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Thanks

Elonka - Thanks for your recommendation to comment on the Request for Comment/RIR Page. My comment is now posted. — Preceding unsigned comment added by CHT9 (talk • contribs) 19:27, June 26, 2007 (UTC)

Elonka - Do I need to go back in and add the line: 'Users that endorse this summary'? I thought this was going to be automatic. — Preceding unsigned comment added by CHT9 (talk • contribs) 20:09, June 26, 2007 (UTC)

Soap episodes

If you think I should not add future dates, come back and let me know when I'm wrong. Let me know that it was pre-empted and I made a mistake. Until then, nobody else seems to have a rpblem with it...and the Passions page is updated by someone else...thanks Soapfan06/June 30 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Soapfan06 (talk • contribs) 06:05, June 30, 2007 (UTC)

Talk:Kaaba#Pictures of Muhammad

I like your summary of the policy on depictions of Mohammad. I'll need to think about it a bit, but I think you might have changed my mind on the topic. --P3d0 18:19, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

Marcin Dunin

Currentlu I don't have any close-up of face of statue, but I can do it ;) If You are interest in this theme - sculpture was made by Andreas Friederich from Strasburg in 1846. It is currently on the top of epitaph of archbishop Dunin in Chapel of St. John Cantius in Poznań Archcathedral Basilica. Archbishop himself is burried in Archbishopric Crypt in underground of basilica second coffin from the right Radomil talk 09:50, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

P.S. Could You check this article, because it was written by German (it was started as Martin von Dunin) and Pole (me). Non of us is English native speaker Radomil talk 09:54, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

Dunin Surname page

Hi Elonka,

I added a some information on both Piotr and Princess Maria.

I also added a Wiki link for the charge on Rokitna hill, but it does not mention Captain Zbigniew Dunin-Wonsowicz lead the charge. There are several good external web sources available on Rokitna charge, but the information is a long ways down on the page so I did not add a link to it.

I added a link to a page on www.Lituanus.org about Napoleon's 1812 Russian Campaign. It mentions Count Dunin-Wonsowicz a ways down on the page.

I will try to add more supportive information in the future, but I am flying to Krakow on July 18th and will not be back till the end of August. It is unclear if I will have internet access at the home I am staying at, so it might be a while before I can add any more links and information.

Best Wishes,

Richard (Ryszard) Dunin-W (aka. RickTheLoneWolf)

Depictions of Muhammad

Hi Elonka, that article is horrible, actually. What does one learn about the history of depictions of Muhammad? Almost nothing. It is an unhappy marriage of a proper depictions article, represented by the image gallery, and Islamic aniconism, as the text is more about Islamic doctrine and reaction. I realize that we cannot conjure expert labor out of thin air, but ideally one would discuss the actual history and characteristics of depictions of Muhammad, and another the religious doctrine. Placing the depictions themselves amidst a sea of recentist criticism does a disservice to the reader and to the artists who created them.Proabivouac 07:59, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

Agreed, it needs a lot of work, feel free to help out.  :) --Elonka 19:39, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

"I think that the show/hide option is reasonable. It still makes the image available in an uncensored form, but removes it one simple mouse-click away. As for the Depictions of Muhammad page, I don't think that would be a good solution for that page, since the title clearly states that there will be depictions, so the images should be left on the page. But for here at Kaaba, I would support either using SlimVirgin's show/hide solution, or replacing the "Muhammad placing the stone" image with a simple image of the Black Stone itself, and then linking to Depictions of Muhammad via a "See also". --Elonka 22:24, 16 July 2007 (UTC)"

Thank you for your this post. --- A. L. M. 08:32, 17 July 2007 (UTC),

Thank you once again :) --- A. L. M. 09:42, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

Talk:Reform_Act_1832

GA holds are for no more than seven days. This article needs to be checked to see if issues were addressed bringing the article up to standards. If so, the article needs to be listed. If not, it needs to be removed from GAC. Regards, LaraLove 04:52, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

...and it was written of those of the circumlocutious ministery that they had found in their scribe a champion

