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Ditto

Ditto. If you can't keep process and person separate (what is your "us"?) then talking to you obviously isn't going to accomplish much. Marskell 21:59, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

Wow. Look, I agree with a grand total of none of the things you have brought up. When I speak of "us" and "our", I refer to those of us that work in the GA a project, that work being our edits. If I must type out "GA project participants" every time for clarification purposes, then consider that another reason I don't want to participate in this discussion anymore. I am not going to sway in my position. My view of FA and GA and how they relate to each other isn't changing anytime soon. So let it go. Make your proposals, hash it out. I've said my peace at the Village Pump. Keep the discussion there and hash it out with whoever else decides to comment. Strong oppose. I'm done. Lara❤Love 22:06, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

Super Mario RPG lists

Currently, Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars has two lists pertaining to it (List of characters in Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars, and List of locations in Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars). User:TTN decided it would be best to merge the lists into the main article and split Smithy Gang into those articles. I recently merged Smithy Gang into the list of chatacters by removing the non-notable characters, and I have asserted that a cameo section in the list of characters is valid, per Misplaced Pages:Trivia sections and Misplaced Pages:Handling trivia that uses Alex Trebek#Cameos as a good example. I have suggested that we rename the articles per Misplaced Pages:Requested moves#Requesting potentially controversial moves to something along the lines of Characters of Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars and World of Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars or Mushroom Kingdom (Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars) just like Characters of Final Fantasy VIII and World of Final Fantasy VI or Gaia (Final Fantasy VII). I believe if these articles are to evolve beyond a non-notable list, they should be renamed. For example, List of Final Fantasy VII locations was merged into Gaia (Final Fantasy VII), because a World article is notable, but a simple list of locations is not. That is why there are other secions of the article to make it a World article. It simply has not been renamed yet.

TTN believes the citations in the development and reception sections of the list of locations, books and magazines, are trivial sources. When I added that the 3D perspective of the game is reminicent of Equinox to the main article, TTN removed it since my souce was "the opinions of the Nintendo Power player's guide writers". Although it was actually Nintendo Power magazine, I do believe a magazine is a reliable source, and I gave a page from Next Generation Magazine which also said the same thing. In addition, I was surprized that TTN said that it was from the players guide, since he claims to own the players guide for the game. He has not verified this, since I asked him for citations in May, "Could you look in the back of the Player's Guide and tell me what “types” of … Magic? I forgot what they call it in the game … well, anyways, what types of Special Attack or whatever it is (actually, could you find out what it's called?) there are? I remember some vaguely when I owned the guide like “Fire”, “Jump”, “Electricity?”, etc. Could you provide a citation, like the page number with a quote in context?" TTN replied that he was going to "get to it" (User talk:TTN/Archive 5#List of locations in Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars). TTN claims the player's guide is "at the bottom of a box that's behind at least five others in a cramped space". Seeing that TTN did not recognize that the page was not from the player's guide when I provided a scan of the page in question from Nintendo Power shocked me. However, I have continued to assume good faith by not questioning TTN's honesty.

Per Misplaced Pages:Consensus#Consensus can change, I have offered five different reasonable, temporary compromises that might integrate my idea with TTN's.

1. Go over the list of characters so we can delete non–notable characters
2. Rename the articles by following the steps at Misplaced Pages:Requested moves#Requesting potentially controversial moves.
3. Cut down the geography section list of locations by cutting it into the regional maps the adventures use when traveling from one to another. I can get pictures and write the fair use rationals, and someone can cut down the text that has no citation and does not allude to other media.
4. Write the concept and creation and reception sections for the list of characters
5. Write the concept and creation section for the main article

TTN rejected my compromise because it still keeps the articles. I agreed I would consider a redirect, but Misplaced Pages:Article size does not allow that, since the list of locations is currently 82 KB long. Instead, I agreed to help cut down the geography section that is the bulk of the article, but TTN rejected that as well because TTN states, "I am not interested in working on the article in regards to improving it." and "get past this "having sources automatically means that this information is good" mentality." TTN states, "I don't think they have or will ever assert notability." I have replied with, "Misplaced Pages is not a crystal ball, so if you don't think the articles will ever assert notability, we cannot yet know this, per Misplaced Pages:Arguments to avoid in deletion discussions#I don't like it.

Would you please take a look at Talk:Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars and give us your thoughts? Taric25 01:09, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

I'm sorry, but why have you come to me with this? I don't deal with merges and such. And the article doesn't meat the GA criteria, so I'm actually really surprised you've pointed it out. Why is the development section empty? It's not comprehensive, which is a GA requirement. A list of fictional locations and such do not meet notability guidelines, in my opinion. Merge them into the article then finish it. Writing a development section should be priority 1, otherwise, it's going to get delisted. Lara❤Love 02:16, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

The article is actually already at GA status, but that's not why I came to you. I saw you had responded on video game articles, so I decided to drop a message. I also believe that a list of fictional locations is not notable. The arcticle should be renamed to something like World of Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars or Mushroom Kingdom (Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars) just like World of Final Fantasy VI or Gaia (Final Fantasy VII). I believe if these articles are to evolve beyond a non-notable list, they should be renamed. For example, List of Final Fantasy VII locations was merged into Gaia (Final Fantasy VII), because a World article is notable, but a simple list of fictional locations is not. That is why there are other sections of the article to make it a World article. Is that any clearer? Taric25 04:28, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

I realize that it is already listed as a GA, my point is that it doesn't meet the criteria and that needs to be corrected, otherwise it will be delisted. I'll comment on the article talk page regarding the merge if that's what you're needing. Lara❤Love 04:31, 1 October 2007

Please notice the fifth compromise I offered TTN was to write the concept and creation (Development) section for the main article, which TTN rejected because TTN believes that a magazine is a trivial source. Taric25 04:34, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

message from help desk

continued from User talk:LaraLove/Archive 9#message from help desk

Okay. Now I see how you can see my userboxes and I can't (from my computer). Right now, I'm on a borrowed laptop, and I can finally see the userboxes. The whole problem may be because of something with my computer. Just wanted to let you know. MITB LS 01:52, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

No, that probably won't work. I clear my cookies all the time. MITB LS 02:02, 1 October 2007 (UTC)