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| ::::::Where has Digwuren "repeatedly tried to remove any association with Nazi Germany from this article"? He rewrote the lead - and removed more then dubious claim. We have one source stating it has SS symbols, other that it doesn't. I don't know if they existed previously or not, but it is a fact that they are not present in a current statue - see yourself, if you don't believe me. So please stop inserting this claim - especially since you fail to insert info from the , which would have made it at least NPOV claim. Oh, and since you insist using threats, consider it a first warning. ] 05:51, 9 June 2007 (UTC) | ::::::Where has Digwuren "repeatedly tried to remove any association with Nazi Germany from this article"? He rewrote the lead - and removed more then dubious claim. We have one source stating it has SS symbols, other that it doesn't. I don't know if they existed previously or not, but it is a fact that they are not present in a current statue - see yourself, if you don't believe me. So please stop inserting this claim - especially since you fail to insert info from the , which would have made it at least NPOV claim. Oh, and since you insist using threats, consider it a first warning. ] 05:51, 9 June 2007 (UTC) | ||
| ::::::: Thank you for photo. Unfortunately it is quite useless. It clearly shows the '''left''' collar and right collar is somewhat shadowed, but one can see there's something on it. SS insignia had been worn on ], so it is still quite possible that they're on the figure. Also you wrote "since you insist using threats, consider it a first warning". That sounds especially nice, taking into account your message on my IP's talk page. This warning is 2nd from you. Not that it matter too much. Regarding your NPOV claim. Again, this is a bit of black humor to read NPOV accusations from you after you repeated mention of Waffen SS, but, being a nice guy, I stuck to your source about SS insignia being removed this time around. Are you happy now? ] 13:15, 11 June 2007 (UTC) | ::::::: Thank you for photo. Unfortunately it is quite useless. It clearly shows the '''left''' collar and right collar is somewhat shadowed, but one can see there's something on it. SS insignia had been worn on ], so it is still quite possible that they're on the figure. Also you wrote "since you insist using threats, consider it a first warning". That sounds especially nice, taking into account your message on my IP's talk page. This warning is 2nd from you. Not that it matter too much. Regarding your NPOV claim. Again, this is a bit of black humor to read NPOV accusations from you after you repeated mention of Waffen SS, but, being a nice guy, I stuck to your source about SS insignia being removed this time around. Are you happy now? ] 13:15, 11 June 2007 (UTC) | ||
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References to German Army (instead of Waffen SS) uniform
Source clearly mentions that monument "showed a soldier in a German uniform with a Waffen-SS (combat SS) unit emblem". But, since source mentions that "The monument... depicts a soldier in a German infantry uniform... This time, however, the SS references on the soldier's uniform were removed." Since these articles are from the same website, I kept both versions in article. DLX, please stop removing references to legitimate sources, even if their reporting is out of sync with your convictions. 206.186.8.130 15:02, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
- Please stay civil. Those emblems were removed, see :
| “ | This time, however, the SS references on the soldier's uniform were removed. | ” |
So, it is obvious that Monument of Lihula, in fact, does not have SS emblems. So, I will remove that claim again. Unless you can find a source stating that they were re-added, please don't put misleading material to the article. If you want, describe it thoroughly - "when in Pärnu, monument had SS symbolics, but those were removed". DLX 16:48, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
- Please try not to lecture others when you are involved in selective use of sources bordering on POV. TIA. Same source "Baltic Times" has two conflicting articles. One of which is clearly saying that SS insignia was on memorial. Unless you provide independent confirmation that insignia had been removed, I'll keep adding both references. 206.186.8.130 19:10, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
- They were never removed, because there were no such insignia in the first place. It was a clear intention by the sculptor, and has been widely reported in the media. If Baltic Times claims otherwise, it is in error. Digwuren 19:37, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
- I guess we have a choice to believe Baltic Times or user Digwuren, who repeatedly tries to remove any association with Nazi Germany from this article. Would you be so kind to provide sources to support your POV, please? Until then I'll restore article to mention SS insignia. Consider this 1st warning. 206.186.8.130 21:09, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
- Where has Digwuren "repeatedly tried to remove any association with Nazi Germany from this article"? He rewrote the lead - and removed more then dubious claim. We have one source stating it has SS symbols, other that it doesn't. I don't know if they existed previously or not, but it is a fact that they are not present in a current statue - see this photo yourself, if you don't believe me. So please stop inserting this claim - especially since you fail to insert info from the other article, which would have made it at least NPOV claim. Oh, and since you insist using threats, consider it a first warning. DLX 05:51, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