Good grief! Well, your diagnosis of the events is correct, but what was going on in the passage, besides passive voice constructions so thick that reading is like being slowly buried in a treacle flood, is that quaint nineteenth century habit of indirect discourse. Really, really conservative people still didn't like to repeat speeches from Parliament (illegal, after all), and so they would report speeches indirectly in indirect discourse. "The duke his lordship indicated that he would prefer a sharp poke in the eye than to read his speeches printed and went further to say that I would rather be electrocuted by Mr. Volta's spirit gun and Leiden cells than read myself transposed" was their way of doing a speech and staying clear of the law (even though they didn't have to). The reference almost certainly is of speeches. ¶As for the history, the entire passage can be and should be half the length, as the events are much shorter when told in the indicative mood. Wellington's comments shocked the Whigs and scared the Tories. His government failed through a no confidence vote. Grey, now Earl Grey (apparently turned into a brand of tea in the interim), forms a government.... Geogre 12:46, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

Question about problematic user

Hi there Elonka. I am another user who has had the misfortune of crossing paths with User:DreamGuy. Well, actually, s/he initiated our “run in” when he removed the content of an entire article of mine (which I spent considerable time researching and cited heavily), claiming it was a WP:FORK and calling my contribution “worthless”. Apparently, he is allowed to completely ignore the WP:Deletion process and didn’t even make an attempt to merge. Regardless of my experience, I find that it is impossible to work productively together with DG. Judging by his/her list of blocks, crudeness and past history, I assume that I am not the only person who has had this problem. Honestly, I just want to leave the whole thing behind and avoid this user entirely, but s/he keeps initiating personal attacks and accusing me of ridiculous things (note: I have never been blocked or accused of violations like this before…which cannot be said for User:DreamGuy). It is surprising to me that nothing more serious can be done about this user besides countless temporary blocks even though he is obviously belligerent and likes to have personal vendettas against other users (WP:DICK). I find this to be a significant flaw in the process. My question is: do you have any suggestions on what I should do? I’d greatly appreciate any input in this matter. Oh and I’d prefer not to sign in, in fear that DreamGuy will come after me for making this edit. Regards, 145.236.110.178 11:47, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

I am sorry to hear that you have been having an unpleasant experience on Misplaced Pages. It has been my own experience that the editing environment here can be a bit "rough and tumble" at times, and that behavior which is not tolerated in other communities, often is tolerated on Misplaced Pages, because the community goals are more towards "build an encyclopedia" than "everyone get along." Also, when someone spends time trying to address a grievance, it's often seen as a waste of their time, when they could be spending time working on articles instead.  :/ Don't get me wrong, there are indeed processes in place to deal with disruptive users, but, when it comes to dealing with problems from established users, these processes generally rely on proving a pattern of disruption, rather than dealing with a single incident.

In terms of DreamGuy in particular, I have to be honest with you that though he can be very brusque at times, the brusqueness is often justified, as he is dealing with bonafide spammers and POV-pushers, who are seeking to intimidate him on very specific issues. Unfortunately, I think that because of this pattern, he may occasionally react to good-faith editors in a stronger way than is necessary. For your own case, I can't make a judgment one way or the other, since you haven't given me any indication of which article(s) you're talking about.

My own advice to you in dealing with anyone on Misplaced Pages is:

1. Don't post as an IP address. Maintain an identity, to prove that you have a history of constructive constributions.
2. Stay excruciatingly civil at all times. Keep in mind that to other harried admins who are reviewing a situation, they often have only a few minutes to come up to speed on a dispute. They're not going to read the pages of history that have led up to a dispute, they're often simply going to look at the last day or two. If they see two people being equally rude to each other, the admin is likely to assume that both are equally at fault. So it is essential that your own behavior be exemplary at all times.
3. Follow the procedures at Misplaced Pages:Resolving disputes. In a nutshell, these are: Talk to the other party involved. Get discussions going on any related article talkpage. Build consensus. Request an RfC on the article. Try to build consensus among other editors, don't try to go at things solo.
4. If discussion doesn't work, seek something more formal. You can go one of two ways here, depending on whether the core issue is one of article content, or user conduct. If article content, try Mediation. If user conduct, go for a User Conduct RfC. But be aware that such an RfC is a major step, and to be successful, you must have proof of multiple attempts to resolve the situation via other means.
5. Lastly, there's arbitration. But to get that far, it's essential that there's a record of having tried all the above steps first.
6. Keep things balanced. Try not to focus on your dispute, but also spend time editing other parts of Misplaced Pages at the same time. For every talkpage message you generate about the dispute, try to have 5 or more edits on other non-dispute-related articles. Prove that you're not a single-purpose account.

