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#last, regarding the rationale behind the illfated move. Is there any policy in WP prohibiting the use of the officially chosen name of an organisation, see above, as title for an article? | #last, regarding the rationale behind the illfated move. Is there any policy in WP prohibiting the use of the officially chosen name of an organisation, see above, as title for an article? | ||
Please can someone answer me those questions?<font color="green"> ]</font><sup><i><font color="blue"><small>]</small></font></i></sup> 10:27, 3 July 2007 (UTC) | Please can someone answer me those questions?<font color="green"> ]</font><sup><i><font color="blue"><small>]</small></font></i></sup> 10:27, 3 July 2007 (UTC) | ||
Dear Misplaced Pages admins- | |||
A few weeks ago, I wrote, "Even those few who benefit from the customer service on Misplaced Pages's apothegms fail to recognize their current manifestation as an impudent, childish form of despotism". In this letter, I'd like to follow up on that statement. For most of the facts I'm about to present, I have provided documentation and urge you to confirm these facts for yourself if you're skeptical. The primary point of disagreement between myself and the customer service on Misplaced Pages is whether or not it seizes every opportunity to seize control over where we eat, sleep, socialize, and associate with others. I cannot believe this colossal clownishness. Any sane person knows that the customer service on Misplaced Pages does not tolerate any view that differs from its own. Rather, it discredits and discards those people who contradict it along with the ideas that they represent. When a friend wants to drive inebriated, you try to stop him. Well, the customer service on Misplaced Pages is drunk with power, which is why we must remind it about the concept of truth in advertising. | |||
Perhaps if the customer service on Misplaced Pages thought about it, it'd realize that it wants to crush the will of all individuals who have expressed political and intellectual opposition to its scribblings. What does it think it is? I mean, somebody has to foster mutual understanding. That somebody can be you. In any case, the customer service on Misplaced Pages is guilty of at least one criminal offense. In addition, it frequently exhibits less formal criminal behavior, such as deliberate and even gleeful cruelty, explosive behavior, and a burning desire to assail all that is holy. If we reveal the truth about the customer service on Misplaced Pages's sentiments, then the sea of ruffianism, on which the customer service on Misplaced Pages so heavily relies, will begin to dry up. I can easily see the customer service on Misplaced Pages performing the following violent acts. First, it will destroy any resistance by channeling it into ineffective paths. Then, it will insist that our society be infested with wowserism, pessimism, emotionalism, and an impressive swarm of other "isms". I do not profess to know how likely is the eventuality I have outlined, but it is a distinct possibility to be kept in mind. | |||
If I had my druthers, the customer service on Misplaced Pages would never have had the opportunity to sell otherwise perfectly reasonable people the idée fixe that clever one-liners are a valid substitute for actual thinking. As it stands, all the deals the customer service on Misplaced Pages makes are strictly one-way. The customer service on Misplaced Pages gets all the rights, and the other party gets all the obligations. I have a dream, a mission, a set path that I would like to travel down. Specifically, my goal is to tell the customer service on Misplaced Pages what we all think of it -- and boy, do I have some choice words I'd like to use. Of course, it occasionally shows what appears to be warmth, joy, love, or compassion. You should realize, however, that these positive expressions are more feigned than experienced and invariably serve an ulterior motive, such as to promote lewd ideologies such as cameralism. When I was a child, my clergyman told me, "Unrestrained opportunism is the customer service on Misplaced Pages's quiddity." If you think about it you'll see his point. The customer service on Misplaced Pages's histrionics reflect an era in which cultures or attitudes different from one's own were dealt with through violence and mistrust. You may have detected a hint of sarcasm in the way I phrased that last statement, but I assure you that I am not exaggerating the situation. Even when the facts don't fit, the customer service on Misplaced Pages sometimes tries to use them anyway. It still maintains, for instance, that the world's salvation comes from whims, irrationality, and delusions. | |||
On the surface, it would seem merely that even if the customer service on Misplaced Pages is not conscious of the inner reason for its analects, it can't relate what it sees to any broader principle. But the truth is that if it opened its eyes, it'd realize that I firmly believe that we're all in this mess together. If the customer service on Misplaced Pages's plan to create an unwelcome climate for those of us who are striving to make technical preparations for the achievement of freedom and human independence is to be discouraged then the wisest course of action is to ensure that we survive and emerge triumphant out of the coming chaos and destruction. Before we start down that road I ought to remind you that it has a natural talent for complaining. It can find any aspect of life and whine about it for hours upon hours. To skewer me over a pit barbecue is an injustice. | |||
