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Please take a look at ] -- I think some of the recent reversions have been performed under misapprehension (caused in part by misleading difs). <font face="Antiqua, serif">]<sup>]</sup><sub>]</sub></font> 17:31, 3 October 2007 (UTC) Please take a look at ] -- I think some of the recent reversions have been performed under misapprehension (caused in part by misleading difs). <font face="Antiqua, serif">]<sup>]</sup><sub>]</sub></font> 17:31, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

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Hi OM. I share your concern about the username to a certain degree. I don't know if you decoded the number - it spells Adolf again on a standard phone keyboard (I didn't get it at first as we never used the number/letter duality in Germany until the advent of the cell phone and text messages). --] 20:46, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

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Hi there! Sorry it took so long to get back to you, but I've been on a knitting bender, making socks for Christmas gifts, then the archiving bot took your post to my talk page archive before I saw it.

Anyway, if there's a program to help lose weight, I haven't found it, but I'm optimistic. When I had my first child, I lost 24 pounds in six days, so I've done it once and can do it again. That was expensive, though. And I had to take a baby boy home with me too. ;-) You could always turn to the myriad 'supplements,' like the ones that use chitin to bind cholesterol or some other such nonsense. (If that really worked, why not just eat lobster shells with a nice sauce and a lot of liquor and be done with it?)

Can't help you with the women, though. OTOH, it _is_ July, and you could always go over to a hospital near you and check out the brand new crop of wide-eyed interns. You know it's July when we have to dust off the "Ventilator Settings and IV Orders In The Real World" class and give it to them every damn morning until it sinks into their skulls. No software to teach them the difference between medical school and reality, and I'm _not_ optimistic about that. I guess I can't have everything.

Seriously, though, the apps/scripts I use most often, besides Butler, for Wiki-stuff (apologies if I've told you about these before):

  • My monobook.js file has Lupin's popups, Misza13's Status Switcher, and Twinkle.
  • TextExpander - a preference pane (accessed through System Preferences) allows me to type shortcuts - like "kk" for the four tildes, "citenews" to put in the {{cite news}} template, "oldafd" for {{Oldafdfull}}, and so on. It keeps track of how much time it saves you, and I'm at 2.86 hours of typing time saved. TextExpander was developed originally by the same guy who wrote Butler, Peter Maurer. He sold it to SmileOnMyMac last year sometime.
  • PTHPasteboard PRO - Butler allows custom pasteboards, which is good, but I've run into problems with instability if I ask it to save more than 50 pasteboards. PTHPasteboard is another preference pane that holds as many as I want and lets me do more things with them. I can name them, use hot keys for pasting each particular thing, and I can even publish and share pasteboards with other users (I haven't done that yet). There's a free version that I used for a long time, but I'm glad I paid the $20 for the pro version.
  • Sidenote - Sidenote is a tiny little memo app that hides on the side of your window and slides out when you need to jot something down. It's freeware, and you can create as many little notes as you like, format them with color, font, text size, and titles, name them, email them, export them, and more. It's very handy for numbers, phrases, instructions, quick reminders, grocery lists, and so on. For admin duties, I use it to hold blocks of text while editing, and for AFDs that I've relisted - each relisted AFD has to be manually removed from the old log and inserted into the new date, and I do that in batches of four or five, so I list their titles there so I can make sure I handle each one correctly.
  • browseback - another SmileOnMyMac app that runs in the background and saves my browser history. I used to use HistoryHound, but it didn't save the page as it's viewed, and browseback does. There have been some complaints about the app's CPU usage, but Camino uses more than browseback does, and I'm on a 15" PowerBook G4 with 1.5GB of RAM. If you use Application Enhancer, browseback has to be on its Master Exclude List because it crashes otherwise, but don't worry about it if you don't use anything that requires Application Enhancer to run.
  • Saft - I use Camino as my default browser, but when I do use Safari I use Saft. Saft is an input manager that lets me customize features of Safari. There's at least 50 different things it does, so go to VersionTracker if you want to check it out. The developer is a Chinese guy living in Sweden and his English isn't perfect, but he's really quick with support if you need it.

Okay, I'll shut up now. Email me if you have any questions, so I don't clutter up your talk page. It's time to eat some ice cream. See ya - KrakatoaKatie 22:52, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

You always catch me when I'm gone for a few days. Suspicious minds would wonder if I'm being watched... ;-)

I was coming to recommend Twinkle, but I see you've already got it. You can take a look at my monobook.js page if you want to see how it can be configured, 'cause I don't have the whole script imported like you do. AzaToth is pretty responsive to questions and bugs, and the Twinkle talk page is lively if help is needed.

