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Ftr

A poll is currently being conducted at Talk:Ftr#Requested move to decide whether to move the article to FTR (bus). Your input would be appreciated. --Jorvik 10:25, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

Re: TREAMIS World School

Tell you what - I'll userfy it for you if you want, and if you're able to improve the article now that the school is open, it can be moved back then. --Coredesat 05:19, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

Done. --Coredesat 05:26, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

Deletion sorting tool

Hi John, I have installed your User:Jayvdb/Deletion sorting tool but nothing seems to show on my headers when I am in a AfD page. My total monobook.js is:

 // Script from User:AndyZ/peerreviewer.js
 importScript('User:AndyZ/peerreviewer.js'); //User:AndyZ/peerreviewer.js
 importScript('User:AzaToth/twinkle.js');
 importScript('Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Deletion sorting/delsort.js');
 DelsortConfig = {
   debugLevel : 0,
   watchDelsortedLists : 1,
   watchDelsortedAfd : 1,
   shortcuts : 
 }

In article space I have tags for csd, last, rpp, prod and xfd. When I am in Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Nicole bourne, for example, there are no new tags. What am I doing wrong? I just took the peerreview stuff out to see if it conflicts but it makes no difference. I'm using Firefox. Cheers, Brian. --Bduke 07:34, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

Have you refreshed your browser cache ? If not or you are unsure what I mean, go to the afd and hit Ctrl-R. If you have tried that, it is possible that peerreviewer.js and delsort.js are not compatible; retry commenting that out of your monobook and refresh your browser cache again. If that doesnt work, then I am not sure what it could be — the best thing you can do in that case is to open up the Firefox Error console (under the Tools menu) and let me know what error it mentions. John Vandenberg 07:48, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

Yep, refreshed cache and so on. Killed and restarted Firefox. Error log is much smaller. The flagged red message are "addlimenu is not defined" and it points to the line " var ul = addlimenu(tabs, 'delsort', 'delsort');". Must run. Tea has just hit the table. More later. --Bduke 08:11, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

Ah, that was the clue I needed. It appears that Twinkle is no longer dependent on "Add LI menu"; I have updated the documentation to indicate how to install this. John Vandenberg 08:43, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

That seems to do it, but I have not tested its use yet. What does the Optional:

 importScript('User:Quarl/util.js');
 importScript('User:Quarl/wikipage.js')

do? Is it something extra, over and above the Mandatory stuff? Thanks for all this. It looks as if it really helps deletion sorting. --Bduke 10:37, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

Those two scripts are required for the "delsort" action to be available on the Afd Log pages. That is a new feature I have worked on recently in order to avoid having to load each Afd page in a separate tab; instead I can load the Log page and work throught the days Afds. I recommend using it in conjunction with Lupins popups.js, which can pop up the nominated page in an insert, again avoiding the need to load another page to work out what the nominated article is about. Beware though, Lupins popups.js leaks pretty badly; each popup is left in the window, so after about 50 popups my laptop grinds to a halt - the solution is to close the tab and start a new one window. I will try to fix this soon. John Vandenberg 13:14, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

Morning, John, I am not quite clear how this is supposed to work. I have added the Quarl stuff and the Lupin/popups.js. In the AfD Log, how do you select an item? The popup appears if I put the cursor on the link to the article. That seems only marginally useful, particularly if it has the bug you describe. If I click on edit for an item, I then see the Delsort menu and can select the shortcut. That added the Delsort entry and adds the AfD discussion to the Deletion List. I then off course have to click the back button to get back to the AfD log. Is that the thing to do or is there a better way? I guess it is going to take me a while to get used to this and all the twinkle stuff too.

--Bduke 00:31, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

The delsort action is displayed on the Log page. So, if you go to Today's log you should see a "Delsort" link. I have uploaded a picture and included it in the documentation on User:Jayvdb/Deletion sorting tool. Clicking on "Delsort" will load a popup window will appear (different from the Lupin popup), displaying all of the delsort lists. Clicking on one of the delsort lists will delsort the article. John Vandenberg 02:22, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

I'm getting blind in my old age, obviously. Thanks for all your help. --Bduke 02:37, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

No worries Brian; better documentation is needed to attract more users. Also note that the deletion window can be invoked from on the Afd page: instead of selecting a shortcut, click on "delsort". John Vandenberg 02:43, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

