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:::Well, its bad faith because me and other editors have had problems with her. She's called us "anti-Islamic" (personal attack), threatened us for Arb-Com and all that stuff, all because I was determined to keep out a non-notable person's opinion she was trying to put in a certain article. So in the light of our interactions, its definitely bad faith. A lot of people including administrators have complained about SlimVirgin. --] <sup>(]•])</sup> 03:52, 30 June 2007 (UTC) :::Well, its bad faith because me and other editors have had problems with her. She's called us "anti-Islamic" (personal attack), threatened us for Arb-Com and all that stuff, all because I was determined to keep out a non-notable person's opinion she was trying to put in a certain article. So in the light of our interactions, its definitely bad faith. A lot of people including administrators have complained about SlimVirgin. --] <sup>(]•])</sup> 03:52, 30 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' per nom. SV makes a very convincing case. In addition, as Chip said, this strikes me as a POV magnet. ] 04:04, 30 June 2007 (UTC) *'''Delete''' per nom. SV makes a very convincing case. In addition, as Chip said, this strikes me as a POV magnet. ] 04:04, 30 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' Matt, soliciting meatpuppets from a off-site forum is against Misplaced Pages policy and guidelines.--] 04:08, 30 June 2007 (UTC) *<s>Delete</s> Matt, soliciting meatpuppets from a off-site forum is against Misplaced Pages policy and guidelines.--] 04:08, 30 June 2007 (UTC)
:What are you talking about? Where did I solicit meatpuppets? Are you listening to sock puppets? Remember my point #8, everyone. --] <sup>(]•])</sup> 04:18, 30 June 2007 (UTC) *:What are you talking about? Where did I solicit meatpuppets? Are you listening to sock puppets? Remember my point #8, everyone. --] <sup>(]•])</sup> 04:18, 30 June 2007 (UTC)
**"Vote" struck per WP:DENY. You need a better reason than parroting a personal attack made by a sockpuppet --] 05:56, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

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Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Islam/Islam and Controversy task force/Watchlist

This page reminds me of Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Islam:SIIEG, which was deleted in December 2005 for the same reason that I'm nominating this one. See its MfD here. My concern is that the page is being used to coordinate attacks on articles about Muslims and Islam. It was created two weeks ago by Matt57, who has caused considerable trouble on Islam articles. Some more information in this AN/I discussion. I've already had to protect one BLP today about a Muslim woman, Edina Lekovic, that was being poorly edited to contain criticism by Matt57 and other editors whose names show up in the Controversy task force watchlist; and Edina Lekovic was indeed added to that watchlist by Matt57 on June 27. I can see that this page could be used perfectly legitimately, but as things stand, I don't see much chance of that happening. SlimVirgin 00:43, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

  1. I'll just ask you one question: Since when was making watchlists against Misplaced Pages policy? I have my own here too: User:Matt57/watchlist. Please cite the policy which forbids making these watchlists.
  2. These watchlists are great tools (the watchlist I based this list on: WikiProject_Pedophilia Watchlist ) and have enabled me to revert vandalism, OR and other inappropriate edits very quickly (,,,, <-- these are just for today).
  3. That project SIIEG was not a watchlist page now was it? I cant see what it was all about so your reference didnt help at all.
  4. About Edina, its not an 'attack'. The woman was the managing editor of a Muslim magazine which praised Bin Laden as a brother. I was hoping you would be more patriotic to the country you live in.
  5. You're trying to use 2 irrelevant issues (my ANI and Edina's page) in trying to delete this watchlist. My recent ANI discussion has nothing to be do with this discussion. If you want to bring up my ANI, I'll link to your possible 3RR violation and where an editor accused you of making personal attacks today.
  6. A watchlist is only a specialized version of Recent Changes that utilized the Special:Recentchangeslinked function. This is just a tool. A tool like any other tool, can be used and misused. This is up to the user. If the tool is to be blamed, we should get rid of the main "Recent changes" link on the left too.
  7. Its clear that watchlists by themselves are not disallowed and are infact useful tools. If anyone supports deletion, my question to them is: At what point do these watchlists become illegitimate?
  8. If these watchlists are deleted, I will raise significant discussion on project pages to ask for the policy which disallows creating watchlist pages for selected articles.--Matt57 01:42, 30 June 2007 (UTC)
Even if there were a policy, would you follow it? I ask this considering your dismissal of the Biographies of Living Persons policy on the Edina page. Lekociv 02:02, 30 June 2007 (UTC)
There was no dismissal of policies there. It was you who violated policies by removing sourced text but since you're a new user, its okay. That issue is still under debate and is separate from this MfD. --Matt57 02:36, 30 June 2007 (UTC)
That was definitely not me. I feel someone else made this account to discredit my keep. Interesting. Whoever you are, please sign in. I think I have a good hunch whose sock puppet this was. --Matt57 01:53, 30 June 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep straw-man sock per Matt57. This page is severely needed for Matt and the team to keep fighting any and all Muslim[REDACTED] editors. We need to help them fight the Muslim jihadis here. Oneandonly666 02:57, 30 June 2007 (UTC)
What? Your the one that asked us to vote on the private section of the the forums. Delete the thread or don't mark us here. Check your PM's there. Cheers. Oneandonly666 03:26, 30 June 2007 (UTC)
I have no idea who you are or what you're talking about. --Matt57 03:33, 30 June 2007 (UTC)
Ahh ok. I get it now ;). Should've read your second post in the thread. Sorry mate. Oneandonly666 03:40, 30 June 2007 (UTC)
What are you talking about? Can you give a link? ^ Thats just the general link to the FFI forum. --Matt57 03:57, 30 June 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete. POV magnet. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cberlet (talk • contribs)
  • Keep -I don't see a problem with a watchlist. It isn't inherently disruptive. If it is being used to facilitate abusive editing, then just go after the editors themselves, not the list. Bladestorm 03:42, 30 June 2007 (UTC)
Completely agree. If a certain editor is giving problems, go after them, not their tools. This is a bad faith nomination by SlimVirgin. --Matt57 03:44, 30 June 2007 (UTC)
Uh... I wouldn't go so far as to call it "bad faith". Simply unnecessary. Bladestorm 03:46, 30 June 2007 (UTC)
Well, its bad faith because me and other editors have had problems with her. She's called us "anti-Islamic" (personal attack), threatened us for Arb-Com and all that stuff, all because I was determined to keep out a non-notable person's opinion she was trying to put in a certain article. So in the light of our interactions, its definitely bad faith. A lot of people including administrators have complained about SlimVirgin. --Matt57 03:52, 30 June 2007 (UTC)
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