I must go knit now. Christmas is coming... so much yarn to buy, so much to knit and so little time. I'll be in and out of here, mainly 'out' with brief bursts of 'in', until I'm sure everything will be completed. See ya – :-) KrakatoaKatie 15:30, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

I added the piece that gives non-admins the rollback buttons - twinklefluff.js. You can add other modules as noted on the Twinkle page. I try new or revised scripts from time to time to see if I like them, then I remove the ones that don't float my boat. I've decided to test twinkleprod.js, twinklediff.js, and twinklesalt.js for a few days. You might like twinklearv.js, but it's useless to me because I don't have to report vandals anymore.
As for the nice neat edit summaries... it depends on what you're doing at the time. For some functions, the edit summary is given automagically when you use the buttons, and you can have it say whatever you want. When you use the buttons, a dropdown box will appear so you can state your reason for restoration or rollback. You can add the suffix 'using Twinkle' or 'eating Oreos' or whatever by changing the text in the 'summaryAd' line of TwinkleConfig, and you can also customize it for tagging pages for deletion or protection. (I don't use Twinkle for deletion or protection, so 'deletionSummaryAd' and 'protectionSummaryAd' are blank in my config.) For other tasks, like reverting vandalism, the edit summary is in the JavaScript and can't be changed _unless_ you decide to import the script/code itself into one of your subpages, find the text line somewhere in there, change it to something else you like, then use that page as a substitute for AzaToth's page. In other words, it's not easily modified by folks who don't speak JavaScript.
As an example, I futzed a bit with my own user talk page. Take a look at the page history and note the edit summaries.
  • First, I reverted your messages to my talk page using the 'rollback AGF' button. The 'reverting good faith edits' is Twinkle automagic. The 'testing for Orangemarlin...' line is what I added in the dropdown box, which will appear when you make this kind of edit, and 'using Twinkle' is the text in 'summaryAd' in my config (and yours).
  • Next, I reverted back using the 'rollback vandal' button. The edit summary was provided automagically by Twinkle, and I didn't add anything to it.
Questions, grasshopper? I'll check back later tonight or tomorrow. Play with your own talk page the same way I did to get a feel for the buttons. It's all trial and error. – KrakatoaKatie 02:05, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
Questions--Yes, I'm about to jump off the roof! What buttons???????? Do you hear that scream of pain from California. That's me!!!!! ArrrrrrrrrrrrggggggggggggghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhOrangeMarlin 04:26, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
Don't give up. I saw Timotab's advice about Camino, which is what I use 'cause I had problems with popups in Safari last year when I first started using scripts. The beta version doesn't seem to help much.
If bookmark synching is the chief problem with switching or simply using Camino for Wiki-purposes, there are some options. First, you could try Bookdog, a nifty little app that does a bunch of stuff – for this particular purpose, Bookdog lets you sync any or all bookmark files from some or all of your browsers. You could sync the bookmarks, then sync that file to as many Macs as you like in your usual and customary manner, be it with .Mac or a simple copy-and-paste of the .plist file. You could also give Google Bookmarks a whirl. I haven't worked with Google Bookmarks, but I have used Bookdog because I have an enormous bookmark file and I like to have all my bookmarks available in each of the four browsers I use. The GUI is terrific and it's easy to use. Google Bookmarks may take too long to set up with all your bookmarks, but Bookdog loads them all in a jiffy.
Also, I took a screenshot a couple of days ago that shows Twinkle's rollback buttons and some of the tabs at the top. I'm thinking about writing a help-type page, which is why I took the shot, but since you're having trouble I uploaded it now.
I hate that my help doesn't seem to help very much, but I'm optimistic. We'll get there. :-) Download Bookdog and give it a whirl, 'cause I think it may be the way to go. Hang in there, and keep me posted – KrakatoaKatie 07:56, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

