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Good work

Good work on Lake Ceauru. A fine job in one huge edit! This, that and the other 08:05, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

LOL

The story's getting a little twisted! I can't believe you turned us into island cannibals...ugh. While you're off retaking Constantinople, Dahn and I will figure out a way of getting off the island, and I suppose I'll have to bring KIDB and Panonian into the story pretty soon as well (look at the edit history on Greater Hungary.) Yes, some pictures of New York may indeed be forthcoming next week. More later...K. Lásztocska 17:18, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

OK, here's a bit more:

"Though Lastochka would never admit it, she had been terribly shaken by what she witnessed that night on the island when Biruitorul slew Anonimu. She thought she had seen combat, at the Battle of Fantana Alba and the War of Liszt's Nationality, but none of that wild but precise sniper fire had prepared her for the sight of her old friend driving a sword with his bare hands deep into the bosom of their fierce enemy, the horribly contorted grimace on Anonimu's face as he drew his dying breath, the blood pouring everywhere, and worst of all, the cruel, twisted fire in Biruitorul's eyes, the maniacal laughter, the sudden bloodlust and ferocity that she had not known was possible in her slightly insane but essentially merciful and gentle-hearted comrade. This was not the way of the peaceful and merciful Christ whom Biruitorul had worshipped so devoutly, but an Old-Testament vengeful wrath, a Scourge of God, with all the cruelty of Genghis and Tamerlane....there was only one explanation for this terrible turn of events: Biruitorul had gone mad.

Lastochka awoke from her nightmares with a terrified scream. Through her uncontrollable shivers and tears, she noticed with horror that only one Romanian remained on the beach. Biruitorul was gone, and Lastochka knew immediately where he was headed.

She frantically shook Dahn awake. "Commander! Dahn, wake up! Captain Biruitorul has escaped with the Poles, and I know exactly what he's trying to do!"

"Eh...what? Where is he?" said Dahn groggily.

"He's trying to retake Constantinople! You remember, that's where he was headed when you tranquilized him, and now that Poland is nuclear he's gone with them! If I may, sir, I believe he's trying no less than to drive the Turks from Byzantium and perhaps even hasten Armageddon!"

Dahn's eyes grew wide. "Good God. We've got to stop him! ...but how?" We don't even have a ship!"

Lastochka quickly surveyed the scene. "Wait, look! There is the wreckage of the Dacia, and there what's left of the Hungaria. Between the two of them, we can probably salvage enough good wood to build a new ship. It will be a small one, but a good one."

And so the two remaining heroes got to work building a new ship by the light of the moon. As dawn broke, the red and gold rays of the sun cast themselves benevolently on the finished vessel, a small ship, but a good one.

"We should call it the Transylvania, Lastochka said solemnly. "The crossroads of our two countries, the land where our bloods and our languages intertwine, the heartland of both our histories, the womb from which our sister countries sprang."

Dahn gave Lastochka an odd look, a bit mystified by her grasp of Romanian history, but had to agree that it was a good name. "Transylvania it is then."

The sun rode high in the sky as the good ship Transylvania set off from the bloodstained island and across the wine-dark sea towards Istanbul. But back on the island, something terrible had happened...

Dahn and Lastochka didn't know it, but during the night they had been building their ship, a dreadful spectacle had taken place in the woods.

The remains of Anonimu's bloodied corpse lay in a heap in a small clearing. At exactly midnight, the full moon directly overhead, an unearthly cold wind began to blow and the very air turned dank and rotten with the smell of the grave. It was a witches' sabbath, and demons and devils all cackled in evil glee as they danced around the woods. Stalin and Hitler, reconciled at last, joined in the festivities with relish. But then suddenly all fell silent and looked with an almost reverent hush into the darkest part of the woods.

Out strode a tall man in a long rich cloak, his face pale and severe with a long hooked nose and burning dark eyes. His hair fell in long black curls around his face, and his face would have been almost handsome if it had not worn such an expression of unadulterated cruelty and malice. His lips were unnaturally red for his chalk-white face, and his pointed side teeth were oddly prominent.

"Vlad Ţepeş!" whispered all the demons and devils. "Vlad Dracula! The Impaler!"

"Yes, it is I," said Dracula coldly. "Look what we have here, my friends: a new foot soldier ready for the taking! Arise, my servant! Arise, my new lackey and minion!"

With a terrible shuddering and a smell of death and damnation, Anonimu's corpse began to stir. The missing bones and limbs formed themselves again out of dust and cruelty, and as he arose again, his face was not his own, but distorted with the evil and malice of Vlad Tepes. This was no longer Anonimu, but a horrid undead facsimile. He smiled wickedly and bowed before the Impaler. "At your service, my liege...."

