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Babe Ruth

I'm posting this message on you Talk Page either because you've contributed to the article Babe Ruth, or because you've edited other baseball or sports related articles. I've recently completed a revision of this article at Babe Ruth/rewrite. If you have the time, I'd appreciated it if you'd compare the articles and leave any feedback you might have on the rewrite discussion page. I'd like to reach a consensus before makeing major changes to the main article. Thanks for your help. --djrobgordon 20:09, 4 February 2006 (UTC)

Canadio-Americans

I'm leaving this off of the other talk pages because I very much agree with the overall gist of your comments on "American". However, I'm quite certain that on at least one occasion, probably two or three times, maybe more, I've heard Canadian people express the sentiment that, in theory, they are also Americans because they come from North America. Thus, they would be willing to be called "American" in a context where it was clear that it didn't refer specifically to the U.S. That said, I'm sure that you and many other people would be generally offended at being called American. Personally, I'm from Chicago, and I find it a bit offensive that people don't want me to call myself American, although rarely get worked up about it and would probably never punch anyone over it.

In the interest of greater friendship and collegiality between peoples, what say we on both sides of the border just start calling ourselves "Canadio-Americans" instead? - Nat Krause 21:19, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

Scarborough

I bes saving this

Any source for your 6% or 8% quote on all immigrants coming to Canada going to Scarborough? Please provide a link if you can. Nice little comment on me from some of your friends, ie Atrian, etc. No disrespect to you Wily, but some in here really think they are the all knowing god.Dscarborough 18:38, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

Scarborough nicknames

Thanks for adding your thoughts to the discussion. However, I predict that User:Dscarborough will stomp on your edits within 24 hours. --Atrian 18:42, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

Mastery of English

If tomorrow the Americans changed the name of the country to Walamazoo and insisted the proper adjective for them is Nurple, the proper name of their country would still be United States of America and the proper adjective would still be American.

Apropos of nothing, how do you feel about Mumbai? Sumergocognito 22:15, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

I guess I'm somewhat ambivalent about Mumbai myself, I guess Chennai is now the proper name of that city though, I wonder what becomes of Madras shorts. Where there's a genuine change of name it seems easier to go along, rather than when a non-English speaking government purports to lecture us about English orthography (cf. Kyiv, Makkah). As for the Skydome, I applaud your cussedness. Sumergocognito 23:00, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

Do you have access to JSTOR? It would be helpful to have a second pair of eyes look over the articles Deep is citing to. For the life of me I can't see where he gets it is apparent that that wasn't the only meaning in English, nor was it considered appropriate. out of Mencken's article. All Mencken did was catalog the various alternatives to American which had been proposed up to 1947. He didn't opine on the propriety of contemporary usage and he also documented (without remorse) how quickly any alternative term for Americans bit the dust. Sumergocognito 21:26, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

PROD/AFD/CSD

As a quicker way of PROposing an article for Deletion (hence PROD), you can stick a tag on the page as follows. {{subst:prod|Add reasons here, and mention WP:NOT, WP:CORP, WP:WEB or whatever the reason is }}. Details at WP:PROD, but basically it gets deleted if tagged for a week. If someone disagrees, they can remove the template. In that case you'd need to open an AFD as you've done.

You can also check the speedy deletion criteria at WP:CSD. They are fairly limited in scope, and it's pretty simple, just add the appropriate db-something template. If you have several reasons, you might use db-reason and list them all, but one is enough. On AFD pages people usually write A1 or G4 rather than "Article lacks context" or "Recreation of previously deleted material". Hope this makes sense. If not, or if you have any other questions, please leave a note on my talk page. Best wishes, Angus McLellan (Talk) 23:22, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

Hey, saw that comment also. You might want to read Misplaced Pages:Introduction to Deletion Process to get an overview of the whole thing. PROD is a good timesaver, but if you're new, it may be worth developing a sense of what deletions are controversial before starting to use it a lot. Cheers! Mangojuice 03:26, 1 July 2006 (UTC)

Pedantic comments

Hi. Please refrain from pedeantic comments and stick to the subject at hand, making sure that you eastablish clear logical connections between premises (i.e. propaganda for ... because, etc.) in a civil manner. Thanks in advance. Regards, El_C 14:05, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

Disruptive moves

Hi. You are not being responsive and you are not addressing the issues presented in a substantively way. Do not move the page again without substantive discussion, or this will be viewed as disruption, which you may be blocked from editing for. Thanks. El_C 20:02, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

As I've stated numerous times, my only concern is that WP:Consensus is followed. If you want to ban me for adhering to that policy, feel free. There isn't much I can do about it, but a wikipedian must have principles. WilyD 20:21, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

Feel free to appeal my decision in however way you see fit. El_C 20:25, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

The Invasion of the Tribbles

Kudos for keeping your cool on the The Invasion of the Tribbles deletion page. I laughed out loud when I read your response to that IP. Geedubber 01:49, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

Nice AfD message

Thank you for giving a wonderful alternative name for the NPOV policy. (-: Anville 17:45, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

portal

The other ones had ZPORT and HPORT--D-Boy 19:41, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

question

From what you know, was Quebec considered one of the "American Colonies" between 1763 and 1776? If not, then perhaps the origin of the regular use of the term "American" is when the American Colonists dumped the term "Colonist" after the Declaration of Independence.

Also, if you have time, take a look at the Royal Royal Proclamation of 1763 which provided for the incorporation of Quebec and Florida as British possessions after the French and Indian War. It refers three times to the "Continent of North America" but also uses the term "America" by itself. Uses of the latter are somewhat ambiguous but in each case seem (to me) to read as "the parts of North America that were already British, before the war". One could argue, I suppose, that "America" is used in an interchangeable way with "North America" but I seriously doubt that there are linguistic accidents in legal documents of this importance. Thanks- Sumergocognito 10:01, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

... then the terrorists have won.

Just wanted to say that your comment on the AfD page for The terrorists have won was 1) brilliant, 2) overdue, and 3) hysterical. Good work. Tcatts 17:52, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

Pictures of Toronto schools

In reply to your comment on WP:EiC:

Thanks, that would be much appreciated! --Stephane Charette 20:33, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

English Speaking populations

Thanks - I think the list is beginning to shape up now. -- Avenue 02:04, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

Gretzky

Hi, WilyD. I see that you replaced the image of Gretzky in the The Greatest Canadian article with a fair use image. I don't know if you noticed in the article history, but Thivierr recently replaced a previous Gretzky image in that photo montage with a non-fair use image, on the basis that: "fair use replaced with free - note: fair use images should *never* appear in galleries like this". I seem to recall having seen a wikipolicy at some point to that effect, but of course I cannot find the policy now. You may want to contact Thivierr to discuss the issue. --Skeezix1000 19:55, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

Okay, well, I'm not convinced it isn't fair use, but I double-checked and Misplaced Pages does have a public licence image of Gretzky, so I swapped it for that. When I cam across the article, the image was busted, which is why I changed it. WilyD 21:06, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

FWIW, both the Cherry and Gretzky images (which are otherwise identical in usage) are licensed as fair use promotional materials - so I'm not clear on the overall point. WilyD 21:16, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

Who knows. I just wanted to let you know about a recent edit summary. I have now found the policy reference I referred to earlier, which says: "Fair use images may never be included as part of a photo montage, as their status as being "fair use" depends on their proper use in the context of an article (as part of criticism or analysis)". It's up to you to decide if you agree with Thivierr's interpretation or not. --Skeezix1000 21:38, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

I think Thivierr didn't go after the Don Cherry image because its fair use source information was added after Thivierr made his edit to The Greatest Canadian (according to the article history). --Skeezix1000 21:45, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

Need your help

I saw your comments and edit to State terrorism in Syria. It was well done and appropriate. I began to peel of individual state terrorism articles from the main State terrorism page so as to minimize edit wars. first was Syria and second is Sri Lanka. I need your help in State terrorism in Sri Lanka page too. A vandal who has a POV towards the state of Sri Lanka wants to delete the article based on what he saw in the Syria article. If you can help us there, I can continue my project of peeling of individual countries section from the State terrorism article and make it an appropriate entry. My next target is Sudan, Iran...Huracane 12:05, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

Hi WilyD, I welcome your comments and your balanced observations.As you can see the existing article had a strong POV against Sri Lanka. the article "state terrorism in sri lanka" is taken verbatim from "state terrorism" page , and its content has existed for a number of days. I did not know it is permissible to delete anything even if it is not cited. My problem is users on this page tend to cite from sites which exist as propoganda outlets for the designated terrorist organisation LTTE. E.g:- tamilnet.com, tamilnation.com. Are citations from propaganda websites allowable. My preference is for neutral organizations like BBC, UN, CNN, EU and Amnesty International. Also let me know how long I should wait for citations to be added.Ruchiraw 14:15, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for your comments WilyD. There appears to be consensus on what is State terrorism on the originating page. The following introduction at the top of the State terrorism page defines what is and what is not state terrorism.

State terrorism is a controversial term (see:State terrorism. Confines and definition), which means violence against civilians perpetrated by a national government or proxy state. Whether a particular act is described as "terrorism" may depend on whether the International community considers the action justified or necessary, or whether the described act is carried out as part of an armed conflict. It has to be mentioned, that the opinion of the , so called, International community cannot be defined and determined with proper neutrality. State terrorism, where applicable, may be directed toward the population or infrastructure of the state in question or towards the population of other states. Although attacks on non-combatant civilians may occur during a time of war, they are usually considered terrorism, especially if these are not attacks on the enemy's war fighting capacity (for example an industrial port). The terrorism may be carried out by the state's own forces, such as an army, police, state supported militias, or other organisations, where it is more usually called state-sponsored terrorism.Care should be taken to differentiate state terrorism from acts of violence carried out by government agents which are not specified by government policy. A murder carried out by a policeman, for example, is not considered state terrorism unless the government sanctioned the action.