Is that such a difficult concept? The customer service on Misplaced Pages knows that performing an occasional act of charity will make some people forgive -- or at least overlook -- all of its execrable excesses. My take on the matter is that I've never bothered it. Yet it wants to pursue a twofold credo of charlatanism and alcoholism. Whatever happened to "live and let live"? The customer service on Misplaced Pages attributes the most distorted, bizarre, and ludicrous "meanings" to ordinary personality charcteristics. For example, if you're shy, it calls you "fearful and withdrawn". If, instead, you're the outgoing and active type, the customer service on Misplaced Pages says you're "acting out due to trauma". Why does it say such things? To help answer that question I will offer a single anecdote. A few weeks ago, I overheard some lackadaisical blusterer tell everyone who passed by that the few of us who complain regularly about the customer service on Misplaced Pages's methods of interpretation are simply spoiling the party. Astounded, I asked this person if he realized that the only thing protecting the people of this world from the customer service on Misplaced Pages's sexist, unprofessional bromides is our love of freedom and concern for justice. Not only was his answer "no" but it was also news to him that the customer service on Misplaced Pages's claim that people prefer "cultural integrity" and "multicultural sensitivity" to health, food, safety, and the opportunity to choose their own course through life is factually unsupported and politically motivated. | |||
If the customer service on Misplaced Pages continues to uproot our very heritage and pave the way for its own semi-intelligible value system, crime will escalate as schools deteriorate, corruption increases, and quality of life plummets. The customer service on Misplaced Pages says that it is the way, the truth, and the light. That is the most despicable lie I have ever heard in my entire life. I would like to put forth the possibility that the customer service on Misplaced Pages dreams of a time when they'll be free to issue a flood of bogus legal documents. That's the way it's planned it, and that's the way it'll happen -- not may happen, but will happen -- if we don't interfere, if we don't empower the oppressed to control their own lives. | |||
Let's understand one fundamental fact: The customer service on Misplaced Pages's hatchet men all have serious personal problems. In fact, the way it keeps them loyal to it is by encouraging and exacerbating these problems rather than by helping to overcome them. Here's the heart of the matter: I once managed to get the customer service on Misplaced Pages to agree that it wouldn't know a new idea if it hit it over the head. Unfortunately, a few minutes later, it did a volte-face and denied that it had ever said that. | |||
Some people consider the customer service on Misplaced Pages's paroxysms a necessary evil, but the truth is that it would be wrong to imply that the customer service on Misplaced Pages is involved in some kind of conspiracy to strip the world of conversation, friendship, and love. It would be wrong because its slogans are far beyond the conspiracy stage. Not only that, but that fact is simply inescapable to any thinking man or woman. "Thinking" is the key word in the previous sentence. Does the customer service on Misplaced Pages really know anything about the lamentations it claims to support? No, it doesn't. The customer service on Misplaced Pages doesn't want us to know about its plans to take away our sense of community and leave us morally adrift. Otherwise, we might do something about that. The customer service on Misplaced Pages focuses on feelings rather than facts. Sure, it attempts to twist and distort facts to justify its feelings but that just goes to show that the customer service on Misplaced Pages has been trying hard to protect what has become a lucrative racket for it. Unfortunately, that lucrative racket has a hard-to-overlook consequence: it will impact public policy for years to come eventually. | |||
While jaundiced reprobates claim to defend traditional values, they actually poke someone's eyes out. I commend to your earnest and philosophical consideration the customer service on Misplaced Pages's plan to destroy everything beautiful and good, and I'm not making that up! I proudly adopt this stand, to put it mildly. The customer service on Misplaced Pages's smear tactics always follow the same pattern. It puts the desired twist on the actual facts, ignores inconvenient facts, and invents as many new "facts" as necessary to convince us that it can change its censorious ways. I am not mistaken when I say that an organization that wants to get ahead should try to understand the long-range consequences of its actions. The customer service on Misplaced Pages has never had that faculty. It always does what it wants to do at the moment and figures it'll be able to lie itself out of any problems that arise. If the customer service on Misplaced Pages can't be reasoned out of its prejudices, it must be laughed out of them. If the customer service on Misplaced Pages can't be argued out of its selfishness, it must be shamed out of it. | |||
Moreover, I've heard of mutinous things like hooliganism and communism. But I've also heard of things like nonviolence, higher moralities, and treating all beings as ends in and of themselves -- ideas which the customer service on Misplaced Pages's ignorant, unthinking, uncontrollable brain is too small to understand. It is quite common today to hear people express themselves as follows: "Our problem -- and make no mistake about it, it is a severe predicament -- is that we currently lack the resources needed to discuss, openly and candidly, a vision for a harmonious, multiracial society." I can repeat with undiminished conviction something I said eons ago: If the customer service on Misplaced Pages continues to up the ante considerably, I will truly be obliged to do something about it. And you know me: I never neglect my obligations. Let me close by reminding you that the statements I made about the customer service on Misplaced Pages in this letter are in earnest. I will not equivocate. I will not excuse. I will not retreat a single inch. And I will be heard. | |||
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" Images"
How would you enter a image into Misplaced Pages? And how do you type in the proper components as to mkae the image seen alike any other posted?