(I just had to bring Dracula into the mix. I've just finished an excellent novel called "The Historian', by Elizabeth Kostova, which I highly reccomend--but beware it can get pretty damn creepy at times. :-) ) K. Lásztocska 16:14, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

Omar Hayssam

Hi, Biruitorul. I will be adding the Arabic script shortly, but I am afraid I will not be able to scrutinize the matter. Sorry; it's a little late, I'm a little sleepy and don't feel up to it. I promise I will check it out tomorrow after work. In the meanwhile, you may consult with Fayssal; he may be of some help. Sorry again. Cheers, Anas 22:43, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

RFC on Petri Krohn

In response to calls to this effect on the talk page, I'm moving forward with the WP:RFC/U with only the last six weeks worth of edits fully classified. Please take a look at Misplaced Pages:Requests for comment/Petri Krohn, which, after minor editing and addition of the most recent 'interesting' diffs, is supposed to become the main RFC around 21:00 UTC tonight. If there are reasons barring you from endorsing the current summary, I would like to learn about them as soon as possible so the main summary can be endorsed by as wide a coalition as possible.

Thanks in advance. Digwuren 15:36, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

RfA

Hi,

A wee bit of advice for your upcoming RfA: they always ask "have you had any major conflicts with other editors?" Since the answer is a resounding yes, you will of course have to mention this ongoing Anonimu mess, but if I may advise a tactic to keep things from going downhill: do NOT mention his political leanings or the fact that he is an avowed Communist, no matter how repulsive and morally repugnant you find those views. It would weaken your case tremendously. (Do, however, mention his baseless attacks on you, like calling you a fascist and a holocaust denier.) I think we will need to keep politics as much out of this ongoing dispute as possible.... K. Lásztocska 18:11, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

As I think about it, I come to the conclusion that you probably won't need to wait as long as 6 months to try again--there's been significantly less fallout from our misadventure on the high seas than I originally feared: a tempest in a teapot for a day or two, and then everyone basically seemed to forget about it. I wouldn't advise running again until September 1 at the earliest, but I don't think it's turned out seriously enough that you would need to wait for January. Besides, we've learned our lesson, publicly apologized, and promised never to do it again...surely wiki-forgiveness is possible? K. Lásztocska 01:18, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

Not sure. I've not been feeling especially productive lately, maybe once I finally get Szigeti up to FA status and make some substantial improvements to other articles on my hit list...I try, I just keep getting distracted! (Usually by political wars or user conduct disputes...) Anyway, probably in a couple months, and probably after you. (I don't especially want us to be running at the same time, we'd really look like each others' groupies then.) ;-) K. Lásztocska 01:25, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

Re: Your story

Either way, I don't think its appropriate at all for Misplaced Pages. Fictional or not, you are to respect the other editors and not make up any stories of any sort pertaining to their bodily endangerment or death (this pretty much goes for society as well). However, I do believe you will do better next time and am more than willing to give you a warning. Please be civil. Both sides of this have done enough name-calling to warrant more than a few RFCs. Sasquatch t|c 22:38, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

...you know, I have to say, I didn't like your latest installment either, and I figured it would lead to this sort of trouble. I feel terrible that I was a part of this nonsensical escapade since I am 50% responsible for getting you in trouble and ruining your chances at adminship!! Things could not be more screwed up right now. How can we clean up this mess we've made?!?! I admit I was considering running for admin sometime soon as well (probably delusional, I know) and now my name's just as tarred as yours. Pardon my French, but when you take a step back and actually look at this nonsense we've been writing, it's pretty clear that we have fucked up, and not a little, a lot. What a terrible, depressing, humiliating and disgusting end to our stupid fun. It got out of hand, we were being 110% unprofessional, and we paid the price. Maybe we should both just disappear from the Wiki for a while. I suppose it could be said that as you were on your way to Constantinople, one of your nukes accidentally went off, and meanwhile the Transylvania sprung a leak and sank. We're all sunk. I don't see how we can even continue contributing to Misplaced Pages now. K. Lásztocska 04:04, 20 June 2007 (UTC) PS I'm sorry I wasn't able to get to the admin noticeboard in time to back you up with whatever support I could. K. Lásztocska 04:06, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

