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"Yes, this is still the talk page of Hornetman16, I just cleaned it up so it wasn't so cluttered."-- Hornetman16 02:45, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

The Image

Hornetman16: from one Christian to another, you really need to another you really need to get a cool head about this issue of the image. I agree with your personal objection, however you need to realize that it is simply a personal objection. You're sounding like a ranting child. I'm sure that you're much more mature then that, but at the moment, you're not really showing it all that well. Take a moment, pray about how your witness is being displayed to these people. You're not showing a righteous indignation. You're just throwing a tantrum. And your user page very clearly displays your faith, however your action simply makes you appear to be a religious nut instead of a man filled with the fruits of the spirit. Look'em up and check your spirit on this issue. Just my thoughts. Blessings Tiggerjay 05:54, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

You're right but it's not just a matter of my personal objection (that picture's gotten me in trouble with my mom because I'm 16 if you know what I mean) it's also a matter that God's telling I should get it deleted!-- Hornetman16 06:06, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

Fair enough, but there is probably a better way to go about it. :) Tiggerjay 06:12, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

HOW?!-- Hornetman16 06:14, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

Please note that I am also a Christian (albeit a more liberal one), and understand your moral objections. However, even Christians may disagree on details that may both agree with the Bible, and your method of trying to show me your side of the debate is getting extremely tiresome. —Kurykh 06:21, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

What do I need to do to get it deleted?-- Hornetman16 06:27, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

You need to convince the community, calmly and rationally, and without alluding to religious belief, that the image should be deleted. And from my point of view, this image shouldn't be deleted, as I really cannot see a religious objection to the picture, only a moral one. Morality and religion are not always one and the same. However, let us leave out that discussion for a more proper place. But do follow the advice as laid out in the first sentence. —Kurykh 06:32, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the advise, I'll see if I find a way to use it.-- Hornetman16 06:35, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

You're welcome. And it is interesting to note that I was born in the same year as you. —Kurykh 06:37, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

Please read WP:NLT. Legal threats will get you blocked. Corvus cornix 06:39, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

Read my Talk Page archive and you'll see that they already told me!-- Hornetman16 06:55, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

And yet you choose to ignore it. That's not very smart. Please step up your act, or you will be blocked for disruption. Riana (talk) 07:05, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

Another thing - your userpage reveals considerable personal information about yourself. As a minor, you should be more careful. If you like, I can delete it for you and you can start from scratch with less revealing information. Riana (talk) 07:06, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

Two things:1.I did list I calmed down after words just look at the time stamps. 2.I like my user page the way it is!-- Hornetman16 17:26, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

Hornetman16 - While I believe you are well intentioned, I think you may need to recheck yourself. Please spend some time checking out Michelangelo which has done plenty of art for the church. Plenty of nudes and images of children. I'm certain that you will find plenty of his books, along with other nude and even nude children pictures at your local bookstore - perhaps even at your high school. I'm not certain you can describe for me the difference between these nude images in the books and this image in question. Tiggerjay 19:00, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

That's Not Child porn because it's not a real child!-- Hornetman16 19:10, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

Hornetman16 -- we are all trying to help you out here, however you are as strong headed as those you oppose. Your failure to evaluate your motives and approach, along with your failure to understand the rules as they pertain to Misplaced Pages have put you in a very negative place with the admins; as evidenced by your current blocks. This strongheadedness will get you very little in life. Sit down, talk with your approach with your pastor, or youth pastor and then come back after church on Sunday. If your attitude hasn't changed, all of these people who are trying to help will likely write you off and the admins may extended longer or permanent blocks. Really, we're trying to help you. Tiggerjay 20:15, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

Then help me get that photo deleted!-- Hornetman16 20:19, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

Unfortunately, the opinions of one editor does not trump community consensus. If you truly want that imaged deleted, you will have to explain clearly, without making references to your personal opinion, religion, legality or family, why you believe it should be deleted. Be careful to avoid these arguments, while citing policies that can support you in your argument. I hope this gives you a bit more insight to how we handle deletion debates. ^demon 20:24, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

Your userpage

Hi Hornetman16, I've deleted your userpage. If you want to know why, I can send you a private e-mail, I'd rather not discuss the reasons too much in public. Please know that I am doing this with regards for your well-being, and no other reasons. Best regards, Riana (talk) 07:14, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

My parents okayedit and that's all that matter's now put it back!!!!-- Hornetman16 17:43, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

Your parents are not Misplaced Pages editors or admins and do not trump WP:NOT and WP:USER. --Coredesat 17:46, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

It's my userpage it was the way I want it. My parents have athourity over me more than any of you! NOW PUT IT BACK!!!!-- Hornetman16 17:48, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

No, they don't, actually. At least not on Misplaced Pages. —Kurykh 17:55, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

Despite that she didn't have my permission to delete it I want it put back!-- Hornetman16 17:58, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

"Everything is permissible" —but not everything is beneficial. "Everything is permissible" — but not everything is constructive. — 1 Corinthians 10:23 —Kurykh 18:25, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

• I spend days putting that userpage togeth to get it the way I want it. And they deleted it *crys*! All I want is it put back the way it was!!! I violated not rules *sobs* just put it back!-- Hornetman16 18:29, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
  • You can have it back with anything taken out that might put you or others in danger of being identified in real life. When you're of age, you can make decisions as to whether or not you want to give that information (though I'd recommend against it). While you're underage, it's just not allowed. ElinorD (talk) 18:34, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
  • It was done so for your safety. How about let me fix it up and then put it back up for you? It might take a few hours though... —Kurykh 18:35, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