As you can see , it is generally agreed that state terrorism must involve a policy of government sanctioned violence.So even low level organised incidents such as My Lai massacre and Abu Ghraib torture and prisoner abuse would qualify as state violence or war crimes (acts of violence carried out by government agents which are not specified by government policy) but not as state terrorism. As Colin Powell said , these things (civilian killings) occur in war. Every army of every nation throughout history has committed war crimes against civilians. It wouldn't be fair to say the actions of a few deranged people in its security forces constitute state terrorism. However I dont deny Black July appears to have been organised by the Sri Lanka government at the time. It has its own separate page however.Ruchiraw 15:12, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

Shall I add an introduction saying that the user should see the state terrorism page to form his own judgement as to what constitutes state terrorism. The main page users appear to be in consensus but the State terrorism in Sri Lanka page users are not. Ruchiraw 15:25, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

State terrorism

Hello, thanks for your hard work in State terrorism in Sri Lanka article. I have also organized without consensus the main article of State terrorism please take a look. Thanks RaveenS 16:49, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

I have peeled off another very volatile one. See State terrorism by United States of America. Thanks RaveenS

Thanks for your hard work see the new version State terrorism in Sri Lanka. It is in and it is because ofyour early support and encouragementRaveenS

honeybee dance language AFD

Good evening. There have been some new facts and evidence presented in the discussion since your last edit. When you have a minute, would you mind taking the time to revisit the discussion? Thanks. Rossami (talk) 22:17, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

I'm stealing your bit.

"Misplaced Pages, she be many things..." cracks me up so much that I plan on using it when I prod articles.  :) -- Merope 15:36, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

This Article is hard to write?

What does "this article is hard to write" mean? Mike33 12:44, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

Its not a "little obtuse" it is completely meaningless. You have a completely different understanding of verbum sap sapiente. Explaination saves time. it also saves you replying to missives like this. Be clear be bold EXPLAIN what you are trying to say. Mike33 13:00, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

I list the Afd purely because the amount of editors involved would take months to resolve. verbosity is not clarity, and clarity is not vague phrases:

"Keep articles for deletion is not cleanup, nor is this article is hard to write a good criterion for deletion" Mike33 13:11, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

Now this was verbose:

Given that two editors "dittoed" me, I'm not sure my sentiment was as vague as you found it. Whilst it is almost certainly the case that I could've been more precise, it ain't my natural inclination to write long essays about articles that are obvious keeps. I'm not sure it'd be possible for me to adopt a verbal style that would never confuse anyone. For what it's worth, articles for deletion is a discussion, not a vote - if it is the case that my arguments are poorly reasoned or incomprehensible, then they'll be discounted anyhow. In general, I would expect (although it may be foolish of me) for anyone reading my comments to be familiar with the rational for deletion - so I'm not sure it's all that beneficial to reiterate them in my discussion. Short and sweet can also be too short or rot your teeth - and I'm sorry if I wasn't clear enough for you - but I would worry that rehashing too much will just clutter up the discussion. WilyD 13:19, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

Retrieved from "http://en.wikipedia.org/User_talk:Mike33"

Clearly we have a misunderstanding. I have no gripes about a keep (by the way when have i ever suggested that Afd was a VOTE?). You didn't make an argument, a simple keep would have fulfilled the goal. Italic this article is hard to write implied that i made the statement. To anyone not familiar to admin parlez, it is just a meanless string of words. Editors surely "ditto"ed your Keep not this article is hard to write (see All your base are belong to us). It can't only be me, that didn't understand what you were trying to say. I am not asking for a gold bull, all i need to say is that a string of words is not necessarily as meaningful to the viewer, as it was the writer. Mike33 16:30, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

ok sweet, my apologies too. hope we meet in wikipedia in happier circumstances, your friend, Michael West Mike33 16:44, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

Spam

It's still heavily processed chopped-up meat, no matter how you serve it or waht you serve it with. Lurker 17:20, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

Comments at Talk:Canada

Was interested in your comments re: linking to message forums. My understanding is that external links should be presented only when they lead to an alternate source of information that will expand the reader's knowledge on the article in question. Is there a specific policy on links to forums? I recently debated the article on army.ca and suggested it be deleted. The result was "no consensus", but I find that most of the links in the article are to forum postings. In other words, this is a self-referential article about a web forum (non-notable, in my view) that uses its own postings as 'evidence' of some of its claims of notability, and as the sole reference to other claims such as forum membership. Is there anywere I can go to see a discussion of the use of web forums as external links and as "source" material. It's an interesting subject, and I think I may agree with your assessment that they should "never" be used as an external link but would be interested in seeing the views of others. Would also be interested in your input at the army.ca article re: the use of self-referential footnotes from the forum itself, considering the article is about the forum to begin with. At the very least, the use of an external link as a footnote to the description of every single subforum should be removed, but I find my edits are being reverted there due to personality conflicts. Would welcome your thoughts.Michael Dorosh 17:30, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

Justin Bonomo

In the AFD of that article, you 'voted' to delete because of verifiability problems. Please note that the article is now referenced, and that many more sources were discussed in the first AFD and the deletion review. Grindingteeth 22:10, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

Lists

I don't want you to get the wrong idea that I'm just going after lists for the hell of it. Like you I believe they can serve a useful purpose. I just don't think that the two we happen to ben voting on do.

I'm interested why you particularly feel that the composers list is an "obvious" keep. This isn't a challenge or a confrontation. I'm interested to know what utility it has that I'm overlooking. I'm perfectly willing to admit I could be wrong, and if I am I'd like to be enlightened. Cain Mosni 17:23, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

I have to say I'm still not getting it. As I see it you're saying that any simple list - cars, composers, aeroplanes - you name it - is perfectly legitimate. Now as I see it, that function is better served by (taking the cars as an example) - tagging the Lambourghini Countach and Ford Cortina articles with category "motor car" and using the category as your self-maintaining reference list, or indeed lists because of course you can tag any article with any number of categories (so you could have "performance cars", "production cars", blah blah), and the lists track the changes automagically. Manual lists are inherently messier, simply because they have to be changed explicitly to track article changes. It's just extra maintenance, which in the case of a simple list I don't see any benefit in for the cost of the extra effort.

Where I see lists having greater utility is in carrying secondary information (e.g. in the case of the composers the years of birth/death, although I still don't thing that the list of composers is inherently useful, not because it is incomplete but because it is so generic and will consequently likely always be incomplete, amd I don't see the dates as particularly helpful so the secondary information aspect is lost too). I only see lists as being useful when the dataset is closed, and relatively small (e.g. "Formula 1 championship drivers in 2003"). I agree with you, though, that redlinks or incompleteness alone are not necessarily reasons for article deletion. You basically said the same as I did in the argument over the singers lists - Misplaced Pages is organic, and if you deleted everything that was incomplete, there would be nothing to complete. I guess we'll just have to differ in this particular instance and await the outcome. I still can't help thinking I must be missing something.

Thanks for the discussion. Cain Mosni 22:28, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

I took a look at the featured lists, and I take your point. Nevertheless, I'd still say that useful open-ended lists are the exception, rather than the rule, and even then only when they are maintained in a state of near completeness and fully populated. Lists such as that for composers with it's high density of red links just encourages people to add still more names willy-nilly, without developing the articles, and hence without any appreciable added value. As I've already agreed, redlinks are not in themselves a bad thing, quite the reverse, but when they become the expectation rather than the exception the exercise is - purely IMO - somewhat pointless. It's at that point you need to take a step back and re-consider the worth of the thing.

As for the issue of manual effort, it's not about the effort per se, but the implications it has for maintenance and human error. The fact is that requiring said deliberate effort to maintain the integrity of the list there is more scope for error to creep in, unlike categorisation where the link is immediate, and reverse relationship is maintained as a natural part of the process. (I'm a database techie by trade, and such things bug me, particularly when there's a minimum error/effort path available.) Cain Mosni 00:47, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

Your list IS worthwhile

The list (art magazines) you created is/was up for deletion. I want you to know there is a place for it: http://wikitistics.com . No one will be able to nominate it for deletion because it fits one simple rule: it's a statistic, list, or figure. Good luck with your endeavors! Joe 18:15, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

Laura Bush

I don't know what that list said, but see Michael Dutton Douglas. --Dhartung | Talk 20:15, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

External Link

Thanks, I think I will approach RIC. Cheers. Joe 21:06, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

International Solidarity Fast for Darfur

I noted your comment on the suggested deletion page for this article which I have since completely re-written. If it is not too much trouble, please could you take a look at the reviewed version. I would welcome any suggestions as to how to further improve this article so that you would be happy to give it a Keep. LukeSurl 22:53, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

RE:Lakeport Brewing Company

Yeah, it is better sourced than probably 3/4 of the articles on here. I've no problem with the bold removal of tags I place on an article once the core problem is rectified. By the way, nice work on the article.--Isotope23 18:43, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

Yenta Claus

Article so many initially recomended deletion was edited numerous times and all objections were addressed. Web sources were added to the article and linked. Not a lot of info on the web but there are sites which are unrelated to each other and in diverse areas referencing the Yenta Claus character that appear to confirm it. There is the emergence of Jewish Holiday Mythical Characters and one of them is Yenta Claus. The new info includes a play written by a Pace University Professor where Yenta Claus is Santa's wife! --Bhires 16:56, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

Michael Brandon's jail time

I got that from . Augurr 00:03, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

North America

Why you erased my edits in the North America article?, I fixed it, or the point is that you are treating North America as Northern America, this is not a UN article, they are posted many sources where you can check or verify about the North America geography, you are using 1 source vs many sources of information, you can leave Central America and the Caribbean as an independent article, but not grouping Mexico in Central America, is so offensive.

Misplaced Pages is free information source for all the people, the current version of North America is not the most accurate, the wikipedia articles must been wrote under a neutral point of view and this article is not, I feel a hidden racism inside it. Jcmenal 14:58, 14 September 2006 (PST)

North America

Sorry WilyD. I have an automatic option to mark all my edits as minors, I didn't intend to mark this particular one as minor. I edited the page because I provided a lot of sources that cite that prove that Mexico is not often included in Central America. It is frustrating that you guys don't wanna accept it. However I'm gonna revert the edit, ok? AlexCovarrubias 17:58, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

Wily... I'm very frustrated, I don't know what else to do. I have explained all my reasons why Mexico is not considered Central American. I, as a Mexican and Latin American, am well aware of the region history and politics. Help me out Wily, I am positive I have proved all my points... Mexico can't be just listed as CA just because some others say so...

- When the UN geoscheme was created? I'm concerned about this because it seems that it doesn't reflect today's geopolitical regions. However I am very sure that Mexico was included in CA just because they couldn't leave it alone as in the most used definitions... Have you noticed how they describe North America? US, Canada, Mexico, Central America and the Caribbean... C'mon even this guy wrote that "Middle America means Mexico, CA and Caribbean". SO??
- Historically Mexico has never been considered CA. Mexico seeks independence, CA provincies didn't want to join the new republic, they preffered to be independent. They created a CA union of provinces and only one Mexican state agreed to join, Chiapas. But the Mexican government convinced the Chiapas government to join Mexico again, and they did.
- Geopolitically, well it is the same. Although both Mex and CA are not enemies, but certainly CA and Mexicans are very different.
- Geographically most of the publications of the WORLD, consider Mexico as part of the region North America or at least outside Central America, for two main reasons. One being that not all the educational systems of every country uses the "two american continents" teaching, and they divide America (continent) in North, Central and South America. The second reason is that although some geographers consider the region to begin in the Ithsmus of Tehuantepec, that only represents 10-15% of all Mexico, not enough to categorise the whole country geographically as CA.

