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Dates

Hi. I have no quibble with your date changes. But just saw your reference to wp:date, and was not sure what within it you were referencing. tx.--Epeefleche 01:51, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

I once got sucked into a revert war over the stupid issue of the "spoiler" tag. I got so mad at the obtuseness of the editors involved that I asked for permanent self-block after they slapped me with a 3RR. Then I decided to come back and stop watching so many pages on so many subjects. However, I nearly got pulled into it again, just within baseball, thanks (1) to Tecmo; and (2) to the idiot that kept trying to put Mets colors on Casey Stengel. The fact is, regarding dates, there is no clear "practical" policy, no consensus, regardless of what the supposed "official" policy is. It's also not important, and for some policy-pedants to get into revert wars over it indicates they have too much time on their hands. As for me, I seldom link dates at all. I leave linking of dates to those who want to tangle with that issue. :) Baseball Bugs 02:15, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

I left word on the issue at the page where the issue was discussed. You may wish to do the same, for whatever it is worth. I though the postion taken by others on the substance of the issue was lacking in wisdom.--Epeefleche 02:27, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

What I learned from the "spoiler" issue is that those characters are fanatics who won't change their minds no matter how much logic you try to use in explaining it. Baseball Bugs 03:41, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

That may be true. Still ... no reason not to let them (and others who read the page) know that BB is not alone in his view that his approach was reasonable. No?--Epeefleche 04:46, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

Pascack and JoeIdaho

Excellent. Another two bite the dust. Peace at last. Until the next one. Baseball Bugs 17:43, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

Wknight94 is wondering if that new user is Tecmo. At the moment, I don't think so, but he does have an interest in baseball cards. It bears watching. Baseball Bugs 17:48, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

I'm starting to suspect Gmh224 and Jjj222 are the same user... Pascack. Two user names created today, after Pascack's 192.*.*.* IP was unblocked - taking on his anti-Yankees/pro-Mets agenda, starting with Joe Girardi this morning. Mghabmw 22:45, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

Socks

Be careful of accusations. Unless the evidence is strong (which I'm not so sure of here), you can get in deep water. That's why I kind of dance around the issue unless I'm certain. However, that guy User:Ragefd came on for a short stretch 3 days ago and did nothing but baseball cards , so it's hard to tell what's up. Baseball Bugs 18:48, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

The short-lived, apparent Tecmo/Levi IP address sock was this one . Anytime I find one, I'm including them in a category of "suspected sock puppets of Tecmobowl" which you can also get to by going to the User:Tecmobowl page, et al. I found it funny that this short-lived sock made a stop at Louis SOCK-alexis. That Tecmo/Levi is a barrel of laughs. Baseball Bugs 03:21, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

According to discussion on the notice board as per User:Wknight94 and User:Theresa knott, edits by banned users are fair game for reversion. However, if you think his edits were an improvement, you may apply those edits at your discretion. :) Baseball Bugs 14:58, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

Len Dykstra

Just wondering - but why did you change the Len Dykstra colors from Mets to Phillies? He was one of my favorite players of the 1980's Mets and although he played a couple more years in Philly, I think more people remember him now as a member of those dominant Mets teams in the 80's. In either case, I think he should be shown a Met because he has served as a special instructor for the Mets the last few years in spring training, whereas he is no longer affiliated with the Phillies. In either case, I thought I'd ask because I noticed your change while I was making an edit to Dykstra's page. Thanks. Gmh224 19:09, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

Maybe it's a matter of geography. I live in New Jersey about half way between New York and Philadelphia (Toms River to be exact) and I think more people identify with Dykstra as a Met because of the popularity of that 1986 team. The Dykstra trade was probably one of the worst trades the team ever made. Anyway, I think Dykstra works with the Mets organization now, but I thought I'd ask because I didn't want to revert your change. Gmh224 19:14, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

He's a Phillie. And I grew up in the NY metro. Mghabmw 23:17, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

But he is currently affiliated with the Mets as a special instructor. He seems to associate himself more with the Mets in his retirement. I think that has to be considered a tie breaker. Gmh224 14:14, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

This is why it's probably a good idea to remove the colors altogether. I'm not sure I'd even include HoF colors - Gary Carter and I agree that he's a Met but the HoF disagrees (and now I notice that he indeed has colors contrary to the HoF). —Wknight94 (talk) 14:21, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

The problem is that it's basically a decoration. In theory, everything in wikipedia has to be verifiable. It's easy to verify (1) what team a current player is with and (2) what that team's colors are. It's not so easy to verify what a retired player's colors "should" be. Therein lies the problem... or should I say the trap. It's similar to the problem of which flag to assign to a player who was born in Germany because his parents were in the military but he's as American as baseball, hot dogs, apple pie and Chevrolet. It gets back to the question what is the purpose, or the point of the colors and the flags? The answer to those questions should drive the answer to what colors and flags to post. Baseball Bugs 15:05, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