Peer review

A different matter. The line in my monobook.js:-

importScript('User:AndyZ/peerreviewer.js'); //User:AndyZ/peerreviewer.js

now appears to be not working. It should add a peerreview to the right of the logout header when in a talk page. I thought it was working yesterday but there appears to be a conflict today, but there are no errors, only warnings, in the error console. Cheers, --Bduke 00:24, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

Forget about the peer review stuff. It is supposed to show when editing an article, not in the talk page or editing the talk page, although the review gets put in the talk page. --Bduke 00:31, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

So, is this working correctly? If not, would you like me to have a look at the JavaScript and find the problem ? John Vandenberg 02:22, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

Sorry, I was less than clear. It is working. I'd just forgot what it did. It opens a window with the review comments and you can cut and paste them to the talk page or whereever. Quite usefull. --Bduke 02:37, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

Proposed Journals WikiProject

Are you still interested in creating a Journals WikiProject? I have been considering proposing something similar, and would be keen to participate. Espresso Addict 03:43, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

Yes, but I have been waiting for numbers before beginning. I have also wanted to create a few Misplaced Pages tools in order to automate some of the tasks the project will need performed. I'm glad to hear you are keen; take a look at some of the objectives on User:Jayvdb/Journals and edit/augment as you think is appropriate. Also worth looking at is WP:LOMJQ, which is the predecessor of the proposed Journals project. John Vandenberg 03:55, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

Please take another at Misplaced Pages:Deletion review/Log/2007 July 5

Hi,

I've redone the Goetz school article on my user pages and made some other comments at the bottom of the deletion-review discussion. I'm asking editors to comment on the changes I've made because they represent a new development, one I think we can form a pretty wide consensus around. I think the article as I've redone it meets the objections of many editors, and it certainly meets WP:V. Please take a look, but I think this deletion review will close today or early tomorrow, so please don't delay, act now and take advantage of this limited-time offer! Noroton 16:59, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

Note: This debate has been included in the...

What do you think about using categories rather than the bullet'ed "Note: This debate has been included in the"? The category could be removed after the AfD was closed. Mrand 22:44, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

I am not keen on the idea, as deletion sorting notifies a new set of people of an Afd; that needs to be permanently recorded on the Afd, as Afd's are often reviewed at DRV or during subsequent Afd's of the same article. I am interested in hearing more about what you have in mind. John Vandenberg 02:01, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

I was only suggesting removing the category because I (mistakenly) thought that they were removed from the list after the AfD was over. If not, then of course, the category could be kept there. I was just trying to think of a way to lower the amount of manual work required of maintaining that list. A category would require only one edit rather than two, on two different pages. Mrand 16:32, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

There are categories applied to Afd's (see Category:AfD debates (Biographical) and they are automatically removed from the Afd by bots. However they are not fine grained enough to warrant domain experts taking a look. For example, the Visual Arts delsort list is closely watched by a few people who have a surprisingly good grasp on the type of visual artist that is notable, and which ones are not. If you look at Category:AfD_debates, there is no granularity there. We could improve the Afd category system, and discussion along those lines is a good idea over at WP:DS. But, I eventually got tired of the effort required to do deletion sorting, so I wrote a tool quick makes it a two click operation. Take a look at User:Jayvdb/Deletion sorting tool. John Vandenberg 17:32, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

The Mengals

I've just been looking with interest at your amendments to Asif Mengal. Firstly, are you 100% sure it's the same Asif Mengal in all the citations? Both Asif and Mengal are common enough names. The deputy secretary to the C.M. appears to be a civil service appointment as that's what the others are. (In case you're wondering (I did), DCO = District Coordination Officer.) The Jirga reference talks about Muhammed Asif Mengal. I'm very reluctant to go too far on these without cast-iron sources given the current political repression/turmoil in Balochistan. Anyhow, this is all fascinating stuff.... ROGER  09:48, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

Agreed, it is fascinating. While I am not 100% sure, I think I have put 2 and 2 together, as in the three cites I have used that mention Asif Mengal, it is as a leader of a (relatively) small community. But I have had some dinner and am going to dig around some more. p.s. it would be handy if you created a stub for District Coordination Officer, and add it to "DCO". John Vandenberg 10:29, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

Done, which got me tangled up with Zila Nazim so I've created a single stub called Local government in Pakistan. Which, in retrospect, really ought to be merged into Districts of Pakistan. Feel free to do what you will with. ROGER  13:06, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

Joint Venture (music) AfD

You might want to revisit your !vote at Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Joint Venture (music); the discography listed in the article was for a different band with the same name (and the band up for deletion was not on that notable label). Precious Roy 14:24, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

Userfied

Moved to userspace as requested. Sr13 04:46, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

History merged as requested. Sr13 19:20, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

RFA?