I still cannot understand why you guys keep saying that "a lot of sources say Mexico is CA" and you have not provided the verifiable citations. At least Mexico, Central America, South America, Europe, China, India and Japan does not consider Mexico as Central American... so only because under one US/Canadian POV Mexico is Central American we are gonna list Mexico in CA? That seems very biased. I'm very aware that some Americans and Canadians like the term "North America" only to mean US and Canada only, I know it because I have been told and I have read about it. However, this is an encylopedia and the truth most prevail: North America is also a term that includes Mexico.

I'm not trying to exclude the term Northern America. All I'm trying to do is not to list Mexico in Central America for all the reasons I have cited. You guys can have the term listed, just do not list Mexico in CA. It is insulting to both Mexicans and Central Americans and, it is not the most extended meaning of the term. Help me Wily, I'm really frustrated. What else can I do to convince you guys? It seems nothing is enough. Respectfully I think you guys should understand that not only the US/Canada POV should prevail. Well, I know not all American or Canadians think the same, I know it because most of my friends are from USA, that is why I also know this is a convervative, biased POV. Please, be reasonable. At least, let's categorise alphabetically. =( A very sad, AlexCovarrubias 13:58, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

All I have to say is thank you. You made me feel that at least I'm being heard, I had the impression of being ignored. I agree not to include regions in the table, it sounds more logical to treat the issue in a separate subarticle. But I still find it, let's say weird, to include Mexico in Central America just because some publications says part of it is in Central America. Most of the publications I have consulted (only in english) list the 7 countries of Central America and add as a side note that some geographers consider 5 states of Mexico as being in Central America. I have to be really honest, that anonimous IP guy have not cite enough sources that prove Mexico is entirely considered CA. However, I'm aware that some publications treat Mexico as CA (not that I like nor I consider it smart), and we should note that in the article, but I'm concerned about this guy wanting to present this fact as the most extended, when I have proved it is not. I would never misstranslante an article in other language I can speak only to prove my points. The only countries I am 100% sure does not treat Mexico as CA, are the ones I already cited. Thanks again! AlexCovarrubias 14:36, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

Hi! I strongly encourage you to reconsider your claim of original research (at least towards me) and restore the prior content/context I added at North America. Glance at the referenced Encarta articles about North and Central America in Spanish (which I didn't add) and, perhaps coupled with an online translation, you will observe that my edits hark of the content you removed, and which corrected for omissions/POV-pushing by the person who added the references. In the end, if you think that this is original or in error, the Spanish Encarta references shouldn't be included due to nuancepossible misinterpretation. Thanks! Corticopia 16:15, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

I think you are somewhat wrong -- I am just updating and providing context for the content/links already there RE Encarta and trying to allow for a neutral perspective. My intepretation is no less original than what is already there. I am not disputing what are and not continents (and was taught in youth that there are usually seven), but I am fully aware that others believe this to not be so (e.g., one continent): the Spanish word may have a nuanced meaning, but it is what it is. As well, definitions do differ: they are not always defined by number, sometimes islands are included and sometimes they are not, I even recall my recent volume of the Oxford English Dictionary skirting (or addressing?) the issue in its continent entry by indicating "North and South America" among them.

If the main issue is in translating and interpreting foreign language references, then they shouldn't be included at all and the Spanish Encarta refs be removed. Otherwise, they promote confusion. Thanks! Corticopia 17:21, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

I understand but don't completely agree: again, I am merely trying to capture the essence of the references included ... and better than it is currently. I guess I will have to accept (in this instance) vagueness and imprecision. However, take a look/weigh in at Mexico, where some editors seem to take exception to including the country in Middle America despite a number of citations/definitions to the contrary -- Merriam-Webster, CIA. Thanks again. Corticopia 17:49, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

Ha! OK. :) Corticopia 18:19, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

Hello. Would you care to review and comment on this article? Thanks! Corticopia 21:47, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

Thanks. Actually, I have nominated it for deletion (it's a fork) -- please note that the sources listed do not support the content. Please read and weight in. Thanks! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Corticopia (talk • contribs) 10:56, 2 March 2007 (UTC).

Sorry -- habit. Corticopia 22:56, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

Again ...

Thank you for weighing in on this prior AfD. Even though an apparent consensus supported the prior AfD in some way (and the article has been deleted), this has reared its ugly head again -- please peruse and weigh in. Thanks! Corticopia 16:29, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

And elsewhere ...

If you're willing, can you please peruse/edit the intro for South America (also see the talk page)? The detail about it being a subcontinent was not added by me (and is not offensive per se), but I did tweak it to clearly indicate what prevails in English (and previously added slight detail in the 'Geography' section about America, which is where this information might be more appropriate). It needs another set of eyes, and perhaps a treatment similar to that of its northern counterpart? Merci! Corticopia 01:08, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

Hi there! When you get a moment, can you PLEASE weigh in regarding 'Mexico#Geography of Mexico', specifically the first few lines regarding its location and the propriety of mentioning that it is in Middle America? Please see the talk page: to make a long story short, it was previously agreed to be brief in the intro but to accommodate all various points of view in the geo section (middle of Americas > North America > Middle America). The discussion has since mushroomed (and I might be guilty for part of that) and I don't know where it's going. This may also be related, as you may recall, to recent edits later in that same section regarding Central America, with implications elsewhere. Corticopia 00:21, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

Comment about my essay?

You seem to think that my response "fails." Would you be so kind as to explain why it fails? JoshuaZ 18:10, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

Non-notable collectible card game players

I noticed that you recently participated in the discussion of Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Roy St. Clair (4th nomination). You may also be interested in the following discussions for the following collectible card game players:

• Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Darwin Kastle
• Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Olivier and Antoine Ruel
• Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Tommi Hovi
• Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Brian Selden
• Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Kai Budde (2nd nomination)
• Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Mike Long
• Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Magic: The Gathering people

Thank you. -- Malber (talk • contribs) 12:18, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

You may also find Talk:Roy St. Clair to be of interest. Given the reception to the professional M:TG player above, do feel that the deletion of Roy St. Clair should be overturned for consistency? I believe there may be a case for undeletion. Yamaguchi先生 18:27, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

Northern Ireland Schools

Just a quick word of praise for arguing so passionately (and clearly) about articles you have no real interest in. Exactly what Wikipedians should be doing IMO. Dodge 16:36, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Holy Redeemer High School - Southwest Detroit

Just wondering if you are going to criticize RJH for using a personal standard. JoshuaZ 00:43, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

NATO

You made a mistake. I hope you're humble enough to admit it and stop reverting. See summary of last edit. Thanks, Gustav

Finger Lakes Christian School

Kappa has posted a deletion review regarding this article, please see Misplaced Pages:Deletion review/Log/2006 September 22 if you wish to comment. Silensor 17:34, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

America

Pardon my frustration, but I am starting to feel like I have to post this message on the talk page of every user on Misplaced Pages. Misplaced Pages:Disambiguation#Links to disambiguation pages not only explains why the link should go to America (disambiguation) -- it uses this very page as the example! --Russ Blau (talk) 21:19, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

== Canadian spelling -ise -ize ==

Below is a partial list of Canadian style guides. In situations in which there is a difference between US & British spelling, none recommend -ise, several recommend -ize, some that do not specifically recommend -ize, use -ize (as in capitalize, authorize, organize) ----JimWae 22:21, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

• http://www.yorku.ca/ycom/style/sg42.html
• http://www.ucalgary.ca/external/style-guide.html
• http://www.caot.ca/default.asp?pageid=1063
• http://www.tc-forum.org/topicus/ru15spel.htm
• http://66.102.7.104/search?q=cache:iTDNSDf9STYJ:dynamic.capcollege.bc.ca/AssetFactory.aspx%3Fdid%3D27283+canada+spelling+style+guide+%2Bprogram&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=14

I'd be interested in seeing any Canadian style guides that differed from this--JimWae 22:21, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

The Oxford Dictionary of English (Second Edition) ISBN 0198610572 on the introduction page xvi says "-ise or ize? Many verbs end with the suffix ize or ise. The form -ize has been in use in English since the 16th cenyury, and, despite what some people think, it is not an Americanism. The alternative form -ise is found more commonly in British than in American English. For most verbs of this class either -ize or -ise is acceptable; this dictionary has used -ize spellings, with -ise given as an equally correct, alternative spelling." Mike33 13:59, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

Okay, I will try to someday dig up a reference on the issue, but style guides in general are not good manuals for spellings - dictionaries are (if we're to assume there's an American/British divide on ize/ise usage, then it may be obvious why style guides would recommend a choice for reasons that have nothing to do with Canadian English). Anyways, there are (semi)-authoritative sources on Canadian spelling, look for one of those instead (I've heard it suggested the english of Parlimentary transcripts may be authoritative, I wouldn't object. WilyD 15:40, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

Cogito ergo sumo

User Cogito ergo sumo was reported by me to be investigated for being the anonimous IP user that kept reverting the article North America in the past weeks. Guess what? He got blocked for being 142.150.134.57 so... anonimous IP user and Cogito were the same... AlexCovarrubias 06:44, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

Tim Hortons

Decimal10 is causing problems over at this article again. In the past, you have reverted some of his vandalism in this article (done under his IP address), and commented on the article talk page in respect of some of the issues he has raised. Therefore, if you have time, I was wondering if you would help me keep an eye out on the article. For more background, take a look at the lengthy message I have left on his talk page, which details all of his inapprorpiate behaviour (User talk:Decimal10#Your vandalism of Tim Hortons), a message he may erase (or just as likely ignore). Additional details are on Bearcat's talk page, relating to one particular issue (User talk:Bearcat#Tim Hortons). I'm just getting tired of dealing with him (he called me a "nutcase" this morning in an edit summary), and I could use a hand (not to mention some third party input, just in case I am losing perspective). Thanks. Skeezix1000 18:20, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

Some questions

As a person who collaborated with me in the initial launch of State terrorism series, 2 questions have come up. One in the State terrorism by Syria page See this Where the title itself is being questioned and here. On the second note I am not canvassing for vote at all. Simply letting you know of an issue that you were once upon a time intereted in. ThanksRaveenS 22:14, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

Footballers lists

Actually Punkmorten's nomination is pretty sound. List are only useful when they fulfill a function a category can't. There's still people who want to see all lists deleted in favor of categories, but Punkmorten clearly isn't one of them. The lists presented have no redlink, non-alphabetized ordering, nor notes attached, so what is its advantage over a category? - Mgm| 22:29, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

Hello WilyD, I suggest you go to Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/List of Belgian footballers and explain there why you call me a liar. – Elisson • T • C • 20:15, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Reply to question

Hello, and thanks for the comments! It would make for an interesting editor review indeed, with one arguing I'm too deletionist and another arguing I'm not deletionist enough! However, I can certainly respond here as well.

