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Why did you remove Osroene?

Hi,

There are many sources referring to Arabs who ruled Osroene. Please read the page Osroene and its Talk page. Roman sources consider the ruling class and inhabitants of Osroene as ethnic Arabs. The main reasonm that I added the material was that Ancient Arabs is redirect to Ancient Arabia.Heja Helweda 21:51, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

Hi heja, I didn't remove it I just added it in a section below the Nabateans in the article. Thanks for your contribution. spaas --Skatewalk 22:21, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

Sorry for the misunderstanding. Thank you!Heja Helweda 22:43, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

Kindah and Qays

I know that Bakr ibn Wa'il were ruled by Kindah. Possibly also Banu 'Amir (ar:بنو عامر بن صعصعة) (who were part of Qays 'Aylan). I'll try to search for others.

As for modern tribes that belong to Qays, the ones that I know of are: 'Utaybah, Mutayr, Subay', the Suhool, and most of the tribes of southern Iraq (Bani Kaab, Ubadah, Khafajah, and al-Mintifij المنتفق). Utaybah is possibly from Hawazin, and Mutayr claim to be from Ghatafan. Subay', the Suhool, and the Iraqi tribes all belong to Banu 'Amir, especially Banu Uqayl. Also, the Jabrids belong to Bani Uqayl from Bani 'Amir from Qays Aylan, and there is a remnant of Bani Sulaym still living near Medina.

By the way, the Hawazin branch is much larger than the Ghatafan branch, especially because the tribes of Bani 'Amir are included under Hawazin.

Two minor notes: usually the sources speak of قيس عيلان Qays Aylan, not Qays ibn Aylan, and بنو سليم is pronounced Banu Sulaym, not Saleem.

Keep up the good work! -- Slacker 10:51, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

According to Britannica, Taghlib, Banu Asad, and Kinanah were also under Kindah. Slacker 11:38, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

Banu Hilal/Sultans of Oman

There is just as much linguistic evidence linking Bani Hilal and Bani Sulaym with the beduoin tribes of Nejd and Hejaz, in my opinion. I'll try to expand the Bani Hilal article later. It's a big topic.

The current sultans of Oman are from Bani Tamim, though in previous times many Ibadhi Imams were from al Azd. Don't forget one of the two founders of Ibadhism, Abdullah ibn Ibadh himself, was from Bani Tamim, while the other, Jabir, was from al-Azd. Unfortunately I don't know anything about how the Omani succession would proceed. Slacker 03:43, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

Award

		The Saudi Arabian Barnstar
		For your extreme care about the history of the Arabian peninsula . good job boss Ammar ( - ) 23:57, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

A reduced entry on Ancient Arabia

Can you please evaluate before I start editing on this subject?

The Akkadians and Amorites in Ancient Arabia

The earliest known events in Arabian history are migrations from the peninsula into neighbouring areas . Around 3500 BC, Semitic-speaking peoples of Akkadian origin migrated from their homeland in the Arabian peninsula into the valley of the Tigris and Euphrates rivers in Mesopotamia, supplanted the Sumerians, and became the Mesopotamian Akkadians (see Akkadians). The Ammuru/Amorites is another group of Semites left Arabia around 2500 BC during the Early Bronze Age and settled along the Levant, mixing in with the local populations there. Some of these migrants became the Amorites and Canaanites of later times

• Bernard Lewis mentions in his book The Arabs in History:

"According to this, Arabia was originally a land of great fertility and the first home of the Semitic peoples. Through the millennia it has been undergoing a process of steady desiccation, a drying up of wealth and waterways and a spread of the desert at the expense of the cultivable land. The declining productivity of the peninsula, together with the increase in the number of the inhabitants, led to a series of crises of overpopulation and consequently to a recurring cycle of invasions of the neighbouring countries by the Semitic peoples of the peninsula. It was these crises that carried the Assyrians, Aramaeans, Canaanites (including the Phoenicians and Hebrews), and finally the Arabs themselves into the Fertile Crescent."

