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Far too much information in "Paper Walls" part

I don't think stuff as time lines (when which song and which video from that album was released on the bands myspace page, for example) belongs into an encyclopedia. Either a native speaker rewrites that or I'll do it. And this ain't going to be pretty ;) . 78.48.233.201 08:51, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

yellowcard in LA?

I was pretty sure these guys moved out to LA at some point and their myspace ( http://myspace.com/yellowcard ) also mentions it, however I find no info on this in the article.

>>For singer and guitarist Ryan Key, the experience felt overwhelming, and more than a little pivotal. A year since the release of their major-label debut, Ocean Avenue, and five years since the band staked out from its Jacksonville, Florida hometown for Los Angeles, Yellowcard had grown (very quickly) into full-scale rock phenomenon. With three hit singles under their belts, sold-out tours across the globe and Ocean Avenue going on to sell 2.5 million copies worldwide, it felt like the closing of a very successful chapter.

Maybe this wiki could clarify this section of history Psycadelc 17:53, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

official statement

I removed the official statement from the "original lineup" section of the article because it was copy/pasted from the band's website, and not really necessary for wikipedia. -Varco 02:15, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

Still informative, though. How about it goes back up as a quote with a citation? Cathryn 08:36, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

More coming...

I'll get rolling on the cleanup sometime this weekend. Shouldn't be too hard... By the way, is anyone on here also active on the Underdogs message board? Cathryn 00:07, 11 March 2006 (UTC)

First Album/Debut Album

Yeah, this article references "Midget Tossing" as the first album, but "One for the Kids" as the debut album. I'm not a genius or particularly well-versed in music terminology, but aren't the two the same thing?

It's a tricky topic for this band (and is frequently discussed on fan message boards). The lineup (not to mention--disputably--the band's general tone and style) underwent such a drastic change between "Midget Tossing" and "One for the Kids" (and, to a lesser degree, between "Where We Stand" and "One for the Kids") that it's hard to say just what is their "first" album. Since the band's name and a few of their members carried over to "One for the Kids," "Midget Tossing" is often called their "first" album. However, "One for the Kids" was the first album released by the current (main) lineup and matches the band's sound in proceeding albums much more closely...thus, it's often labelled their "debut" album. Still, I agree that the labels are pretty subjective & tricky to deal with.

Does that make any more sense? Cathryn 08:26, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

Oh, also, many fans (and journalists) call "One for the Kids" the band's "debut" album for reasons of notoriety...it's often considered their breakout album in many ways. Of course, the big bucks didn't start rolling in until the band signed with Capitol for "Ocean Avenue," but "One for the Kids" was when they really started to get their name out there. Cathryn 08:39, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

Another interesting point: no albums released before "One for the Kids" are listed under the band's discography on their own official website...even though "Where We Stand" was re-released last year as a promotion preceeding the "Lights and Sounds" release. Very interesting. (And confusing.) Cathryn 08:56, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

Sorry I don't have an account But it sounded real bad that someone wrote "and the Guitar he used was made out of wood" and "one of their boyfriends" I chnged boyfriends to friends and got rid of the wood thing simply because EVERY guitar is made out of wood. Now if someone knows for a fact that it wasn't a Gibson that might be worthy of mention.

Trivial Trivia

The amount and content of the trivia is simply ridiculous and needs to be cut down. It seems like whoever posted it all is simply trying to promote Yellowcard rather than to inform.

No kidding! I added some templates that might call attention to the need for help (and if nothing else, they'll at least let readers know that a lot of what is being said is kind of fishy).

Any ideas? I'm tempted to just scrap the whole section, but maybe it would be better to pick a few important points, dig up verifiable sources for them, and delete everything else. (But that's a lot of work for a decidedly "trivial" problem. ;) )

It's too bad they took down the "Trivia" section from the band's new website (as of the L&S release). That would have been a good place to start. Cathryn 08:32, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

Longineu W. Parsons III (drummer)

Longineu W. Parsons III is mentioned as in the starting line up in the text, but is missing from the Initial lineup list for Midget Tossing Section (4.1).

Well, then, fix it! ;)

What? You didn't? Fine, fine, I'll go do it. Cathryn 08:33, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

Lights and Sounds

This section needs to be edited for neutrality. The tone may be appropriate for a fan message board, but not a general information encyclopedia. Cathryn 08:17, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

Still to do:

Okay. As I see it, things are looking good--only a few changes still need to be made to whip this into shape:

• Expand and clarify introduction
• (Possibly) further clean up History (correct tone and flow; get source for MTV News citation)
• Clean up neurtality issues in Lights and Sounds under Lineup Changes (Good luck with this--it's a very touchy subject right now. Both Capitol and the band members themselves have been pretty mum about the whole thing. The MTV source already cited in the section may be the only place to get good information.)
• Figure out what in the world to do with the Trivia section (Again, good luck. I'll try to see if I can get the info from the Trivia section from the old website, but I'm not sure I'll be able to. To whomever tackles this: please keep in mind that if you can't cite a source, it doesn't belong on Misplaced Pages--save it for the Yellowcard message boards.)

Any other ideas? What else needs to be done? Hooray for cleaning up such an awkwardly worded, opinionated mess!  :) Cathryn 09:32, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

Apart from what you already said, the whole Lineup changes section needs to be re-written in prose and incorporated into the History. Anything notable from the Trivia should be referenced and merged into the History as well. --Fritz S. (Talk) 10:26, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

I like the merging ideas, although the article won't be very long after it's done. :) What does anyone else think? Cathryn 23:34, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

Well, we shouldn't leave poorly written/formatted sections in just so the article is long. --HarryCane 10:22, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

I cleaned up the trivia. The criteria I used was very simple:

1. Information about the band members does not belong here, it belongs on each member's Misplaced Pages page.
2. Information about songs and videos do not belong here, they belong on the album and/or singles Misplaced Pages pages.