Being a deletionist does not by any means state that I do not believe in WP:NOT paper-we can certainly cover a wider range of subjects than Britannica, and well that we should. I also don't find all lists "odious", some are useful. On the other hand, some are useless cruft, or are set up to become so huge as to be useless. "Convicted or indicted religious leaders", however, is a clear criterion which can be populated without original research (someone was convicted/indicted or was not, that's a simple issue of fact), and the information could not be as well or better placed in an actual article. (It goes without saying that "notable" should be a silent appending to any such list-if the religious leader is not notable, (s)he shouldn't be mentioned on any such "list" either.) I also made these recommendations at the deletion debate, that the list maintainers should follow.

On the other hand, to see the type of list I do dislike, I'd send you here. It's effectively one long list of original research, and could never become anything else. I happily !voted to delete that one, and it appears that it will be. I also nominate tons of stuff for speedy on newpage patrol-unless you do that yourself, you wouldn't even believe the flood of crap that comes in some days. (Of course, even most inclusionists would agree on deleting spamvertisements or 5 pages worth of random pounding on the keyboard, but I've seen some argue even over bands that "will have a demo out within a couple months!"). I've also participated in WP:SCHOOLS3, an attempt to create and tighten up notability guidelines on schools to stop the "all schools are notable" nonsense.

In the end, I don't see deletion as an end in itself, but as a means to improve Misplaced Pages and its editors. In many cases, I've spoken with someone who started up a speedy eligible article, and it turned out that the article could be made into something decent. In many cases, in addition to improving the article, it improves the editor as well-many of them had no idea there were criteria as to what should be included and what should not! Of course, in many other cases the article was spam or pure crap and the person who wrote it is never seen again. Still, better that that stuff is gone sooner rather then later. If no one -ever- created an article that needed to be deleted, I'd be quite happy! Unfortunately, in reality, people do spam, and submit keyboard salad and autobiographies, and write on non-notable bands, and do original research-so for the foreseeable future, admins are going to keep needing that delete button.

Hope that answers your question! If I didn't answer your question or you have more, please ask away! Seraphimblade 00:58, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

pedigrees

Seeing that you have participated in things related to Romanian monarchy, you may wish to check the several genealogical trees mentioned at Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Greek pedigree of Empress Sisi. Maed 05:07, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

Jahbulon

There's yet another AfD on this article. Thought you might be interested. —Hanuman Das 14:11, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

Use Of The American Word

Why did you rv my edit? I have an account here, 100110100.198.161.33.146 16:23, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

How? I've never heard that happen, & looking at the history, you lie.198.161.33.146 16:31, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

I see. That means there's a problem with the template. Do you know how to fix it? It's not a problem on any of the pages. Something wrong with the article? Please help replace it with {{further}}, as {{see}} is deprecated.198.161.33.146 16:37, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

I've noticed you've changed the template from {{see}} to {{main}}. Does that fit better than {{see}}? A response on my talk page would be best to close. Thanks.100110100 16:47, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

Sorry, that's not how we do it here. The template must semantically fit its context. If there's a problem, please let me know; I'll make a post on the {{further}}'s talk page.100110100 16:59, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

If there's a problem with the template, then we need to address it. Now if you were perfectly happy with me replacing a template along the lines of {{crap}}, where the template would say,

For more crap, see:

then I don't think it would the template would fit it's context. Ok, sorry maybe I didn't describe the above situation well enough, but do you get me? But I tried to describe it the best I could. So do you understand my concerns? The template must fit its section.100110100 17:07, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:List of media personalities who have vandalised Misplaced Pages

It looks like the deletion police are trying to circumvent a previous AFD again. See Misplaced Pages:Miscellany for deletion/Wikipedia:List of media personalities who have vandalised Misplaced Pages. As you voted keep, could you cast your vote again? - Ta bu shi da yu 22:52, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

Heya WilyD, I'm afraid that User:Sir Nicholas de Mimsy-Porpington rolled back this message. I have rolled back again, but I'm also apologising in advance if this has caused you any disturbance or annoyance :( Please do make a comment on the MFD page if you get a chance. It was restarted in good faith, however as it was to be kept before it's a gigantic waste of everyone's time to have it restarted again. But there you are... common-sense doesn't always prevail on Misplaced Pages, I'm afraid! - Ta bu shi da yu 11:24, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

Hollywood North AFD

encyclopaedic, sourced to the extreme - I assume the nominator must be joking, right ...

No, deranged, to put it politely; "virulently hostile" might be another term. Didn't want to make that rejoinder on the AFD page. If only he'd been joking; you'd have to read the last week's worth of edits to realize the extent of the shenanigans going on around there; see my "Comment" farther up the AFD.Skookum1 19:01, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

We did tell him about WP:SNOW, but it didn't do any good...kind of ironic given his username, no?Skookum1 21:31, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

Deletion review of an AfD decision you commented on

This AfD you commented on is currently on deletion review. ~ trialsanderrors 19:14, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

Racism by country

Hi WilyD, Have a look at my comments at the bottom of talk:Racism by country. Regards Abu ali 15:20, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

Question

Regarding the recent James E. Sabow AfD, though we were on the opposite sides of opinion, I was impressed with the way your framed your argument (even if I didn't necessarily agree with it). You've been around for a while and you seem to handle yourself well. Ever considered a run for adminship?--Isotope23 20:39, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

I understand... the whole process can be rather brutal. Still, if you understand what possible hurdles you might encounter, then at least you have a leg up. The experience thing is the biggest; that (and edits) seem to be the big things everyone looks for. Per 1RR, I don't know much about that. I personally don't follow it when reverting POV, BLP concerns, etc that are added to articles (though I guess I stand pretty close to it on pure content issues). I've never seen anyone oppose on that. Your last concern is harder to gauge. If you've managed to collect a small number of active editors/admins who would probably just oppose you outright, it shouldn't be a big deal. If you have a lot, or many controversial edits... then it can be more of a problem. I don't want to name names, but if you spent some time going through past RfAs, you can see what I mean; there are candidates that have enough "auto-oppose" !votes that it hit a critical mass early on and basically torpedoed their chances. I guess that would be a personal call on your part if you think there are that many people who would oppose outright. Beyond that it does tend to cut into your article writing time, so if that is really your thing you might not even want to bother with adminship. Regardless, if you think this is not the right time I completely understand, but if you change your mind in the future, feel free to hit my talkpage.--Isotope23 21:52, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

Jyllands-Posten Muhammad cartoons controversy

Greetings, thanks for the note. I'm not sure if you are aware of it, but relative to the count of edits on that article I am the number one contributor at this point. Cheers. (→Netscott) 14:37, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

RE: North America

Greetings, and thanks for your note. Sorry about that: all of my edits are marked 'minor' by default, and I am also still getting rather used to Misplaced Pages. So, out of habit, I apologize if I've stoked any flames regarding the content, headers, etc. in that article. I will be more observant in the future, and let me know if I can somehow be of service. Quizatz Haderach 20:21, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

Understood. While I do not disagree that there are other considerations of what the continents are or in how the term America(s) may be perceived by some, I do not believe this editor can and should be able to slap on those tags without discussing and getting agreement beforehand. There are many English - and other sources - which back the current introductions (see here for North America and the same diff for South America), which seem to not figure into this editor's arguments (that is, pushing a point of view). Perhaps a case should be made at continent first, where only one source (Olympic flag) has been provided to support the argument for a single-America continent model despite others. Quizatz Haderach 21:03, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

Actually, the note at the continent article does indicate that the five Olympic rings represent five continents (not one for one exactly, but they all contain universal flag colours for all countries): Africa, America, Asia, Europe, and Oceania. Of course, I don't expect this editor to argue that Eurasia is also a single continent, or Oceania is not usually considered one. :)

As well, look closely at Answers.com - it is not a strict mirror of Misplaced Pages, as it contains extracts and content from a number of reputable publications (e.g., Encyclopaedia Britannica, Columbia Encyclopedia).

Regardless, part of my point is that there are a number of sources listed in the continent article that support the current content, without having turning things upside-down. Quizatz Haderach 21:19, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

I don't think it's a translation issue exactly, but more one of ethnocultural perception (?) -- many in Latin America do perceive America as a continent with its constituents as subcontinents; elsewhere (e.g., the UN), America is composed of two continents. In addition, I don't think Answers.com is updated as often (at least its Misplaced Pages excerpts), but the content for the other volumes is still authoritative.

