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Paul Chalifoux

Franco-Albertan includes anybody of French heritage, regardless of whether their primary language is English or French. Bearcat 15:40, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

Edmonton municipal election, 1941

I noticed this on new-page patrol. I then saw that you have created many arricles on individual municipal elections in Edmonton. Why do you think that these various elections are individually notable, and should have separate articles about them? They seem to me not gratly different from the local elections that occur in thousands of towns and cites all over the world. If we were to have a separate articel on each such election in each such munipipality, even Wikipedi would goran under the laod -- and what is more i don't think that these articles pass WP:N. Why do you think that these articles should exist as separate articles? You have obviously put a lot of time into this. DES 05:56, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

I got your note, and I take the points you made. I still don't think that these articels pass WP:N, But I hate to simply AfD them, and lose your extensive work. (I also don't relish tagging each and every one -- although i would probably use WP:AWB for the purpose. There has been a general agreemetn that purely or primarily media local coverage of inherently local events does not suffice to pass WP:N

Yet when all of these are taken together, there is soem value in the information. What would you say to merging these into a single large article on Edmonton elections, or perhaps, if that would be too long, a single article for eavery twenty or tenyear period? I would like to get your input into this possibility before creatinmg a mass AfD, as I hope this could be a positive way out of the situation.

Oh by the way, if you use four tildes (~~~~) to sign your posts on talk pages, there will be a link to your user page in your signature, as well as a timestamp. This is helpful to others (or if you have edited your signatuire so as to not include any link, I urge you to restore a link to your user or talk page, or both.) DES 15:03, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

It is my general view that fewer larger articles are better than more smaller one. For example, i merge articles on individual books into single articles on the series to which they belong. I think this helps give a better overview of the topic, reduces reposition particularly in articles that would otherwise be quite short, while keeping things in a joint article provides some pressure not to go into excessive detail that is not notable. Here, my specific thought was that while any particular election is quite probably not notable, perhaps the elections overall, as a series, should be considered notable.

I am not holding off just because of your work, but that work helps make it clear that these articles are a good-faith effort to improve the project, so I want to avoid acting rashly, while not letting things drag out overly, either. Of course you don't WP:OWN the articles, and an article on a non-notable subject is not saved just because lots of work was put in, but that suggests being a trifle cautious about the matter.

As to the signature, all i can say is that no link shows up -- you might want to look at what is in the signature field in your preferences, since that is what is used by the four tilde code. I have seen some users who sort of fake a sig while not using the tilde mechanism, and I thought that perhaps you were one. DES 20:02, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

The signature is now indeed fixed. You can later vary it if you choose -- some include a link to the relevant talk page as I do, some to the contributiosn list, etc etc.

As to involving more people, that is indeed a good idea. There are several possible ways to do this, but I think that perhaps the Request for comment process would be best in thsi instance. i will start an RFC on this topic, and send you amsg with a link. We can see what, if anything, others say about the matter. You are quite correct that this is a judgement call, not a clear cur policy issue one way or the other, and no one person's view establishes consensus or polciy (except soemtimes Jimbo's, but i can't see him involved in this one). DES 20:21, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

RFC started

I have created an RFC page at Misplaced Pages:Requests for comment/Edmonton Election Pages and briefly stated my concerns there. I hope we will get a number of people discussing the issue helpfully. DES 20:58, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

While seeking out people who are likely to favor one side, and asking them to comment simply because of their views is generally frowned on (see WP:CANVASS) letting people likely to have legitimate interests know about an RfC can be helpful. Are these people who are already[REDACTED] editors? If not, perhaps you could ask them to join in on other articles first for a little bit to get an idea of how[REDACTED] works. If there is a place where they are likely to see a posted notice about this discussion ,but others who might be interested but perhaps have differing views might also see it, posting a notice there would be a particularly good idea. I have posted a mention at WT:N, the talk page of the primary notability guideline, for instance, and will mention it on the village pump. DES 21:48, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

June 2007

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Grandness of President

Well, while I lived over there I used to be a member of the Australian Wine Club of Edmonton, and we always referred to the title as Grand President, but if you really don't like it, i don't mind if you change it back, its just a title anyway!. Tazchook 23:42, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

Elections RFC result

The RFC did not have nearly the level of participation I had hoped for. But there was clearly no support for deleting these articles. It is possible that an AfD would get a different group of editors, and thus a different result, but that would be forum shopping to a degree, and I'm not convinced enough that these ought to be deleted to do that. I do think that User:Johntex had some valid points about the benefits of a merge, or perhaps an overall summery article, but that is an editorial decision i won't attempt to impose. Feel free to continue with these articles whenever you choose, I won't be using AfD on them.

I apologize for not re ponding to you sooner -- I've been rather busy on-wiki with some completely different stuff, see Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#User:Naconkantari and User:DESiegel/RFC Draft/Naconkantari if you are interested.

