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ethnicity

see ethnic group:

An ethnic group or ethnicity is a population of human beings whose members identify with each other, either on the basis of a presumed common genealogy or ancestry, or recognition by others as a distinct group, or by common cultural, linguistic, religious, or territorial traits.

either accept this definition, and stop arguing based on confused national mysticist notions, or come to Talk:Ethnic group and show how this definition is flawed. dab(𒁳) 14:33, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

Let's see here:

“Analysis of the Assyrians shows that they have a distinct genetic profile that distinguishes their population from any other population. It is important to understand that this applies to the population as a whole, not to any one individual. The study thus does two things: it confirms the uniqueness of the Assyrian population as a whole, and it establishes genetics as a major criterion of a population group, potentially overriding elements such as language, religion, and other social and historical components which were formerly considered to be primary determinants.”

Genealogy, check. Linguistic, we speak the same language, check. Territorial traits, we originate from the same area, check. Religiously, we follow (As)syrian/Syriac Christianity, check. Cultural, we have the exact same culture, check. Ancestry, all Assyrians/Chaldeans/Syraics marry each other, check. Look, as far as ethnicity goes, we are the same people, all right? It's just that some of us, insist, based on ignorance, that we are not Assyrians, for whatever reason. Doesn't mean they're not Assyrians. — EliasAlucard|Talk 17:30 17 Aug, 2007 (UTC)

Shlama/Salam

Hey Elias, let me make a point clear, Assyrians in Iraq particular are respected by Arabs, they allwayso have been, there are disagreements about religion but thats all. There are alot of Assyrians in Iraq living peaceful with Arabs and my friends house in Baghdad are hired by Assyrians, There are no such thing that Arabs are trying to drive Assyrians out. maybe some Islamist trying to do this for political reasons, but such hate between regular people does not have any existence. Cheers — Balu2000 07:02, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

Let's be honest here, Iraq, or what's left of it, is the original country for the Assyrian people. We are the native people of that area. Yet we are being wiped out in our own country, as you can see here. You think this is a coincidence? No, of course not. Islam is what it is. These "Islamist" are just following Jihad. In fact, they've even demanded the Jizya from Assyrians. You think this is a coincidence? Of course not. They're just following the Qur'an. Now, you can say what you want about this, in order to try to convince me otherwise, but look, I know what Islam is, all right? I know, for a fact, that there's an ongoing genocide on Assyrians in Iraq, because that is how Islam works. Yes, I'm sure there are "peaceful Arabs". Doesn't matter. Most Arabs follow Islam, and they are committing a genocide on Assyrians as we speak, because they are following the example of the "prophet". As for the Assyrian Genocide, what do you think motivated it? Of course, Islam. I have relatives that were killed in this genocide, and those who survived, have told me about how they were forced to convert to Islam, or leave. Or else, death was around the corner. Don't fool yourself, Islam is guilty as sin. I'm not worried though. It's written in the Bible, New Testament: "The men of Nineveh shall rise up in the judgment with this generation, and shall condemn it: for they repented at the preaching of Jonas; and, behold, a greater than Jonas is here." In time, on the day of judgement, all of you Muslims, will be judged and condemned by Assyrians. For you abandoned God for a murderer and a paedophile. You can kill all Assyrians in this life, but that is your problem in the after life, not ours. — EliasAlucard|Talk 09:19 18 Aug, 2007 (UTC)

Don't mention the bible to me, i am sure it has be re-written so many times that a person would go to a psychologic doctor after reading., leave the Quran aside too. I am telling you in a simple way, that Assyrians and Arabs are more likely to be friends they have lived together for a long time, this hate should be to Kurds. They call you guys for "Kurdish Chrisitians" yet they are much better than Arabs?. you are very extreme on this subject. Iraq is one, everyone should live in peace, every religion, It is people like you who should be killed by those "Muslims" this hate may effect when you write in wikipedia too, please check wikipedia policy. — Balu2000 07:31, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

Well, I guess that settles it. Though to be honest, I usually don't edit Arab/Kurdish related topics, and I'm not directing hate towards Arabs (at least not as much as Arabs are hating and murdering Assyrians). this hate should be to Kurds. They call you guys for "Kurdish Chrisitians" yet they are much better than Arabs? — and Arabs call us "Arab Christians". How are you better than the Kurds? It is people like you who should be killed by those "Muslims" — I rest my case. — EliasAlucard|Talk 10:14 18 Aug, 2007 (UTC)

