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I HAVE BEEN BLOCKED UNFAIRLY BY AN ADMINISTRATOR I NEVER HEARD OF

I require assistance, as this (Chinese) party has not replied to my email. Grounds are a (spurious) "Suspected proxy", whatever that is. <address removed> DonPevsner Concorde — Preceding unsigned comment added by 4.68.248.214 (talk • contribs) 14:48, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

See WP:NOP Thanks! Gscshoyru 14:50, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

The IP address that you made this request from appears to hav a clean block log.. However, if you are convinced that redress is needed here, you can use WP:RFU to make your case. Hope this helps. --Aarktica 19:17, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

Which account was blocked? Obviously, it wasn't the IP, since you can edit with it, but saying which account it was will help us help you. Giggy 22:27, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

UechiRyu Information

Hello from Okinawa.

On 02 July I posted a question to Shikai Shaw on both of his talk pages but have not received a reply regarding the source of his information.

Here is my post; it's self-explanatory. I only wish to find the source of an apparent leak of my unpublished ms extract.

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Info regarding kata names, etc Hello from Okinawa.

I wondered - where did you get the information regarding meanings of kata names, etc.? Most of it is from my personal writings and essays, much of it word for word.

How did it come to you?

Actually, I don't mind it being posted as alternate meaning or supplemental information; I am just puzzled about the source. I didn't share that with many people, and the Zankai is the only UechiRyu association or style that uses these meanings.

If you prefer, you may post to me privately.

<<removed e-mail>>

Regards to all,

Seizan 21:16, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

Seizan 23:15, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

Well, if it is unpublished, no one can use it. If anyone posts OR material, it is unverifiable (as distinct from merely unverified) and can be reverted. You would be within your rights to remove the material from whatever article is involved, though in light of your position, it may be better if you provide the necessary details here for a neutral party to attend to it. This will reduce the risk of conflict. Adrian M. H. 00:56, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

There is a forum for discussing articles with copyright problems on WP. Perhaps the audience there can amend the article to avoid any plagiarism pointed out... --Aarktica 17:20, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

Sam Harris (author)

To whom it may concern,

I would like to request an outside opinion on the style and content of the article on Sam Harris (author) and on the conflict of interest concerns I have re Laurence Boyce and his relationship with Sam Harris, the subject of said article. More details below:

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Harris is a notable public intellectual because of criticism of religion, specifically Islam in the post 9/11 context. He has argued that Islam is the greatest threat to world peace of all religions and drawn specific conclusions from this in regard ethics, law and foreign policy.

A while back I came across an article by Sam Harris which advocated torture and "ethnic profiling" for Muslims in the context of the "war on terror". As I began to read more of Harris' work I went to his Misplaced Pages page to get a bit more background on him. I found that the page made no mention of his biography or controversial views on human rights issues and his support for torture and ethnic/racial profiling, which in my opinion are extremely relevant to any assessment of his ideas given that he has argued for differential/discriminatory treatment of Muslims and other groups based on their aleged moral inferiority and violent ideology.

I therfore edited the page to include more detail about the context for Harri's critical reception, his positions regarding Islam, the war on terror, torture and racial profiling with quotes from the articles where he takes positions on these matters.

Initially this brought me into a dispute with the self appointed editor of the page who deleted my additions on the basis that they used quotes excessively and or that my additions were POV biased, even though, in my opinion, everything I added was based on what Harris has said in print, from which I deliberately did not star, hence my use of direct quotes. Finally Laurence agreed to incorporate my contributions into the article, but his edit was very Weasel worded, de-emphasizing Harris' position on torture and ethnic/racial profiling a and removing quotes that distinguished what were allegations made by Harris from more verifiable evidence.