I like the Laurel-and-Hardy bathtub imagery. I would say let's get our mops, but...sigh. Incidentally, I came up with a real ending for the story last night: the Transylvania, intact and unsunk, catches up with you and Dahn and I persuade you to get your finger off the button. We enter Istanbul peacefully, where the most liberal elements of modern Turkish society allow us to hold an Orthodox service in Hagia Sophia, choirs and candles and the whole deal. The beauty and holiness of the whole spectacle moves you so deeply that you snap out of your violent madness and, weeping with overwhelming and conflicting emotions (wait, or is that me?), you turn back into the old Biruitorul we all knew and loved. A very happy reunion ensues. Meanwhile, whatever humanity is left in the Anonimu-vampire character rebels with elemental force against the wicked control of Vlad Tepes, and through what could only be a miracle, he turns back into a living human being. Though his political views don't change, he resolves to henceforth be a model of kindness and understanding. (please?) The Czechs finally come up for air (as it were), finish playing Ma Vlast, and mediate a peace treaty between all of us (including the Russians, who apparently were not killed in the conflagration of the Kornilov, but only lightly toasted.) The strains of Enescu's First Romanian Rhapsody, Chopin's Heroic Polonaise, Liszt's Hungarian Fantasia, Tchaikovsky's Fifth Symphony and a really cool Serbian folk band all mix and mingle in the air around the celebration of the peace accords, creating a wonderful exuberant cacophony as we all sail off into the sunset.

In any event, I still do apologize for whatever percentage of this screw-up was my fault--you aren't entirely to blame, I must shoulder at least a bit of the responsibility. However, now that it's morning here and I've gotten some much-needed sleep, I can safely say that I will not be retiring from Misplaced Pages any time soon. Maybe a few days off to let this thing blow over, but I'll be back for sure. K. Lásztocska 13:10, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

LOL--look at the admin noticeboard now. Somebody apparently misinterpreted one of István's comments and now it looks like we have a case of mistaken identity on our hands! K. Lásztocska 00:40, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, probably. No Shakespeare comedies for us to write today, I guess...*sigh*...K. Lásztocska 00:48, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

Hancock Manor

I don't have much information to add on Hancock Manor. It may have been intended for a governor's mansion as you said; the article mentions it was originally intended as the state house... It's a short article but it's not too bad - at least it has two sources! If I come across anything, I'll drop it in there. Sorry I can't be more helpful! --Midnightdreary 12:40, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

Speeking of which, well done,

On June 26, 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Hancock Manor, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Blnguyen (bananabucket) 03:40, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Hi, I think there was a small problem with your comment here: * is obviously a typo for #. I would have changed it myself, but... considering what the other side might have 'thought', I didn't. E.J. 06:45, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

DYK

		The Epic Barnstar
		Awarded to Biruitorul for excellent work in Eastern European history.Blnguyen (bananabucket) 04:41, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

On June 22, 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Lake Ceauru, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

On June 22, 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Morea expedition, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Thanks for all your hard work Biru, especially that one about Morea, 54k! Wow. Thanks for all your hard work in Eastern Europe. Blnguyen (bananabucket) 04:41, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

Tibby and stuff

Hi, and sorry for not replying sooner (I got caught up in this fascinating subject). Morea looks just beautiful (didn't really look into it, but I do believe will - I'm sure any edits I will make will be cosmetic and/or additions). I came across stuff on Tiburce when researching Horace - for one, the article when I found claimed that Horace defended Paris in 1848, which is what Tibby did. It seems that info on him is bound to be both complex and obscure, and I promised myself I would not look into these guys until I reluctantly redo the references for Horace (it seems that no one who objected bother to note that I would have to look into all the references a second time ijn order to accomplish that...).

I note there is a new Category:Eastern Orthodox monks out there, and it struck me that all high-ranking clergy categories would need to be included there as well. Did I get this right?

I'm genuinely sorry about your novel raising such controversy, and I sincerely hope that it did not ruin your would-be adminship (though I'm sure people who want to oppose it, like you know who, now have a weapon to use). You could have killed and eaten my character, I wouldn't have minded. But, let me stress this: you and the other Goncourt have exceptional writing skills. I was really enjoying the story, and I think you should preserve it somewhere as a whole.

I'm sorry for not picking up right away on the comments you left on Talk:Vasile Luca - though I think you're mistaken in assessing several things (for example, the Pale was actually English, not British; also, I was not implying that the Irish were not subjects of the Crown, just that linking to "Ireland" will and does do the trick for what was being discussed - as for Paisely and other such guys, the trick is usually accomplished by linking to, well, Northern Irish). However, I do accept that some points I made were sketchy and probably confusing.

Well, Kogălniceanu has seen the light of day - I'm pleased with it, and I can only hope it is to your liking as well. Dahn 23:10, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

Soviet occupation of Bessarabia and Northern Bukovina

If you have some time, please help preserve info in this article, and protect it from vandalism. :Dc76 17:59, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

Template:EstonianPMs

Could you provide a reference to the source you used in creating {{EstonianPMs}}. -- Petri Krohn 14:58, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

Monk

I liked the image, too, and I already fought against its replacement. I don't know where it was taken from, I can try to find out. Dpotop 18:17, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

Do you know how to obtain the history of a deleted file? I did find the broken link on ro.wiki, in "Biserica Ortodoxa Romana". Dpotop 18:31, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

Brown Cabinet Template

Just a quick message to say that I like the template for the Brown Cabinet.

Keep up the good work.