- Thank you for photo. Unfortunately it is quite useless. It clearly shows the left collar and right collar is somewhat shadowed, but one can see there's something on it. SS insignia had been worn on |right collar, so it is still quite possible that they're on the figure. Also you wrote "since you insist using threats, consider it a first warning". That sounds especially nice, taking into account your message on my IP's talk page. This warning is 2nd from you. Not that it matter too much. Regarding your NPOV claim. Again, this is a bit of black humor to read NPOV accusations from you after you repeated mention of Waffen SS, but, being a nice guy, I stuck to your source about SS insignia being removed this time around. Are you happy now? 206.186.8.130 13:15, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
- Dear Digwuren, could you share your reasons for starting edit war insetad of issuing threats on IP's talk page? TIA206.186.8.130 15:21, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
- Thank you for photo. Unfortunately it is quite useless. It clearly shows the left collar and right collar is somewhat shadowed, but one can see there's something on it. SS insignia had been worn on |right collar, so it is still quite possible that they're on the figure. Also you wrote "since you insist using threats, consider it a first warning". That sounds especially nice, taking into account your message on my IP's talk page. This warning is 2nd from you. Not that it matter too much. Regarding your NPOV claim. Again, this is a bit of black humor to read NPOV accusations from you after you repeated mention of Waffen SS, but, being a nice guy, I stuck to your source about SS insignia being removed this time around. Are you happy now? 206.186.8.130 13:15, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
- Where has Digwuren "repeatedly tried to remove any association with Nazi Germany from this article"? He rewrote the lead - and removed more then dubious claim. We have one source stating it has SS symbols, other that it doesn't. I don't know if they existed previously or not, but it is a fact that they are not present in a current statue - see this photo yourself, if you don't believe me. So please stop inserting this claim - especially since you fail to insert info from the other article, which would have made it at least NPOV claim. Oh, and since you insist using threats, consider it a first warning. DLX 05:51, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
- I guess we have a choice to believe Baltic Times or user Digwuren, who repeatedly tries to remove any association with Nazi Germany from this article. Would you be so kind to provide sources to support your POV, please? Until then I'll restore article to mention SS insignia. Consider this 1st warning. 206.186.8.130 21:09, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
- They were never removed, because there were no such insignia in the first place. It was a clear intention by the sculptor, and has been widely reported in the media. If Baltic Times claims otherwise, it is in error. Digwuren 19:37, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
- Please try not to lecture others when you are involved in selective use of sources bordering on POV. TIA. Same source "Baltic Times" has two conflicting articles. One of which is clearly saying that SS insignia was on memorial. Unless you provide independent confirmation that insignia had been removed, I'll keep adding both references. 206.186.8.130 19:10, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
References to Wiesenthal Center Condemnation
Source clearly mentions condemnation of Wiesenthal Center. 206.186.8.130 15:02, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
- Please refer to sources by link, not number - latter can and will change. DLX 16:51, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
Not a good article
Needs more sources, better image, in-depth description of controversy (what organisations protested? Individuals?). Section/separate article about the controversial views about WW2 in Estonia (I removed the section "A Question Handling Attitudes towards History", as it was in bad English and didn't point to any sources). --DLX 08:33, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
However, the Estonians in German Army had fought for their fatherland and had not been involved in war crimes.
Commission concludes that the Estonian Legion and a number of Estonian police battalions were actively involved in the rounding up and shooting of Jews in at least one town in Belarus (Nowogródek); in guard duties in at least four towns in Poland (¸ódê, Przemysl, Rzeszow, and Tarnopol); in guard duties at a number of camps in Estonia and elsewhere; and in the deportation to Germany of an unknown number of civilians from Belarus and Poland. ............................................... The Commission has reviewed the role of Estonian military units and police battalions in n effort to identify the specific units which took part in the following actions: 1) escorting Jews deported from Vilnius to camps in Estonia. 2) providing guards for the Vaivara camp complex, the camps at Tartu, Jägala, Tallinn, and camps for Soviet POWs, in all of which prisoners were killed. 3) guarding the transit camp for Jews at Izbica in Poland, where a significant number of Jews were killed. 4) providing guards to prevent the escape of Jews being rounded up in several towns in Poland, including ¸ódê, Przemysl, Rzeszow, and Tarnopol. 5) the roundup and mass shooting of the Jewish population of at least one town in Belarus (Nowogródek).
--Mkjell 17:04, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
"The Security Police were called in..."
That´s incorrect. Security police is not handeling protests, they´re "white collar" section of Estonian police. More information: http://kapo.ee/eng_yldinfo.html
What the author probably wanted to say is "The riot police were called in", details: http://www.baltictimes.com/news/articles/10835/
Where are the dates?
This article has very little dates. Is this intentional?--Alexia Death 09:29, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
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