed if it were deleted.-— Butseriouslyfolks 06:53, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

Delete It is also spamming products which is a violation of WP:SPAM. I also agree that it certainly wouldn't be missed! Booksworm 08:04, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
Strong Delete - Isn't Misplaced Pages:ISBN good enough? Neier 08:33, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
Remove from articles then delete Misplaced Pages:ISBN is enough. And if you really want, you can follow the google link there, which can lead you to multiple online bookstores. --ChoChoPK (球球PK) (talk | contrib) 12:15, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
Delete - redundant and WP:SPAMy. JoeSmack 12:33, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
Heh Can't say as I'm surprised about this... I only created it due to a request for it, but even then, I had some doubts... EVula // talk // ☯ // 14:34, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
Purge all instances - definitely spammy in nature, not useful as a template. EVula, I understand, don't worry about it. Nihiltres 15:06, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
Delete and purge, basically spam. Enhancing one's purchasing experience is not what we are about. Herostratus 15:23, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the template's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.

Template:Infobox London

Delete or redirect Was one use. Properly replaced. Possibly turning into a redirect due to a large number of links into it. (user talk pages mostly) ChoChoPK (球球PK) (talk | contrib) 06:35, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
Comment, ¿Weak? keep - While it is a one use template, it also keeps a massive amount of code from the wikitext of a high-profile page when used. As such, it's probably useful. Nihiltres 06:50, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
Delete. Last time I checked, "hides ugly code" was not a valid reason for single-use templates. 81.104.175.145 13:23, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
- Considering that sections of an article are often spun off into their own articles to keep the article size down, in this case it could be considered a valid rationale. EVula // talk // ☯ // 14:55, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
Delete per nom. This deletion will not change how the London article is viewed. Just where the parameter names are. It is better to actually have the parameter field names (which are not really code; the code is at {{Infobox Settlement}}) inside of the article itself. It is easier for an novice editor to edit to that way. —MJCdetroit 18:26, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
Comment Sounds like a job for the table namespace. -- Ned Scott 19:22, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

Template:Moby developer

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Templates used for the sole purposes of systematic COI spamming. See WT:WPSPAM#mobygames.com and WP:COIN#MobyGames/ Flipkin for more discussion, which explains it better than I can. The latter has had a prior TFD at Misplaced Pages:Templates for deletion/Log/2006 November 27#Template:Moby game. WP:CVG's endorsement of this template does not override WP:EL and Misplaced Pages is not a vehicle for self-promotion. MER-C 06:01, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

Delete WP is not a soapbox.--James, La gloria è a dio 06:15, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
Strong Delete as to game, Delete as to developer. As to both, mobygames.com is a wiki-type site, so it fails WP:RS. I'm sure people looking for games or game developers will stumble across mobygames through google, so there's no need to link articles here to their counterparts on mobygames. I am particularly troubled by the game links, as they not only direct users to ad-laden pages, but they also have links to purchase the items. While mobygame users may not consider the site one that "primarily exist to sell products or services", I bet its owner does, and I would think there's a huge amount of revenue going into his pocket generated by these spammy links. So these links fit criteria #4 in the list of links normally to be avoided. The fact that the owner of the mobygames site is involved in propagating the template is just icing on the cake. --Butseriouslyfolks 06:41, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
Strong Delete Although some links to MobyGames are ok, these templates have been used to spam thousands of WP pages by a few individuals including with strong COI. Deleting these templates and allowing existing edits to link where appropriate is the best way forward for everyone. --BozMo talk 06:46, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
Keep because it's not used solely for CoI spam. Excuse me, I don't quite follow. The links to MobyGames are okay but a convenience template isn't? How exactly, then, will deleting a template help get rid of the spam? How exactly does it not inconvenience people who use the template legitimately? I feel this is a wrong solution to a problem that could only be solved by adding a new checkbox to the edit form that says "I solemnly swear these external links don't violate CoI and are absolutely not spam" Get mobygames.com to the spam blacklist first, then we can discuss deleting this template. --wwwwolf (barks/growls) 08:29, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
Delete - these templates definitely lights up WP:EL#Links_normally_to_be_avoided, WP:SPAM and WP:COI. They need to be deleted. JoeSmack 12:31, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
Delete. These URLs are rather redundant as the content (platform, release info etc.) within these links is readily available from our video game infobox (see {{Infobox CVG}}). Combination 14:24, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
Keep. Very useful/informative site, due to relational database backend, and extensive references and screenshots for most games (see http://www.mobygames.com/game/doom/ vs Doom). Template/site is equivalent to {{imdb}} or {{amg}} or {{KLOV game}}. Deleting all uses seems to be incredibly muddleheaded, and the members of WP:WPSPAM (who initially suggested this nom) didn't bring the issue up with WP:VG first as they probably should. Barely any advertising on the site, so even the CoI issue is small: interlinking of sites for the purposes of sharing useful information is why we have external links. --Quiddity 18:39, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
- Comment I'm not familiar with KLOV, but neither imdb.com nor allmusic.com are wikis. Allmusic in particular retains complete editorial control over its entries. (I know this because I've tried unsuccessfully to get things changed.) So both of those websites are inherently more reliable and linkworthy than mobygames. --Butseriouslyfolks 18:48, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
  - Well, MobyGames is not a wiki either. MobyGames is a database based on user-contributed information, exactly like IMDB. MobyGames likewise maintains the ultimate editorial control over the user-submitted content; I know because I've tried submitting cover scans and screenshots and they're very picky. And, being based on user submissions, both sites have factual quality issues (Ye gods, lock me in a mental institution if I ever wander anywhere near the trivia sections in IMDB) - but you can usually trust Moby cover scans and screenshots to not be doctored. =) --wwwwolf (barks/growls) 20:27, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

Keep. Because I actually use it. --HanzoHattori 19:20, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

Delete both templates. There are 6490 mobygames.com external links on Misplaced Pages and there is strong evidence to suggest that more than 4000 of those were added by the MobyGames cofounder. This is a serious WP:COI abuse that was allowed to happen because of the stealth nature of the template and the WP:AGF of the WP:VG community. The blanket spamming of mobygames.com is also a violation of WP:EL, WP:NOT, and WP:SPAM. Deletion of these templates will prevent future abuse. (Requestion 20:00, 9 June 2007 (UTC))

Delete I don't see why we really need such a tiny template. Why can't it just be typed out? The Ohio Townships wikiproject recommends that a section with specific wording (seen here) be placed on virtually every township article, but we don't need a template for that, even though it's a lot longer. Delete because it's such a small bit of text that can easily be copied and pasted in. Nyttend 20:04, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

Basically, these templates are handy in maintaining consistent external linking appearance: "Game Name in MobyGames" instead of "Game Name in Moby!!!!!!1!" in every other article. --wwwwolf (barks/growls) 20:27, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

Subpages of template redirect

Orpahed, unsued template subpages, which the parents now redirect to Template:Infobox Settlement, except the last two, which the parents don't exist. — ChoChoPK (球球PK) (talk | contrib) 05:44, 9 June 2007 (UTC)