Los Angeles Kings

In Lucky Luc's case; his second captaincy tenure - lasted only 1 game (his last home game before retirement). It was a goodwill gesture by Mattias Norstrom (who resumed the captaincy the next game). GoodDay 23:49, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, I was there. Hold on while I shed a tear.  :) I just wanted to make sure it wasn't inconsistent with the template for the article. OrangeMarlin 23:52, 28 September 2007 (UTC)
Actually, on further review - your point is correct. For consistancy sake, I've listed Lucky Luc twice. GoodDay 23:58, 28 September 2007 (UTC)
I've removed Robitaille's second captaincy tenure. The Kings official website doesn't list it (guess, because it was only 1 game). GoodDay 15:11, 29 September 2007 (UTC)
Well, it was fun while it lasted. However, I was at the game, and he did have a C, but I guess that qualifies as original research.  :) OrangeMarlin 16:06, 29 September 2007 (UTC)
I'd follow the Kings official website. Afterall, it was just one game (and Norstrom's gesture). GoodDay 17:11, 29 September 2007 (UTC)
You're putting tears in my eyes again. First, talking about Luc. Now Matty. Let me go roast some duckling tonight, then I'll feel better. OrangeMarlin 17:14, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

You may enjoy this......

here....cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 23:03, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

Note from Wikidudeman

You should stop asserting that I claim to be an "Owner" of the Homeopathy article. I have explained in detail how nothing I am doing is anywhere near exhibiting ownership of the article yet you continue to refer to me as the "owner" of the article. This is counter productive and it needs to stop. Secondly, You need to read the talk page prior to making anymore revisions. Ignoring the discussion on the talk page and persisting in making controversial disagreed upon edits does not help anything either. The information that you keep moving from the Clinical trials section was actually written for that section. It fits nowhere else and without it, The clinical trials section starts off by talking about "later" trials without ever elaborating on earlier trials. Wikidudeman 01:34, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

Why should I? You act as if you are the owner of the article. You never allow any changes to be made without YOUR permission. Have you noticed that? So let's discuss the clinical trials. The way YOU have written it, it's as if Homeopathy created clinical trials. Not relevant to a section that is in essence a critique of Homeopathy. Your attitude towards this article is reprehensible. Back away. Let others edit, without your reverts on it. But as long as any time someone walks into the article, you have to revert it back to your perception of perfection (nice alliteration I admit), then I'm going to state that you are exhibiting ownership. The funny thing I don't believe you are a POV-warrior. But note that ALL of your support is from POV warriors who have been the subject of a number of blocks, AN/I's, RfC's, whatever. What does that tell you? OrangeMarlin 06:37, 30 September 2007 (UTC)
Firstly, 95% of the edits that are made to that article are NOT reverted by me nor are they disputed by me. Please explain how this is ownership like. I am an active editor to the article and thus bring up what I disagree with. That's how wikipedia editors are supposed to work, bringing up things they disagree with. I'm Pro-active.
Secondly, The sentence SIMPLY says that homeopathic provings were ahead of their time at the turn of the 18th century and they were among the first to use clinical trials with control groups, quantitative procedures and statistics in their experiments. It does not say that Homeopathy "created" clinical trials anywhere. Please respond. Wikidudeman 14:48, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

I hate to agree, but it does look like Wikidudeman has a WP:OWN problem in this case.--Filll 15:27, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

I'm done with trying to AFG with WDM. I wonder if he sees why his RfA went down in flames? OrangeMarlin 16:09, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

As well as a bit of a problem apprehending NOR and the subtleties of English. &#0149;Jim62sch&#0149; 16:10, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

Let's clear this up right now. According to WP:OWN, examples of Ownership are:

  • Minor edits concerning layout, image use, and wording are disputed on a daily basis by one editor. The editor may state or imply that changes must be reviewed by him/her before they can be added to the article. (This does not include egregious formatting errors.)
  • Article changes by different editors are reverted by the same editor for an extended period of time to protect a certain version, stable or not. (This does not include removing vandalism.)
  • An editor comments on other editors' talk pages with the purpose of discouraging them from making additional contributions. The discussion can take many forms; it may be purely negative, consisting of threats and insults, often avoiding the topic of the revert altogether. At the other extreme, the owner may patronize other editors, claiming that their ideas are interesting while also claiming that they lack the deep understanding of the article necessary to edit it.