References

1. ^ Philip Khuri Hitti (2002), History of the Arabs, Revised: 10th Edition
2. http://www.wsu.edu/~dee/MESO/AKKAD.HTM Washington State University; Akkadians Study
3. http://concise.britannica.com/ebc/article-9007224/Amorites The Amorites migration from Arabia
4. http://www.britannica.com/eb/article-9007224/Amorite The Amorites origin - Britannica
5. Bernard Lewis (2002), The Arabs in History, Oxford University Press, USA; 6New Ed edition, page 17

--Skatewalk 08:39, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

Very good now, but also try to find the ISBN numbers for books . good work boss. Ammar ( - ) 15:45, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

I'll see what i can do , but don't depend on me so much. Ammar ( - ) 23:22, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

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Bani Ka'b

Yes. Bani Ka'b are one of the major branches of Bani Amir (بني عامر بن صعصعة), who are included by the genealogists among Hawazin. The main branches of Bani Amir are Bani Hilal, Bani Kilab (who moved from Nejd and al-Yamamah to Syria in the 13th century or so), Bani Numayr (who left al-Yamamah to Iraq in the Abbasid era), and Bani Kaab. I'm sure you know the famous verse by Jarir: فغضّ الطرف إنك من نميرٍ فلا كعباً بلغْتَ و لا كلابا

Banu Kaab are originally from southern Nejd. They produced several tribes there such as Qushayr, Ja'dah, and al-Harish (who are now extinct قشير و جعدة و الحريش). But the most famous Kaabi tribe by far is Banu Uqayl بني عقيل. Their original territory was 'Aqiq Bani Uqayl (now Wadi al-Dawasir, the southernmost region of Nejd, next to the Empty Quarter). They gradually moved northwards and established a state in northern Iraq in the Abbasid era (see Uqaylids), before spreading in Iraq and eastern Arabia (see Jabrids). A small section moved to Yemen right before Islam.

Most of the present-day Banu Kaab spring from Bani Uqayl. They mostly live in southern Iraq and al-Ahwaz in Iran. Among their tribes are Khafajah, Ubadah, and part of al-Muntafiq. Some sections of Bani Khalid might be from Uqayl as well. I hope that answers your question. -- Slacker 07:26, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

I don't think al-Khafji is related to Khafajah, but it's a possibility. I also don't know anything about Marj Bani 'Amir. You're right that the Bani 'Amir article should be expanded; I'll try to do so when I have some time.

Regarding "mixing" of tribes; bear in mind that the Qahtani/Adnani division is not something that most bedouin cared about or were even aware of inside the Peninsula, especially in the last 1000 years. Most tribal confederations therefore have elements of both (in my opinion the distinction is mythical anyway, but that's another story). Some examples that come to my mind are Banu Khalid, Mutayr, Harb, and Shammar. Did Bani Amir absorb some Yemeni tribes? It's possible; they originated from southwestern Nejd and so were very near Yemen. Some Amiris settled in Asir among Azdi tribes, and a section of Uqayl existed in Yemen. It's also possible that it was a confederation of disparate tribes. Slacker 00:53, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

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I replied on my talk page. Please look there. ~ Wikihermit 22:13, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

Yemen

shukran --Temoni prince 02:00, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

Phoenicia

Ha what? I am still clueless I am not Mexican. --Vonones 12:58, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

Um no I originate from the Caucasus. --Vonones 20:00, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

Circassian Beauties

Re Walid Jumblatt, FYI interest, there is actually a WP article on Circassian_beauties. I think u r right about the peroxide Godspeed John Glenn! Will 16:47, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

al-Yamama

May I ask why you deleted this page ? Thanks. Slacker 17:01, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

Ok. Thanks for trying to help. Slacker 05:48, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

No problem

But I feel a little guilty about not doing more editing at that page. I will try to look at the discussions and edits a bit more closely in the days to come. Tiamat 08:11, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

Arabs

We Copts DO NOT consider ourselves to be Arabs, as I have pointed out too often. Even Lanternix (who, like me, is an Orthodox Copt)has made this clear.

...And yet, some people STILL don't seem to get it.

• sigh*

...I require help from other Copts & non-Copts (ie:YOU) to get the message out to anyone who labels Egyptians as Arabs JUST BECAUSE OF THEIR SPOKEN LANGUAGE. There is a BIG DIFFERENCE between the LANGUAGE SPOKEN and the actual ETHNIC ORIGIN (so, please, take note of that).

For the last time, I urge you to at least give your views to help point this out. You can give sources, refs, ideas, etc...whatever would be of help.

You can do this on the following link: Talk:Arab_Christians#UNACCEPTABLE_OMISSION_OF_COPTS

Thank-you.

• ~ Troy 00:49, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

Your edits to Arab and Egyptians

Please stop removing sourced content, edit-warring, trolling and canvassing other editors to edit war with you on the Arab and Egyptians articles. Notice that editors are allowed to make only 3 reverts in a 24 hour-period, a rule that you are violating. You have already been warned before about WP:3RR on the same page. Thanks. — Zerida 07:05, 8 September 2007 (UTC)