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Hey, check out the conversation on Chris' talk page User_talk:Chrisjnelson#Reserve_List_Style regarding abbreviations for the Reserve List categories on the roster templates. Bjewiki 01:35, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

PFT

Yo do me a favor and tell Florio (I'm on his block list for serving him some shit) tat Salomon Solano is an ISP player, so the Lions have only 7 on their regular SP and Buster Davis could be on it.►Chris Nelson 15:36, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

Discussion

Please see WT:NFL#Continued_discussion JmFangio| ►Chat  19:22, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

Hey will you post at the discussion page that I'm not going to be able to contribute to it for the next few weeks, as Durova told me to stick to the roster templates/2007 Dolphins article in the mean time?►Chris Nelson 18:10, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

Regarding the Patriots

I do feel some note about the supposed cheating should be mentioned in the article, could you tell me how it's biased? Kwsn(Ni!) 22:26, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

I agree it should definitely be present, it is a major news story.►Chris Nelson 22:31, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

(Pats1's response was posted on my talk) Yes, but shouldn't at least some mention be made? I'm sure there's sources reporting at least the accusation. Kwsn(Ni!) 22:37, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

Just because something is speculative does not mean it's not to be included. Kwsn(Ni!) 22:40, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

Even if it is false, a mention should be made, that's what I'm saying. And how is un-verifiable? Kwsn(Ni!) 22:46, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

I agree with you, Pats, that there were some POV problems with the way it went in. However, the allegations make a story of itself, and whether or not there is any truth to them (though it's likely I'd say) the Pats' 2007 season will be remembered in part by these allegations. The inclusion of this news story is vital to 2007 New England Patriots season.►Chris Nelson 22:59, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

Right, I'm working on a version of it for Bill Belichick that I'll also use in 07Pats. Pats1 23:02, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

Sounds good. I'd hope bias would not cloud your judgment on this one.►Chris Nelson 23:03, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

'Course not, Chris. 'Course not. ;). It's actually something I'm numb to but other Pats fans are jumping off buildings about. I posted a few threads about it and my thoughts, essentially that it's gamesmanship on the part of the Jets, attempting to distract the Pats in their prep for the Chargers -- just as the Pats filed tampering charges against the Jets last year when they traded Branch, which also happened to be the week of a Jets/Pats game. I'm guessing this just another one of those unenforced rules (like "collusion" that Florio mentions all the time) that, because of the Jets' stink, Goodell will be forced to enforce. And since there's probably other teams out there that do the same thing in some way or form (Zach Thomas admitted to knowing all of Brady's signals last year because of apparently some TV tape or recording method), those teams aren't going to be too happy with the Jets, as a precedent has been (or will be set). I'm not sure if I'd call it cheating either, because apparently there's something in the rules that BB thinks only makes the taping illegal if it's accessible to the coach in the same game. So it's really exploiting a gray area more than anything, which isn't necessarily cheating (except to those who will pounce at anything that can feed their jealously of the Pats). Anyway, that's a story for other times. Pats1 23:09, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

It's most definitely cheating and you really can't, and shouldn't, excuse that. Comparing it to Zach's comments last year are ridiculous, because all they did was watch the television broadcast of the games. That is not cheating - it's public domain and millions watch it every day. Pointing a camera directly at the opposing team's sidelines (against the rules) and using it to your advantage during games is not comparable and IS flat-out wrong. I doubt many, if any, other teams do this, and if any others do that does not excuse the Pats' behavior. It looks like they will be reprimanded severely, and rightly so.►Chris Nelson 23:29, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

Get on AIM, I don't feel like giving my counter-argument here. Pats1 01:20, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

That's just people making excuses. There is NO evidence this is a widespread practice, or even a two-team practice. Patriots fans are explaining it away because they are Patriots fans, simple as that.►Chris Nelson 02:44, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

And everyone else is just being "holier than thou" because they aren't Patriots fans, simple as that. ;) Pats1 03:01, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

Not really. It's just the way things are. Right now we know the Patriots have cheated - we don't know anything about anyone else. So the Pats are the only ones in the wrong, the only ones deserving to be reprimanded.►Chris Nelson 03:41, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

Watch out in the next few days though. It seems that BB might have a decent case against the rule. But really, the Jets didn't do this for the Pats could lose picks - they did it just to screw around with the Pats before their big game. And since it seems like Mangini gathered this from when he was with the Pats, other coaches, as PFT has noted, don't have a lot of trust in Magini right now. And damn, this thing has created a media circus. Complete sensationalism. Those first two days, Patsfans almost went down about 10 times because there were more than 1,500 users online at once - we eventually had to disable new regs because there were so many trolls coming in. It's like if the NFL tells the Pats to make their field more fit (for the Colts off- I mean for football) -- everyone who hates the Pats like they do the Yankees (the Jets have a different hate, like the Sox do for the Pats) will come and use it as ammo. Anything to tarnish the Pats' dominance, right? Even in the local media. It's on the top of every news as if Belichick had stood in the middle of the field and videotaped it himself. Pats1 11:01, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

Well, it happened . Kwsn(Ni!) 05:26, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

Patriots

Just so you dont think im signing off and reverting your edits... my ip is 131.50.151.8 Robkehr 15:52, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

I know you werent rreverting mine, someone reverted yours twice. on the patriots talk page and on some other page, just didnt want you to think it was me. Robkehr 20:04, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

That was a horrible argument you IMed me, lol.►Chris Nelson 14:55, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

I think you'll probably disagree, but "Allegations of" in 2007 New England Patriots season seems a little inaccurate at this point.►Chris Nelson 23:14, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

Subtle indications of bias

Please, consider stepping back from the Patriots cheating scandal situation for a while. Comments you have made suggesting the a team's offense (the Indianapolis Colts) is the reason for the criticisms about the quality of grass in Gillette Stadium are irresponsible and inappropriate. If you live in Massachusetts and are a New England Patriots fan, there is no possible way you can be objective right now. Because you are an established Wikipedian, you seem to believe that entitles you to present your version of the truth on Patriots-related web pages. This issue is not stealing signals. This issue is videotaping--it is a notable concern, just like some of the other current scandals hitting the sports world. The most poignant point is perhaps near the end of this article: http://www.colts.com/sub.cfm?page=article7&news_id=9758c763-aee2-4696-85f5-d19ce28793e5. Please, let other take care of the edits until the controversy settles down (probably in February 2008). If you continue to interfere with the Misplaced Pages process by intruding in the current Patriots situation, a discussion and petition will be started to suspend your account for six months. You are more than welcome to edit any and all Patriots webpages that deal with the pre-Belichick era. Best wishes, and again, please go easy on contributors with a different point of view than your own. -Melissa Gardner, DDS ( 69.89.25.182 05:07, 19 September 2007 (UTC) )