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Remove Sentence

I'm removing the end of the first paragraph. It's completely an opinion.

Unauthorised reissue?

Is an 'unauthorised reissue' not a bootleg? Misplaced Pages doesn't list bootleg recordings on artist pages... --Kiand 22:50, 18 August 2005 (UTC)

Reword / tidy

I'm just about to tidy up the main bio part. The grammar's a bit poor in places and things need "Wikified" such as album and magazine titles. Also, there seem to be two origins for the band's name. According to an interview with Dave Buckner on Pause & Play, "Coby's stepdad's last name is Roatch, and their grandfather was always called Papa. It's as simple as that". IainP (talk) 22:43, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

Old Friends From Young Years

I've had a dig online and this album does seem to be credited as Papa Roach's first. The edit which mentioned it wasn't exactly great, gramatically, but the fact seem straight. I don't have time to dig into things right now (selling a house and moving country!) but if someone else wants to update the article... :) IainP (talk) 15:35, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

article photo

the photo in the article should be immediately replaced. it seems to come from a fashion magazine rather than from a music newspaper. i am sorry to say this personal opinion, but also the Italian version of this article appears to be written much better. User:85.18.14.4, 6/11/2006

Wow, it has been replaced by the one from the "Scars" single CD. What a luck! Egr (former User 85.18.14.4), 7/7/2006

Fansite links

At the moment there are 11 fansites listed under the "External links" section. As per Misplaced Pages's policy:

Fan sites: On articles about topics with many fansites, including a link to one major fansite is appropriate, marking the link as such. In extreme cases, a link to a web directory of fansites can replace this link. (Note: fanlistings are generally not informative and should not ordinarily be included.)

These links should be removed as it makes the page look untidy and is more-or-less a self-promotion thing.

Genres

More information about Papa Roach's various explored music genres have been included in the info box. These include genres used in previous albums (eg "Infest" has a distinct Rapcore sound.)

These explanations above are totally shallow, because:

1. Papa Roach neither played grunge and/or punk, nor claimed it;
2. <<"Infest" has a distinct Rapcore sound>> denotes that this editor doesn't completely know their discography and hates rapcore.

I wouldn't consider them post hardcore...listen to them and then listen to alexisonfire who is an actual post hardcore band

--Egr 18:38, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

1) I have no bias against rapcore, I can't see how that accusion came about so don't jump to conclusions there. I've simply assumed rap+rock = rapcore/rapmetal, so if this isn't the case then I apoligise for messing stuff up, I've seen your talk and you seem to know what you're talking about so I'll assume that Rapcore is too broad a statment/ incorrect.

2) Concerning "Post grunge": the description of post grunge includes "It is characterized by ... "soft verse, loud chorus" song patterning." which Papa Roach's newer songs include (Scars, Getting Away with Murder, Crash, Forever) of course this is a broad statement where "soft" has been translated as "not loud singing" which features in the aforemention songs. Wheras this is not precise, the basic pattern is typical of "Getting Away With Murder" and "The Paramour Sessions".

And no, I am not the only one who has changed the genre to Post Grunge. There are other like minded people who assume this could be correct as well, it is Wikipedias nature to change subject to user's intention to provide the most accurate details so could you please let things flow naturally and not get too annoyed at minor corrections? Encell 22:56, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

This page has been under constant vandalism by a certain someone who seems to believe that Papa Roach are Pop Punk, Hardcore Punk and Emocore of all things. As mentioned above Papa Roach have never been punk. Hardcore Punk would be bands like Rise Against while Pop Punk would be radio and MTV friendly bands like Simple Plan and the All American rejects (they both suck). As for emocore, dont even ask. Jason f90 16:07, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

My personal opinion, hard rock, alt metal, nu metal, and rapcore. post-grunge works with me also. Itachi1452 03:26, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

-- Yeah, I agree, Papa Roach is DEFINATELY not Post-Hardcore or Pop Punk.. Hard Rock or Nu Metal if anything, I'd suggest that someone fixes the genre.. God I hate vandals -_- --nitro glycerine 03:37, 15 May 2007

Pop-Punk? Post-Grunge?