- See Misplaced Pages:Images. If Misplaced Pages does not yet have a copy of the image, you need to upload it (link on the left sidebar). Once that's done, you insert the code into the article. Look at the source code of other articles to see how it's done. For example,
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gives you this:
YechielMan 21:43, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
I have something to add to this. A question, that is. I want to show this image on my user page, but since the outcome is different for every computer, I cannot just save the image and then upload it. Is there a way I can use or upload the image but still get the unique result? (You have to click the link to see the result. Then you can also refresh the page for a different result. Questions about all of this? Ask them.) Thanks. ---Signed By KoЯnfan71 (User Page—My Talk) 00:11, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
- No, you can't. Prodego 00:50, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
- OK, thanks. Man, that stinks. ---Signed By KoЯnfan71 (User Page—My Talk) 00:08, 1 July 2007 (UTC)
Ghost in the Shell: Stand Alone Complex
Ghost in the Shell: Stand Alone Complex is in Category:Anime films even though it's just a series, does anyone know how to fix this because it isn't possible to just edit away the category. Thanks, Jeffrey.Kleykamp 18:15, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
- No one wants to help? Jeffrey.Kleykamp 23:04, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
- The article includes some comparative discussion of the film, so Category:Anime films may still be appropriate. — RJH (talk) 22:22, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
- The category is there because it uses {{Infobox animanga/Movie}} for the movie Ghost in the Shell: S.A.C. Solid State Society. I've removed the box as outside the scope of that article. –Pomte 22:28, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
Requesting User Abu badali gets banned ASAP
The user Abu badali have had a long history of user harrassment by abusing fair use policies. He is well known for wikistalking and unfairly deleting images with absolutely no regard, please see here. Recently he has been following my edits and purposely deleting images and ignoring any fairuse rationale I have written down. He generally flags a page to "rm unnecessary unfree images". An example is the Image:ZhouXuanCDrelease.jpg removed from the Music of China page, which clearly have a rationale and a historical use. He is purposely avoiding any conversation. I believe this user should be immediately banned for
- Abusing any power, especially when has no administrative rights to begin with.
- Abusing the fair use policy by improperly making deletions with no regard.
- wikistalking
- He already has a lengthy history of negatively enforcing rules among a number of users.
- On his user page statements such as "Call me a stalker. It's fashionable now." and "Abu is targeting you" clearly demonstrate he has negative intentions and enjoy the harrassment for fun.
- He has shown no ability to differentiate between "decorations" and "historical context" for ANY article.
Benjwong 16:23, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
- User:Abu badali is already the subject of arbitration case on these exact issues. That would be the appropriate place for such a discussion. WilyD 16:27, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
- He needs to be banned indefinitely, as I believe there was such an attempt in March and May. For every edit he does, he is taking away massive contribution time from so many good users on wikipedia. Should I comment on that existing case or will someone start a new case? Benjwong 16:50, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
- The case appears to be in the evidence presentation phase right now - you may be able to submit evidence there. I doubt the arbcom would accept two cases on the same issue. WilyD 17:18, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
Number 1 does not follow - how can he abuse power when he has none... hbdragon88 06:26, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
- He is harrassing again. He removed all the images from the Chinese rock page. Yet the US Rock and roll page was fine was a picture of Elvis. This user is making biased edits or have ZERO ability to figure out what's important. Benjwong 17:43, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
- Personally I just want to say he is a major league a**hole, He ruins everything and does nothing but send people's stress levels through the roof. I WANT HIM banned permanently, this is unacceptable and if he continues to do this he can call my lawyers. Because I am not going to stand for this harrassment any longer.--Jack Cox 23:03, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
- Legal threats can get yourself banned, Jack. -- Ned Scott 23:07, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
- Quite. Abu badali is not an administrator, so can't abuse his powers. He seems to be trying to bring our image use in line with our policy. How tactfully he goes about it, I cannot say. Judging from his user page, he may not be approaching it in the most sensible way. But there's absolutely no doubt that what he's doing is correct. ElinorD (talk) 23:19, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
- The policy clearly states that an image with good rationale can be used. Otherwise, why are millions of users wasting hours trying to write a good fairuse rationale? People have good intentions. The problem is that the rules allow anyone to flag anything they want as "unnecessary" and start wiping articles clean. This borderlines vandalism and is decreasing the quality of the articles. Benjwong 02:33, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
- There are two parts: good rationale and good commentary. Fair use explicitly says that it must be the subject of "critical commentary". Abu badali is going after the second part of the policy. hbdragon88 06:34, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
- The policy clearly states that an image with good rationale can be used. Otherwise, why are millions of users wasting hours trying to write a good fairuse rationale? People have good intentions. The problem is that the rules allow anyone to flag anything they want as "unnecessary" and start wiping articles clean. This borderlines vandalism and is decreasing the quality of the articles. Benjwong 02:33, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