Would you also care to weigh in at South America? I've gotta go soon, but will return later. Thanks. Quizatz Haderach 21:47, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

I've no real argument - I think that article can do a much better job of presenting information, hence its current tags. Anyhow, whether we're talking about North/South/Middle/Central/Anglo/Latin America etc., I think the issues and fixes (if at all) might be the same. Anyhow, I'll comment and be back later. Quizatz Haderach 22:01, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

Muhammad

Please use edit summary properly. Espacially when you are having disputed edits like this and other person have given lots of comments. I owe you a Oppose if you ever apply for WP:RFA. --- ALM 18:28, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

Issue that are under mediation and each vote result in clear 50/50 division, edit summaries do help. It is not a clear cut resolve matter. --- ALM 18:40, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

Wish to know your stand

Hello, may I know what is your stand about picture on Muhammad page. I only want that no picture goes no the top because it wrongly reflect the tradition of calligraphy and not displaying his pictures. I have references for that. You have previously said that you do not mind to remove the picture from the top? Is that right or I misunderstand you. ? --- ALM 14:39, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

Help with arbitration User:ALM_scientist/arbitration_Muhammad material. --- ALM 16:00, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

Good quote

"we're disrupting pointmaking to build an encyclopaedia", I am going to put that in my list of quotes. InBC 19:10, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

Fictitious force

I found this edit of yours very disappointing, both in the manner of its removing, but also with the edit reason given. Please do not unnecessarily insult editors and/or their contributions in this way.

http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Fictitious_force&diff=111914806&oldid=111905399

WolfKeeper 05:26, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

Mohammed strawpolls

Sorry, we accidentally started two parallel straw-polls for the same purpose simultaneously. ALM has now removed his to merge it with the other at Talk:Muhammad/images#Compromise found?. Would you mind repeating your vote there? Fut.Perf. ☼ 17:58, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

Thank you WilyD for your support. I thought initally that you are stubborn like few. But very happy to know your more. -:) --- ALM 21:11, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

American

I'm afraid your most recent comment will only inflame him more. The line has no place there and he knows it, you don't need to dignify his actions by proving the statement wrong. Doing that may just spark another tedious discussion about what "America" means.--Cúchullain /c 18:21, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

Racism by country

I need to be assured first that the edit war won't start up again once I unprotect the page. That's why admins protect pages, to stop edit wars. I recommend that you propose your idea on the talk page first, and make sure there's a consensus. Then I can unprotect the page. Khoikhoi 02:33, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

Well, I count six total reverts from Pejman, five from you, and no discussion about it on the talk page. I think that matches Misplaced Pages:Edit war. Anyways, feel free to work on the article in your sandbox for the time being. I'm not endorsing Pejman's version; I just protected the version that was there what I got there. To be honest, I haven't even read what you wrote. It doesn't matter what it was because there was still an edit war, which justified the page protection. If you have a new idea for the Iran section, leave a note on Pejman's talk page asking him what he thinks. Try to come to a compromise. Khoikhoi 05:14, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

Looking at the edit history of the page, I see both of you explaining your reverts in the edit summaries. However, it should be done on the talk page instead. The article will remain locked until a consensus is reached. If you've offered to resolve this, leave a note on Pejman's talk page. See WP:DR for more info. Khoikhoi 05:07, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

References for North America

I copied verbatim the references into Talk:North America. I understand your concern, that references should be provided and be accessible for all editors in the appropriate Talk pages. Still, I found it somewhat inappropriate simply to revert and say the claims were "highly dubious", just because the references to a true claim you might not be aware of were found in the wrong place. Cheers, --theDúnadan 16:01, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

It might not have been your intention, but your recent edit removed content from Neanderthal. Please be careful not to remove content from Misplaced Pages without a valid reason, which you should specify in the edit summary or on the article's talk page. Take a look at our welcome page to learn more about contributing to this encyclopedia. Thank you. A link to the edit I have reverted can be found here: link. If you believe this edit should not have been reverted, please contact me. Ziusudra 17:15, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

• Sarcasm I'm not really sure I need to be warned about removing vandalism from articles ... WilyD 17:18, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

--Actually you DO need to be warned (see "Hollywood North" below) - Donteatyellowsnow

Well, it was an error of mine. I apologize for the disconcerting effect it must have had on your equanimity. I believe it has something to do with VandalProof being refreshed; or perhaps I just blundered. Peace. --Ziusudra 17:27, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

Oops, it was an URL typo, there is the correct link: http://www.concacaf.com/view_article.asp?id=3744 JC 14:15, 15 March 2007 (PST)

Am I missing something? I don't see either of the words "continent" or "subcontinent" on that page. -- Jim Douglas _(contribs) 22:50, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

Bill James book

Hi, I noticed that you deleted a reference to the self-published book "Making Sense of Bill James' Statistical Nonsense" in the Bill James article. I agree that the book itself is not notable enough for its own Misplaced Pages article, but I would argue that it's notable enough to be included in this article. It's the only book-length retort to his work that I know of, and I think it's important to note. What do you think about reverting the edits? Rmj12345 17:51, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

Well, what about not deciding its notability in the baseball world and simply noting that a book-length criticism of James' works has been self-published? Rmj12345 20:24, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

Good point. Thanks! Rmj12345 20:56, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

Four points

Hi. I keep seeing references to your "four points". I've looked in Talk:Muhammad/Mediation and archives, Talk:Muhammad/images, and Talk:Muhammad and archives. Heck there is even a section header mentioning it, but I can't seem to find 'it'. Could you point it out to me? I admit that trying to review too much of the discussion at any one time makes me cross-eyed (along with other physical symptoms) so I could have simply missed it. Shenme 05:49, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

Hollywood North

Please stop. If you continue to blank out (or delete portions of) page content, templates or other materials from Misplaced Pages, you will be blocked from editing.

WARNING: Edit warring is harmful. Editors who revert a page in whole or in part more than three times in 24 hours, except in certain special circumstances, are likely to be blocked from editing.

An editor must not perform more than three reverts, in whole or in part, on a single page within a 24-hour period. A revert means undoing the actions of another editor, whether involving the same or different material each time.

If you have broken 3RR by mistake and now realize it, or if another user has left you a note on your talk page that points out that you broke 3RR, then you should revert your change back to the "other version," even though you may not like the previous version. In general, this should be enough to prevent you from being blocked, although there are no guarantees. - Donteatyellowsnow 20:03, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

In fairness to WilyD, it should be noted that the accusations listed above are baseless and should be removed. WilyD reverted wholesale POV changes a total of three times at the Hollywood North article. At no time did WilyD "continue to blank out (or delete portions of) page content", nor did he cross the 3RR "line". Please review the edit history of that article as context for this matter. --Ckatz_spy 22:02, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

Iran

I trust you mean the RfC on Iran? You're welcome, but there seems to be a barrier of unreasonable opposition to adding the country.--Mantanmoreland 04:53, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

I think outrageous that there is no section on Iran. Thanks for bringing that to my attention.--Mantanmoreland 15:37, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

The reasoning of the people opposing Iran strikes me as especially mendacious. The fact that Kurds etc are not a race strictly speaking is beside the point. Perhaps it is a definitional/semantic issue, one that should be pursued.--Mantanmoreland 15:47, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

(response on my page, just to make it consistent)

RE: Continent

Hi there. When you get a moment, can you PLEASE weigh in at Talk:Continent#Continuation? I really don't know what this editor is trying to prove. Thanks. Corticopia 10:01, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for weighing in; I've commented over there. I think you and I have similar perspectives but are approaching it differently. Anyhow, I hope this resolves fairly quickly and rather effortlessly. Thanks again!  :) Corticopia 14:29, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

Canadian or US English.

I see you edit a lot. Re this article, my question is: if American or Canadian spelling is used for a US based encyclopedia about a Canadian phenomenon. Cheers, Bellagio99 19:39, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the info. I will use Canuck English from now to describe Canadians. But do I switch half-way thru to describe Jane Jacobs and Anatol Rapoport who emigrated from US to Canada half-way thru adult life? ;-)

Bellagio99 22:40, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

69.243.29.158 (vandal)

it was obs. that he was! Talking of shooting up! That does not look like a question! Esp. on a help page! With all do respect i dont agree!--Tatshro Satou 17:55, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

fine

OK! Im the olny person who can tell a dumb jackoff from a wikieditor! So im sorry for ever doing it!--Tatshro Satou 15:59, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

Racism by country

Well, the next step would be informal mediation, I believe. I took a look at the talk page, and it appears that the only part that's being disputed is the second paragraph you're proposing. Perhaps we could unprotect the page, but only add the first paragraph for now (that is, if all parties agree). Then you could try to come to a compromise about the part about the Kurds, Azeris, etc. I can even mediate if you want. How does that sound? Khoikhoi 04:54, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

Wily: You may be interested in this:--الأهواز | Hamid | Ahwaz 17:28, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

I fully understand your predicament as I have faced the same situation on many occasions on similar articles. There are some who appear determined to quash any article or information that is critical of Iran. Misplaced Pages is not a democracy, it is about establishing all notable viewpoints in a fair and balanced manner. It is unacceptable that what is deemed "correct" or "truth" is determined by how many like-minded editors can vote in one way or another. I would strongly recommend formal mediation as I fear you may become more frustrated. I am talking from personal experience. Any mediation should be done by a neutral observer. :o) --الأهواز | Hamid | Ahwaz 17:58, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

I just thought you should be aware of the situation so you don't feel alienated by it. Feel free to put a message on my talk page to remind me of the next step you are taking in the resolution process.--الأهواز | Hamid | Ahwaz 18:19, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

(to Wily) As I said, I'm willing to unprotect the article as long as you don't restore information that is disputed by other editiors. I suggested that I could mediate, but perhaps it's better if you requested formal mediation. If that fails, then I guess I can help. Cheers, Khoikhoi 00:29, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

Are mass crimes sentiments?

Would you please convince me? Xx236 15:44, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

formal, informal or even rogue mediation,

all of them is OK to me. But formal is more OK!--Pejman47 20:04, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

RE: Proposed move of Canadian French

Hi there -- care to weigh in? Merci! Corticopia 15:07, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

Hi again -- thanks for weighing in. I encourage you to consult the talk page again (I and others have commented extensively since) -- I implore you to reconsider your support for this move. Thanks. Corticopia 01:35, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

Conflict

It's the word "conflict" that's too vague and possibly misleading, it suggest some symmetry (who attacked who actually?). I'm sure that wouldn't be difficult to find a source that support the current phrasing, but I think that is proper to have at least one.--BMF81 18:14, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

Can you give me the book details? jstor has a silly behavior with deeplinks.--BMF81 18:29, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

Thank u so much :) Btw if the book review is from a peer reviewed journal it's usually considered a better source then... the book itself. --BMF81 23:20, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

Hey Wily, I removed the fact tag from the statement. We don't need to reference that there was conflict between Indians and Europeans - it's extraordinarily obvious. If his problem is that the word "conflict" doesn't blame the colonists enough, then it's not really a problem at all, it's neutrality.--Cúchullain /c 00:26, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

Sites requiring subscription

Regarding Armenian Genocide: Misplaced Pages:External links#Sites requiring registration states: "Sites that require registration or a paid subscription should be avoided because they are of limited use to most readers. Many online newspapers require registration to access some or all of their content, while some require a subscription. Online magazines frequently require subscriptions to access their sites or for premium content. If old newspaper and magazines articles are archived, there is usually a fee for accessing them. A site that requires registration or a subscription should not be linked unless the web site itself is the topic of the article." Aecis 19:07, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

End to the bad faith issue

Please see here where Kitty states that he forced the AfD]] therefore it was not a bad faith nomination. Can you please now strike through that statement.Vintagekits 13:40, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

Re: Canada

np, I figured that is what happened :) Regards, -- Jeff3000 02:45, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

Just checking...

