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See also Misplaced Pages talk:Good article candidates for general discussion about the GA process.

Sequence?

Is there a reason that people are listed (in particular, in the music section... I haven't checked the others) alphabetically by their first names? This seems rather difficult to follow, for me. Is there a particular reason for this and, if no, would anybody feel against me putting this (and those like it) into regular alphabetical order? --linca 12:35, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

I'm indifferent. Either way is fine with me. Lara♥Love 15:03, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

Other sections use piped names with last-name-first. Do that and the bot will alphabetize automatically. Gimmetrow 06:50, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

Cool. I'll do it today. --linca 00:47, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

Template question

Is {{GA-article}} accepted by the community? If so then why is it currently used on one page? T Rex | talk 14:03, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

No, corner icons are controversial. Gimmetrow 15:07, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

If they're controvertial, why are they used for Featured articles? I'm not for adding them, but that's the fact. We also use it for audio pages, like the constitutional pages (1st amendment is fully audio, from memory). --linca 01:05, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

Because many people are against the idea of GA's in the first place. It's fine how it is right now. -- Phoenix2 07:31, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

This may be useful reading: Misplaced Pages:Misplaced Pages Signpost/2006-05-22/Templates for deletion. Titoxd 18:13, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

TIE fighter

I wasn't sure what category TIE fighter belonged to so I listed it under video game characters. I'm not sure if that is the best category though. Anyone else have an idea? T Rex | talk 14:03, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

I have a feeling it should be under Weapons and Military Equipment. Anyone?--SidiLemine 15:45, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

Is there a movie or fictional character/fiction section? A TIE fighter is about as "military" as Snow White, considering neither exists. ;) IvoShandor 02:18, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

The military section isn't called "real world weapons and military equipment" AFAIK. And you'll have to admit it makes for an awkward character.--SidiLemine 10:36, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

GA symbol on main article page?

Hi,

FA have a small star on top right hand corner of the page. Similarly GA should have the circle-plus logo at that location too! Is this possible? If so how can one do it?

Regards, AshLin 01:41, 18 August 2007 (UTC)\

You will find very little support for such a proposal, it has been shot down numerous times in the past, if I recall correctly. IvoShandor 02:17, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

That's a shame. It would really help users identify reliable articles. What were the reasons for not doing it?--SidiLemine 10:43, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

People think GA is not formal enough, as it requires only 1 editor to list or fail the nomination. It certainly is shameful because this puts english wikipedia out of sync with other languages. OhanaUnited 10:57, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

With GA/R taking speed, GA is getting more and more reliable. And GA, even by one editor, is better than nothing.... --SidiLemine 12:20, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

(<--) Definitely think that the GA badge would be nice. Besides, how about making sure the reviewing editors know what they're doing, rather than in a way penalizing the people who worked on the article? David Fuchs 13:08, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

Just to show what it would look like, for us aesthetically motivated: GA article David Fuchs 13:12, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

Another motivation is that it would constitute a great advrertisement for the GA status, an so a controlled improvement incentive.--SidiLemine 13:27, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

David we already have a template, {{GA-article}}. T Rex | talk 16:57, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

So where did those discussions about (not) using it happen? Here?--SidiLemine 17:39, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

(unindent) This be what you're lookin for. T Rex | talk 21:02, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

You know, everyone always says one editor, but actually, there are two involved when an article passes GA. The nominator feels it is GA worthy and the reviewer confirms this. In many cases others work on the article during on hold periods, so to say just one person is involved in GA status is really just a bit dishonest. Just a comment for all the GA naysayers. : ) IvoShandor 17:14, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

The arguments during the discussion were somewhat odd- they talked about "self-referential symbols" and "clutter" yet these arguments could apply equally the the FA star... David Fuchs 18:08, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

Good point. The discussion is a year old, I wonder if consensus could have changed in the meantime?--SidiLemine 11:04, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

It could but I bet if it is tried a thousand people from the FAC gang will descend upon GA to oppose it because they won't feel special if we have one too. How a one millimeter wide symbol can be considered clutter is beyond me. IvoShandor 17:07, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