(Stephennarmstrong 22:10, 5 July 2007 (UTC))

Hiya-

In regards to your response about setting templates for previous administration, I think it would be best that it is just kept with the incumbent government as all other pages that feature Prime Ministers have a section about members of their government.

Stephennarmstrong 19:46, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

Excommunication

Can't you have a talk with the guy who rules the Ro Church and ask him to excommunicate Anonimu? Thanks. --Thus Spake Anittas 13:04, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

Thank you

		The Barnstar of Diligence
		Hi Biruitorul! I'd like to award you a Barnstar of Diligence for all the comprehensive work you've done proofreading and copyediting articles, particularly on such a varied range of topics. Ronline ✉ 15:30, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

Kismet!

As I'm writing this, Asachi leads the DYK bunch; in a couple of hours, Heliade will be the FA. Uncanny. Bewildering. Astonishing. These two guys will not be split up! Dahn 03:03, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

Question

Hi, I was wondering which will be the best name for the Romanian Air Force article - the exact translation would be "Romanian Air Forces" (from Forţele Aeriene Române). Now, should the article name remain like it is now ("Romanian Air Force", as almost all other air forces designations, at singular), or should be renamed as "Romanian Air Forces", the exact translation? I asked this because you are one of the best wiki Romanian editors, and I'd like to hear your opinion. Best, --Eurocopter tigre 18:29, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

Roşiori

The Prunaru Charge sounds great (but believe me, I never heard of it), and I will mention it soon in the Romanian Land Forces article. Regarding the Roşiori, I will be very happy to create this article or help with it, but unfortunately I don't have any sources, that could help us. Just give me a few days, so I can set up the bases, and try to find some sources. Best, --Eurocopter tigre 20:19, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

• so far I found this: - WWII Rosiori regiments and their role;

Proposal

Hi. How do you feel about this? Are you in for the ride? It promises to be fun. Dahn 22:20, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

On 9 July, 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article St. Stephen's Church, Boston, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--GeeJo ⁄_(c) • 22:23, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

History merger

Unfortunatly I don't know how to do it :( Try WP:AN, I am sure somebody will help.-- _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk}  09:46, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

Story

I felt it would stirr trouble, but nonetheless I applaud you for the attempt to turn our troubles into a joke - and if some cannot take it, it reflects bad only on them. Btw, I think you'll enjoy some statements found here :) -- _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk}  22:29, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

Politician navbars

Hi there. I see that you are currently busy with producing a lot of navbars for various European politicians and I would like to make a number of suggestions:

• If covering multiple periods (eg. {{SlovenePMs}}), you might like to use {{Navbox generic}} which makes it possible to create nice clear groups (eg. {{GermanChancellors}} uses this feature). Navbox generic also has the bonus of being collapsible.
• Instead of using " •" as a divider, the less-bold {{·}} is encouraged.
• By using {{nowrap}}, names are prevented from wrapping around line breaks.
• Instead of categorising the navbar itself under "xxxx politicians", most countries have their own category for navbars - see Category:Navigational templates by region. Then you can use includeonly tags to place only the articles that use the navbar in the category "xxxx politicians"

To demonstrate, I have modified your recently-created {{SaxonyPMs}} - I was going to start making these German templates soon, but you beat me to it. Cheers. - 52 Pickup 10:40, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

It is a shame that there are good and bad sides to both navbars and navboxes. I don't like the "v.d.e." thing present on navbars, but their autocollapsability is very handy when articles use a lot of these boxes. I'll take care of the remaining German ones if you like - I'm a bit busy at the moment, so it might take a while. - 52 Pickup 20:13, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

Julian calendar

Thanks. That's interesting--I have an aunt who is Russian Orthodox, so that's how I knew about the January 7 thing, but I didn't know that only certain branches of Orthodoxy still use the Julian calendar. Actually, on a related but slightly random topic, I can't remember why I was wondering about this the other day but you can probably tell me the answer: what are the differences among all those many different branches of Eastern Orthodoxy? I know there is Russian Orthodox, Greek, Romanian, Serbian, Armenian and a whole bunch of others--are there significant doctrinal differences, or is it just a matter of language? Now, don't go off on a big history/theology lecture, (though I'm sure it's tempting to expound ad infinitum on such topics), I'd just like a brief, in-a-nutshell answer. :-) Again, I can't remember for the life of me what brought that to mind, but it's one of those odd little questions that have a habit of sticking in my brain and not leaving me alone until I find the answer. (Another one like that is, how did "Serbo-Croatian" split into Serbian and Croatian? Were they really two languages but mutually intelligible so everyone pretended they were one language, or were they really more like two dialects of the same language which were then deliberately split!? Ugh, I think too much!!) Cheers, K. Lásztocska 23:46, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