I hope that this helps. If you're still uncomfortable talking on-wiki about this, feel free to contact me off-wiki, by clicking on the "E-mail this user" link in the lefthand toolbox. Or you can also contact me via IMs. Check the "contact info" section on my userpage for whichever address is most appropriate. Best wishes, Elonka 17:18, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

Buffy Summers

Hi, I recently created a sandbox User:Paul730/Buffy Summers to work on the Buffy Summers article (I really hope to get this to FA one day), and was hoping for your opinion since you've been working on a fictional television character yourself (Pauline Fowler). How long and detailed should the plot summary be? Currently, it is quite short. However, I was looking at the Andrew Van De Kamp article, and that page's plot summary is much more detailed and now I'm worried that mine's isn't good enough. I've also been using the Jason Voorhees article as something of a reference, but it's difficult because Buffy is such a different character from them.

I realise that my sandbox is far from finished, but I'm wondering what direction to take it in. I've changed the list of relationships into a prose section, but it's still too long and detailed, and I'm wondering whether to keep it at all. I'm also a little worried about upsetting the other Buffy editors by deleting large portions of articles that they have been working so long on. My current plan is to make it quite a short article in the style of Andrew Van De Kamp's, consisting of a character history and some information on her personality based on interviews etc. If you could just give me some general advice about how you think I should deal with this article, I would greatly appreciate it. Paul730 07:35, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

Priory of Sion, Rennes-le-Chateau - SPAM

Try reading some of the French material on the Priory of Sion and Rennes-le-Chateau: there are no "mysteries" there only spam, and more spam.

Priory of Sion, try Jean-Luc Chaumeil's recent book "Testament du Prieure de Sion".

Rennes-le-Chateau, try Rene Descadeillas' "Mythologie du Tresor de Rennes-le-Chateau" and Jean-Jacques Bedu's "Autopsie d'une mythe".

If you do not understand French, try Putnam and Wood's "The Treasure of Rennes-le-Chateau: A Mystery Solved" (Sutton Publishers, currently scheduled for a second revised edition).

Of course there are numerous communities of believers out there who are immune to the facts, and in their desperate plight of frustration create their very own fake Sauniere letters, fake Sauniere Treasures, fake Sauniere parchments --- it's a growth industry.

Watch out for this peddling of piffle....

wfgh6621 July 2007

Joseph Prince/New Creation Church articles

Thanks for taking the time and effort to rewrite an article that I'm sure you've never heard of until a few weeks ago. - 218.186.9.4 18:04, 23 July 2007 (UTC) (This is a shared I.P. address by the way)

You are most welcome. I try to scan random articles every so often to see where I can help out, and that one popped up on my screen, so I decided to dig in a bit and find references for it. It's an interesting topic!  :) --Elonka 18:06, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

Dear Elonka,

We would appreciate if you could stand out and clarify the reason for constant undoing the History of New Creation Church page. Unless you can convinced us on this two accounts:

1) Why should there be other churches name in OUR history page? As in the email that I have sent 3 days ago, we have clearly indicated that we have no problem to include other churches name, only if they are placed under under segment such as "Other Mega Churches".

2) We do not have church building, from the begining of our church history, we NEVER HAD A CHURCH building, and as stated in my email to you, we have our church services in an auditorium that is situated inside a SHOPPING CENTRE.

We understand you meant well to keep those info, but I am here to express to you we are not here for fight over who is right or wrong, we just want things that are true to stay true. And I am here to tell you that we appreciate you for doing all this good work, but please, we know our church best, we live in this church, some of us has been with the church since it started, we know very well what is true and what is not true. And again, I seek your understanding in this issues. You are a great wikipedian, and again, please, let the truth stay truth. Please. Newcreationwebmaster 02:52, 29 July 2007 (UTC)

COI (whatever this stands for)

Hi Elonka, I have sent you an email to clarify my interest in the article. Thanks for approaching us. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Newcreationwebmaster (talk • contribs) 07:03, July 25, 2007 (UTC)

RM of Podlachian Voivodeship

A re-request to move Podlachian Voivodeship has been made at Talk:Podlachian Voivodeship. Thought you might be interested. —  AjaxSmack  07:03, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

Mop?

