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::Stop being so impatient. The page has been protected, period. You have to discuss the issue and not revert. This is not an emergency. ] 13:55, 3 October 2007 (UTC) ::Stop being so impatient. The page has been protected, period. You have to discuss the issue and not revert. This is not an emergency. ] 13:55, 3 October 2007 (UTC)
::I question the very soundness of protecting the page in the first place. You do not protect the page for anons and vandals. Please, El C, do not use your admin tools in order to get an upper hand in such disputes. And also, please keep Neil out of this, since he was only acting as per the consensus on the ] page. Please revert yourself on ] and participate in the ongoing discussion. Cheers! — ] ] 13:57, 3 October 2007 (UTC) ::I question the very soundness of protecting the page in the first place. You do not protect the page for anons and vandals. Please, El C, do not use your admin tools in order to get an upper hand in such disputes. And also, please keep Neil out of this, since he was only acting as per the consensus on the ] page. Please revert yourself on ] and participate in the ongoing discussion. Cheers! — ] ] 13:57, 3 October 2007 (UTC)
:::The question arises: are you going to try to establish this constitutes a violation of the Committee ruling on her, or revert a protected page a third time, and risk being blocked. I just want you to consider carefully whether a more patient, communicable approach wouldn't be in everyone's best interests, in the immediate moment. As I try to clarify what is what here. Thanks again. ] 13:58, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

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Edward Low and other piracy related thing

The Tireless Contributor Barnstar
When I first saw Edward Low the first thing I thought was "holy crap that's freakin' amazing!" Great job on the article! Deflagro /T 01:07, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

I was surprised to see that you were not in the Directory of Participants in the Wikiproject Piracy. It would be great to have you in on the project because as you may have noticed I think I am the only one active in it right now. What I need help on is I am the only contributor to the Portal:Piracy (the creator even told me he wouldn't be active enough for its upkeep) and sometimes I get behind on adding new things so I was hoping you could help me out with it. If you could reply on my talk page that'd be great! Thanks! Deflagro /T 01:07, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

Okay. I've looked and had trouble finding sources on Charles Harris. The only thing I found was in the Pirates' Who's Who (which is wrong a lot of the time) and that is the only thing that makes up the stub right now. Good luck with it! I'll look into putting it in an ad also. Thanks for the idea! Deflagro /T 15:11, 28 September 2007 (UTC)
Just finished with the ad. Here it is! Couldn't figure out an internal link so here is an external link to the Commons page. Deflagro /T 17:45, 28 September 2007 (UTC)
Heh! That made me laugh! I just posted the ad on the Project's talk page and hopefully this will get a few more members. Thanks for your help and idea! Deflagro /T 19:07, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

User:82.23.17.229

I noticed you blocked User:82.23.17.229 please bear in mind that this is one of numerous socks see here for just a few of them --Barryob Vigeur de dessus 11:02, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

The IP I blocked was the only one that made personal attacks. The others have edited Scottish articles, but given it's a Scottish IP range, that's to be expected. Neil  11:34, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

Article Resque Squadron Move Request

Greetings, I'm tring to get the current move request sorted so we can move on to other ones if we need to. Would you mind stating your position in: Article Rescue Squadron Talk #Requested_move, Thanks Fosnez 11:27, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

Your pirate

Hey Neil. Cool little story you've got there. Ya, the page is in good shape. Here's what I'd note if it were on FAC:

  • Is the lead sufficient? It's a small article, so the lead doesn't have to be huge but you might have more. Try some totals. "Although he was only active for two years, he achieved noteriety..." "He is known to have captained # ships..." and then give a rough total of raids.
  • You may be over blue-linking slightly. (I think Blackbeard is linked thrice.)
  • Some minor prose redundancy issues (he married a lady named Eliza Marble).
  • Check you're unpacking all the ref info. Some of the web sources have last access date, others not. The only thing I'm somewhat strict about is listing the publisher, as it's the main determinant of reliability.
  • Some one sentence paragraphs. It makes the flow choppy.
  • People might be concerned about the age of the refs.

A last point: is he only and ever referred to as Ned? If so, I don't think it inappropriate to rename the page such and refer to him so. Cheers, Marskell 13:01, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

OK, this may be a problem: how reliable is this? I can't find publisher info. Marskell 13:41, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

While I am at it...

(Courtesy The New Yorker)

Story: Waiting for the uptown No. 1 train, a hare becomes ill and tumbles onto the tracks. "Help me!" the hare shouts to a nearby crow. But the crow is uncertain. "How do I know you won't eat me?" he asks. "I'm helpless," replies the hare. "Besides, hares do not eat crows." Satisfied the crow flutters down from the platform and grips the hare by the scruff of the neck. Suddenly, the hare flips around eats the crow. "That'll show him," he says.