1. I am NOT the one who is changing the genre to Pop Punk/Hardcore Punk or Post-Grunge. To who it may concern, Papa Roach are NOT Pop Punk although songs like 'Time Is Running Out' have a poppy feel to it. Bands like Simple Plan and the All American Rejects fall into the pop-punk genre and to classify Papa Roach as pop-punk is insulting to say the least.

2. In my opinion, I would classify them as : -Infest (Nu Metal, Rapcore) -lovehatetragedy (Hard Rock, Alternative Metal (except for She Loves Me Not which is Rapcore) -Getting Away With Murder (Hard Rock, Alternative Metal) -The Paramour Sessions (Hard Rock, Alternative Metal)

3. Post-Grunge is a very complicated genre. Even bands like Nickelback fall into that category and to associate Papa Roach with them is laughable to say the least. Therefore I think it's best if we don't classify Papa Roach as post-grunge. Jason f90 10:35, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

i agree with you 100%. the genres i always classified them under were rapcore, nu-metal, hard rock, and alternative metal. songs like scars are alternative metal/hard rock. then songs like last resort are obviously rapcore/nu-metal. post-grunge is really broad, so putting them under it doesn't do much. it's like calling a band like them simply "alternative rock". they would still fit, but you can easily go into more detail, plus alternative metal easily shows that they have alternative rock influences. Itachi1452 15:14, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

Please explain:

1. why you're still convinced of this nonsense (do you really know what are pop punk and posthardcore?).
2. what sources can confirm it.

--Chargin' Chuck 20:31, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

yes! they have a lot of hardcore influence and some pop-punk influnce

plese write:(early style)Nu Metal/Rapcore (Current Style)Alternative Rock/Pop-Punk/Post-Hardcore or just Alternative rock! but papa roach don't make alternative metal!they have pop-punk influnce,songs like:time and time again/m-80/blood(with hardcore)/she loves me not(with rapcore)/stop looking/start seeing(a touch hardcore)/done with you/i devise my own demise(with hardcore influnce)/time is running out(pop-punk/alternative rock)/no more secrets! and they have hardcore/post-hardcore influnce,songs like:blood/stop looking start seeing/not listening/tyrany of normality/scars/done with you(just a bit hardcore)/alive/i demive my own demise/crash/forever(with emocore influnce). the most songs of papa roach are alternative rock! infest is a straight up nu metal/rapcore album! lovehatetragedy is alternative rock with three pop-punk songs. getting away with murder is a alternative rock/pop-punk/post-hardcore album! gawm has got a lot of hardcore influnce! the paramour sessions is a alternative rock/pop-punk/post-hardcore album or just a alternative rock album with some hardcore and pop-punk songs! so think about it,please!: )

PAPA ROACH SOUNDS VERY LIKE EIGHTEEN VISIONS AND EIGHTEEN VISIONS MAKE POST-HARDCORE/ALTERNATIVE ROCK/PUNK ROCK!!

PLEASE!! ANSWER ME!!

fine, i shall answer you. i too am an 18v fan, but they sound alike, but too much alike. besides, 18v is also a metalcore band, with more screaming. Itachi1452 03:26, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

All Music Guide

Allmusic.com is not a reliable source with which to classify a band as alternative metal (please do read the article, most people seem not to). The reason for this is that they don't use the term "nu metal" - they consider it only a subtype of alternative metal. All nu metal bands, including bands that aren't alternative metal like Limp Bizkit, Linkin Park, etc., are only listed as "alternative metal". Allmusic doesn't discriminate between alternative metal and nu metal, so nu metl bands only described as alternative metal there shouldn't be listed as such. Find another source maybe, but allmusic won't cut it. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by SwitChar (talk • contribs) 12:03, 2 February 2007 (UTC).

plese write:(early style)Nu Metal/Rapcore (Current Style)Alternative Rock/Pop-Punk/Post-Hardcore or just Alternative rock! but papa roach don't make alternative metal!they have pop-punk influnce,songs like:time and time again/m-80/blood(with hardcore)/she loves me not(with rapcore)/stop looking/start seeing(a touch hardcore)/done with you/i devise my own demise(with hardcore influnce)/time is running out(pop-punk/alternative rock)/no more secrets! and they have hardcore/post-hardcore influnce,songs like:blood/stop looking start seeing/not listening/tyrany of normality/scars/done with you(just a bit hardcore)/alive/i demive my own demise/crash/forever(with emocore influnce). the most songs of papa roach are alternative rock! infest is a straight up nu metal/rapcore album! lovehatetragedy is alternative rock with three pop-punk songs. getting away with murder is a alternative rock/pop-punk/post-hardcore album! gawm has got a lot of hardcore influnce! the paramour sessions is a alternative rock/pop-punk/post-hardcore album or just a alternative rock album with some hardcore and pop-punk songs! so think about it,please!: )