I will close out the RfC. DES 03:23, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

RE: Edmonton municipal election, 1960

Yeah I have no problem with that, it's just that "red" links spoil the page, though if you're going to create articles for those links that's okay. Thanks for letting me know seven+one 20:23, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

Alberta municipal elections

Hi. No need to merge the Edmonton article! The main article is going to be too long as it is. Plus, we have articles on many municipal elections. See Vancouver municipal election, 2005, or Winnipeg municipal election, 2006. You might want to check out previous provincial election pages. I worked a lot of on the Ontario municipal elections, 2006 page and the Ottawa municipal election, 2006 page. Like you, last year I was trying to get info on Ottawa elections and city councils, but unlike you I didn't finish the job (or come anywhere close, really). Anyways, check those pages out for what kind of info should exist. Go right ahead and create articles on St. Albert elections if you want! (BTW, I'm also an inclusionist, so I'll support you along the way) -- Earl Andrew - talk 17:07, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

User:Ultrabias

I have approached this editor again on this issue, because really, his that I've seen edits are perfectly fine, in fact, quite good. And he seems to know a great deal about the topic. Misplaced Pages needs more editors interested in making Muslim articles adhere to NPOV. If he would just cut the insulting edit summaries, (and the inflammatory talk page replies when challenged about them) he'd be a valuable contributor to the project. So I suggest talking to him first as we have (he is a bit arch, and certainly coasted along the edge of WP:CIVIL with you, but he's not like, totally out of control). Though to be honest, I suspect he's not going to stop. Shame in a way, but totally unacceptable. Your Wikialert sums up the problems completely from my point of view. Dina 14:15, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

WQA

I was completely unaware. Thank you for telling me. ColdFusion650 20:52, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

For the record, you are correct in assuming I was joking about exiling users to the Black Sea. ColdFusion650 21:00, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

In hindsight, perhaps it wasn't a good idea. The point was to use a joke to lower the tension and show I wasn't angry or anything. Perhaps I should have included the link. ColdFusion650 21:31, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

Heya SI. :) Just wanted to congratulate you on a job well done on that particular dispute. :) — KieferSkunk (talk) — 01:01, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

(Copied from User talk:KieferSkunk) Thanks. I initially did it because I'd posted one and figured I should probably contribute to a couple as well, and because I felt guilty about being a rapid article creator/expander without giving back with many of the less sexy tasks that keep Misplaced Pages going, but I had fun - I think I'll stick around that page. I'd always appreciate pointers, though. Sarcasticidealist 01:05, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

Had the same experience myself - see my WQA on User:JAF1970 toward the top of the page. :) — KieferSkunk (talk) — 01:12, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

Editor Review

Hiya - I've added a reply to your comments. Glad I could review and I hope it helps. If you ever need anything please feel free to ask if you think I can help out. Very Best, and, of course, Happy Editing . Pedro |  Chat  15:45, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

No, in fairness they do not. I would take the approach in that instance of personally warning the user against abusive edit summaries. It certainly isn't vandalism but it is borderline trolling. I think you did the right thing. Pedro |  Chat  19:30, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

Hey, could you help me out

Could you help me out and verify I'm not going crazy. I tried to input my userbox, {{User:Lighthead/Photek}} onto the Misplaced Pages artists list; but the page went all wonky on me. Could you do it for me anyway you feel would be the way and tell me what happens. Maybe I'm doing it wrong. And trust me this isn't some reverse psychology test; I'm just really frustrated because I've been trying to do this for like 3 days, and I'm going slightly nuts. Well, anyway thanks. þ 23:47, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

-- I'll try him but it doesn't seem like you put his username right (for there is a dead link). Either that or he was blocked, I doubt it. But thanks. þ 03:48, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

Karl Belanger

His info was already merged into the target page. Open your eyes. GreenJoe 00:56, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

If you look at the history, someone had removed the information. I checked and reverted it after I got your last note. GreenJoe 01:52, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

Here is the proof. GreenJoe 01:54, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

No hard feelings. I've been dealing with anonymous IP's for the last few days, they can fubar things. :-) GreenJoe 01:57, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

Candidates for the Canadian House of Commons

You rock. Bearcat 02:17, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

Image copyright problem with Image:Matthewmccauley.jpg

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If you have any questions, please feel free to ask them at the media copyright questions page. Thanks again for your cooperation. NOTE: once you correct this, please remove the tag from the image's page. STBotI 16:21, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

You deserve a cookie

David Latta

Hey, I noticed that you just created this disambiguation page, but none of the people listed actually have articles. Are you planning to create each of the separate articles for these people? If not, how about you change it from a disambiguation page to an article about just one of the David Lattas? If you need help, feel free to drop me a line on my talk page. GlassCobra 08:09, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

That's a decent solution, considering you changed all the links to their more specific counterparts. I'm cool with that. GlassCobra 08:30, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

Sid Ryan

Hi Sarcasticidealist, I'm just loosely following this editing battle, but I'm unsure why you removed User:Ross Crea's last edit. I understand that this is the same person as the previous anon, but I don't really see how the content is POV. It's written in the first person, but that 's just an editing issue, is it not? The lack of sources is also not a POV issue. Cheers,--Bookandcoffee 00:42, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