Yankees10

No, I'm not. I don't know where that came from. Mghabmw 23:16, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

The Evil Sultan reported me for sockpuppetry, which makes no sense. Bucs10 and Yankees10 had it noted that they were the same guy and they haven't edited in weeks, so why would I be a sock puppet? I got into a stupid editing war with Pascack for standing my ground on Reggie and the opinions of everyone else who discussed it with the exception on me and his sockpuppets, but at least there's a picture there now. Mghabmw 23:21, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

Enforcement by reverting edits

Hi, you just RVd edits that I made to Longlevi (the sock of a banned user) edits, per WP:BAN, which provides: "Any edits made in defiance of a ban may be reverted to enforce the ban, regardless of the merits of the edits themselves. As the banned user is not authorized to make those edits, there is no need to discuss them prior to reversion. Users are generally expected to refrain from reinstating any edits made by banned users."--Epeefleche 15:30, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

You can blame me for that. He said he thought the edits looked like an improvement. I said if they look like an improvement, to go ahead and reinstate them (see my comment under "Socks", above). In truth, I had thought so too, but it's a touchy area. While Tecmo/Levi's edits since banning have no standing as such, it's possible the content of those edits have some value. I would say that once someone else puts them back in there, they "own" them (the edits they made, not the article they put them into) and must answer for them, as with any other edits. Baseball Bugs 15:52, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

I talked to Baseball Bugs regarding the issue. He says that I could revert to his edit. I think his does have better information, albeit a banned user. So I think that my edit is fine. Sorry if it bothers anyone, but I'm trying to improve all these articles currently. And Tecmo's did improve it. Soxrock 15:33, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

(I moved the preceding comment back here from my talk page, to keep discussion in one place --Epeefleche 17:08, 22 July 2007 (UTC))

My suggestion is to incorporate any information that you think is better. First, there are ways in which it is inferior, for example the version you RVd accorded with wp:bio where this version does not. Second, I believe that it is appropriate to have sensitivity towards the admonition in wp:ban that "Users are generally expected to refrain from reinstating any edits made by banned users." If there is anything in the banned user's comments that you think necessary, pls incorporate it if you like, but I think the blind RV was not the better move for both of these reasons. I would take the non-banned-user version, see what is missing that should be in there, and work from there.--Epeefleche 17:08, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

Ok. I see. Thanks for your opinions Soxrock 17:13, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

A pleasure communicating with you, as always.--Epeefleche 19:37, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

Me Leaving

Thanks for your concern about me leaving, I was just taking a long break, I will still be editing Misplaced Pages, just not as much as I used to, and I am sorry for taking so long to respond--Yankees10 16:03, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

Seasons

The best thing to do is to merge the seasons articles to the respected page, there were several WP:AFD concensus for that. I reverted your edits. Jaranda 23:19, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

Uh, no. They are notable Soxrock 23:24, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

WP:CANVASS

Please read the that link. I have no interest in these articles and your request for help from me, an unrelated Wikipedian, constitutes canvassing. I do not wish to receive any further notices about this. As an aside, using your alternate account for canvassing is even less appealing. Leebo /C 00:09, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

Going around finding people to support your cause is exactly what WP:CANVASS describes as disallowed. At most, it's acceptable to notify a few related participants of a discussion, rather than going around asking everyone for help. Leebo /C 00:14, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

Same opinion here. --Michael Greiner 00:19, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

I have fixed it. Sorry for canvassing. Soxrock 00:24, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

I reverted your canvassing, as that isn't allowed. Jaranda 00:25, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

2006 Royals

What do you mean by other batters? And do you want me to put pitchers batting stats? There's quite a few that batted but it seems so... insignificant. Mghabmw 00:20, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

I don't follow the Royals, so I'm not so sure of their lineup. I'm going to take the judgement and use a min of 100 AB. Mghabmw 00:26, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

Jaranda (talk · contribs)

I have seen that you have left the same notice that you left me on other user's talk pages. However, Jaranda (talk · contribs) didn't like that and removed all your comments that you left on their pages. I warned him, but I thought I should tell you. Jaranda has taken it upon himself to do this, and it isn't right of him. He had no right to remove your comments. Ksy92003(talk) 00:29, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

No, Jaranda didn't take it upon himself, several other Wikipedians (the ones that Soxrock is spamming, including myself) have asked him to stop. Leebo /C 00:33, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

I don't know why he's being like that, but it isn't right of him. He had no right to redirect those pages. And if any more problems with him arise, then we will have to do something about him. He can't re-direct them just because they're, in his opinion "not notable" when it's a huge project that many many users have worked on. If he does it again, then I'll calmly talk to him. Ksy92003(talk) 00:35, 23 July 2007 (UTC)