Hi again. First of all, I LOVE the userbox you designed and have already added it to my page. It could probably use a little tweaking (as it stands, it takes up about twenty lines in an edit window--must be some way to condense that?!) but I think it's a terrific idea, and it looks damn spiffy as well. ;-) Thanks for the info on Orthodoxy and Balkan languages, it's really interesting stuff. I'm not especially religious myself (at least not at this point in my life) but I find religions of all sorts absolutely fascinating and I love learning about them. (I'm particularly fond of St. Elizabeth of Hungary and St. Francis of Assisi.) Best, K. Lásztocska 04:17, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

Eh, one more thing--I was looking through the Ceauşescu article earlier today and was slightly startled to see that picture of him lying dead in a ditch, eyes staring blankly and a pool of blood under his head. I commented on the talk page about it but I'm interested to hear your take on the issue. I'm not particularly worried about paying respect to him, it's not as if he deserved it....but then again, the other half of my brain replies, he was still a human being and all humans deserve at least a shred of respect, which probably includes not putting graphic pictures of their executed bodies all over the place. Also, I was pretty grossed out by it. I know it's iconic and historically very important, but perhaps a bit too R-rated for a public encyclopedia? K. Lásztocska 04:25, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

Cool. I almost swiped that Romanian one as is (figuring I'd either translate it later or just keep it in Romanian for the fun of it) but something in the HTML code or something didn't want to work on EnWiki. We might want to put whatever finishing touches might be necessary on the big blue peace box before putting it up on the noticeboards, and I'm pretty sure a few people will have nicked it off our userpages by morning anyway. ;-) Uh, and speaking of "by morning", I had better log off now. I can see that we've ended up online at the same time, and knowing our tendency to get into long aimless discussions....I've also spent way too much time on here today anyway for someone who's supposed to be on wikibreak. (Priorities, Lastochka, priorities!!) I should be back pretty soon--although as soon as the new Harry Potter book comes out I am going to have to force myself to stay off the internet at all costs lest I find out the ending before I've finished reading it!! I'm practically developing a full-fledged phobia about getting the ending of that spoiled...anyway, thanks for the big blue peace box, and I'll be back soon. Cheers, K. Lásztocska 04:46, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

I. C. Frimu and raise you...

Hi. I glanced at the Frimu article, and I have to say that sourcing it is bound to be problematic (since most modern sources tend to ignore him). But have you perchance looked through sources we already used (such as 110 ani de social democraţie and the PSD-Constantin Titel Petrescu essay)? Will get back to you on that. (I notice you may want to add him to the "Ro trade unionists" cat)

But no, sir, you shall not lay claim to the title of "king of broken promises". That title rightfully belongs to the House of Dahn! I'm looking forward to any edits or comments on the Caragiale project from your part, at any moment you may feel like making them. Btw: unfortunately, the caricatures I came upon in relation to him seem not to be PD by default (the two artists cited by name died between 1950 and 1960). Dahn 06:11, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

Death of Nicolae Ceauşescu

Please explain the falsity you refer to in . Digwuren 15:07, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

Never mind, I found your explanation in User talk:K. Lastochka#! already. I was not aware that such a 'partial calendar change' phenomenon had occurred among the Orthodox churches. Digwuren 15:19, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

Template:EstonianPMs

I don't see how I wrecked it, it is much smaller this way and if you would like to add distinctions like differing title, fine, but don't undo the edit because it looks so awful with that font and the size is erroneous. Therequiembellishere 06:00, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

Okay, and thank you, I was rather harsh on my own. Therequiembellishere 06:21, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

Roman/Moldovean/Basarabean

The problem of calling roman/moldovean/basarabean is never occuring in practice. It is only in the WP talk. If a person wants to call his/her ethnicity, s/he says "I am Roman". If s/he wants to say the geographical area, "I am Basarabean/Bucovinean". If s/he wants to say the connection with Moldavian statality (both middle age and/or modern), "I am Moldovean". People from Budjak and from the northern Hotin county think that the border in 2 August 1940 was drown incorrectly. Some of them would like some territorial sweep with Ukraine (they say for example, Ukraine can take some part of Transnistria). But all of them identify themselves with medieval and modern (1917-1918, and current) Moldavian statality, although if you ask them what do they mean by this identification, you get the answer that grings you back to the question :-) "I am moldovean". The following is highly hypotetical, but just to understand: if a change would be possible, they would like them to live in Moldova, not in Romania. The majority do also support union with Romania, but again, inside Moldova/Bessarabia, not directly inside Romania. Do you understand the logic? Again, I only made a highly hypotetical supposition for the sole reason to explain how people think.