PAPA ROACH SOUNDS VERY LIKE EIGHTEEN VISIONS AND EIGHTEEN VISIONS MAKE POST-HARDCORE//ALTERNATIVE ROCK/PUNK ROCK!!

please read this!

please write: Alternative Rock/Pop-Punk(or Punk Rock)/Post-Hardcore/Nu Metal/Rapcore

Papa Roach is an Alternative Rock band!

Have you a source to confirm it? --Chargin' Chuck 21:27, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

Call them just a rock band for christ's sake! They were nu-metal, they are not anymore, I repeat they are not nu-metal anymore The only thing from the last 2 albums that would be classified as nu-metal would be the rapping verses in ...To Be Loved.PlayingTheAngel 02:49, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

yes! they were a nu metal band! now they are a alternative rock band! and please write on the gerne:alternative rock/post-hardcore/pop punk/nu metal/rapcore! on the getting away with murder album they also made post-hardcore and pop punk or punkrock! please write it! they have in the paramour sessions still pop punk and post-hardcore influnce but also have pop rock influence! so PLEASE write alternative rock/post-hardcore/pop punk/nu metal/rapcore on the genre

Post-Hardcore and Pop-Punk(Or Neo-Punk)

i think that papa roach made post hardcore/pop-punk(or Neo-Punk] on gawm! on The Paramour Sessions there are only a few post hardcore an pop punk(or Neo-Punk) songs like ...To Be Loved, Alive and i devise my own demise are post hardcore and pop punk (neo punk) are songs like no more secrets no more lies and i devise my own demise!i think papa roach sounds like Eighteen Visions and they make Post-Hardcore! so think about it!

Not at all.

-- No. Comparing bands like that is not the way to find a genre. And please sign your comments, thanks. Also, Eighteen Visions is barely Post-Hardcore, if anything, bands like Alexisonfire, Silverstein and underOATH are real Post-Hardcore bands. Like I said above, Papa Roach is more Hard Rock or Nu Metal if anything. --nitro glycerine

The Paramour Sessions/Future, and Forever

okay, am I the only one that is updating this papa roach wikipedia page? sure seems like it, somebody read the section and tell me what you think, I think I did a pretty good job with the acoustic stuff being on hiatus. Also I completely edited and switched up the Forever page. Feel free to add and discuss changes that may need to be made PlayingTheAngel 03:15, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

There is some new news from the band that the drummer, Dave Buckner, is on a short break, and is being filled in by someone else. I don't remember the name of the fill-in drummer, but you could find the name on paparoachunit.com. someone might want to add the info about that into the article.

I updated this section. PlayingTheAngel 02:46, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

Concerning genre's

I agree with everyone who say's Papa Roach is not Post-Hardcore or Pop-Punk. To call them that is ignorant and ludicrous. Please change that as soon as possible. Thanks.

Post-Grunge

I think they sounds more like post-grunge! they have som punkrock and hardcore-punk/post-hardcore influences but i would say they are now alternative rock/post-Grunge with some hard rock/punk/hardcore influences! And Papa Roach sounds very like 12 Stones, Breaking Benjamin, Trapt, Stone Sour and Alien Ant Farm and these bands make post-grunge but papa roach haven't got alternative metal influences just more alternative rock! And papa roach are often called as a Nu Rock band and Nu Rock is just the another word for Post-Grunge! Ska-Lord

I would actually agree with this. Someone above said something about Papa Roach being compared to Nickelback being laughable, but I don't see why. They sound pretty similar to me. James25402 02:42, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

PAPA rOACH ARE POST-GRUNGE

THey have a lot of influences from post-grunge and the most on Getting Away With Murder! nickelback have some post-grunge influences but they make more hard rock! papa roach are a alternative rock or post grunge band! but more alternative! live with that! AND PAPA ROACH dON'T have Alternative Metal influences! mabye some on Lovehatetragedy but not on GAWM AND The Paramour Sessions ! they have some hard rock influences but no alternative metal! Ska-Lord

Trombonist?