For instance, in the subsection on Islam, Lawrence's edit to my original contribution reads as follows: “Muslims must be prepared to accept ethnic profiling as a tool in the fight against terrorism, so long as adherence to Islam remains a statistical predictor of terrorist behavior.” However, by removing the quotations I contributed from the The Huffington Post article that is the source here, his edit implies that it is a fact, independent of Harris’ unsupported assertion, that adherence to Islam remains a statistical predictor of terrorist behaviour, and this is at the very least a matter of controversy. The whole article is similarly skewed and were I to attempt a rewrite of it to correct them all I would surely provoke an edit war with Lawrence which I have no energy for.

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I am concerned that Laurence Boyce is taking direction from Sam Harris himself. Lawrence as been preventing anyone from updating the article with biographical information that is already in the public record on the basis that Harris himself has personally asked Lawrence to do so on the basis of security conserns. I do sympathize with such concerns if they are legitimate but then again, I think that it goes too far to completely remove all biographical information. We don't need his home address or day-to-day whereabouts but some context would be appropriate in my opinion. Lawrence's position is that he is not acting improperly but I think its not very kosher to have the subject of a wikipedia page directing contributors regarding what can and can not be included in said article, especially when said contributor seems to feel he has the some proprietary authority over the page.

When I asked Lawrence to explane his relationship to Harris he got abusive calling me a "knob end" and a "cock". Generally he has never assumed good faith on my part and has been quite belligerent and dismissive of my contributions. Am I being unreasonable here? Does the page and this user's conduct seem appropriate to you?

See: Talk:Sam Harris (author)

Thanks, --Betamod 08:08, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

Hi, Betamod: I don't have time to check your concerns in depth, but I'll offer some suggestions. First, you could tag the article with the template requesting evaluation for neutrality per Misplaced Pages:Neutrality_templates. Next, you could open a request for comment on the article, citing WP:CIV, WP:COI, WP:MEAT, WP:NPOV, WP:OWN, etc. I'm sure others will have more feedback. Anchoress 09:19, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

If you tag it, be sure to open a dialogue on the talk page if you have not already done so. Adrian M. H. 10:48, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for your advice Anchoress and Adrian M. H.. I have also posted some requests on relevant project pages for 3rd parties to contribute so we shall see what unfolds. At the very least I think the article could benefit from some fresh perspectives. I would prefer to weigh in again, if need be, after some 3rd parties have had a chance to contribute. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Betamod (talk • contribs) 17:56, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

Posting Music Chart Information

Hello

My name is Rafel Corbi. I am the Managing Director of the European Country Music Association. This organization takes care since 1996 of the weekly compilation of the Pan-European Top-100 Country Music Radio Chart (view www.europeancma.com). They are considered as the official country music singles chart for Europe, with 200 hundred stations and DJ's reporting us from 14 different european countries.

I've been trying for months to update your charting information for country artists with the positions they have obtained in Europe too. I feel this is a very interesting information as Europe is the largest music market in the world.

However, anytime I or any of my assistants update a page with that information, in less than a week all this information dissapears.

I wonder what's happening and if somebody doesn't like this info, cause in other music formats there's info about UK, Japan and other countries charts. Why not with country music????

Please let me know what happens.

Pages as Pam Tillis, Kenny Chesney, Keith Urban, Tracy Lawrence, have been updated and the information dropped.

Yours, Rafel Corbi <address removed> — Preceding unsigned comment added by rafelcorbi (talk • contribs) 17:34, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

It appears that you need support in establishing notability for your association. Many editors have an allergy to conflicts of interest — both real and perceived. Planting links to your website probably triggered the reversions you mentioned.

Speaking of which, do you know if there was any explanation given (either as edit summaries or posts on talk pages) for the reversions? I doubt that your edits were undone using flimsy arguments.