The majority of Bessarabians come from the middle age class of razasi, free peasants, also called "Arcasii lui Stefan", and have continued calling themselves Moldavians thoughout 1812-1918 because Bessarabia was part of the Principality of Moldavia before 1812. They also called themselves Romanians, even before 1812. When using "Moldavian language" they refered to "the language of the Moldavian Principality", not some language different from Romanian. Often, before 1746, the word "ruman" ("u" instead of "a") was used to denote serfs, and to "esti ruman?" people would reply "I am razes" or (the boyars only) "I am moldovean" (meaning the boyar class of Moldavia). Mazils (noble razesi, i.e. razesi captains) would say "sunt razes mazilit". But they would call themselves roman (when asked "what language do you speak?" the'd say "sunt roman") See for example Nicolae Costin and Ion Neculce for the usage of the word ruman/roman in 17th and 1st half of 18th century.

Also inside Bessarabia there is talk like this: Indeed, we did want union with Romania in 1918, but we did not want to disband our regional parliament, we wanted to preserve autonomy and have a regional government. People who avoid calling themselves Moldovean on all occasions sometimes get questioned "do you want to be inside Romania wiht no autonomy?" and then "Ah, you meant romanian as ethnic group. sorry, misunderstood." The call for a regional government is even stronger in view of 28 June 1940, b/c people say now "If in 1940 we'd have autonomy, there'd be war, b/c our regional government could not evecuate, the only choice it would have had was to fight, even if Bucharest wanted to retreat. So, not having local government also helped the Soviets to take over." :Dc76\ 15:32, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

Frimu stuff

I looked upon Frimu again, and it seems to have some major problems. For one, all the lengths the original contributor has went to in order to explain the events through the way of Bolshevik influence are OR, clashing with what respectable sources say (as I cited them in Socialist Party of Romania), and are simply nonsensical at times. I find it very hard to believe that Rakovsky published anything in România Muncitoare, given that the magazine had not been printed since 1916, and that he had been imprisoned for opposing the war and was in Russia at the time (having already attempted to topple the Romanian government in late 1917).

Also, I would avoid using Lumea as a reference for anything. It is not a respected journal, not peer reviewed, and it makes the wildest claims on a regular basis. Those "facts" it cites need to be verified against a reliable source (my attempts to do so indicate that there is no such source).

My proposal is to remove the paragraphs in question and see what we can source from the rest. i found a Mag Ist from 1971 which, leaving aside the usual agitprop, is reliable because it is mostly a collection of sizable quotes from various people who knew Frimu. Using sources we already used should cover the rest. Dahn 12:55, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

Cool. I expanded it a bit, and reorganized some sections for flow. I also changed some names to a more common form. What do you think? Oh, btw, the two photos may or may not be technically PD (though I don't think anyone would actually care in other contexts); speaking of which: I have a much better photo of him scanned (well, at least one that is not bendy to one side...), but where to upload? Dahn 00:28, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

Well, I could upload the other as well, and let them coexist. The problem is that the template used is inaccurate, and this is likely to come up at some point. Oh: I was wandering around aimlessly and found this - I think you'll like it (even if it is rather schematic), and I think there's more where that came from. Dahn 02:36, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

Yes, that's a good idea. Since we're on the subject, I think this Épinal horror can make it into the future article on the labor movement. (After all, I promised you socialist kitsch) Dahn 03:03, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

Hm. I'm afraid I don't know what fair use rationale I can provide. We should really get a proper review of the copyright law in Ro, because I have a feeling that many of these docs are public domain by default. Dahn 03:35, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

Well, it's not PD unless the guy who made it also died at least 70 years ago (and, of course, we don't know who the hell he was). I was going to use the same one as for Cristescu (which in turn I based on Khoikhoi's for the Valter Roman photo), but I do not know if it is ultimately correct. if I got it right, the fair use policy wants historical photographs to be themselves the topic of discussion in the article they are linked to... On the other hand, if we get around to creating a PD in Romania template (if it should apply), we're home free; of course, that is provided the law does say something relevant (I've checked through it, and it is simply weird - for a law that is apparently this tight, it sure gets interpreted creatively all over the net, and I would hope that wikipedia may get to part the waters in this gray area). Dahn 03:51, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

Indeed, it is common sense that nobody'll sue, but is our assurance that it is common sense enough? For the fair use policy, there is section on historical photos here (it is the only detailing I could find). Dahn 04:19, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

Good thought. I'll ask tonight (I'm going to have to go soon; I'll probably log on rather soon, but it will not be from home). Dahn 04:32, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

Question. There is a template that says works published before January 1, 1923 are PD in the US. I have always thought that it applies to "works published in the US", but, hey, I saw it was used for works by Edvard Munch. This could be a path to pursue. Whaddya think? Dahn 15:42, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

An unrelated issue

Could I have please ask you to express an opinion on the recent developments at Romanian language (including the re-creation of the deleted Category:Romanian-speaking countries and territories and the new "animation"? As far as I can tell, they are both based on OR and POV-pushing. Dahn 10:40, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