That leaves two pieces of trivia, which need to be cited. Jtrost ( | C | _#) 14:27, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

• The first piece of trivia is mentioned on the Yellowcard DVD.JaymzSpyhunter 01:17, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

• Ocean Avenue should be added to the album list as it is missing.

Vandalism

Who keeps writing up that stuff about Ben? It seems a little too personal and is not correctly sourced (or written) so will continue to be reverted. JaymzSpyhunter 01:17, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

Yeah it's not very nice stuff. Elevenzeroonne 20:17, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

Who put some guy named Andrew Francis for vocals and bass from 2002-2004? I have every real Yellowcard cd and not one of them says Andrew Francis in them. User:Swiss92m

PICS

REmoving indecent pics 09 June 2006 11:22 User: Maurice45

Indecent?

Huh?

In any case, the article's looking a little bare now. I have a bunch of concert pictures...anyone have any requests (as in, of whom, etc.)? Cathryn 16:23, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

"Special Edition" Album

The Japanese release of the "Ocean Avenue" album was released with the name "Special Edition" attached and comes with four bonus tracks and the musical score of the song "Ocean Avenue" plus a couple of videos (viewable on PC) it seems. I have a copy of this disc and | here is another reference (with tracklist). I'm not sure whether this should be added just on the Ocean Avenue page or as a separate album or just as trivia or what... My knowledge of the band is very very limited (buying the CD is the first look at them I've taken) so I'd feel wrong adding the information myself. ProdigySim 09:11, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

'Believe'

Wasn't 'Believe' from Ocean Avenue featured in a game sometime? 80.47.156.45 04:37, 6 December 2006 (UTC) I do believe it was SilverNightFire 03:22, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

'Down on my Head'

Can anyone confirm for sure this is the next single? Considering Rough Landing Holly came out in August, I'm skeptical about a third single coming out 6 months after the second one...SilverNightFire 03:22, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

New pictures

I've added a couple of new pictures, including one to the infobox at the top of the page. If someone who knows more about how to clean up the code than I do would like to take a whack at them, I'd be thrilled. Cathryn 02:33, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Genre

Please leave pop punk first as it is their main genre.They said that they are not punk rock in an interview so don't have punk rock first.Pop punk / alternative rock is good.
Ummm, no it isn't 'their main genre'. The only records of theirs that come close to being pop-punk are One for the Kids, The Underdog EP and Ocean Avenue. Their first 2 albums are hard rock with elements of metal (LP's drumming is around twice as hard/fast, heavier guitars, Ben Dobson's screaming vocals), and Still Standing EP is starting to break away from it to a wierd combination of it all. And as for L&S, thats what the alternative label is for. Not pop, not hard rock, and not pop-punk.
And what about Paper Walls? Is this album Pop punk or not? I ask cause I haven't heard the album...

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Ocean Avenue Bonus Disk

I'm getting frustrated trying to understand this bonus disk, there are very many different tracklistings in different places. Some have an Untitled Track - 3:35 at the end and some don't. Also, it's never put clearly on some tracklistings which are videos and which aren't, i'm getting very frustrated. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.69.36.81 (talk • contribs)

First, sign your post using ~~~~. Second, I'm a bit confused by what this has to do with anything. Are you asking us for the track listings of the bonus disk? If so, should you be on the disk's page asking this? Imasleepviking 20:42, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Fair use criteria

The use of images not in compliance with our fair-use criteria or our policy on nonfree content is not appropriate, and the images have been removed. Please do not restore them. — Moe ε 19:37, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

Vandalism

Someone please undo all the vandalism that has occurred over the past couple of days. And someone ban Rocker7777 or stop him or her from editing this article, because they are part of the vandalism. - Tim62389 22:54, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

Never mind, I undid it all.

Will an admin please block Rocker7777 from editing the page. He is continually vandalizing it and it needs to be stopped immediately.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Tim62389 (talk • contribs)

The removal of the images wasn't vandalism, see the message above. If you revert again, I'll start handing out warnings for violations of fair use. — Moe ε 19:23, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

I didn't say you were vandalizing it, Moe. I said Rocker7777 was vandalizing the article by screwing up the paragraphs and such. I know why you removed the images, so that's why I added summaries and non-free image descriptions to the image pages. Maybe if you would've checked for that, you would've known not to remove the images. And as for the one page with rules and such for non-free content, It says "Multiple items are not used if one will suffice." And one will not suffice as there is more than one album. So I will put the images back up and unless u show me proof that they are not allowed, I will keep reinserting them, because I feel they are an important part of the article. Tim Y 20:21, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

This has previously been discussed at WP:NFCC, discographies cannot have the images, and no amount of conversation here can change that. — Moe ε 16:20, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

OK. If you wanna be so goody-goody about it and make sure every little thing on Misplaced Pages is perfect and follows every single rule, fine. I won't put them back up. But you don't need to be an ass about everything that doesn't follow the rules exactly. They were up for months and nobody objected until you came. I'd take this to an administrator but I'm not gonna be an ass about it like some people are being. Tim Y 20:21, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

Don't make personal attacks. I'm not being "goody-goody" about it. WP:OTHERCRAPEXISTS isn't a reason to keep violations of fair use. You're right that it has been up for a long time, but it has only fairly recently been decided that discographies are not to transclude the album covers like this article had them. You're more than welcome to bring this up to any administrator. — Moe ε 03:36, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

Now there's someone else that agrees with me about the images. That's two peoples' word against one. People are just gonna keep putting the images back up and your not gonna be able to stop them. Tim Y 00:39, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

moe stop threatening to block me and being wrong please

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