Hey thanks for the reply SI. Sorry if I came across too blunt with the "battle" term. I would agree that this is more of a good faith/new editor issue, so hopefully it does resolve itself. Cheers,--Bookandcoffee 01:20, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

Wiki alert comment

Thank you for letting me know. I am happy to learn I can participate there. --CrohnieGal 14:30, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

Wong-Rieger

Thank you for fixing my erroneous inclusion of Durhane Wong-Rieger in the category of candidates for the House of Commons; I meant, of course, that she had been a candidate for the Ontario Legislature. (Do we have a category for that, by the way?) DS 13:34, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

Talkpage Shenanigans

I don't know what the cookie thing is about, but I think you deserve one from me as well. I'm a newer contributor, don't have much time at all (to study the full extent of Wiki functions and protocols--have to learn it over time), and as a Misplaced Pages newbie briefly got lured into a petty pissing contest on a talk page. (Well, I didn't know at first I'd gotten myself involved in the pettiness. I'm honestly so green, I didn't realize that people could or would easily access deleted talk page entries, or hunt down targeted users' contributions, etc.--I just thought delete meant delete (now I know better), so twice when a user seemed snotty and boorish to me, I let myself vent at him on the talk page, deleted the emotional responses, and thought I was leaving neutral responses and cooperating in the Wiki spirit. But he started charging me with sending him secret "messages" in the form of deleted talk page entries (Yikes.), and reported me to the authorities.) I'm glad the authority was you. Sarcasticidealist, thanks for adjudicating respectfully, pointing out the proper protocol at issue, and presenting such a wonderful, Canadian model of keeping on the productive track. I learned a couple little lessons from you there, technical and social--I can imagine they'll even help in other venues. Cheers! Blanche Poubelle 16:02, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

Thanks

I am new to[REDACTED] editing, although for information purpose i have been scanning[REDACTED] for quite some time, but only recently i decided become an editor as well, i have gone through your userpage, and i am sure you will be able to help me understand working of[REDACTED] in general, like what is ok and what is not, basicly i am an engineering student, and have interest in writing and publishing, i am on my way to publish my first book, and currently doing research regarding the same subject. I thought it will be benifitial for me to start with an article on[REDACTED] with so many user's here, it will help me a lot to gather information. I am interesting in knowing how wikiepdia works, how its policies are implimented and how is it made sure that article is in accordence with all the policies of wikipedia.

Now that i have accepted you as my mentor, how do we move ahead. Should i remove that tag from my user page ?

Best Wishes --Rushmi 06:27, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

As such i have no immediate goal, but i am interested in long term goal, as i wish to contribute to[REDACTED] for long term on subject's which i am interested in like world politic's, semiconductor physics, religious organizations and also helping in keeping[REDACTED] article detailed, and covering wide range of information related to subject at hand, I have picture of world book (Oxford publication's) when i look at any article. Is it possible to achieve that on wikipedia ?

To start with i would like to learn about policies governing layout of any article. Also can we make a test page somewhere and get it verified by someone if the layout is in accordence to[REDACTED] standered ? --Rushmi 06:49, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

We had a festival here in india, and i was the co-ordinator for the event, so was busy with that stuff, i will be free today after some time, was, actually i was trying to give a link to what is stated there as a reference, but am not sure how to do that, was thinking of looking at some other pages but since internet was a bit slow yesterday so skipped it. how do we provide a link as a refrence to what is stated in the statement ?? --Rushmi 06:28, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

Wikiquette help

I was wondering if you could give me a hand with this. I was hoping we were done with the whole thing, and now it seems to be a bit out of control. I don't believe I should be the one to respond, but this user's behavior has gone from bad to worse fast. If there's another user or a different WP page to go to, point me there. Thanks for your help. --Cheeser1 03:32, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

I've responded at my talk page, FYI. --Cheeser1 04:33, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

Request

Would you be willing to look over a discussion that User:GoldDragon and I are having on the Joe Volpe page? Our differences are primarily centred around a single paragraph in a section marked "Other Controversies", having to do with Volpe's interactions with the Career Foundation.

GoldDragon and I expressed our views on the matter several months ago, in a section of the talk page entitled "The Placement Agency". I am now prepared to accept a compromise proposal that GoldDragon brought forward several months ago; GoldDragon, however, is no longer willing to settle for this version.

GoldDragon has also added a line about pizza to the main article, that I believe to be gratuitous (and perhaps a little insulting, as regards Volpe's ethnic background).

I should clarify that I am not familiar with your political views, and I'm not making this request because I expect you to "take my side" in the discussion. I would simply welcome your input in resolving a contentious, if minor, controversy that has been vexing me for some time. CJCurrie 21:49, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

Just as a note, I actually did not implement the compromise proposal, and I'm not prepared to do so now, as it omits relevant information, and also in light of new advice from GroundZero who moderated a later dispute. Second, I'm puzzled about how CJCurrie would over-worried about pizza being "gratuitous" and a "slur", when he has no reservations about maintaining similar content on Mel Lastman. GoldDragon 17:26, 22 September 2007 (UTC)