Discussion about false map

If you want to see something interesting you must to look article Borders before and after Yugoslavia, PANONIAN map of Serbia in 1918 and our discussion about this map. Discussion is on discussion page of article for which I have given you link. In last week I am fighting with PANONIAN that this fantasy map in which even Pecs and Timisoara are Serbian territory be deleted on wiki. ---Rjecina 19:50, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

Our labors

Great stuff! Haven't really looked into it, but I will add it to my to do (as I'm pretty sure I can sprinkle it with info from other sources). And, yes, both ideas on the peasant resistance seem good (perhaps as an article linked and summarized from an article?); I have only briefly looked into the anti-pinko resistance article (for one, it is discouragingly uncopyedited, and just thinking about who originally contributed the article makes me cringe), but I think I will pay more attention in the future. Dahn 05:19, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

Oh, and: be back soon! In the meantime, I promise I'll ask about the Frimu picture. Dahn 05:24, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

Thanks and congratulations!

DYK contribution medal Obrigado, danke, and many other thanks for your hard work writing and submitting articles for the Did you know? section of the Main Page. While numbers don't mean much, 25 contributions to the feature definitely deserves recognition, so I'm more than happy to present you with this medal. Keep or discard it as you fancy, but I hope you enjoy it :) — GeeJo ⁄(c) • 13:31, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

Jiu Valley miners' strike of 1977

Hi, I've nominated an article you worked on, Jiu Valley miners' strike of 1977, for consideration to appear on the Main Page as part of Misplaced Pages:Did you know. You can see the hook for the article at Template talk:Did you know#Articles created on July 21 where you can improve it if you see fit. (I also added it to the list at Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Organized Labour/New Articles.) Cheers, --Bookandcoffee 20:49, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

DYK

On 25 July, 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Jiu Valley miners' strike of 1977, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--Yomangani 14:35, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

Welcome back!

Welcome back! This place was getting quite boring without you.

1. I agree about the nature of that info (the "likely true, just unsourced" part), and I'm sure we can eventually cover it as well. Upon further consideration, my own edits in that article have their share of problems (there is a rule I was not aware of then about not linking in titles). Oh, in case you want to revisit with a Sebastian, you could help with the old problem on Mircea Eliade (the one you raised in reference to the quote): in case it's the English edition, you could perhaps verify if the page by page citation is correct (I just assumed it was the edition used); in case it's the Romanian one, you could see exactly what words he argues Eliade used ("the j word"?). Of course, there's no rush.

2. Thank you. The Cathedral name is the result of an ad-hoc reasoning. I didn't feel like creating the template (I had little patience to search the whole recent "Cathedral Plaza" brouhaha, and then to try and google data about the cathedral that would not be related to the said brouhaha). Therefore, I though I'd link to the Romanian title, which is bound to be either a redirect or the title in case someone may wish to create the article in the meantime. Otherwise, I fully agree that it should be "Cathedral of Saint X, X city" (though I noticed we also have "St", and I believe we have "St." as well).

3. I like the template idea, but I would wait a bit to clarify some issues relating to structure. For example, aside from the recognized denominations, there are branches of them (should the doctrinal link between the two Lutheran Churches be highlighted? should the Armenian Vicariate be listed separately?), and I would not know where to place the new religious movements and articles such as the one on Hinduism. Precedents exist, but I would like us to have a full grasp of the issues involved before launching into it, and perhaps do something about the underdeveloped articles. As a side note, Religious education in Romania (which we could perhaps also link in the template) is quite shabby, woefully maladroit, and painfully Orthodox-centric.

4. Indeed. The only reason I did not nominate it myself was because I did not want to seem like I was "out to get it", and I also hoped it could catch people's attention. To "massive and unnecessary", I would add "repetitive" (it duplicates templates already there). I think it simply abuses the notion of a template. Speaking of abuses, check out the "infoboxes" here, here and especially here. I raised the issue, and both Anonimu and Turgidson agreed that the info belongs in the text (a first?); of course, two of my most avid readers thought they could go with an ad hoc version of WP:ILIKEIT (what else?), and that was the start of an entertaining discussion. This was quickly archived at Misplaced Pages talk:Romanian Wikipedians' notice board/Archive8#Infoboxes for rivers. Can you add your rationalist approach on this issue?

5. Hm. I honestly don't know: to me, such lists would be relevant, but I'm not sure to what degree they are relevant on enwiki (though the few precedents have survived). So, your call. Since we're on the subject: a revert war has taken place on Romanian language during the past days; I didn't really look into it, but it seems to have been over the weight of Slavic words (which, btw, I think should have been elaborated upon in Romanian lexis rather than there). This brings up an interesting issue: consensus regarding Slavic influences was never reached (aside from what Romanians tend to think). Introducing a section or even an article on what the controversies and experiments were/are would be both honest and interesting. While Romanian is indisputably Romance, mentioning, at the very least, the Cihac-Hasdeu controversy, the Heliade-Laurian tango, and the Junimea guidelines is, I do believe, imperative to any proper article on the subject. Something to consider.