WjBscribe 20:14, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

(deep breath) Okay, let's do it! I hope that my actions since the last RfA have proved to the Misplaced Pages community that I love it here, and sincerely want to do a good job. :) Admin tools will help me to be even more effective at helping out. Or in other words: Thank you, I accept. :) --Elonka 15:35, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

Sanchez + Spy v. Spy

1. Congratulations on your nomination ^. Maybe you can help me understand something that seems to be flying over me. Really, I know it's a controversial page, but the timidity about the "controversial" aspects of the controversial article in question go way beyond what the cautions in WP:BLP were intended for, imho. I still do not understand why the Colmes interview, for instance, is not allowed under WP:BIO since it is not "invasive" and the subject is "notable". WP:BLP, I think, doesn't want us putting up birth certificates and driver's licenses, not interviews on nationally broadcast news programs. I genuinely do not understand why that is an unreasonable interpretation and no one has offered an explanation. Have you encountered any similar situations? If so, how did the reasoning go?

2. The page in question seems to get people on edge. I noticed you accused Truthjusticeamericanway of being a sock-puppet - this is not so. I will swear to it on a stack of frivolous lawsuits. I know him (well, we met through mutual pixels) and he is not Pwok. I think Pwok threw in the wiki-towel, and I can't really blame him. I understand his frustration. By the way, I'm not Pwok either. I'm also not Truthjusticeamericanway, or a series of numbers, or Benjiboi, or Alice, or the cheshire cat. I hope, if you make admin, you don't decide to just block people on whims.Typing monkey 01:27, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

Elonka, thanks for your response, and thank you also for reviving the discussion about consensus concerning the escorting allegations. Regarding sockpuppetry / meatpuppetry, can you help me understand why the bluemarine account has not also been suspended?Typing monkey 05:57, 29 July 2007 (UTC)

Please respond for Images of Muhammad

You've consistently ignored my responses on this issue when I told you that removing images of Muhammad is against policies. Why are you ignoring policies? Is finding a compromise and doing something that doesnt offend a small group of people more important than Misplaced Pages policies? You've made a big mistake by giving more attention to this thing than it deserves. --Matt57 14:22, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

Possibly unfree Image:ProfessorandLarryJennings.jpg

An image that you uploaded or altered, Image:ProfessorandLarryJennings.jpg, has been listed at Misplaced Pages:Possibly unfree images because its copyright status is disputed. If the image's copyright status cannot be verified, it may be deleted. You may find more information on the image description page. You are welcome to add comments to its entry at the discussion if you are interested in it not being deleted. Thank you. Videmus Omnia 00:10, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

Thank you!

Thank you for the kind comments. If you'd like to see all the boxes I've created, you can check them out here. I understand some people are opposed to warning "boxes", I do not understand why, they are much easier to find, especially when it comes to the shared IPs that have multiple warnings. That being said, I still feel that they are useful, in certain situations.

I do not use them all the time. For obvious vandalism, that contains profanity or hate speech, I use normal warnings, because these are users who have shown deliberate intent, and will probably not respond well no matter what the warning looks like.

However, there are many times that people blank pages, or possibly remove content, without (seemingly) intending to, and those users, I believe, should not be scolded, but gently, and courteously informed. Using graphics triggers psychological clues as to the intent of the person doing the warning, (me) so if I post something on a page about blanking a page, text only, it can be taken as a reprimand. However, when I add a cute smiley face to it, it transforms into a completely gentler, kinder "warning".

For people whose "vandalism" was intentional, but not horribly profane or rude, I prefer to assume they are kids who are new to the site, simply playing around, so I use the cute "gasp" face, which is funny, but also conveys the image that what happened was probably not supposed to happen. There are similar boxes for Copyright violations, and editing others' talk/user pages, each with an appropriately associated image.