- Quite. Abu badali is not an administrator, so can't abuse his powers. He seems to be trying to bring our image use in line with our policy. How tactfully he goes about it, I cannot say. Judging from his user page, he may not be approaching it in the most sensible way. But there's absolutely no doubt that what he's doing is correct. ElinorD (talk) 23:19, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
- Legal threats can get yourself banned, Jack. -- Ned Scott 23:07, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
- Personally I just want to say he is a major league a**hole, He ruins everything and does nothing but send people's stress levels through the roof. I WANT HIM banned permanently, this is unacceptable and if he continues to do this he can call my lawyers. Because I am not going to stand for this harrassment any longer.--Jack Cox 23:03, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
- He is harrassing again. He removed all the images from the Chinese rock page. Yet the US Rock and roll page was fine was a picture of Elvis. This user is making biased edits or have ZERO ability to figure out what's important. Benjwong 17:43, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
Contrary to what Benjwong asserts, our policy does not state that any image with a good rationale can be used. A non-free image can only be used if it complies with all ten of our non-free content criteria. If an image isn't usable on Misplaced Pages (because it's replaceable, or competes with the copyright-holder), then there's absolutely no point in trying to write a good fair-use rationale. Good intentions are not enough. If Abu badali were making bad faith nominations, then that would be a problem. But I haven't seen many cases of him tagging an image for deletion, where there wasn't at least some legitimate reason to question whether the image conforms to our policy. For instance, in the case you mention in your complaint, the CD cover is only used in an article that does not mention that particular CD at all, thus failing criterion #8. Remember that Abu does not have the ability to delete images -- they will only be deleted if a an administrator feels that the image is in violation. – Quadell 13:19, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
Reverting Tags
Is everyone allowed to revert a Neutrality tag or does it require and Admin or some other person of weight to do so ? I am a novice. I wanted to remove the tag on the Angela Davis article but I did not do so. The tag has been removed but I am very curious as to how and why it happened Albion moonlight 18:30, 24 June 2007 (UTC).
- Anyone can remove neutrality tags or unreferenced tags or cleanup tags. These are simply flags for readers to caveat lector, and flags for editors to fix the problems. The only thing to do is to read through and make sure that the original concern has been resolved. There may also be discussion on the talk page.
- Adminship is no big deal. Generally, if you can do something on Misplaced Pages, you are allowed to do it. That's part of the intent of the policy to ignore all rules. Shalom 06:47, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
- I wouldn't go that far, Shalom. But yeah, anyone can remove tags, and should if they don't apply. – Quadell 14:26, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
Elevation profiles
Do people think Image:NY 52 profile.png is useful? (Please, no one currently involved comment; I'm trying to get people who aren't already opposed to everything I create.) --NE2 23:44, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
- Sure it's useful. It provides relevant information that could not be available to the encyclopedia any other way. A small thumbnailed image never killed anyone. Shalom 06:44, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
- Try a thinner line in a different colour (grey or black perhaps?). It would have been great as a proper 3D elevation map, but I can appreciate that they are hard work to create. Adrian M. H. 16:17, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
- Looks useful to me. – Quadell 13:38, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
Never ending discussion. Help needed
http://en.wikipedia.org/Talk:List_of_Virtual_Console_games_%28North_America%29 http://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia_talk:What_Wikipedia_is_not#Price_guide_.28again.29 The subject is whether or not the Wii Points should be removed from the VCNA article. One side thinks it turns the article into a "price guide" while the other side disagrees and thinks that the Wii Points are a valuable part of the article, considering what the article is about. Yes, I'm part of the argument, but this really has gone on too long. Whenever the article is unprotected, there's reverting all over the place. There's also people who are not being very civil, and who are accusing others of going against WikiPolicy here and there. The whole thing is a mess, and there is no way at this rate there will be any resolution. Serious help is needed to end this, and quick. By whatever means necessary. LN3000 08:28, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
- Wow. This belongs on WP:LAME. – Quadell 13:36, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
- Amen to that. Rahk E✘] 01:47, 30 June 2007 (UTC)
Image rendering
I changed the image (to The Thinker) on the intro box at Portal:Philosophy. It now has white space instead of background colour on three sides. It was a similar problem when I had it on the left hand side. I cannot see where the problem lies. Anyone have any ideas? --Alan Liefting 21:48, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
- Ah, the trouble is that you're using "thumbnail" for the image, and the "thumbnail" functionality doesn't allow the background color (purple) to show through. I changed Portal:Philosophy/Intro to use a <div> instead, and that fixed it (at least on my browser). – Quadell 13:33, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
- Thanks for that. I now remember that I was trying to give the image a border to make it look a little better. The background of the image and the background colour of the box need some sort of delineation. Is that possible to achieve? -- Alan Liefting 13:39, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
- Got a border now but it needs a bit of padding between the text and border. -- Alan Liefting 13:47, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
- Is this what you mean? – Quadell 14:01, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
- Close, but that has set me on the right track for what I want. Thanks for the help - hope I dont appear too pedantic. -- Alan Liefting 22:56, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
- Is this what you mean? – Quadell 14:01, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
Constructing a table.