Please give me an example where I have done a single one of these things. The VAST majority of the edits made to that article are undisputed by me. Please review the history of the article as proof of this. Long strings of edits made by other editors are undisputed by me. Only a small fraction of the edits made are disputed in which case I generally revet to the older version, make a change that I think might solve the problem, and then wait to see if it's changed again. If it is then I bring it to the talk page for discussion. I don't engage in edit wars. Any comments I make on talk pages of other users are not made to discourage them from editing. I simply make comments (like the one made here) to try to help solve a dispute. Never have I attempted in any way to discourage any editor from editing the article. WP:OWN gives further examples of comments usually made by editors exhibiting ownership of articles:

  • "Are you qualified to edit this article?"
  • "Revert. You're editing too much. Can you slow down?"
  • "You obviously have no hands-on experience with widgets."
  • "Do not make such changes or comments until you have significantly edited or written work of this quality."
  • "I/he/we/ created this article"

Please give me one example of where I have made comments such as this or even similar to this concerning the Homeopathy article. The fact is, I do not exhibit ownership of the article. I follow policy to the tee when editing the article and I am simply proactive. If I dispute an edit made by an editor I will quickly try to resolve the matter following WP:CCC. As explained above, If an editor makes an edit that I disagree with, I generally revert to the previous version, make changes that I think might solve the problem, and then wait to see if another edit is made by the same editor of the same kind. If it is then I will bring the discussion to the talk page so that we can determine what the problem is and solve it. This is how Misplaced Pages works, This is not ownership in any sense of the word. Wikidudeman 16:21, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

P.S., I expect those accusing me of exhibiting ownership of this article to respond to all of my points and explain in detail how I am exhibiting ownership. Wikidudeman 16:22, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

Best way to do this is an RfC. I will be asking that you be removed from editing this article. Expect it in the next couple of days. OrangeMarlin 17:47, 30 September 2007 (UTC)
Dude, you "expect"? An excellent way of making sure that I do not respond to the points. You "expect"? ROFL. Hell, dude, I expect you to comprehend that Morrell is significantly biased toward homeopathy, and that ProfG has no clue what he's babbling about, but you don't. So much for expectations. Hell, Dickens wrote a book all about Great Expectations. &#0149;Jim62sch&#0149; 18:15, 30 September 2007 (UTC)
Man, I thought you were responding to my "expect." I was going to file an AN/I, RfC and whatever else the POV-warriors use :) Maybe I'll just let WDM prove his case in the discussion section of the article instead. He's done a poor job. I can't wait until he tries again at admin status.  :) OrangeMarlin 18:22, 30 September 2007 (UTC)
An RFC isn't necessary. I've asked you to detail how I am exhibiting ownership of the article and you have not done so. You can't just force a user to stop editing an article when he has done nothing wrong and you can't give a single example of him doing something wrong. The article is GA status. That's the first time it's ever been at GA status. Wikidudeman 19:13, 30 September 2007 (UTC)
Barely GA status -- I've seen the comments, consider GA an act of kindness. Want to try for FA right this minute? &#0149;Jim62sch&#0149; 19:16, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

No, I'm done commenting here. I've tried to get you and OrangeMarlin to help improve the article when It was being rewritten, I've tried to get you and OrangeMarlin to help with the article after it was rewritten, and now I try to have a rational discussion with the two of you but all I get in return are insults and accusations. Wikidudeman 19:35, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

No, you really just scoffed at the input. Look, you believe as you wish, I don't really care, but in pushing a paper by an astronomer, two veterinarians and a bloody PhD, your credibility is shot. &#0149;Jim62sch&#0149; 19:56, 30 September 2007 (UTC)
WDM, don't comment here if it annoys you--I am not stopping you, which is my right. I'm pretty certain I'll still sleep tonight whether you do or not. However, I have responded to your comments, and I have not insulted you even slightly. Have I accused you of ownership? Damn straight I have, because you act in that manner. Remember, I only have to assume good faith as far as it is observed that you deserve it. It is obvious that you have joined sides with notorious POV-warriors because you are trying to get GA and FA's. You're going to have major pushback. You belittle my and Jim's efforts--unfortunately for you, that isn't the best tactic.OrangeMarlin 22:01, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

Plant and animal names

Have a look at http://en.wikipedia.org/WP:MOS#Animals.2C_plants.2C_and_other_organisms The genus and species name should be initialized. Taxa above genus are not. Hardyplants 05:29, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

Right. I assumed anything we would write about would be at the family level or above. I don't think genera-level extinctions are very useful to the article. But you are correct. OrangeMarlin 07:21, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

Saving space?