In the first paragraph, "Alan Dan Pease" is listed as the trombonist, but then it goes to say that "Ben Luther" was...so which one is it?

Genre

Could all Papa Roach's songs be classed as rock? Because like they're all a form of rock right?

And is Nu Metal and Rapcore a form of rock?

Add WWE

WWE uses one of their songs called To Be Loved as their RAW opening theme. I think that this should be added somewhere. Thankyou. 75.8.54.152 03:32, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

Genre 2

Papa roach has got only some influenes of hard rock and alternative metal but the main genres are post-hardcore/alternative rock/post-grunge/punkrock/nu metal and rapore! please changing!

Only change it if you can find good sources(like their official website) to back this up. Anyway the reason it says alternative rock is because it's a very wide genre so it doesn't cause conflict among editors in silly debates like this. Angel Of Sadness /C 12:55, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

you knoW! their records are in the post-hardcore genre! SO why isn't post-hardcore and punkrock on the main genre box?

Show me an official website of theirs where it says their genre is post-hardcore and then and only then will I question the box. Anyway the box is to give the reader an idea of what they sound like. Too many genres will seem conflicting. Also, I case you've forgotten, we're not music critics, we are editors of an on-line encyclopediaAngel Of Sadness /C 13:10, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

Genre the third(Post-Hardcore,Alternative,post-grunge and punk)

I have a link from the bio of Papa Roach and they say that they try to make music between metal(nu metal is already in the genre) hardcore(post-hardcore is the better meaning), punkrock and pop music! so papa roach make Post-Hardcore/Alternative Rock/Punkrock/Post-Grunge/Nu Metal/Rapcore! please change it! they have only influences of hard rock and alternative metal! they have also influences of pop rock and pop punk and it's Not in the main musicstyle box but post-hardcore/alternative rock/punkrock and post-grunge should be in there so!and than on the musicstyle text of the papa roach page should be written:Papa Roach has also influences of hard rock, alternative metal, pop rock and pop punk! so please check out this link! http://www.paparoach.com/bio/ Melodic Horror

Seeing as it is referenced by the official website, I don't see why why not. But I think the main editors of the article will need to voice their thoughts about it. Angel Of Sadness /C 22:16, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

It says they have INFLUENCES. That doesn't mean they play that kind of music. To use an example bands like Guns N' Roses were heavily influenced by punk music, but they aren't considered a punk band.

It would be appropriate to note their influences somewhere in the article, but it doesn't belong in genre.68.114.92.198 14:46, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

I never said that papa roach is a punk band! but they started out as a punk band and they still have a lot of influences of punk! more than hard rock and alternative metal!I said they are post-hardcore and alternative rock band with strong punk and post grunge influences! and Post-Hardcore,alternative, punk and post-grunge realy belongs in the genre! more than hard rock and alternative metal! and guns and roses just play hard rock! i never heard that they have punk influences! Melodic Horror

Plese check out the link! there is written: we try to make music between metal(nu metal is already there) , hardcore(post-hardcore because they are more experimental), punk rock and pop music! so i think post-hardcore/punkrock and alternative rock should be in the genre Melodic Horror

Guns N Roses weren't punk influenced? And again you can't change the genre without good sources that say the band plays that type of music. I don't think we have to worry though since for you are blocked from editing this article.68.114.92.198 15:46, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

You talk s***! I#M NOT BLOCKED from this articel! go away! i wanna hear an another smarter thinking from papa roach genre ! not yours Melodic Horror

You are a new user, meaning you are blocked from editing the page, as it is locked for only non-new registered users to edit. Also I'm reporting you for incivility.68.114.92.198 21:52, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

I wanna hear some other thinkings! not your s***! because you know nothing! you bother me go away! i know here are some smarter and more clever guys Melodic Horror

PLEASE READ THIS

Please read the thing about Genre the third(Post-Hardcore,Alternative,post-grunge and punk) IT's important!^^ Melodic Horror