Moral: Hares will eat anything. Marskell 13:47, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

I don't think you're supposed to get it. Just the usual non-sequitur homour from the Shouts & Murmurs page—I was giggling for an hour. There's a good one about a dog and magic hen but I'll save it if it's not your thing.
The Bibliography you linked seems fine. Somebody may ask at FAC. Marskell 14:24, 28 September 2007 (UTC)


Wondering, Neil:

Neil, I am new to Wiki posting. You have deleted

* John W. Dickenson (Grafton, NSW, Australia) In 1963: innovative manned kite and hang glider designer.  

and I am wondering why? How do we place the guy on the page to satisfy you? The guy is noted for many things; it is just that the only thing so far known about him ....a beginning... has to do with his making a kite in 1963. What would satisfy you? Joefaust http://HangGliderHistory.com —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.106.106.81 (talk) 16:54, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

Talk page

Personally, I'd like to see this page unprotected, at least on a trial basis. But I appreciate there may be very good reasons for it being semi-protected I don't fully know about. How about something at the top of the page telling anonymous users who have a real need to contact you to use User talk:Bishzilla or a subpage of this talk page? Neil  11:03, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

Hi, Neil. Thank you for asking nicely. I did notice User:Until(1 == 2) suggesting the same thing on ANI ], and thought it rather a good idea. But I admit I lost momentum when someone else then complained about how wrong it would be to "relegate" some users to a subpage and in any case I have "many tools". I mean, if it's not even good enough... Also, perhaps more cogently, I'm pretty sure I would miss posts on a subpage (including Bishzilla). When my watchlist has almost a hundred new items at the top, as frequently happens, I do sometimes overlook changes to watched pages. Hmm. I have thought of sending anons on to a friend's page, so I'd get help in noticing new posts, but... well, I really don't want the person bugging my friends, any more than myself. You know, every time I've experimentally unprotected, he has noticed it very quickly. It seems unlikely (how does he do that?), but is a fact. Oh... I see you reckon the world wouldn't come to an end. No, very true, and a gracious thought. Bishonen | talk 20:26, 28 September 2007 (UTC).
I think Bishzilla would scare all of the anons away, IMHO. M. 06:04, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

Opera Proxies

Hey! Thanks for the advice :) I'm not planning on blocking them at all.... I'm a little new to be comfortable rangeblocking, or, blocking a prominent company.... BTW, I do a lot of editing on my Axim via opera, too... I didn't know it used a proxy! :( I thought it just used my home / work wi-fi. Anyhow, I appreciate the tip, thanks! :) SQL 15:29, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

Opera Mini testing

Test

Opera Mini 4 beta simulator Java browser demo test! 195.189.142.143 17:16, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

Opera Mini 3 Java simulator test

Earlier one was Opera Mini 4 beta simulator - is the IP different?1 195.189.142.200 17:36, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

Signed in test via PDA

Opera Mini Neil  17:18, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

Signed out Opera Mini 4 test with PDA

La la la. 195.189.142.149 17:21, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

Signed out Opera Mini 3 test via phone

Tum ti tum. 195.189.142.228 17:27, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

Template:Film

Hey, thanks for the edits, but technically those aren't the editprotected requests, which are located a little higher up on the talk page. But the edits you made should be helpful, too! :) Girolamo Savonarola 17:48, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

Look for the big edit-protected alert; I believe the section is called -importance something or another. Girolamo Savonarola 17:51, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

FiveBarGate

Hi Neil,

With reference to your deletion:

- 13:41, 28 September 2007 Neil (Talk | contribs) deleted "FiveBarGate" ‎ (WP: CSD#G12 - Blatant advertising, no assertion of notability provided)

The Misplaced Pages Deletion Policy reference you mentioned above states:

“Blatant advertising. Pages which exclusively promote some entity and which would need to be fundamentally rewritten to become encyclopedic. Note that simply having a company or product as its subject does not qualify an article for this criterion.”

Bearing in mind that the deleted article refers to the patented concept of FiveBarGate (US Patent Pending), and not a company or product:

- Does the concept become "non-encyclopaedic" because the inventor, Martin Dippenaar, decided to incorporate a company with the same name?

- Would the content still be regarded at “blatant advertising” if the external link reference to the FiveBarGate Company’s website mentioned above was removed?