Hello i have constructed a table in a sandbox on my user page. I cannot get the honours section to fit correctly though, can anyone help? thanks in advance Woodym555 13:38, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
- If you are referring to the Notable Managers table, that looks absolutely fine. Or are you referring to the incomplete code at the top of the page? Adrian M. H. 14:14, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
- It looks fine because I'd fixed it for him. :-) Done – Quadell 14:25, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
- Thankyou very much Quadell for fixing it, the incomplete bit is a blank template for other villa tables. Thanks again Woodym555 14:44, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
How to break a redirect
I have made a case for breaking the redirect from Neophyte to Newbie (at Talk:Newbie#"Neophyte" should not redirect here). But I don't know what is the best thing to do with the blank Neophyte once the redirect is broken. Advice? -- Rob C (Alarob) 16:15, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
- You should essentially define the word neophyte in an encyclopedic versus dictionary fashion. For example change the text #REDIRECT] to "Neophyte is a term used to describe...." "The word has been used since the 1400s..." You could include the examples you cited: "a newly created priest is a neophyte", "neophyte species", ect... You should probably circle back to other related terms such as "newbie" and novice, stating the differences in the terms (this is probably not something that a dictionary definition would include). As a related example, debutante does a good job of an encyclopedic presentation, you may wish to take some pointers from there. Hope this helps--DO11.10 17:09, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
- Another option would be to to move Newbie to Neophyte, and cover the modern term in one section. -- Petri Krohn 22:13, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
- Or move the existing page Neophyte (disambiguation) over Neophyte, and take down the dab notice on the top of Newbie. - BanyanTree 23:59, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
Need a template of handy links
Hello, does anyone know, off the top of his or her head, the name of one of those nifty templates that lists some of the most useful wikipedia style and policy links? I'm thinking of the kind of thing people put on their user pages all wrapped up in a neatly formatted box. I run across them all the time, but now that I want one, I can't find it. I'd like to link to one on my user page because people seem to think the list I made for myself might be useful for them and they like to copy it, even though a lot of the stuff is obscure and project-specific. I'm not sure why this bothers me, but it does. And I'd like to help people out with something a little more general. Thanks! Latr, Katr 04:44, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
- {{style}} perhaps? — RJH (talk) 22:18, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
- That's the ticket! Thanks! Latr, Katr 23:00, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
Syntax in English
Hello, Can you help me and give the english translation of the French wiki syntax
Thank you --Friendly, Kasos_fr 09:29, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
- Encadré Texte means Framed Text, and Dernières nouvelles means Latest News, if that's any help. --NJJ.Rocher 14:56, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
- thank you, but it does not help me. Try to translate in English the Top Right Frame of this French Article
--Friendly, Kasos_fr 18:35, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
- I found the syntax, thanks for help
Latest News 2007, May 4: Launch of Galaxy 17, a Spacebus 3000B3 ...
--Friendly, Kasos_fr 08:47, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
What about this spammer? (72.228.88.88)
Usually I thought I know hot to identify vandals and what to do. However, in the Paid to surf article, some IP user keeps on ignoring any edit summaries and reposting such statements as "tell your friends about it. It’s a win-win situation. It is very simple and easy to do". Nobody else noticed it, I was the only one who keeps deleting it. What is the procedure in this situation? Can it be considered an exception for the 3 revert rule, and I should revert it until I get to the final warning, and make that IP blocked? --V. Szabolcs 21:03, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
- Umm... I guess if it benefits Wikipdia, be bold and ignore all rules! Rahk E✘] 01:49, 30 June 2007 (UTC)
- Use the {{uw-spam}} series of templates to warn and, if they don't stop by {{uw-spam3}}, report them to be blocked. - BanyanTree 07:48, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
Wikitabs template
I have created a tabs template (with a different look than Navigation Tabs) that can be found here. I have used it on my user pages and I think it looks pretty good. Do you guys think it is ready for the template space? Sorry, I don't really know where to ask, so I came here. Thanks for reading! Rahk E✘] 01:59, 30 June 2007 (UTC)
Questionable Deletion
First of all, im a wiki newbie, so I have no idea where to post this. Additionally, the first time I posted it, I messed it up bad.
There was a fantastic page at http://en.wikipedia.org/DKP_%28Point_System%29 but now its gone. I checked the recommended for deletion list and saw talk about removing the Shroud DKP system page, but wasn't able to find anything about the removal of the main DKP page. DKP has been by players in nearly every MMO to date, and the article discussed the origins of the system, how it evolved through the years and games, and ending with discussion of the current systems. Its a shame to see the article gone. Was it ever scheduled for deletion?
- Mangojuice (talk · contribs) deleted it, as seen from the deletion log. You'll have to ask him about it. Rahk E✘] 13:32, 30 June 2007 (UTC)
- The log lists CSD#R1, so I assume that it must have been turned into a redirect whose target was subsequently deleted or moved. Adrian M. H. 16:23, 30 June 2007 (UTC)
- Found a few comments about the deletion on Mangojuice's page. Continuing the discussion there.