You are talking like I am an Assyrian hater. Let me make few points clear. I got a special love for Assyrians, my friends are Assyrians along with the Kurds, I have been in Catholic churches, talking with priests and some are my friends, when a small Assyrian girl did arive in this country as asylum, she lived in my family house, she was alone so we took care of her. Assyrians also respect me for being Arab, they have never said "Go away Arab", "you dirty Arab", though i have been invited to some major Assyrian parties, sometimes we are united by the term "Iraqi". I feel very happy for being with the Assyrians along Kurds. When you are talking this way, its quite shocking. If a group hatred Arabs did this against Assyrians it does not mean, everyone did?. your hate is towards every Arab. — Balu2000 09:51, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

Not really. I don't hate Arabs. However, people — and the world in general — are quite pissed off at Arabs. And that goes with a good reason. You see, Arabs, are probably the most worthless people in the entire world. Did you know, that the women in the Scandinavian countres alone, produce more in science than all Arab men combined? On top of that, Arabs, worthless as they are, only oppress Christian ethnic minorities. Don't fool yourself, and don't try to fool me. If anyone is into hate here, then it's you Arabs. Here's how peaceful you Arabs are: I can feel the Arabic love. — EliasAlucard|Talk 17:14 18 Aug, 2007 (UTC)

You guys need to stop this simply because you don't accomplish anything by doing it. Learn to work together to create good articles on Wiki. Respect each other as fellow Iraqis - something we share with each other very specially. Elias please stop with this grutch against Arabs and Muslims. Chaldean 15:00, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

I am not an Iraqi, and I don't have a problem with Arabs, as long as they're not killing Assyrians, and stop hating the entire world. I have no problem collaborating with Arabs on Misplaced Pages, as long as they stick to facts and academic sources, which as you may know by now, User:Skatewalk is not doing, because he has his Arab-agenda, trying to rewrite history and make everything Arabic. Hey Chaldean, don't you think it's quite an insult, that Arabs are killing our people in Iraq as we speak, and on top of that, these Arabist Wikipedians, are trying to label our forefathers as Arabs? Don't you see the insolence in that? They're trying to cover up a genocide or something by doing this. Like, "Assyrians never became extinct, they were Arabs originally and they're still Arabs!" Or something ridiculous like that. It's only a matter of time before they set up an Arabic "Assyrian" state like they did with Syria. Chaldean, don't fool yourself, this is all politics, even on Misplaced Pages. — EliasAlucard|Talk 17:14 18 Aug, 2007 (UTC)

This is a really sad discussion. I would advise those involved to stop making stereotypical generalizations based on ignorance and hatred and get back to editing before someone gets reported for breaching WP:CIVIL. Misplaced Pages is not a battleground. Tiamat 18:50, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

The "hatred" isn't coming from me, sir. I'm not the peaceful oozing with love Muslim, who's wishing death upon others. It's very nice of you Muslims/Arabs to play the victims here, by calling it "hate" every time someone criticizes you. I guess that's what you do best, playing the victim, in order to get sympathy. And no, this is neither "ignorance" of Islam, nor is it "stereotyping" of Muslims. Just hardcore politically incorrect facts. — EliasAlucard|Talk 22:25 18 Aug, 2007 (UTC)

My comments were not intended to assign blame, but your response indicates that you do not seem to understand how your comments continue to sound both racist and uncivil. For your information, I am not Muslim, I am a Palestinian Christian citizen of Israel. I'm not "defending" Islam (it needs no such defense) - but I do take issue with your aggressive tone, blankets statements and generalizations. Please read WP:CIVIL again. If you persist in this kind of incitement, I will report you to WP:ANI.Tiamat 10:54, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

Response to User:Skatewalk regarding comment at WP:ANI

This is your last warning.
If you continue to make personal attacks on other people, you will be blocked for disruption. Comment on content, not on other contributors or people. Misplaced Pages is not a battleground for differing ideologies, be they religious, cultural, political or any other belief system. Your representation of Skatewalk in your response above gives me great concern as regards your impartiality toward editors who identify themselves as Arab, which I responded to there. I am further concerned that your username contains the name Dracula (spelled backwards), a character from folklore based on Vlad III the Impaler who was one of historys most famous persecutors of Turks/Arabs. I have no comment on the validity of your concerns regarding the edits by Skatewalk, or the sources referenced, other than to advise you strongly to use NPOV language in your future comments. LessHeard vanU 10:43, 19 August 2007 (UTC)