I always see you in AFD alot where you are a voice of reason there, and you do have some article writing experience and I'm wondering if you are interested in a RFA, as you do need the admin tools. Thanks Jaranda 20:25, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

I am interested, but it's not high on my todo list so I havent looked into it. I will only have sporadic access to the net over the next week; perhaps you can point me to some reading material that I can print off and read to understand what I need to do prior to an RFA? John Vandenberg 00:09, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

This is the best link I could find Misplaced Pages:Guide to requests for adminship, let me know once you are ready to accept a nomination. Thanks Jaranda 02:10, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

Nice going

Have seen the work you've been doing to beef up those WA shopping centres this morning, great going. I'm sitting on twenty articles at the moment from local papers, the west, and major trade publications which between breaks I'll be expanding the article and adding to accordingly. Also have a whole lot of info on the changing of hands around the time the last extensions occurred at the end of the 90's. Keep in touch. Thewinchester 02:12, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

16.6k and counting, increased 14x times over in the last 24hrs and I see from your work bringing about the creation of even more articles. Thewinchester 14:14, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

Yes, it's a rare change from School AfD's :) Your UniSuper article just got an additional reference and information about one of it's Employer-elected representatives. Doesn't help i'm a former Non-Executive Director of that University. Thewinchester 14:22, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

Just seen the re-write, nice work on those two planning related refs. Scarily, this is kinda fast becoming another near-gold standard kind of article for shopping centres. Thewinchester 15:49, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

Before I forget, you may want to go and add those references to the Garden City and Westfield Carousel articles as well. Thewinchester 15:53, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

Transport in perth is still a work in progress, just have not got back to it. You no doubt know Orderinchaos (Of Infobox Australian Place and Hammersley, WA fame), so if you're going to go headlong into urban planning, have a good chat with him because he's a fountain of information on the topic and may already have a good chunk of the information you're need from the State Records Office, Battye et al on the topic. Thewinchester 16:01, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

Transport in Perth

Hmmm - when I saw that - ok if it links with lots of other articles - the lack of historical material will make it a lame duck. Call out if you want refs. Good to check to see how other cities like Adelaide etc have similar articles. good start - but lots of work to do SatuSuro 08:34, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

Stephen Tweedie

A {{prod}} template has been added to the article Stephen Tweedie, suggesting that it be deleted according to the proposed deletion process. All contributions are appreciated, but this article may not satisfy Misplaced Pages's criteria for inclusion, and the deletion notice explains why (see also "What Misplaced Pages is not" and Misplaced Pages's deletion policy). You may contest the proposed deletion by removing the {{dated prod}} notice, but please explain why you disagree with the proposed deletion in your edit summary or on its talk page. Also, please consider improving the article to address the issues raised. Even though removing the deletion notice will prevent deletion through the proposed deletion process, the article may still be deleted if it matches any of the speedy deletion criteria or it can be sent to Articles for Deletion, where it may be deleted if consensus to delete is reached. If you endorse deletion of the article, and you are the only person who has made substantial edits to the page, please tag it with {{db-author}}. mms 16:42, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

AfD attention request

Not sure if this is out of order, but there's a somewhat contentions AfD (here) that has received little outside attention. Since the AfD was initiated, a number of single purpose accounts (likely sockpuppets) have started editing (and discussing on the talk page) the article; not !voting, fortunately. In any case, I wanted to see if some AfD regulars could stop by and weigh in. I'm not looking to sway !votes here—I haven't targeted deletionists; I'm asking editors that seem to !vote a lot on music-related AfDs. No reply is necessary but your opinion is valued. Pr 2.0 13:27, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

Carmel High School (Mundelein, Illinois)

re: this edit; I thought the "challenge" half had been fulfilled when the unreferenced tag was placed and dated, over a year ago. I was trying to selectively engage the second half of "Unverifiable material may be challenged and removed." The tag does explicitly state that material may be removed. So what did I do wrong? 24.4.253.249 10:28, 28 July 2007 (UTC)