3 Revert rule
If I delete or replace a word that appears in 5 different places on one page of an article is that one revert or 5 reverts. Albion moonlight 09:00, 30 June 2007 (UTC)
- It depends on whether you're reverting or not! ;) Rahk E✘] 13:33, 30 June 2007 (UTC)
- And whether you do it all at once or revert them one at a time. Some guy 15:43, 30 June 2007 (UTC)
hidden diffs
The sideways-scrolling diffs have windows which are hiding text, rather than only hiding overly wide material. I've also seen diffs which seemed to have no changes, but maybe that was a side effect of trying to read crosssideways. How are the sideways diffs supposed to be used? (SEWilco 21:25, 1 July 2007 (UTC))
- I might be wrong, but I believe the 'sideways-scrolling diffs ' your talking about are caused by long and unwrapping URL's or something similar forcing it to just keep going wide. As for the Diffs that 'seemed to have no changes' ... that happens when you remove an EXTRA space from it... very difficult to notice ... but USUALLY the cause Exit2DOS2000 22:05, 1 July 2007 (UTC)
- But the text within the diff boxes tends to be wider than the window, so the content of the text columns is no longer visible. Could the long words/URLs be isolated to separate display lines for the purpose of the scroll window? (SEWilco 03:17, 2 July 2007 (UTC))
Archiving other users' talk pages
Is it OK to archive another user's talk page? Her talk page is over 60 topics from 2005-07 and she hasn't been active since last April. Right now she is only getting spam messages from orphan bots and a single WikiProject she was once part of (newsletters). (The other WikiProject she's a member of, has her name on their Inactive list.) The orphan bots leave messages about fair use images that are about to be deleted, the ones she uploaded during the period that she was active. I'd like to archive the page because my username is on it- and I've posted the message a long time ago. Chantessy 14:09, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
- If the user is active, it would be considered impolite. But anyone can edit any Misplaced Pages page (unless it's protected). Be bold! If the user comes back and doesn't like your change, she can revert it. – Quadell 20:37, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
- In the circumstance it sounds like it would be reasonable. ---J.S (T/C/WRE) 20:47, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
- Thanks. The user is inactive. Chantessy 00:35, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
Survy for a Disertation
a Graduate student at the University of Manchester is doing a survey for a dissertation relating to Wikis. Anyone who is interested is invited to participate here: http://www.surveyconsole.com/console/TakeSurvey?id=362152 ---J.S (T/C/WRE) 20:19, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
Editing to increase server speed
I seem to remember reading several months ago a guideline that edits should not be made to a page for no other reason than to increase the speed of the Misplaced Pages servers or reduce the load on the server. Does such a guideline exist and if so could someone point me to where I could find it? Thanks. VerruckteDan 23:11, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
Renaming an article without prior debate
<copied from AN/I in light of identical case> The article A.R.S.R. "Skadi", about a rowing club, was moved to Algemene Rotterdamse Studenten Roeivereniging by a new editor in his first edit to the page. For very important reasons, that at this moment are beyond my capabilities to comprehend, this editor chose to change the name without prior discussion and to a factually incorrect name. Despite that he refused to undo the move. In response to my request at WP:RM I was told that first a discussion is needed as to whether the move should be undone. As I tried to explain here, here and here the club itself uses either A.R.S.R. "Skadi" or Algemene Rotterdamse Studenten Roeivereniging "Skadi" as its official name. Again, for very important reasons, it is impossible to undo the move and reinstate the name the club itself uses on their website and in correspondence. Since it apparently is policy to discuss undoing hit-and-run edits I bring it here since I would appreciate restoring the article to its proper name, i.e. A.R.S.R. "Skadi" or Algemene Rotterdamse Studenten Roeivereniging "Skadi", (I prefer A.R.S.R. "Skadi" but have no objection to Algemene Rotterdamse Studenten Roeivereniging "Skadi") without the sillyness of waiting 5 days.
Second, for my information I have some questions:
- Is there any policy on WP prohibiting the use of the official name of a rowing club?
- Do I understand correctly that if I go to an article I never edited, I can rename it and its current editors are obliged to have an extensive debate on whether or not my move should be undone? Or, if a move is contested is it first undone and then a debate is started to see if the new editor (me in this example) can find consensus?
- Can somebody restore the article to its correct and official name?
Nomen Nescio 00:12, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
- These questions belong at the village pump for policy discussion or village pump for assistance. This page is meant only for things that require urgent admin assistance, but the issue here is a content/title dispute. — Carl (CBM · talk) 00:23, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
- I disagree, undoing the move requires admin tools does it not? Second, why is it impossible to undo what to me appears to be disruption without having an extensive debate? Shouldn't the move be immediately undone and the hit-and-run editor asked to start a debate? As I asked above, are you suggesting I can go to other articles, rename them, and then the editors there are forced to await disscussion on whether it should be undone?
