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Could you comment about a WP:BLP issue?

Tony, would you consider commenting at or about this issue I posted at WP:BLP/N? The article is most certainly not a biography, despite the rather awful title (referring to Mr Wallace as a "plaintiff" in the disambiguation, even when no disambig is needed...). The article should be moved, but I am at a loss as to an appropriate title. Thanks, Iamunknown 17:49, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

I had a look and made what I think is a usable suggestion. --Tony Sidaway 22:58, 29 September 2007 (UTC)


RfC

Just to let you know that I have filed an RfC on Phil Sandifer; it concerns his disputes with you. It's worth reading it.--Porcupine (prickle me!) 07:45, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

From User talk:Phil Sandifer

Is their any particular reason why you feel empowered to overrule a bureaucrat's closure? —David Levy 21:03, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

I await your response. —David Levy 03:12, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
The suggestion that Kelly Martin might ever be unworthy of trust, to the extent that an invocation of the Snowball clause can ever be considered worthy of consideration following an application' bone fides, for adminship, is absolutely unacceptable. --Tony Sidaway 03:54, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
This wasn't an invocation of the snowball clause. It was a proper application of policy. Quoth Misplaced Pages:Requests for adminship: "Bureaucrats may also use their discretion to close nominations early, if a promotion is unlikely and they see no further benefit in leaving the application open." The suggestion that it's okay (let alone productive) for someone to unilaterally revert a bureaucrat's RfA closure is absolutely unacceptable. —David Levy 04:06, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
That's so silly I find it offensive. It isn't just anybody applying for adminship, it's Kelly Martin. If there are serious objections to Kelly Martin's adminship, I'm sure I'm not the only one who would want to see them. To see bureaucrats running scared before the disgusting rabble is not fun, but it should not be used as an excuse to stop the discussion. --Tony Sidaway 04:37, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
You claimed that the snowball clause was invoked, which was false. A bureaucrat exercised his discretion (as entrusted by the community) to end the debate early. Whether this decision was correct is not the issue. The issue is that rather than discussing this, Phil unilaterally attempted to overrule the bureaucrat (which couldn't possibly have accomplished anything beneficial). He now refuses to explain why he believed that this was appropriate (and removed my request and that of the bureaucrat).
I'm offended by your reference to "disgusting rabble." Certainly, some nasty comments were made, but a vast majority of opponents cited legitimate concerns in a reasonable manner.
I'm also troubled by your implication that Kelly Martin is entitled to special treatment. I realize that she wanted the RfA to run the normal length (and I wouldn't have objected to such an occurrence), but she was fully aware of the fact that such debates can be closed early at a bureaucrat's discretion. —David Levy 05:23, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

You falsely claim that the Snowball clause was not invoked, I show you this edit.

Kelly Martin is obviously not entitled to special treatment, which is precisely why this close was utterly incorrect. Any bureacrats who might have been involved should be, and I have no doubt are, bloody well ashamed of themselves. --Tony Sidaway 05:35, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

There is nothing in that edit summary saying it was a snowball close. The earlier one was, I think. The funny thing is, as I read through the closed RfA, I was thinking of supporting, then I was thinking of opposing, then I thought neutral would have been best. I wonder if !voting in all three sections would raise a few eyebrows? (Or if anyone would even notice...) Carcharoth 05:39, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
It was a snowball close. --Tony Sidaway 05:58, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
Does it really matter whether it was snowed or not? Viridae 06:34, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
It obviously matters that the loonies closed it. --Tony Sidaway 06:38, 2 October 2007 (UTC)