Whatever just put it back *crys*!!!-- Hornetman16 18:37, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

So is that a yes? —Kurykh 18:39, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

OF COURSE.-- Hornetman16 18:40, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

Revealing a large amount of personal information on the internet is not something to be done without considering the consequences, especially when you are a minor. The internet is not a safe place. Sean William @ 19:15, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

I Considered it!--19:16, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

Blocked

I've blocked you for 12 hours for your continued incivility and disruption at the IFD. When the block expires, please come back with a cooler head. --Coredesat 19:11, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

I'm moraly right not Hot Headed!-- Hornetman16 19:13, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

Hornetman, while you're blocked, take a moment to checkout morality and understand that your morals are different that other people, cultures and religions. Misplaced Pages strives to be free from this form of bias. In some cultures, the fact that you eat bacon or hamburgers is morally wrong since they effectively worship the cow or pig. Tiggerjay 19:17, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

Coredesat, thank you - I'm in agreement with you. Not that you need kudos or strokes, it's nice to get positive feedback sometimes. :) Tiggerjay 19:17, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

Why don't you block big nole for personally attacking me!-- Hornetman16 19:19, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

I didn't personally attack you.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 19:20, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

Then What do you call it?-- Hornetman16 19:21, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

What exactly was a personal attack?  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 19:21, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

BTW - I'm adding the block boilerplate message here, so you know how to proceed if you wish to request unblock - Alison ☺ 19:22, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

TrueCRaysball (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))

Request reason:

They blocked me because I was fighting for what I believe, and what happened to free speach?

Decline reason:

First and foremost, you were blocked for being disruptive on the IFD page (making multiple "votes", making vague legal threats, et cetera). The block was instantiated to give you a bit of time to cool down, collect your thoughts, and attempt to return to civil discussion with us. I know you feel strongly about your parents and your religion, but on Misplaced Pages neither of those have any say-so in what we do. In regards to your userpage, we deleted it because it contained personally identifiable information which we feel is inappropriate for minors to post on the internet. I am currently working on clearing out the private information and will repost it soon. I suggest you calmly wait our your block (do not continually repost this template, or the blocks may increase in length), as it is only for 12 hours. All the best, ^demon 19:35, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

If you want to make any further unblock requests, please read the guide to appealing blocks first, then use the {{unblock}} template again. If you make too many unconvincing or disruptive unblock requests, you may be prevented from editing this page until your block has expired. Do not remove this unblock review while you are blocked.

As God as my witness I WILL get that photo deleted!!!-- Hornetman16 19:37, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

Also, could you at least reduce it cause 12 hours seems a bit extreme.-- Hornetman16 19:39, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages is a privately owned website, that is editable by the public. The US laws on free speech do not apply. --Deskana (talk) 19:44, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

Proof?-- Hornetman16 19:46, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

Fine, ignore my advice. You'll just get blocked again. That's the last time I try to help you. I don't much appreciate having my guidance thrown back in my face. --Deskana (talk) 19:48, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

I wasn't throwing it back in your face I just wanted proof the the US Constitution doesn't apply here. Sorry if I offended you.-- Hornetman16 19:51, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

As Misplaced Pages is privately owned by the Wikimedia Foundation, they do not have to allow the public to edit, nor do they have a legal obligation to let anyone say what they want. Free speech isn't a right on a privately owned website, as the decision to even let anyone edit is their choice. That's just a fact. --Deskana (talk) 19:55, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

If User:72.184.88.30 is you, you are not allowed to edit while blocked. Evading your block is grounds to have your block extended. --Deskana (talk) 19:56, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

I can't even edit my own userpage? That's ridiculous!-- Hornetman16 19:57, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

Those are the rules. --Deskana (talk) 19:59, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

That rule needs to change to where you can only edit your userpage when blocked.-- Hornetman16 20:01, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

You don't dictate policy. All this arguing that you're doing isn't painting you in a good light. --Deskana (talk) 20:02, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

(ec) I can't believe you just did that!! And you commented in the IfD again??? BTW - your IP block just got reset to 12 hours starting from now. Please don't do that again. - Alison ☺ 20:04, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

Your Userpage

Hi. I reposted your userpage as I said I would. I took the effort to clean out the personally identifiable information (last name, age, state you're from, what school you go to, email address, screen name). Basically the most anyone knows about you now is your first name, that you're from the US, and you're a teenage. I think this allows us to let you retain your personality without potentially endangering you. Please try to understand that we're doing it for your own safety. We don't want to do this kind of things, but we've had people on the site threatened in real life (just the other day in fact!) and we don't want to risk the same thing happening to someone who's younger. So take care, and let me know if I can do anything else for you. ^demon 19:49, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

Could you at least give me the link to my pictures that I uploaded since they're mine?-- Hornetman16 20:02, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

They've all been deleted. When I redid your userpage, I removed them since they were no longer existed and showed red links. ^demon 20:03, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

I wish You could make it to where I could edit my user page while blocked.-- Hornetman16 20:05, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

You can't keep asking different people until you get what you want. --Deskana (talk) 20:06, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

Unfortunately that's not possible. When a user is blocked, the only page they can edit is their own talkpage. We're not being mean, it's just how the software is written. ^demon 20:10, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

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