- Second, how can there be a content dispute with an editor that has never editted the article and made only one contribution? That is silly. Nomen Nescio 00:28, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
- That is a content dispute, a dispute about content. Sort it out amongst yourselves. By the way, it doesnt matter if that was the users first edit or their 50000th. Viridae 00:35, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
- Second, how can there be a content dispute with an editor that has never editted the article and made only one contribution? That is silly. Nomen Nescio 00:28, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for the information, I am on my way to start some "content disputes." My questions are answered and as it stands now the onus is not on one-time hit-and-run editors but on people contributin to an article to undo. Sigh. Nomen Nescio 00:40, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
Since it is impossible to have someone at AN/I undo this hit-and-run-edit, which is erroneous and unsupported by consensus, I want some input here as to:
- How can one have a "content dispute" with a one-time editor who only renames an article and does not, and did not, contribute in any form on said article? Am I to infer that I can force similar debates on every article in WP, I never edited before, by unilaterally and without discussion moving them?
- Why is it impossible to undo this disruption without having the burocracy mandating some kind of UN inspired delay through debate? Especially in light of an identical case where it was possible to undo the mess and it was mandated that movers should first seek consensus.
- Is there any policy in wikipedia that obliges the current editors of a page to start a debate after a one-time editor arbitrarily moves the article? Even if said editor has taken no further interest in the page and no other people are discussing the matter?
- last, regarding the rationale behind the illfated move. Is there any policy in WP prohibiting the use of the officially chosen name of an organisation, see above, as title for an article?
Please can someone answer me those questions? Nomen Nescio 10:27, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
Dear Misplaced Pages admins-
A few weeks ago, I wrote, "Even those few who benefit from the customer service on Misplaced Pages's apothegms fail to recognize their current manifestation as an impudent, childish form of despotism". In this letter, I'd like to follow up on that statement. For most of the facts I'm about to present, I have provided documentation and urge you to confirm these facts for yourself if you're skeptical. The primary point of disagreement between myself and the customer service on Misplaced Pages is whether or not it seizes every opportunity to seize control over where we eat, sleep, socialize, and associate with others. I cannot believe this colossal clownishness. Any sane person knows that the customer service on Misplaced Pages does not tolerate any view that differs from its own. Rather, it discredits and discards those people who contradict it along with the ideas that they represent. When a friend wants to drive inebriated, you try to stop him. Well, the customer service on Misplaced Pages is drunk with power, which is why we must remind it about the concept of truth in advertising.
Perhaps if the customer service on Misplaced Pages thought about it, it'd realize that it wants to crush the will of all individuals who have expressed political and intellectual opposition to its scribblings. What does it think it is? I mean, somebody has to foster mutual understanding. That somebody can be you. In any case, the customer service on Misplaced Pages is guilty of at least one criminal offense. In addition, it frequently exhibits less formal criminal behavior, such as deliberate and even gleeful cruelty, explosive behavior, and a burning desire to assail all that is holy. If we reveal the truth about the customer service on Misplaced Pages's sentiments, then the sea of ruffianism, on which the customer service on Misplaced Pages so heavily relies, will begin to dry up. I can easily see the customer service on Misplaced Pages performing the following violent acts. First, it will destroy any resistance by channeling it into ineffective paths. Then, it will insist that our society be infested with wowserism, pessimism, emotionalism, and an impressive swarm of other "isms". I do not profess to know how likely is the eventuality I have outlined, but it is a distinct possibility to be kept in mind.
If I had my druthers, the customer service on Misplaced Pages would never have had the opportunity to sell otherwise perfectly reasonable people the idée fixe that clever one-liners are a valid substitute for actual thinking. As it stands, all the deals the customer service on Misplaced Pages makes are strictly one-way. The customer service on Misplaced Pages gets all the rights, and the other party gets all the obligations. I have a dream, a mission, a set path that I would like to travel down. Specifically, my goal is to tell the customer service on Misplaced Pages what we all think of it -- and boy, do I have some choice words I'd like to use. Of course, it occasionally shows what appears to be warmth, joy, love, or compassion. You should realize, however, that these positive expressions are more feigned than experienced and invariably serve an ulterior motive, such as to promote lewd ideologies such as cameralism. When I was a child, my clergyman told me, "Unrestrained opportunism is the customer service on Misplaced Pages's quiddity." If you think about it you'll see his point. The customer service on Misplaced Pages's histrionics reflect an era in which cultures or attitudes different from one's own were dealt with through violence and mistrust. You may have detected a hint of sarcasm in the way I phrased that last statement, but I assure you that I am not exaggerating the situation. Even when the facts don't fit, the customer service on Misplaced Pages sometimes tries to use them anyway. It still maintains, for instance, that the world's salvation comes from whims, irrationality, and delusions.
On the surface, it would seem merely that even if the customer service on Misplaced Pages is not conscious of the inner reason for its analects, it can't relate what it sees to any broader principle. But the truth is that if it opened its eyes, it'd realize that I firmly believe that we're all in this mess together. If the customer service on Misplaced Pages's plan to create an unwelcome climate for those of us who are striving to make technical preparations for the achievement of freedom and human independence is to be discouraged then the wisest course of action is to ensure that we survive and emerge triumphant out of the coming chaos and destruction. Before we start down that road I ought to remind you that it has a natural talent for complaining. It can find any aspect of life and whine about it for hours upon hours. To skewer me over a pit barbecue is an injustice.