In any event, I would suggest contacting members of WP:COUNTRY — a community of Country music enthusiasts. They may be able to help you further regarding this matter. Hope this helps. --Aarktica 18:26, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

"Many editors have an allergy to conflicts of interest" – that would explain the sneezing and watery eyes that I get sometimes! I just thought it was hay fever. Anyway, as my fellow EA respondent wrote, ELs are usually treated strictly because they can sometimes ring alarm bells. COI is a serious issue, because it can undermine the pillar that is neutrality. Another vital policy is that of verifiability, which requires that material be verifiable with suitable independent sources (and preferably actually verified by them with citations). I have not had the time to check whether your additions were referenced, but if they were not, or they used a primary or unreliable source, then that would have been a reason. Adrian M. H. 18:56, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

Posting "rules" and guidelines

Hi there,

I recently created an article as a means of information about a web development company / collaboration of freelancers. ( http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Digitalvibe&action=edit )

Whilst I appreciate "blatant advertising" is against the rules, the article in question was not in any way indicating marketing spiel, sales pitches, or advertising of any kind. The article DID include a company bio, and a list of products and services along with company structure information.

I'm at a loss as to why this article was deleted, however have noticed that the person responsible for its deletion (user Kww) has been questioned by other users regarding his extreme approach. I appreciate that it is a tricky subject to cover, however feel in this case that I have become a victim of "the shady grey".

In a nutshell, I would like an explanation as to why this article was removed, when other similar articles (one of which i used as a base for the design) still exist.

It seems ridiculous that an entry listing company information would be deleted when there is no attempt at marketing bias in the article, although admittedly it was written by a company member.

Thanks in advance,

Digitalvibe 18:33, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

The "company bio and list of products and services" may have had a lot to with it. I would also like to point out, in case you have seen any of the sub-standard CORP articles that float around on WP as victims of the backlog, that the standard is higher than it may sometimes appear to be. If you follow the wikilink, you will always see the deletion log entry where appicable: DigitalVibe. Please also take as much time as you need to read the pages the are linked from your talk page; many of them are in some way relevant to this kind of issue. Adrian M. H. 18:44, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

Problem with editing

Hello, I am one of the editors for the biography of Raul Julia Levy. I have repeatedly had to come in and change this profile to its original content - only to find that certain individuals that having nothing to do with Raul Julia Levy, constantly changing this page and writing untruths.

I am sending you the corrected version and I would like to know how we can prevent this from happening. This is hurting another person's life and is not right at all.

Thank you.

Below you will find the proper biography that should be posted under Mr. Levy's page:

Julia-Levy was born into one of the most powerful families in Mexico. He is the grandson of the clothing tycoon Abraham Levy, who died when Julia-Levy was 16. In 1989 Latin America's premier national money investing publication, El Financiero, established that Latin America was being ruled by eight families. The list consisted of Carlos Slim Helú (Mexico), Jerónimo Arango (Mexico), Ricardo Salinas Pliego and family (Mexico), Jorge Paulo Lemann (Brazil), Joseph and Moise Safra (Brazil), Gustavo Cisneros and family (Venezuela), Lorenzo Mendoza and family (Venezuela), and Abraham Levy and family (Mexico). Abraham Levy had only one daughter, Margaret Levy, who at a young age became the sole matriarch of the prominent family who comes from 'old money'. The living descendants of Abraham Levy are his daughter Margaret Levy and her children: Raul Julia-Levy (1971), Elizabeth Levy (1974), Mexican attorney and politicianJose Martin Levy (1977), Betty Levy (1978), Mexican veterinarian Richard Levy (1979), Mexican architect Carlos Levy (1980). The Levy family's presence continues to be influential throughout Latin America. Along with his brother Jose Levy, Julia-Levy established a foundation to provide scholarships to select indigenous groups throughout Mexico. The National Foundation for the Education of the Indigenous will work through the United Nations beginning in January 2007. According to a CNN report on November 5, 2002, Raul Julia-Levy, whose legal name is Raul Julia, Jr., was responsible for organizing an elite group of individuals to attend the inauguration of Mexican President Vicente Fox. The list includes: Hollywood film producer David Permut, Cuban President Fidel Castro and his brother Raúl Castro, Venezuelan President Hugo Chávez, the United Kingdom's Queen Elizabeth II, Polish politician and leader Lech Wałęsa and other northern hemisphere and Latin American dignitaries. According to Reforma, Mexico's leading newspaper, Raul Julia-Levy participated in an event on Sunday, December 3, 2000 where newly elected Mexican President Vicente Fox met with prominent leaders such as President of Poland Lech Wałęsa, President of Ireland and United Nations High Commissioner for Human Rights Mary Robinson, Venezuelan President Hugo Chávez, Mexican Congresswoman Ofelia Medina, Bill Gates, Banamex President Roberto Hernández Ramírez, Alfredo Harp Helú, Mexican Congresswoman Viola Trigo, Hollywood producer David Permut and Oaxaca Governor Jose Murat to address how to provide shelter and educational opportunities to indigenous pewople from the state of Oaxaca. The El Mundo al Dia newpaper reported on Thursday, August 2, 2001, Julia-Levy was invited by President Vicente Fox and Congresswoman Viola Trigo to participate in Yucatan's newly elected governor Patricio Patron Laviada's inauguration. Attending the inauguration as Julia-Levy's guests were actor Forest Whitaker, Damon Whitaker, Bokeem Woodbine who is known as Fathead Newman in the movie Ray, Canadian actor Leila Johnson, senator Viola Triggo, Mexican businessman Pablo Sauma who owns the largest fleet of oil ships leased to Pemex, and Nicaraguan's former president Daniel Ortega. In November 2006, Mexican president-elect Felipe de Jesús Calderón Hinojosa via Secretary of Agriculture Ricardo Sheffield Padilla invited Raul Julia-Levy, Sean Penn, Jean Claude Van Damme and Hollywood heavy-weight producer Jonathan Sanger to attend his presidential inauguration. On December 1, 2006, Julia-Levy and Sanger attended the inauguration and that evening attended the State Department festivities where they met with future business partners. "TV Azteca" and "Periódico a.m." reported that Julia-Levy will get involved in various business endeavors during 2007; he will work closely with Ing. Luis Rodriguez Dorantes in reviving the airlines Aerolíneas Internacionales. Additionally, Julia-Levy will work with his family to restore the San Felipe Villas Resort that includes 228 villas located by the Sea of Cortez. Raul Julia-Levy met his father Raúl Juliá for the first time on the set of the movie Romero, an American production filmed in Cuernavaca. Julia-Levy has appeared in the Mexican TV series El Vuelo del águila and Canción de amor, and in the 2001 US film Double Take. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.6.33.147 (talk) 22:24, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

It seems as if you may be missing one of the key points of WP; namely, its collaborative nature. Your post here suggests that you are affected by the issue of a conflict of interest and an attempt at ownership. We cannot really judge the bias – if any exists – of other editors when we have only read one person's opinion of their edits. It may well be the case that they have born in mind the maxim "verifiability ahead of truth" and are making properly referenced additions. These additions may actually be promoting a balanced view of the subject – good and bad – but you may not be able to see this clearly if you have COI and ownership issues. One good example of the problems at work here is your comment "...the proper biography that should be posted..." which serves to demonstrate the issues to which I have alluded. Adrian M. H. 23:03, 8 August 2007 (UTC) Comments expanded Adrian M. H. 00:25, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

This information appears to be available elsewhere on the WWW; makes me wonder if this qualifies as WP:COPYVIO... --Aarktica 00:22, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

Absolutely, if it is published elsewhere verbatim (or very close to it) and it is not a fork of WP's content. If you have a URL whose content matches the current revision, that needs to be stripped back, rewritten or reverted. Or speedy it if there are no good revisions and a rewrite is not really an option. Adrian M. H. 00:29, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

HELLLLLLLP... what did I do? And what can I do?