Did you really intended to say "Editors are blocked for punishment, but because..." instead of "Editors are not blocked for punishment, but because..." here? --Abu badali 18:58, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

Scott Tremaine

After seeing Scott Tremaine, I think you need to read less policy and write more articles. Just use your best judgement and don't edit war. WAS 4.250 04:56, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

Hello Wily, would you please give your opinion in this ? I'm trying to include the notion that North America is also a subcontinent in the single American continent model. Thanks. AlexCovarrubias 11:34, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

I am still waiting!

why you have not yet filled the mediation request, despite my consent which I declared it in your talk page? and if you are not anymore interested in that issue, I will ask the protection be removed. take care--Pejman47 20:41, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

Mediation

Thanks for the invitation, Wily. However, I am not sure that I am an involved party. Am I? I once responded to the RfC but I did not actually edit the article as best as I can recall. If I did not, and I don't think I did, perhaps I am an uninvolved party and can comment as such?--Mantanmoreland 20:55, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, Wily. I think it might be best if I make a statement as an uninvolved party.--Mantanmoreland 22:14, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

Alar Toomre

On 21 May, 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Alar Toomre, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--Aquarius • talk 01:23, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

Request for Mediation

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permissible WP:SYN

I think you are right. I think the criteria for permissible synthesis is poorly defined and not obvious at all within wiki namespace. You raise good objections at the WP:OR discussion page. If I was good at shepherding wikipolicy into effect I would start the Misplaced Pages:Synthesis wiki-essay today. MPS 01:17, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

Check it: Misplaced Pages:It's ok to use your brain... not exactly a policy but it may drive thought as the WP:SYN policy is created. Peace, MPS 03:28, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

Offer still stands

Yes, the offer still stands. I'm going to be mostly offline the next week or two, but I'll start an RFA in the next day or so and let you go over it before I submit it.--Isotope23 14:16, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

State terrorism in Sri lanka

There is a discussion to delete this article. As a part of the first nomination please contribute to this. Thanks. here

RFA

I started your RFA. Is there anything about your activities here you would like highlighted in the nom before you accept and I publish this for !voting?--Isotope23 14:00, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

OK, let me know when you are done answering the questions and I will post it up on the main RFA page.--Isotope23 14:49, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

No problem. I've added it to Misplaced Pages:Requests for adminship.--Isotope23 15:13, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

Don't sweat it... we need more admins and an admin who will take the time to actually look at something and source it if it can be done a very useful addition to the pool.--Isotope23 15:30, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

My RFA

I assume you mean tools and promotion - I'm not sure what tools and demotion would be? I become an admin and get blocked? Anyhow, you may be right that I'm too sparse in my use of edit summaries - I often forget, it's true. WilyD 19:32, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

No. I meant demotion. See here.Pedro |  Chat  19:39, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

I have change to oppose on your RfA. Sorry, and I wish you luck - no doubt my stance will not affect the outcome anyway! Meantime, Happy Editing. Pedro |  Chat  19:45, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

That's still kind of strange language - I wouldn't say demotion unless I lost my ability to be an editor/author. The implication in what I said about promotion isn't that I see adminship as a promotion, but that I inferred you see it that way. Regards WilyD 19:50, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

That's a fair comment, but I'm still of the opinion that gettng some extra tools is not a promotion. I got a spanky new laptop at work recently, with no change of job title, grade or salary. I have a new tool but no "promotion". That's why I've moved to oppose, as I really think admins should not see themselves as "better" than other editors, and your comments would indicate you feel otherwise. Sorry, and I'm sure / hope your RfA will do well without me, and if you pass you will use the tools wisely. Pedro |  Chat 

I am a bit curious where you get that I thought of adminship as a promotion - I implied (and I believe this) that it's not a demotion - after all, you still have all the powers of a (non-admin) editor. Much more like a second job in parallel. Not better, but not worse either (which is what you seem to be implying). But in the end, I definitely don't believe it's a demotion. Maybe amotion is the best term. WilyD 20:03, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

Again a very fair answer. I got the idea that you thought it was promotion as opposed to anything else from your comments just up the page - where you said "I assume you mean tools and promotion". Don't take this the wrong way but that is kind of pretty clear. Sorry, but you did say that, and as such I feel that you belive an admin is a cut above other editors here and hence my oppose. Nevertheless my repeated best wishes. Pedro |  Chat  20:09, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

Scott Tremaine and Marilyn

Hi. Picked this up from Bellagio's talk page. Is this any good as a mention of their marriage? It's from the Princeton University site - not necessarily independent, but certainly reliable I would have thought. Ref (do) 21:15, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

Oh well, I tried. I cannot find anything more clear-cut than that. They're "him and her" mentions without reference to marriage, so could be brother and sister even. And mostly in-house in some form or other. Here's the Google link I used. Good luck sourcing it. Ref (do) 21:39, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

Hi WilyD and Refsworldlee (we meet again). I just responded to WilyD's query to me on my Bellagio99 talk page where he queried me, to keep the conversation in one place (I think it's a better system). The short version here: I am a reliable source: Marilyn is a very close friend and Scott is a friend. There ain't much decent documentation, if you don't accept my word, but here is documentation from our farewell party for them, when Marilyn was still only using her pre-Tremaine name: http://www.dgp.toronto.edu/people/MarilynMantei/party.html. She later went to Marilyn Mantei Tremaine (which is how I think of her, as she is a well-known computer scientist in her own right, published under Marilyn Mantei) and later, Marilyn Tremaine.

Speaking of documentation, I wondered if the phrase saying one of the world's most outstanding scientists was overly-hyped for a non-Nobel. But I know Scott is tremendously well thought of. Bellagio99 22:09, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

I just emailed Scott to see if it is OK to list his marriage. This may be "original research" but it struck me as the best poicy given that some people wondered. And we haven't communicated in about 6 months. Bellagio99 00:50, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

Received response from Scott today. He'd prefer not to have the marriage entry, because it's anomalous as the only personal item in there.

I disagree with the policy, as marriages help make the person be what s/he is. Or as I said to a Cdn married lesbian couple yesterday, "Behind every woman is a woman";-) Bellagio99 14:50, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

Messier 102

It seems like the identity of Messier 102 will never be confirmed. At this time, the SIMBAD Astronomical Database and NASA/IPAC Extragalactic Database give differing identifications for M102. The SEDS.org webpage on M102 (http://www.seds.org/messier/m/m102d.html), which is one of the few pages from that website that I would actually use as a reference on Misplaced Pages, draws the conclusion that M102 may refer to NGC 5866. However, I would be more conservative and simply state that the identification is still ambiguous. Dr. Submillimeter 08:10, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

Afd Notice - second time around for Unsolved problems in chemistry

Unfortunately this article has again be nominated for deletion Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Unsolved problems in chemistry. I know you tried to save it the first time around. Could you please help again. --Heliumballoon 17:34, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

I can't know every single possible rule/idea that exists in wikipedia. But this article was up for deletion once and IMHO its an important article. It should never have been renominated to begin with. If you would rather not argue for its deletion because of someone else's unintentional violation of a wikipedia policy then so be it. Heliumballoon 17:47, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

Thank you

Gracias (thanks) for your suggestions on the wikipedia help desk, so I think I get it. The english wikipedia is for all things that fall into the guidelines, but have to be written in English. Generally, what is there to do around here? Francisco Tevez 16:20, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages Español isn't quite as good and as large as the English wikipedia. I find this one more open, and populated, and easy to interact with other editors too. Francisco Tevez 16:28, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

User:Jerryseinfeld

well this user could have been sugested to change his username. you can't block any user without any warning. The admin who blocked should have suggested him to change his username. he contributed wikipedia a lot and that to significantly. i think he should be unblocked. he hadn't vandalised or abused any one. Kindly reply on my talkpage if possible. thanks, Sushant gupta (talk · contribs) 05:35, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

Adminship

Congratulations, you are now an administrator! If you haven't already, now is the time look through the Misplaced Pages:Administrators' how-to guide and Misplaced Pages:Administrators' reading list. If you have any questions, feel free to ask me, or at the Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard. Warofdreams talk 14:07, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

Congratulations! Best of luck with those extra buttons. —Anas 14:11, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

You deserve it, best of luck with the tools! The Sunshine Man 14:19, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

Good luck with the mop/bucket!--Isotope23 15:05, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

Congrats. -- FayssalF - 17:27, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

I'm sorry I wasn't aware of this until now (to support, naturally.) Congratulations.Proabivouac 19:06, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

• congratulations ^_^ ITAQALLAH 20:32, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

Congrats buddy! Use 'em well! Jmlk17 06:24, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

And now for something completely different

I'd like to thank you for your help in Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/List of frivolous political parties, despite the fact that it was six months ago. Seeing the overuse of NPOV beaten back is always a worthwhile experience, and you definitely deserve an accolade for this line alone:

"like pornography, it's hard to define, but A rhinocerous as party president is one of those giveaways that makes it easy to know when you see it."

--Kizor 19:08, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

Sorry this is late

sorry this is late but, good luck with adminship Lmc169 14:43, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

Congrats

Congrats on becomeing an admin. I know you will do good for Misplaced Pages!

Politics rule 11:22, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

Illustrating List of Messier objects

Hey, I see you added some more pics to List of Messier objects. Thanks for finishing what I had started. Some of the pics I found on the corresponding Misplaced Pages articles weren't very good. Do you think it will be possible to find better ones? Carcharoth 17:31, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

I also noticed that some pics, like the one for Messier 70 are in the list but not in the article. Is there a reason for that? If not, someone at some point should put the pics in the articles as well as in the list. What do you think? Carcharoth 17:34, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

My RfA ...

Hi. Thanks for supporting my request for adminship. It was successful and I am now an admin. I also want to congratulate you on your recent successful RfA. If I can ever be of help, please let me know. Cheers, Black Falcon 06:27, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

Astronomy images

I have a couple of requests:

• Could you please add credit lines whenever the image can be attributed to someone? (You missed one with Messier 81.)
• When you upload images, could you state the following in the descriptions:
  • The website where the image came from.
  • The telescopes and instruments that were used to take the data. (It would be nice to identify the GALEX images with the telescope.)