Is that such a difficult concept? The customer service on Misplaced Pages knows that performing an occasional act of charity will make some people forgive -- or at least overlook -- all of its execrable excesses. My take on the matter is that I've never bothered it. Yet it wants to pursue a twofold credo of charlatanism and alcoholism. Whatever happened to "live and let live"? The customer service on Misplaced Pages attributes the most distorted, bizarre, and ludicrous "meanings" to ordinary personality charcteristics. For example, if you're shy, it calls you "fearful and withdrawn". If, instead, you're the outgoing and active type, the customer service on Misplaced Pages says you're "acting out due to trauma". Why does it say such things? To help answer that question I will offer a single anecdote. A few weeks ago, I overheard some lackadaisical blusterer tell everyone who passed by that the few of us who complain regularly about the customer service on Misplaced Pages's methods of interpretation are simply spoiling the party. Astounded, I asked this person if he realized that the only thing protecting the people of this world from the customer service on Misplaced Pages's sexist, unprofessional bromides is our love of freedom and concern for justice. Not only was his answer "no" but it was also news to him that the customer service on Misplaced Pages's claim that people prefer "cultural integrity" and "multicultural sensitivity" to health, food, safety, and the opportunity to choose their own course through life is factually unsupported and politically motivated.
If the customer service on Misplaced Pages continues to uproot our very heritage and pave the way for its own semi-intelligible value system, crime will escalate as schools deteriorate, corruption increases, and quality of life plummets. The customer service on Misplaced Pages says that it is the way, the truth, and the light. That is the most despicable lie I have ever heard in my entire life. I would like to put forth the possibility that the customer service on Misplaced Pages dreams of a time when they'll be free to issue a flood of bogus legal documents. That's the way it's planned it, and that's the way it'll happen -- not may happen, but will happen -- if we don't interfere, if we don't empower the oppressed to control their own lives.
Let's understand one fundamental fact: The customer service on Misplaced Pages's hatchet men all have serious personal problems. In fact, the way it keeps them loyal to it is by encouraging and exacerbating these problems rather than by helping to overcome them. Here's the heart of the matter: I once managed to get the customer service on Misplaced Pages to agree that it wouldn't know a new idea if it hit it over the head. Unfortunately, a few minutes later, it did a volte-face and denied that it had ever said that.
Some people consider the customer service on Misplaced Pages's paroxysms a necessary evil, but the truth is that it would be wrong to imply that the customer service on Misplaced Pages is involved in some kind of conspiracy to strip the world of conversation, friendship, and love. It would be wrong because its slogans are far beyond the conspiracy stage. Not only that, but that fact is simply inescapable to any thinking man or woman. "Thinking" is the key word in the previous sentence. Does the customer service on Misplaced Pages really know anything about the lamentations it claims to support? No, it doesn't. The customer service on Misplaced Pages doesn't want us to know about its plans to take away our sense of community and leave us morally adrift. Otherwise, we might do something about that. The customer service on Misplaced Pages focuses on feelings rather than facts. Sure, it attempts to twist and distort facts to justify its feelings but that just goes to show that the customer service on Misplaced Pages has been trying hard to protect what has become a lucrative racket for it. Unfortunately, that lucrative racket has a hard-to-overlook consequence: it will impact public policy for years to come eventually.
While jaundiced reprobates claim to defend traditional values, they actually poke someone's eyes out. I commend to your earnest and philosophical consideration the customer service on Misplaced Pages's plan to destroy everything beautiful and good, and I'm not making that up! I proudly adopt this stand, to put it mildly. The customer service on Misplaced Pages's smear tactics always follow the same pattern. It puts the desired twist on the actual facts, ignores inconvenient facts, and invents as many new "facts" as necessary to convince us that it can change its censorious ways. I am not mistaken when I say that an organization that wants to get ahead should try to understand the long-range consequences of its actions. The customer service on Misplaced Pages has never had that faculty. It always does what it wants to do at the moment and figures it'll be able to lie itself out of any problems that arise. If the customer service on Misplaced Pages can't be reasoned out of its prejudices, it must be laughed out of them. If the customer service on Misplaced Pages can't be argued out of its selfishness, it must be shamed out of it.
Moreover, I've heard of mutinous things like hooliganism and communism. But I've also heard of things like nonviolence, higher moralities, and treating all beings as ends in and of themselves -- ideas which the customer service on Misplaced Pages's ignorant, unthinking, uncontrollable brain is too small to understand. It is quite common today to hear people express themselves as follows: "Our problem -- and make no mistake about it, it is a severe predicament -- is that we currently lack the resources needed to discuss, openly and candidly, a vision for a harmonious, multiracial society." I can repeat with undiminished conviction something I said eons ago: If the customer service on Misplaced Pages continues to up the ante considerably, I will truly be obliged to do something about it. And you know me: I never neglect my obligations. Let me close by reminding you that the statements I made about the customer service on Misplaced Pages in this letter are in earnest. I will not equivocate. I will not excuse. I will not retreat a single inch. And I will be heard.
--Darlingshire Barracks 11:01, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
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