I joined.... wrote my first article.... then it was removed for being a promotional thing or advertisement. I read the ways to correct it. I tried to do so but then it was removed. Then I asked for help by posting in a couple areas... I got zero responses and now I cant seem to do anything. I was honestly trying to post my first article. Do I need to edit other things first? Do I need to prove myself by walking on hot coals? What do I need to do? Someone please help. PLEASE. Thanks. Dannyglasband 07:30, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

You don't need to do anything special - but your article does need to meet our inclusion criteria. You can find more information at Misplaced Pages:Why was my page deleted? If you email me the article text (g1ggyman@gmail.com), I can take a look at it and tell you how to make it meet policy, and thus not be deleted. Giggy 07:35, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

Take careful note of the pages to which there are links on your talk page and bear in mind that many subjects simply cannot meet the minimum requirements. For what it's worth, it certainly helps new editors if they first read, then edit, then create, in that order. Few do, which is one of the factors in the number of articles that have to be speedied every day. Adrian M. H. 08:03, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

Morgellons article

This article has been a constant source of editing wars. In the word of an unbiased observer: "I've seldom seen so much bitter, mean-spirited, hostile prejudice, without even a hint of justification for it ." (Mukrkrgsj:discussion page) It is a full time job -- 12 hours a day -- to try to keep this article unbiased. I'm sure that was not the intention of wikipedia to create this kind of editing nightmare. A biased article has the potential of seriously harming a group of people who may be suffering from a disfiguring and disabling newly emerging disease. This issue should be taken very seriously.

I am proposing two options to put an end to all this until the CDC finishes its investigation. I am asking that unbiased editors -- those who have not been part of the editing wars -- to comment on my proposals.

1)According to Herd and Dyanega, the idea that Morgellons is a newly emerging disease is a "fringe" theory. Since the article is about Morgellons disease, and if the idea that Morgellons disease even exists is FRINGE, this article violates wiki rules by its very inclusion. Therefore, I am asking that this article be deleted until the CDC investigation is over.

-- or --

2) I propose that the following be the entire content of the article and that it be locked. It is completely neutral, states everyone's opinion.

"Morgellons" or "Morgellons disease," is also referred to as "unexplained dermopathy" (skin disease) by the CDC. In June 2007, a CDC website asserted persons with this unexplained skin condition report cutaneous symptoms, including crawling, biting, and stinging sensations; granules, threads, or black speck-like materials on or beneath the skin; and/or skin lesions. Some also report fatigue, mental confusion, short term memory loss, joint pain, and changes in vision. The CDC indicates the etiology of Morgellons is unknown and there is insufficient information to determine if persons who identify themselves as having Morgellons have a common cause for their symptoms, share common risk factors, or are contagious.

Morgellons disease is not a widely recognized medical diagnosis, and medical professionals' opinions about Morgellons disease are divided. Some health professionals believe that Morgellons disease is a specific condition likely to be confirmed by future research. Some health professionals, including most dermatologists, believe that signs and symptoms of Morgellons disease are caused by common skin illnesses or psychological disorders such as delusional parasitosis. Other health professionals don't acknowledge Morgellons disease or are reserving judgment until more is known about the condition.

The CDC will be conducting an epidemiologic investigation into Morgellons. Pez1103 11:20, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

Would you please respond to my talk page? I am not sure how to proceed.