If anything cleanup and NPOV etc tags clutter pages, and not only do they look like crap, they say the actual page is crap as well. T Rex | talk 17:56, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

(unindent)This has been one thing I have always wondered about, was why does FA get a symbol, but not GA also? I see a lot of GAs that are almost as good as an FA. I think this would be something good for articles.--Kranar drogin 03:11, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

It looks ugly on pages. Let's not use it, or we can create a better looking symbol.◙◙◙ I M Kmarinas86 U O 2¢ ◙◙◙ 03:29, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

I added one to the page. Does this work?◙◙◙ I M Kmarinas86 U O 2¢ ◙◙◙ 03:44, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

It looks like a faded FA star, not the GA symbol, and its rather hard to notice at top right. Homestarmy 04:07, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

Now I made it darker than GA.◙◙◙ I M Kmarinas86 U O 2¢ ◙◙◙ 04:11, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

There's go to be something better! The GA symbol does not look good on the article page.◙◙◙ I M Kmarinas86 U O 2¢ ◙◙◙ 04:11, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

This won't do. Still brainstorming....◙◙◙ I M Kmarinas86 U O 2¢ ◙◙◙ 04:12, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

(←) The GA symbol looks fine. In fact, I think it looks great. It doesn't make sense to use anything else. That is the symbol of GA. Using a faded FA symbol is inappropriate.

The project is in the process of improving various aspects and ensuring quality. Once we've weeded out all the articles that clearly fail to meet the criteria, that should help improve the reputation of the project. If we could get approval to use this symbol on GAs, this would be the time to do it. Sweeps are about to start and every listed GA is getting re-reviewed. If we can tag the articles with this as they pass, it would not only take care of the tagging, but it would also serve as a marker—during this massive task—for articles that have been reviewed... an easy identifier to other participants in the sweeps. What do we need to do? Lara♥Love 04:18, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

It looks fine in normal templates, but not positioned the way the FA star is.◙◙◙ I M Kmarinas86 U O 2¢ ◙◙◙ 04:22, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

I added the GA symbol on the top-right of this page. It looks better there than the regular GA one.◙◙◙ I M Kmarinas86 U O 2¢ ◙◙◙ 04:24, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

Eh. I give up. I can't make a good symbol either.◙◙◙ I M Kmarinas86 U O 2¢ ◙◙◙ 04:27, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

(To Lara) I'm concerned that much of the opposition is coming from this rather odd little argument that the usage of any more metadata would represent a fundamental opposition to some core Misplaced Pages doctrine somewhere about Misplaced Pages articles supposedly being easy to transclude into other mediums. It doesn't appear to be founded on anything amazingly persuasive, indeed, taking the raw text from any article would result in a large jumble of Wiki-syntax among all the text, and a little bit more wiki-syntax from a GA symbol at the top won't be the game breaker in terms of transclusion. However, it appears the people who oppose these symbols are extremely adament in their opposition, I don't know how we could convince them to allow the GA circle at the top right of GA's when they seem so increadibly determined to keep the top right area of all articles as clear as possible. I imagine the only reason the FA and semi-protect stamps have been allowed is because there were more than enough FA and policy-making contributors to block any TfD's or MfD's. Homestarmy 04:29, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

So what happens if we get consensus within our project and just start using it? They just go delete the template? Lara♥Love 06:33, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

They just try ;). And IIRC the template already exists. If we do think that the main opposers will come from FAC, why not going there and confront "them"?--SidiLemine 11:55, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

I'm up for it. We can advertise it on GA pages and rally our troops... hopefully most participants in GA would support it. I suppose if not, then consensus will be reached against it and, for the time being at least, there will at least be that. Lara♥Love 21:52, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

Stability and completeness regarding ongoing and future events

In order to consolidate discussion in one place, I moved my recent post to Wikipedia_talk:What_is_a_good_article?#GAs_and_Future_Events. Please join the discussion there. Thanks, Johntex\ 18:14, 21 August 2007 (UTC)