Thank you, Dr. Submillimeter 14:46, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

The links are hard to see. You may want to use the full title or full url of the webpage, and you may want to place the link (along with an image description and credit information) above the licensing. See, for example, Image:Ngc1672.jpg. Dr. Submillimeter 14:57, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

Racism by Country

I am only interested in getting a mediation on articles that attract controversy to settle editorial conflicts. The failure of some users to take these procedures seriously should not impede this process. The fact that admins are avoiding these problems is lamentable.--الأهواز | Hamid | Ahwaz 13:59, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

BLP

"...maintaining rules because "they've always been there" when they're serving no purpose doesn't seem worthwhile." Actually, on policy pages it is worthwhile. Revert first. If you have a relevant talk thread on WT:BLP, point me there. The three points might not hang together perfectly, but the bullet serves a use because it disallows self-published claims about third parties/issues. The list from V could work as well, and might be better for synchronization. Marskell 18:31, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

At worst, it's redundancy for emphasis. At best it clarifies not using a self-published source to add tangential info. Sorry, if the last was unclear—simply pointing to V might be sufficient, because they ought to be identical anyway. Marskell 19:19, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

Your note

That provision is intended to help us avoid cruft and vanity details. Subjects have been known to add a ton of irrelevant personal detail to their websites so they can add it to their Misplaced Pages article, and you end up with a running commentary on their likes and dislikes, which can change from week to week, as though we were their personal news agency. :-) SlimVirgin 19:00, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

It's not so much about establishing the notability via self-published sources; it's just that SPS material should be strictly on-topic. As always, policies are to be interpreted with common sense. What wording did you have in mind? SlimVirgin 19:34, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

Commentary?

Hello; thanks for your note. I'm unsure if you want to weigh in at all there, but please do if compelled to. Thanks. Corticopia 05:29, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for your advocacy and counsel: I am surprised I have even commented as much as I have. ;) TTYL. Corticopia 17:57, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

What does OR mean?

Just wondering what OR means and what it has to do with why you reverted my edits on the Conservapedia article. MartinJoh00 19:07, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

So if I write an article with the same informtion and it is published in the New York Times it would be acceptable to mention it? MartinJoh00 19:17, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

I'm confused. 14 of the citations for the Conservapedia article refer to Conservapedia entries, many of which are used as the only reference for statements in the article. Why do you remove my entry but not entries such as "The policing of articles is accomplished by Andrew Schlafly himself and 28 additional sysops. Throughout March 2007, this small group had numerous problems preserving the creationist viewpoint of Conservapedia, since the majority of the site's dedicated editors disagrees with their goal of censoring non-creationist viewpoints, and edit accordingly."? MartinJoh00 17:27, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

Help

How can you support adding Muhammad picture nude. I hope I am wrong? If they have to add a non-Muslim image then they could remove one Muslim image so that number of pictures remain same. Adding nude picture is so wrong. Will you help in removing the nude picture? --- A. L. M. 08:30, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

Protection of Muhammad

You improperly protected Muhammad since you did not change the template from semi-protected to protected. Please fix this. I also believe the burden of proof should have been upon those seeking to censor material. I'm not sure we need to go through this protection charade every time an image is added to the page. Most of the dissent is from those entirely opposed to any image of Muhammad being displayed, and it should be up to them to prove this historical picture merits censorship. Talmage 21:47, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

No problem, just wanted to remind you while you're still flexing your new admin muscles. :) Talmage 05:30, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

DYK

On 24 June, 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Henri Manuel, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--Carabinieri 23:14, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

That's because you ignorant GRINGOS don't know sh*t about the world.

Don't be stupid, be reasonable. I forgive you.

I have a elementary school question for you:

How many continents are there in planet Earth?

I hope the answer is 6, not 7, you naive creature.

America (ONE CONTINENT), Europe, Africa, Asia, Australia, and Antartica.

I am not saying Central America is a continent.

I am saying that N and S America are not two separate continents. It is one continent!

Define, then, part of which continent is Guatemala, El Salvador, Costa Rica, Panama, etc? North or South?

Central America!

And what is Central America part of? North? South? None of the above!!!

Oh my God. I can't believe this.

Are you saying I have lived in North America all my life without knowing it? WOW.

And why does it appear as part of South America in many world maps? Because it is also wrong!

And by the way, Toronto.... USA, same sh*t.

Block

No block! However, given Deskana's comments, perhaps this is not a bad thing. At this point I'm more curious than anything, I have been blocked in the past, but my block log special page does not appear to register it. Am I on the correct page? WLU 15:26, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

Ah, gracias. I think your block time re-defined the expression 'slap on the wrist' but the discussion has clarified things for me as much as an actual block would. Much obliged. WLU 15:52, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

Exactly - public disclosure demonstrates my comprehension of my actions and that it has indeed been dealt with or seen an 'official' response. This is more public disclosure than actual punishment. Just like this response is. And now I cease to bother you, thanks for your comments. WLU

Neanderthals

Whoops, didn't notice I wasn't signed in when I edited the neanderthal page. Anyway, the reference was very helpful, but I can only access the abstract of that paper without an account. Does the main body of the paper specify rodeo clowns? The abstract only says rodeo performers, which most likely refers to the people that actually do ride/rope/etc. the animals. If it doesn't say clowns, the article should be changed to read "rodeo performers" instead of clowns. If it does specify clowns (and it appears that the author was using the term "rodeo clown" correctly), then it should probably say that that's evidence that Neanderthals hunted animals at close range using hand weapons, but not that they jumped on or wrestled them. Riding bulls and clowning are different, though related professions, with distinct injury patterns. Arrkhal 22:02, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

Editor review

Hi there, I was wondering if you might have any comments at Misplaced Pages:Editor review/TimVickers. Thanks, if you have time. Tim Vickers 22:51, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

This was one of the more challenging disputes I have come across, and I don't think I handled as well as I could have. I was hoping for pointers on how to handle any similarly difficult situations better in the future. Tim Vickers 23:04, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

Not beating myself up, just looking for suggestions on how I could avoid or defuse such situations in the future. Thanks for the comments. Tim Vickers 23:39, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

height &...

Let me know if you want pdfs of any of those articles e-mailing to you... Cheers, Pete.Hurd 01:04, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

"In Soviet Canuckistan..." Man!, I almost bust a gut laughing! Plus you might get to join User:Trialsanderrors in the honour role of editors that have been accused of being my sockpuppets (there's even a special barnstar...) Cheers, Pete.Hurd 01:56, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, (and nice work on the article), Cheers, Pete.Hurd 22:21, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

Veganism and....

WileyD.. I just wanted to try to respond here, since I have had no luck getting anyone to look at the case concerning the veganism pages seriously. If you're someone who cares about the quality of Misplaced Pages more than the current expression of its guidelines (as I am), I hope you'll agree that not having a page like that link to _any_ kind of contrary information is a sheer failure in your duty to the public. It would be like the suicide page not containing a link to the prevention hotline, or the Drug page going on about how great heroin is without ever mentioning the other side.

I need someone to understand what I'm saying - to see that SlimVirgin and some of these other editors are partisans, and that in general the rules aren't what matters here. It's not even labeled as a controversial or potentially imbalanced page! The editors won't let me add even and EMPTY opposing/alternative viewpoints section. This isn't a situation that they are empowered to solve; I need someone to look at the issue with a sharper eye for the needs of society and the complexities of this issue. Wikipeda is too important in the modern world to let this issue vanish because I'm not a senior editor or an academic.

The main thing is, it's not even a subject for debate I want added - it's just that animals don't do anything except sit around and eat in feedlots. That's what a feedlot is, literally, and that fact alone changed my life! But it took me years to find, because of the expression "factory farm" and the rhetoric vegans choose and propogate. And I feel I am very remiss in my duties to the world if I leave wikipedia in this state.

Can you help me, somehow? Please? Repeat2341 03:43, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

Re: Adminship

I've thought about it, but I've been engaged in a long and bitter dispute with a particularly intrangegent user, and it has taught me the hard way that dealing with Wiki rule breakers is not fun. I don't particularly want to end up the monster in every crank's closet. It's hard enough to explain to people the concept of neutrality, but if they don't want to hear it, it becomes impossible. Thanks for offering though. Serendipodous 17:36, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

3RR rule

Perhaps you should read it also.01001 21:24, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

You are an admins. I hope you realize that Misplaced Pages has some very serious policy problems or you are part of the problem.01001 21:33, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

It is disheartening that you being an admins do not see that Misplaced Pages policy does not work in theory or practice. I would hope that somehow policy could be improved but if those in power do not even see the forest through the trees I guess this is not likely.01001 05:06, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

Take a look at two changes ... to the intro and risks

I repaired the Intro ... immediately reverted by Avraham. You can guess his affiliation. Look at his comment in history. Please compare the two versions.

And then Jakew reverts fixes to Risks. Please compare the two versions.

No attempt was made to discuss. Both repairs drew on prior consensus.

I entered the intro and risks repairs separately, so you can compare. Then I put in the honest version (which needs lots of work, taken from a prior consensus).

Bring in other help? There are five members of the cabal. The Topic is ridiculous and bad for Wiki.TipPt 17:54, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

Monarchy in Canada

Please do not revert Monarchy in Canada again, as you will violate WP:3RR if you do. --Son 20:01, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

Regarding your comments about this on my talk-page, the part about the content of the source belongs on the talk-page of the article. The personal-advice part comes across as no better than a pissy jab that does not rightly belong anywhere in Misplaced Pages, and impression strengthened by the gratuitous abuse of the edit-summary likewise. The assumption I made was only natural, even if mistaken. Please aim for a less personal, more matter-of-fact tone in any future communications with me and (preferably) with other editors. -- Lonewolf BC 20:41, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

British Monarchy

You may be interested to know that Lonewolf is attempting to insert a similar POV that the Commonwealth Realms are not in a personal union relationship at British monarchy. You seem to have a good grasp on the facts; perhaps you'd like to weigh in. Cheers. --G2bambino 21:53, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

Oh, I didn't intend to "recruit" you in any way; it just seemed from Monarchy in Canada that you had an issue with Lonewolf's contention against the personal union idea. If it came across differently, I apologise. New information is, of course, always welcome. --G2bambino 21:59, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

Poker slang

Wily - Can I ask you to reconsider your closure at Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/List of slang names for poker hands. As I count it, there are 6 votes to delete and 2 votes to keep. Both editors who voted keep really failed to address the concerns raised by the delete voters and also both refused to engage in discussion regarding their attitudes (something I think warrants discounting their opinions, since it is impossible to reach consensus without discussion). --best, kevin 17:16, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

You should be aware that this article has been renominated for deletion at Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/List of slang names for poker hands (2nd nomination): "Closing admin ignored strong consensus for deletion, and inappropriately editorialized an advocacy position counter to the consensus"... Λυδαcιτγ 23:29, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

Hey. Just a note, the shift to DRV is not a reflection on you. I as well saw no consensus for any action - as far as I am concerned, you acted correctly. --Dennis The Tiger (Rawr and stuff) 20:46, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