I prefer to take on faith most of the non-obvious blanking/vandalism issues, so I try to both welcome, and inform, along with the "welcome" links, and hopefully those users will contribute constructively in the future. :)

(Yes I know I am long-winded, lol, I need more people to talk to here!) Anyway, thank you very much for the kind words, and shoot me a message any time you like. 17:45, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

Truthfully, I'm not a big IM person. I have MSN on Trillian, but I really only open it to talk to the site manager of another site I write for, which isn't very often, lol. I am always in the IRC #vandalism-en-wp (irc.freenode.net) channel, (when I'm awake, lol) and opening a talk with me there will get my attention, since that's how I monitor activity. (Same name as here) Shoot me an email with your MSN name if you want, and I'll add you there, maybe I'll start using it more, lol (P.S. I saw you played piano too! I've played piano since I was 4 years old, my favorite is Danse Macabre, (Saint Saens), but I love Rachmaninoff as well.) 18:03, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

Thanks...

...for running down the copyright permission on the Larry Jennings image. I appreciate it. Videmus Omnia 20:34, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

Thanks RE: Mark Hudson Biog....

I'm happy with Elonka's arbitration. But if we find other documented sources from Disney and elsewhere - we will post them.....what this did was to condone actions by someone "repected" in the industry as "acceptable" behaviour. However to those of us who were the victims - they almost feel "raped" by it.... Canderel 07:00, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Featured article candidates/Pauline Fowler

Hey Elonka, have you noticed that they have restarted the Pauline Fowler FAC from scratch? What are we supposed to do, vote again? Or do you think we should just withdraw. I dont think I can stand to read the same pompous responses from some of them twice :) Gungadin 13:12, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for sorting this out Elonka. I'm quite relieved it's over actually, because I think some of those reviewers were getting a bit patronising. As i've had a long break from editing the Pauline article already, I dont mind getting to work on it again sometime soon. When you have time we can try and come up with a plan on the talk page and see how everyone wants to proceed. Your prior suggestion about merging all in-universe stuff into the out-of-universe info is something to consider. I think it could definitely be done. My only concern is that if we set a plot-free standard with this article, the hundreds of other soap articles that contain an in-universe plot section may be expected to follow suit. It seems to me that undue weight on the FA was given to those editors who totally oppose in-universe information. I personally think a mix is fine, and clearly many other editors do too, it's just that the opposers are far more vocal and it is these same people who hang around the fiction policy/guideline pages trying to eradicate plot summary all together. But we can discuss this further on the article talk page. BTW good luck with your RFA. Gungadin 18:03, 29 July 2007 (UTC)

August 2007 Wikiproject Food and Drink Newsletter

WikiProject Food and Drink Newsletter August 2007

--Christopher Tanner, CCC 16:30, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

Soaps ad

Hey stranger; I was planning to commission one of those {{Misplaced Pages ads}} from User:Miranda, thinking that any advertising is a good thing! In case you're not familiar with them, people can put them on their user pages and have single or ever-changing ads for WikiProjects and such. Anyway, I was curious if you had an idea for content. I really don't know where to begin, but was thinking something along the lines of, "Know more about soap opera characters than your own family? Join WikiProject Soap Operas" or something like that. Check out some of the other ones. TAnthony 21:51, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

Hmm, to be honest, I don't much care for them. I think it's plenty to have a WikiProject banner on the article talkpage, and leave it at that. You've been doing a great job of tagging, btw! Building up quite a library.  :) --Elonka 21:54, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

Good point, I won't bother. Speaking of tagging, I just remembered that I had left telenovelas out; I'm thinking it's appropriate to formally include them in the Project, what do you think? We're still having recruitment issues, obviously, and I think it can only help. TAnthony 02:52, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

RfA

I think you might be confusing me with someone else. You mentioned that "commented a I'd couple times about previous discussions that I was involved in". I don't think I've referred to any specific discussions - rather, my comments have referred to your history of using speedy deletion tags gratitiously, which, by its very nature, leans more to a pattern of problematic incidents rather than a couple of specific and easily cited incidents. Rebecca 01:17, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

Re:Recall

Elonka, I have started a discussion at Wikipedia_talk:Requests_for_adminship#Recall about the use recall in the rfa process. It isnt intended as a reflection on yourself or your RfA. I started considering what the recall process was(hence my question) and seeing that some editors indicated during their rfa they would be available and either never added them selves to the category or have since removed them selves from it. Gnangarra 10:40, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