Hey Orangemarlin,

Why are we saving space? I think we have normally included as much information as possible in the references in case people wanted to look up the references themselves. A Digital Object Identifier is obviously superior to a normal web-link (because it's permanent), but not everyone will know what a DOI is. I've only been leaving a field blank if there's just no information for that field. Do you think I should switch to the "minimal information is better" style? Suggestions welcome, as always. Firsfron of Ronchester 14:52, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

Edit summaries don't give me much space to comment. DOI's are almost always accurate, meaning they rare go dead. URL's can change. Also, the size of the article can get big with excess information. I think we should strive to be as efficient as possible. But also, I'm just cranky editing in WP:CITET for the citations when this new editor comes in with the ancient way of doing references. OrangeMarlin 15:01, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
Nothing wrong with efficiency! OK, I'll try to watch out for DOI/URL duplication. As far as CITET goes, "The use of Citation templates is not required by WP:CITE and is neither encouraged nor discouraged by any other Misplaced Pages citation guidelines." I actually prefer CITET, because it automagically fixes my fuck-ups (puts everything in the right order), but the templates are sometimes a pain... Not to mention, they don't go red and flash ALERT! ALERT! when someone changes the content of the cited sentence without modifying the citation. Now that would be awesome! :) Firsfron of Ronchester 16:37, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
If only it did that. I'm in favor of CITET because it makes all references nice and neat. And frankly, it forces weak editors to start reading the references and using them properly. I hate seeing Geology 1996, some page, don't know the title, and the author was somebody. Yes, it's never that bad, but..... AS for the citation templates, you're right. Except FA articles are almost always consistently and perfectly cited. Forcing consistency and high-quality is critical for this project. OrangeMarlin 16:41, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Good article reassessment#Homeopathy

This is a note to inform you that the article on Homeopathy has been listed at Misplaced Pages:Good article reassessment for review to see if it still meets the Good Article Criteria. Editors are encouraged to comment on this nomination and reach consensus on the specific concerns raised by reviewers. Tim Vickers 22:18, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

Err, about your vote on the GA/R, normally when people give an assessment, they actually are at least a little specific about their concerns :/. Nothing like a speech or anything like that, but it won't help people who want to examine the situation and give an opinion if they can't see how your views are defended. Perhaps there's a section on the Homeopathy talk page that demonstrates your concerns more explicitly already that you could just link to? I bring this all up because there's been a bit of discussion lately for GA/R archivists to not count votes that don't really demonstrate why an article doesn't meet the GA criteria, sort of like AfD, though not nearly as judgemental about the reasoning. Surely you've got to admit that someone (like me) who knows very little about this article's conflict history won't learn much from "It violates so and so policies, so there"? Homestarmy 18:39, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

Thanks! :D

Thanks Orangemarlin
I would like to thank you for your participation in my successful RfA, which passed with a tally of (44/10/5). Whether you supported, opposed or were neutral in my RfA, I appreciate your participation and I hope that we can continue to work together to build a stronger and better Misplaced Pages.

Regards, nat 04:43, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

Homeopathy

Hi there. I have to warn you OM that if you continue to push for a highly critical approach, rather than a neutral assessment of homeopathy in this article you may find your arguments dismissed as coming from a POV-warrior. I know you have very strong feeling on this, but we can't take this stance throughout the entire article. This is entirely legitimate in the section on scientific assessment, but this article also needs to give a neutral and accurate account of the history and methods of this pseudoscience. Indeed, condemning the practice with its own words is a very effective approach! All the best Tim Vickers 17:28, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

Walking the fence as usual diff. Trying to be fair to everybody. Tim Vickers 20:19, 3 October 2007 (UTC)
You're fair, I know that. I just get concerned that a notorious and oft-blocked creationist POV-warrior like User:profg thinks that I've been slapped silly by you or anybody, and I get nice. I typed out the comments to WDM before I even read your comments above. Oh well. Thanks for being fair! I've taken the contentious side, because I get tired of someone saying, over and over again, "There are nucular (sic) weapons in Iraq, so let's invade." Then we find out it's a lie, but it's too late. The right-wing in the US (I believe you're from the other side of the Atlantic, but I'm not sure) have a habit of repeating lies over and over again, abusing Misplaced Pages to set their agenda, and get crappy articles (see any number of articles). The left-wing has tended be passive. I figure my jumping up and down balances out their jumping up and down, and editors like you can get the good stuff done. It's working :) I sacrifice myself for the cause. OrangeMarlin 20:32, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

Creation Museum

Please take a look at Talk:Creation Museum#Recent reversions -- I think some of the recent reversions have been performed under misapprehension (caused in part by misleading difs). HrafnStalk 17:31, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

User:Adolf23653

Hi OM. I share your concern about the username to a certain degree. I don't know if you decoded the number - it spells Adolf again on a standard phone keyboard (I didn't get it at first as we never used the number/letter duality in Germany until the advent of the cell phone and text messages). --Stephan Schulz 20:46, 3 October 2007 (UTC)