The purpose of the FiveBarGate article I posted was to explain the concept as factually as possible, and not to promote any company or product. Clearly by the fact that the concept and the company share the same name, it is difficult to explain the concept without promoting the company, but by no means was this intentional. Could you recommend changes to the content that would make this more explicit?

In future there will most likely be a requirement to post an article about the actual FiveBarGate Company and its products. There are many articles like this in Misplaced Pages, for example the article Security_token lists many such Company/Product articles (VeriSign, VASCO, Aladdin Knowledge Systems, RSA_Security, etc) that exclusively promote some entity, company or product. At what point does it become possible to post such an article and not be in contravention of the Misplaced Pages Deletion policy you refer to?

I am new to editing Misplaced Pages so any help would be much appreciated.

Thanks, Sergio.

Responded on user's talk page. Neil  16:50, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

Place of lies

Dear Sir, you told me that I informed Wikipedians here about Petr K's misconduct on cs:. Your information is not correct. I wrote only about Petr K's misconduct here. Please see. I suppose you are disgusted by Petr K's breach of NPA the same way as me. —V. Z. 15:10, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

It's all referring to some trouble between the two of you on cs.wiki. Keep it there, please. Neil  16:51, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

No. He wrote: "Your friends and you personally have vandalized articles and offended other users – that's the main reason you (and others) were blocked several times." Do you see any cs:? What would you think if I wrote this about you? How would you behave in such a case?

I just voted against a very bad candidate, you supported him. I don't know why you think that because of my vote my friend and I should be personally attacked. —V. Z. 17:32, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

FYI, Petr K came to cs: on 3 January 2006, I was expelled out of there on 2 September 2005, after being bureaucrat for more than one year. That's why we never met there. But if you wish to discuss cs:, go to Meta:. —V. Z. 17:40, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

AfD nomination of Mishpachah Lev-Tsiyon

An article that you have been involved in editing, Mishpachah Lev-Tsiyon, has been listed for deletion. If you are interested in the deletion discussion, please participate by adding your comments at Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Mishpachah Lev-Tsiyon. Thank you. Drumpler 03:52, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

Template:Dyoh

I toned down the language to remove the biteyness. Take a look and tell me if you think it's better now. bibliomaniac15 04:46, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

Deeceevoice

As you seem to back and getting involved in stuff, I'm going to assume it's safe to post here now - while protecting Deeceevoice's userpage may be a good idea to stop "edit-warring", removing all the crap is explicitly mandated for in the Arbcom decision on Deeceevoice's conduct Misplaced Pages:Requests_for_arbitration/Deeceevoice#Offensive_user_page_prohibition. So I have done so, even if you had protected the page on m:The Wrong Version. If it's a massive problem, let me know. Neil  13:41, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

What are you doing? Do not edit protected pages without discussion. First, you discuss, then you edit protected pages. Thx in advance. El_C 13:43, 3 October 2007 (UTC)
There does not appear to be consensus that this content constitutes a violation as per the Committee's ruling, although I am open to review evidence to the contrary. In the meantime, continuing the very same revert war, while the page is protected because of it, is ... absurd. El_C 13:49, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

Protecting pages

Applying an Arbcom finding is not edit-warring - again, read Misplaced Pages:Requests_for_arbitration/Deeceevoice#Offensive_user_page_prohibition. Therefore, I've undone the page protection. You should probably discuss before protecting. Neil  13:49, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

Do not continue the revert war after the page has been protected due to this revert war. El_C 13:52, 3 October 2007 (UTC)
If you edit the protected page again without waiting to conclude the discussion, you will be blocked for disruption. El_C 13:54, 3 October 2007 (UTC)
Stop being so impatient. The page has been protected, period. You have to discuss the issue and not revert. This is not an emergency. El_C 13:55, 3 October 2007 (UTC)
I question the very soundness of protecting the page in the first place. You do not protect the page for anons and vandals. Please, El C, do not use your admin tools in order to get an upper hand in such disputes. And also, please keep Neil out of this, since he was only acting as per the consensus on the WP:ANI page. Please revert yourself on User:Deeceevoice and participate in the ongoing discussion. Cheers! — Nearly Headless Nick {C} 13:57, 3 October 2007 (UTC)
The question arises: are you going to try to establish this constitutes a violation of the Committee ruling on her, or revert a protected page a third time, and risk being blocked. I just want you to consider carefully whether a more patient, communicable approach wouldn't be in everyone's best interests, in the immediate moment. As I try to clarify what is what here. Thanks again. El_C 13:58, 3 October 2007 (UTC)
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