Marcin Dunin

Portrait of archbishop Marcin Dunin in Pozanń Archcathedral Basilica Radomil talk 16:06, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

Your RFA

Elonka, I wanted to stop by to express moral support (in addition to my support !vote). As I said in the RFA, I suspect your view of the CSD criteria is different than mine but I do think you should have the tools if you want them. I believe that some of the opposers are seeing ghosts that don't exist (as I pointed out here, but many have concerns that can be addressed (or have been addressed by you and will become more apparent over time). I hope that the comments of the 140+ supporters, as well as the constructive comments of those currently opposing the nomination, let you know that the community really does value your participation. -- DS1953 17:58, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

I'm sorry, but as I understand your position on the Kaaba, I have to oppose, with the deepest reluctance; perhaps you could explain. I would also like your opinion of BLP, especially the issues discussed and involved in Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Badlydrawnjeff/Workshop. (The main decision page has been courtesy blanked; I have no idea why.)Septentrionalis PMAnderson 23:04, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

You cqan send me e-mail; but you may want to comment publicly. If you do e-mail, let me know on wiki: it's more likely to catch me. As for the question I conflicted with: it can be very frustrating dealing with DRV without admin privileges; I don't see that you need say more. Septentrionalis PMAnderson 01:36, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

I put it too late; but I was in edit conflict with the close. Your statements do reassure me; I will Weak Support for the record; and I expect to support next time. (Of course, I came to the RfA expecting to support this time.) Let me know. Septentrionalis PMAnderson 15:49, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

• It was a huge shame it didn't pass. Be assured that I'll be back next time to support you. Acalamari 15:58, 3 August 2007 (UTC)
• I think the community made a mistake. That happens. I sure hope (well actually I'm certain) that this won't prevent you from continuing your great work around here. Cheers, Pascal.Tesson 17:16, 3 August 2007 (UTC)
• I'd like to add that I'm disappointed as well, I feel you would be a valuable asset, and I hope you don't let this discourage you in any way. I'm here if you ever need to talk. 17:35, 3 August 2007 (UTC)
• Sorry. Politics rule 17:49, 3 August 2007 (UTC)
• Regret Better luck next time. Jehochman 18:14, 3 August 2007 (UTC)
• Condolences. Stiff upper lip. Your responses were quite good. Try again in 4 months. You'll get it next time. --AnonEMouse 21:12, 3 August 2007 (UTC)
• AnonEMouse said it for me. I too think you will get it next time. Hang in there. --John 21:17, 3 August 2007 (UTC)
• Same here. You really deserved to be promoted in my opinion. It just seems that there were a lot of people who had editing disagreements in the past who got personal, and the closing bureaucrat didn't look past the numbers (sockpuppetry and canvassing didn't help; that whole thing was a mess). Good luck next time, and don't bother notifying me of it then; I'll watch for it myself so we won't get into a minor controversy like this time. --Infophile 18:31, 4 August 2007 (UTC)
  • Thanks all very much for the kind words, and yes, I'll be trying again soon. :) I actually find the outcome of the RfA somewhat amusing, considering that a few hours after it closed, I'm moving along with real-life stuff. I'm at the North American Sci-Fi Convention this weekend, giving talks and signing autographs. My lecture on the Knights Templar went really well! Internet access is a bit spotty here, and it makes Misplaced Pages seem very far away, but don't worry, I'll be back home again soon, and back to my normal schedule. Thanks again, Elonka 02:20, 5 August 2007 (UTC)
    • Let's face it though: it's unlikely that the next RfA will be any different than this one unless (and even then...) you completely stop contributing to complex discussions. I'd rather see you forget about RfA entirely and continue your fine work than see you think twice before speaking your mind. Pascal.Tesson 03:50, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

      Interesting choice. Actually, my #1 priority is to maintain my sense of integrity and honor. It is my hope that I can do both that, and also make admin some day. Though it may require multiple visits to the RfA stocks!  ;) --Elonka 05:33, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

      • I don't see that as inevitable. The puppets are gone - make no mistake, they had an influence - the Muhammad depictions stuff should blow over, and anyhow can be rectified, and some of the appearance of COI can be addressed per Matt57 below. Plus, if she continues to contribute at a prolific rate, still more people will get to know Elonka.Proabivouac 04:31, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

