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AJOP the P is for programs but commonly refer as professionals

But many people call it professionals as i will bring sources if asked.--יודל 18:50, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

It's irrelevant. If the P in AJOP stands for programs, than that what it is. It doesn't matter if people incorrectly call it professionals. You shouldn't need to be asked for sources. If you have sources, bring them. Yossiea 18:54, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

It is very much indeed relevant because u keep on edit waring about this with other users please stop.--יודל 18:57, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

Let's talk logic for a second. If the site states that the P is for Programs, why would you call it something else? This is supposedly an article about AJOP. Well, AJOP says that the P stands for Programs, not professionals. That's why it's irrelevant what others call it. All that matters is what AJOP stands for. Yossiea 19:00, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

Your recent edit makes no sense. Are we now supposed to add "as some people call it" to every single article? Should we add "bloodsuckers" to the IRS title? AJOP says that AJOP stands for Association of Jewish Outreach Programs. That should be all that matters for an encyclopedia entry. Yossiea 19:06, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

I have provided a link where a trustee of the org calls like this, and most Jews do call the P for Professionals, thats why it is very much part of the name.--יודל 19:17, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

It's not part of the name because AJOP doesn't call themselves that. So it's irrelevant. Yossiea 19:41, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

If most people call an apple an apple even though its owners don't call like this, wikipedia will not be silent, because this is not trivial but fundamental part in explaining the issue at hand for an encyclopedic worthy article. we are not just a dictionary or directory, every subject gets a detailed view of how the world refers to it.--יודל 19:45, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

You are not making any sense. I have reverted back to the correct version. If you revert it back I will have you warned for 3RR and for adding in nonsense into articles. Yossiea 19:46, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

I haven't broken any policies, i have brought u a a former board member for over ten years who calls it like this and other sources who do indeed call it like this. And 2 users who u r reverting all the time. Stop acting like your opinion is the same like 2 users.--יודל 20:30, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

You have now violated 3RR. Again, it doesn't matter what others call it. It matters what THE ORGANIZATION CALLS IT. Yossiea 20:42, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

Stop lying about me i have not reverted 3 times, and it does matter if most people call it like this, this must be documentd that peaple do call it like this. Because as my sources has noted most people will look for it in this name becaouse it is known with this name--יודל 20:51, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

So create a page called Association of Jewish Outreach Professionals and have it redirected here. That way people who type in the incorrect version would still get to the article. Yossiea 20:53, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

I already did that. and now it must be explained why they get redirected in this article.--יודל 20:55, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

1) There is no page like that. 2) There doesn't need to be an explanation. They will see that they were redirected and they will see what the proper name of the org is. Yossiea 20:57, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

1) yes there is a page like this2)and there needs to be an explanation that the redirect isn't a mistake, so others should not undo it.--יודל 21:01, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

When they get redirected they will see why. There is no reason to put it in the lead. Yossiea 21:08, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

OK i agree with u that maybe it makes the lead too condensed, I will try to fix it and put it somewhere else.--יודל 21:11, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

AJOP belongs in the lead?

OK, and you don't need the AJOP in the lead, if the name is spelled out. It's redundant. I could maybe see it in the article, but it's not stylistically correct to have AJOP and then the name. I will remove them both for now. What I will accept, is in the article a mention that somepeople call it AJOProfessionalls even though AJOP calls themselves AJOPrograms. (Don't forget, the Association is an association of Kiruv programs, not people.) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Yossiea (talk • contribs) 21:22, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

I don't think so, if all the sources call it first and foremost AJOP this must come in the lead.--יודל 21:25, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

No, that's not how an encyclopedia works. The name of the organization is in the lead. I will rename it according to Wikistandards, as per IRS and FBIYossiea 21:29, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

Do u read your links before posting them? both the FBI and the IRS have their initials irs and fbi in the lead.--יודל 21:30, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

And so does this article now. Yossiea 21:31, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

Thanks.--יודל 21:32, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

Can we call it quits now? Yossiea 21:33, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

Absolutely never! we must stay alerted further to better this project.--יודל 21:40, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

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