British Monarchy mediation page

Replying to your comment here (I didn't want to clutter that page any further, since it's not really the right venue for such discussion):

I agree with most of what you're saying, however there a couple of areas where we diverge: firstly, G2bambino clearly is involved in edit wars in order to ensure that his own POV remains - in this article it's his POV regarding the meaning of phrases like, "the British monarch" and he's hit 3RR twice in the last two days trying to defend that (and again on July 6, before the page was protected). Meanwhile, as far as I can see, everyone else involved in the discussion about it disagrees with those reversions. That's a problem in my view, not just because consensus is being disrespected, but also because repeated reverts up to, but not in breach of 3RR is itself considered a policy violation: as WP:3RR states, "The rule does not convey an entitlement to revert three times each day...Editors may still be blocked even if they have not made more than three reverts in any given 24 hour period, if their behavior is clearly disruptive". (He's not the only one, of course, but that shouldn't diminish his responsibility.)
Regarding being pedantic, obviously it's no crime for a person to be pedantic, but pedantic edits can become a serious problem since they tend to detract from the quality of the article. G2bambino's edits to this one form a good example of that: as far as I can tell, he has become so fixated on defending his interpretation of what "British monarch" (and similar phrases) means, that he seems to not be able to see that even if the phrase is as problematic as he claims, any ambiguity has been eliminated by the context in which it has been used. It's a case of being unable to see the forest for the trees, I think.
Regards, Hux 11:05, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

Bridgemark logo

I'm afraid I must respectfully disagree that there is any valid fair use rationale for a copyrighted reproduction of a logo when we could get a free one. Maybe we can ask the copyright holder to release it under the GFDL? Anyway, if you want to undelete the GIF and clean it up, I have no problem with that. There is an ongoing debate over such matters; another example is when someone uploads a copyright map to a military history article. Since it is possible for someone to draw a map and release it under a free license, the copyright map almost always gets deleted. I tend to fall on the side of removing the copyrighted material whenever possible. Spike Wilbury ♫ talk 19:34, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

If you don't mind, I'd like to get a third opinion from Quadell, as he has quite a bit of experience with image copyright. --Spike Wilbury ♫ talk 19:39, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

Advice

Thanks for your comments. Just so you understand, I've been through situations like this before at Misplaced Pages, but this time it seems like no other editors/admins are stepping up to deal with TharkunColl; hence, I probably come across looking like an edit warrior because I'm the only one taking the guy on - at British monarchy, that is. Of course, you were of great help at Monarchy in Canada. We'll see how things progess tomorrow. Cheers. --G2bambino 22:31, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

Please bear in mind that it is you who are reverting against consensus, not me. TharkunColl 22:36, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

I'm fairly sure evert revert I've made has been supported by a consensus, so I'm not sure how to keep this in mind. Cheers, WilyD 22:37, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

Sorry, I was talking to G2bambino. Should have made that clear. TharkunColl 22:38, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

DYK

On July 17, 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article William Leybourn, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Well done and you have earnt yourself the pictured slot. Blnguyen (bananabucket) 05:43, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

Poker slang redux

Wily - I moved all of the relevant entries to wiktionary and speedied List of slang names for poker hands. I had posted a note at DRV asking if anyone objected, no one did. I also expressed my intentions at Talk:List of slang names for poker hands, no one objected there either. I think this is a solution amenable to everyone. Let me know if you have any concerns. Thanks for your help, and sorry for any headaches. --best, kevin 01:57, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

User:Ramzk001

Hi WilyD, User:Funnypop12/User:Albertbrown80 is back as User:Ramzk001. Contribs are identical.Proabivouac 09:00, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

User:Sarah Goldberg

I softblocked this username, because it was an account which was being shared by several editors, against policy. Autoblock was didabled, so creating a different username is acceptable. Her pages have been altered since I was there, making this difficult to track. --Anthony.bradbury 20:15, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

Racism in Iran

What happened with the racism in Iran section? There are sections on Niger and Ivory Coast, but Iran appears to be uniquely devoid of any racism.--الأهواز | Hamid | Ahwaz 11:59, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

I am certain that if I add anything on Iran, it will be immediately reverted. So I will wait until the Iran section is being developed and work in co-operation with others, rather than just end up in an edit war. It is better that a team of people work together and seek some sort of agreement on this section.--الأهواز | Hamid | Ahwaz 15:29, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

Faith Fenton

On 21 July, 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Faith Fenton, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--GeeJo ⁄_(c) • 15:05, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

Wye Marsh

On 21 July, 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Wye Marsh, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--GeeJo ⁄_(c) • 22:41, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

Rhinoceros Party

*laugh* Nice image choices. Shame that we can't even find an image of the party's actual logo, though. Bearcat 22:53, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

RE: archiving

Hello! Thank you for weighing in and for your counsel. Yes: it is most frustrating to be harassed by these editors for not what. I must learn to ignore, but this admittedly becomes difficult when my actions are not the root of the problem and others just seem to be sh*t-disturbing or getting involved in issues which really do not involve them -- you can probably guess which editors I am referring to. In any event, I will be vigilant in enhancing my Wikiquette. Thanks again! Corticopia 05:39, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

Rhinos r us

There isn't a copyright notice for the photo itself, just for the whole article. One could conceivably contact those copyright holders to find out who has the copyright on the photo, but given the typical lifespan of a rhino, Cornelius has to be either dead or close to it by now, so we might be able to make a legitimate fair use claim. Bearcat 21:47, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

2005 and lack of civility

Just saw the whole "list of poker terms" fiasco that transpired. I had been attempting to help with the editing of that page previously, however dealing with 2005 proved to be impossible. I saw he was rude to you as well and thought I'd drop you a line to see what is usually done about editors such as himself. In every interaction of his that I've seen he's utterly classless. Natster237`

perhaps I should just forward him lol Natster237 02:51, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

(Insert witty headline)

Yo. I was not involved with Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Charlotte Cleverley-Bisman, but I still thank you for providing an elaborate, well-thought-out and reasonable explanation for your decision. One too many times I've taken part in an elaborate prolonged debate that finished with: "The result was delete. --~~~~". You rule. --Kizor 22:49, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

A request

Hello, Wily. I gather that you know a bit about Flickr and photographs. let me first say I know NOTHING about either.

Now, I would be most grateful if you can help with a special request. I have posted it on the Wikimedia commons Help Desk.

basically, could you please upload this image ASAP from Flickr into Wikimedia Commons. I wish to then upload it into Trooping the Colour, which I've largely contributed to and continue to edit.

(it is free license , attribution requested)

and entitle it: "Massed Mounted Band, Trooping the Colour, 16 June 2007" (NB - I believe it is this year, but please check on uploading.

Your help will be so appreciated. Immediate action would be great. I want to add it in right away if possible.

You can answer to my talk page or here.

 --FClef  (talk) 23:06, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

Strange indeed

I was just looking at something:

• Image:1 Train (1967-1979).png - fair use image I removed
• Image:NYCS-bull-trans-1.svg - image on commons presumed public domain

This is why I thought both were fair use. But something isn't right here... — Moe ε 16:39, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

Personally what I'm thinking is Image:1 Train (1967-1979).png really isn't fair use. I'll bring it to the media copyrights department for questioning.. — Moe ε 16:53, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

Image Question

Hi,I put up the Nizah Morris article and saw the note about adding a picture. I have a picture of Nizah Morris as well as pictures of other hate crime victims I'm slowly adding to Misplaced Pages. I was reluctant to put up a picture, though, because I was afraid of violating Misplaced Pages guidelines and thus getting the article itself deleted. I'm not sure that any of the pictures I have are public domain, etc. And in some I'm not sure of the original source.

How do I go about adding pictures without violating guidelines?

TerranceDC 17:24, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

Subst

I always subst it when adding it to new user talk pages, SqueakBox 22:11, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

Okay, I was somewhat concerned you didnt like the template content but I see that wasnt the case, SqueakBox 22:18, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

AMERICAN

As an administrator, u should invite to the discussion page everyone who wish to expose in an eciclopedic way the facts of a matter, that's the only neutral way to set an article and please read twice my colaboration in this specific article, if you refuse my colaboration, then u wouldn't be as democratic and neutral as you suposed to be as an administrator. One of the rules in Misplaced Pages is in fact to set an article based on a democratic consultation keeping these points:

• Misplaced Pages:Verifiability
• Misplaced Pages:Neutral point of view
• Misplaced Pages:Do not disrupt Misplaced Pages to illustrate a point
• Misplaced Pages:Assume good faith
• Misplaced Pages:Civility

Thank You. --Raveonpraghga 23:01, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

Commons

Are you maybe user WilyD on commons which is speaking about transparent socks ? I really do not believe in that but ....--Rjecina 21:32, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

Yes I have called few users :)) Only thing which is interesting to me why you think that users are making copy of other users opinions ? If map is false what they need to say ? Creator of this map know what he need to do so that map will be OK for wiki (show territory under occupation in different color). Only problem is that he do not want to make change. If you are wish to loose more time with our Balcan nationalistic problems you need to look map Serbia02.png. In next month or two I or somebody else will give demand for deleting on commons. Reason map is misleading because is showing Serbian Principality in blue and it is showing Austrian province Voivodship of Serbia and Tamiš banat in blue. I will like you comment if this map is misleading or not. --Rjecina 22:37, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

Thank You !

Dear Wily. Thanks for importing the picture to Trooping the Colour. I think you will be pleased with the use to which it is put. I am considering two other articles (both short and relatively uncomplicated), which will need an image or 2, and will contact you again in due course. Many thanks again. --FClef (talk) 12:01, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

August 4 DYK

On 4 August, 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Kathleen Parlow, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--Andrew c  11:49, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

Éva Gauthier

On 6 August, 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Éva Gauthier, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--GeeJo ⁄_(c) • 21:04, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

Re: Toronto Meetup

TORONTO MEETUP NOTICE
	Hello WilyD, I saw you name on the Wikiproject Toronto page and I would like to inform you about a Wiki Meetup that is being organized. If you are interested, feel free to add your input on the Toronto Meetup talk page. Regards, Nat Tang

Sorry

I didn't try to replace it. When I uploaded it it uploaded there. Sorry SLSB talk • contrib 14:30, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

I Think I Mistook A Good External Link For Linkspam

I recently just made edit, reverting a link placed by User:Encycloar, thinking it's linkspam. Then looking at the user's contribs I'm having doubts? Is it linkspam or did I make a mistake? -WarthogDemon 20:24, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

Okay, I put it back and told the user about it. Thanks. :) -WarthogDemon 20:31, 8 August 2007 (UTC)