Clean up for articles about your family

This is good for you, people have protested about the alleged "vanispam". I've started with this. I'll go through each article relating to your family. They all have to be sourced, OR has to be removed and if they're not notable, they have to go. If you see anyone not cooperating with this (), please ask them to do so. They might not listen to me, but they will listen to you. Also, are there are other articles about your family other than the ones I listed here? Also, dont be afraid to jump in and clean up this stuff, as Jehochman has advised. So you'll be doing a good job for everyone, for yourself, most of all, by cleaning up these articles and I hope you're going to help me with all this. We will make sure everything is sourced and if its not, it has to go and if someone is not notable, they have to be AfD'd. Make sure you tell all your "friends" about this so they dont jump in to do "keep" during the AfDs thinking that thats what you'd like them to do. Explain to them that this is the right thing to do, and if someone is not notable, then you have to declare a Delete and others will follow. Even though they're about your family, if they're not notable, they shouldnt be on Misplaced Pages. They have to be treated like any other article. --Matt57 03:19, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

Really, you couldn't wait a day or two? El_C 03:20, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

Whats there to wait for? I have talked to her about this, and talked to Jehochman too. This has been an issue for both her RfA's. She should be thankful that I'm making this initiative. --Matt57 03:24, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

Matt57, your edit summary says "Every statement needs to be referenced in the article or it will be termed as OR". Since you seem to be in quite a hurry to deal with these matters, I want to let you know that several of my relatives also have articles on Misplaced Pages that contain some statements that are not referenced. Please take a look at Richard Warren (my great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great grandfather); George W. Bush (my tenth cousin, once removed); George H. W. Bush (my ninth cousin, once removed); Millard Fillmore (my second cousin, six times removed); Franklin D. Roosevelt (my seventh cousin, five times removed); or my other relatives including Franklin Pierce and Ulysses S. Grant. Please let me know when you have removed every unreferenced sentence from those articles and I will identify dozens of other relatives of mine whose articles may contain OR. Thank you in advance for your assistance. -- DS1953 05:44, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

Thats too much to deal with. Yea, there's unsourced statements there too like Ulysses S. Grant which should be fact tagged and then removed, however the people you linked are people known for things other than being your relative. Thats not the case in the articles about Elonka's family. The fact is that I could go right now and claim that Ulysses S. Grant jumped off from a 60 foot building in 1869 holding an orange in his hand and survived and if thats removed, every other unsourced statement should be removed as well. If you want to clean up Ulysses S. Grant, thats up to you. You expect me to clean up the 1.8 million articles in Misplaced Pages? I dont think so. Stop being softies, people. I'm doing the right thing. --Matt57 13:24, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

You're welcome

You are very welcome for the kind words. :) By the way, in the next few days I'll be sending an E-mail to you so look out for that. :) Acalamari 02:56, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

I'm jealous

I've never been to a Sci-Fi Convention, (or anything other than medical conventions, lol) but I've always wondered what they were like, I bet they are just a complete blast! I hope you had a most excellent time, and holler at me when you get home and have a bit of time, I have something I'd love your input on! 03:22, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

I'm sorry

Here is a userbox for you. Spread the love, and give it to another user, so that they, too will feel that it is a beautiful day.
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Have a beautiful day!
I'm very sorry about your RfA and some things said about you. I hope everything's going OK!
Love,
Neranei

• I'm so sorry your RfA didn't make it through this time :( - Alison ☺ 05:05, 5 August 2007 (UTC)
• Oh Elonka ! I wish you good luck--NAHID 05:24, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

Best of luck! Also, I think I saw you at a lecture a few years back at UVA... or maybe I am mistaken! Either way, I have never seen an Rfa with so many votes before. Jmlk17 05:39, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

You're welcome; I hope the sci-fi convention was cool! Neranei /C 22:01, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

• What a great pity! The community shouldn't have been too harsh on you like that. At any rate you still an excellent user and you can count on my support any time. (_{I'm afraid it may be a cliche but your photograph with Cyrillic Projector code illumination is real cool!}) @pple 11:56, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

Sorry

Sorry Elonka! I opposed you. I am a new Wikipedian and joined Misplaced Pages on July 15, 2007. However, I have already created more then ten articles and improved the biography of several noted individuals.