I am just shocked that you have brought this here after everything else Morgellons Talk page with reference to every other noticeboard canvassed. Editors assistance is not a forum - its aim is to give a speedy solution or to redirect you to another place - I'm sorry but I doubt anybody will give you anything but cold comfort here. Mike33 - t@lk 17:47, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

I feel the same as Mike about the way in which you are approaching this. It is now starting to violate WP:POINT. I didn't even want to respond to this when I saw it this morning. Adrian M. H. 00:17, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

I posted a response on Pez1103's talkpage per her request here, but as she deleted it without responding, I'll repost it here:

Per your statement to Durova (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA): I am neglecting my health and my child trying to keep the article neutral and I cannot keep it up for much longer, I think you should stop neglecting your child in order to edit Misplaced Pages. There is NOTHING here that is worth more than your health or especially your child. Anchoress 12:20, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

--Anchoress 05:56, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

Embarrassing question

When I edit a template, using as a small example Template:Reflist, I see code like this

<div class="references-small" {{#if: {{{colwidth|}}}| style="-moz-column-width:{{{colwidth}}}; -webkit-column-width:{{{colwidth}}}; column-width:{{{colwidth}}};" | {{#if: {{{1|}}}| style="-moz-column-count:{{{1}}}; -webkit-column-count:{{{1}}}; column-count:{{{1}}} }};" |}}> <references /></div><noinclude>{{pp-template|small=yes}}{{/doc}}</noinclude>

So... what language am I looking at? I was a programmer in the distant past, but as you might guess I haven't done any web programming beyond basic HTML. I'd like to get involved again. --CliffC 19:07, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

Wiki markup. Anchoress 19:14, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

Gobbledegook. Adrian M. H. 00:15, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

mmmmmmmm - template got me very confused now, been playing with it but can't see what you want to do. What templates would really help me? last 10 edits to EAR and last 10 edits to ANI. don't think its poss though. Mike33 - t@lk 01:46, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

I poked around some more and found the help I need to code a template, oddly enough at Help:Template. The example above of Template:Reflist probably wasn't the best one to use, but I wanted something that was short and showed off the basic messiness of template code. Help:Template tells me what Noinclude, includeonly, and onlyinclude do, and what goes where in {{{1}}}-{{{2}}}-{{#ifeq:{{{1}}}|{{{2}}}|1|0}}. I got into this trying to change two templates that I display on my user page so that they would not emit "Category:" statements as though the page was a regular article (more about why in a minute). I took the quick-and-dirty approach and stuck a "subst:" before each template call, saved the page, opened it again and chopped out code by trial and error. That worked. Then I thought, "Wouldn't it be nice to add a ' | cat=no' or such parameter to the real template", but realized that first I'd have to actually know what I was doing. Now for the 'why' -- when a template such as {{human anatomical features}} is included in a page, as I will do right here

it includes its host page in Category:Human anatomy. Several weeks ago I received a note on my talk page saying "Hey Cliff! I'm working on cleaning up the anatomy section, and I was wondering why your user page appeared right below underarm hair and above vagina:) Rather than edit your page, I was wondering if you could take yourself off the list of human anatomy. Thanks!" So, I'd like to (belatedly) help that editor clean up the category. --CliffC 04:21, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

Eva Post

I have tried to edit the post on Eva Longoria and two people who appear to be editors keep removing it. It is a valid change and I have cited Access Hollywood on which she appeared. These two people do not let me contact them so I cannot do so. Can you please help? This is what I have tried to post numerous times.

Cited on Access Hollywood, In July, 2005 Longoria discussed how she landed her first television role in 1999 when the Executive Producer of the popular travel show "L.A.In A Day" met her at a LA Opinion Newspaper political event in Los Angeles and hired her to be the travel correspondent for his television travel show. Eva toured the Santa Inez wine country which would later become famous in the hit movie "Sideways". One of her features was at the Firestone Winery where she interviewed Adam Firestone, whose brother Andrew would later appear in the hit television series " The Bachelor". After L.A.In A Day, Eva's career began to skyrocket and the year 2000 had Longoria guest-starring in an episode of... Stupidwiki1 10 August 2007 01:35, UTC

There needs to be more than a claim that it was on Access Hollywood. There needs to be cited information to direct readers where to look to verify this. Lara♥Love 01:52, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

User indefinately blocked after multiple 3RR by AndonicO (Mike33 - t@lk 02:28, 10 August 2007 (UTC))