If you can convince rest of us that you will not abuse your power as an administrator, then I will support you. User:Ned Scott pointed out that you are a poor judge of consensus. User:Rebecca pointed out that you cannot be trusted with the deletion buttons. I believe that we should respect the views of those who disagree with us. I looked at your contributions and I think you have done a great job as an editor. You have made over 32,500 edits and made 23811 edits in article namespace. That's great. More than 150 editors supported you. I will look at your future contributions and next time I will support you. Best of luck! RS2007 07:02, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

You deserve to be an administrator!

• I don't have much to say at this moment about this, but I am very disappointed that your second nomination for becoming an administrator didn't succeed with the keys to the administrative power of Misplaced Pages. And the sockpuppetry that went on during this second nomination process of yours is wrong on so many levels. Just wrong! Not to mention the canvassing that I'm certain went on in this process. You deserve to be an administrator here at Misplaced Pages as much as any other Wikipedian administrator due to the fact that you have proven yourself as one of the top ten best editors we have here at Misplaced Pages, regardless of what happened in this second nomination of yours. I will see you around, Elonka. I know that you won't let what happened in this second nomination bring you down. Take care. Flyer22 12:03, 5 August 2007 (UTC)
  • I agree with Flyer22, I think you would have been a great admin. It's a shame all your positive qualities were overlooked by some, but even though your RFA wasn't successful, I hope you will boosted by all the support you were also given. I'm glad to hear you're not giving up :) Gungadin 12:59, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

I'm sorry I missed your RfA; I've been traveling a lot. I would have supported you. I wish you the best for the future and keep doing what you're doing. --A. B. 16:42, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

• Thank you for your message. Really, of all the people you cut and pasted, I may be the least important; we've already talked. Do let me know next time, though. Septentrionalis PMAnderson 19:45, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

• You're welcome, Elonka. I'm sorry you didn't make it this time; please give me a shout next time. Best, SlimVirgin 03:46, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
• Ditto the above...thanks so much for the note! You've got a lot of supporters. Let me know when you try again! – Dreadstar † 04:52, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
• Seeing that the RfA failed, I feel twice that bad for not getting around to voice my support. I know that would have done little to sway that 2:1 score, but still. I'm confident though, that you will be nominated again and by then have proven your competence to even more people. - Cyrus XIII 09:18, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

RfA thanks

Oh wow....I saw you delivering these messages last night (Australia time), which was about 18 hours ago! That's dedication (or maybe you sleep :P). Either way, I'm sorry you didn't get through, and please try again soon. Just don't cause this again! Happy editing, Giggy 02:40, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

Wikipolitics

I looked at you contributions and I think you have done a great job. You have made a significant contribution to many articles on Misplaced Pages. More than 150 editors supported you. I looked at some other requests for adminship. I found that many successful candidates made fewer contributions than you and received fewer votes than you! Now, I understand ‘wikipolitics’ better. Next time, I will support you. Good luck! RS2007 02:47, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

I'm sure you'll get there one of these days. Not that being an admin is such a big deal anyway. Deb 11:48, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

E-mail

I promised to send one. It has been sent now. :) Acalamari 03:36, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

Hmmm...

Well, since I apparently blocked you, I thought I'd give you some balloons to say I'm sorry. =) -- Gogo Dodo 07:04, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

Just got edit-conflicted adding cmts about same balloons to Gogo's talk page. See and you'll know what hes talking about. Probably some disgruntled vandal taking "revenge". --_Hdt83 08:31, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

Re your message: No particular reason for the balloons. Just thought I would drop everybody I supposedly "blocked" per my impersonator above. -- Gogo Dodo 18:39, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

RfA

Hey! leaving a comment for everyone that participated must have been quite a chore! Still the fact that you took the time to do so speaks volumes about you. Hopefully your next RfA will be successful. Keep at it! Roadmr (t|c) 14:33, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

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Re thanks for RfA participation, you're welcome. I left a tiny reply on my Talk page per your request for suggestions (in case you don't watchlist all googols of editors you left notes for :-), but nothing you probably don't already know. Best, Baccyak4H (Yak!) 16:06, 6 August 2007 (UTC)