I failed you on the Frimu issue: I kept thinking "I'll do it next", but I was disenchanted by the "can of worms" potential it had. On the other hand, I'm proud it caught the eye of the Organized Labor Project - it's a featured anniversary there. That is just lovely.

I had other stuff to run by you, but I cannot remember it just now. In any case, there's this (and my comments here). I am anxiously waiting for feedback there, since this is bound to be one of the most interesting projects ever (to give you a glimpse, I read in Cioculescu that, in many of his plays, Caragiale actually satirizes his own youthful liberalism - he is even quoted saying "I'm Rică Venturiano"). Dahn 09:45, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

If and when you have the time, could you look over Gândirea and its associated talk page? I need someone to double-check the English, and I would like to have a second opinion about the other issues involved (defining terms, listing people etc.). The article received some criticism, but it does not seem valid to me. Dahn 13:37, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

Heh, I didn't notice it was a gift to the world from one of our dearest friends - this should explain a lot about both the article and the troubled person who started it (I always suspected his claim to be a minority was a mere smoke screen, now I'm certain of it).

Some things are unclear to me, and you can perhaps help sort them out. One is: does the Romanian state recognize religions, or denominations, or both? By which I mean: should we perhaps go with "Eastern Orthodoxy: Romanian Orthodox Church...", "Lutheranism: Evangelical Church of Augustan Confession in Romania..." etc? In case it recognizes just (or mainly) denominations, we should perhaps list them with their full titles, instead of paraphrasing.

Also, I'm not sure if Protestant denominations are officially "ethnic something" - though we could go with colloquialism, we could also simply discuss this in the articles and use the full titles in the template. Do you happen to know what the usage is on the Armenian Catholics and their separate Vicariate? Are they only recognized through the Roman Catholic Church? And, if so, do you think they should go in the template? I guess I'm asking: do we take the liberty to add (in smaller print, perhaps) sections of various rites/languages/communions within each church, even if the state only recognizes them by proxy? In this case, are the Ukrainian Greek Catholics a section of the Romanian church, or are they not recognized at all?

You wrote: "About the newer religions like Mormonism or Hinduism: well, you're right that they exist in Romania, but where exactly does one stop?" Precisely my concern. On the other hand, the, so to say, rock bottom is already present through Hinduism in Romania (since I'm willing to bet that "Raelian Church in Romania" or "Ghost Dance in Romania", likely to contain the words "me and a friend of mine", will not survive for more than two hours after being created). So the question turns into one of inclusion in the enlarged template for articles on religious movements Hinduism and above. Though I can see this going either way, I do agree that "state recognition provides a useful, neutral benchmark". Ultimately, I will support any decision you make between the two. (And, if I haven't already, I must say I'm impressed by your template output!)

For the religious education article, you may find useful the details scattered around in Islam in Romania (upon consideration, I should have structured them into a separate section as well), and there's also the Protestant Theological Institute of Cluj (sourced from the official site - I didn't bother with citations). Of course, this is because I'm assuming that the article also covers the training of clergy and theologians. I admit I may be wrong.

No worries about the other issues. Whenever you have the time. Dahn 19:42, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

Ahoy matey! Indeed, welcome back, I hope your wikibreak was nice and refreshing--a good vacation really can do wonders for one's state of mind. Unlike Dahn I unfortunately have no grand projects on Romania or anything else to propose a collaboration on, just wanted to say hello. Also, I suppose I should warn you that Anonimu just came off a (controversial) week-long block and is probably in an even worse mood than usual--be sure to give him a wide berth, or we'll all be caught in a tempest again. (Wow, don't you love how I'm still thinking in nautical metaphors?!) In other news, I've decided not to run for admin this fall, but may give it a try sometime early next year. I liked the idea of it, but was beset by too many nagging inner voices of doubt--figured I'd best wait until I'm 100% sure. Are you still planning to run sometime soon?

Anyway, best wishes as usual. I'm off to clean out some more muck from my very own Augean Stables... (don't tell anyone I called it that...) K. Lásztocska 17:05, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

Point 1: Wow. All those Misplaced Pages-bashing pundits would do well to look at the wikis in other languages--from your examples and a few other I've seen elsewhere, enwiki appears to be among the worst-written and least serious of the bunch. How embarrassing--though I've always hated English, actually, I only bother to speak it because it happens to be my native language.

Point 2: Eh well, I guess that's why this place needs such brilliant writers as ourselves--not for nothing did Dahn refer to us as the Goncourts! ;-) (Should I have linked to fr.wiki instead?)

Point 3: Aaargh, I'm nostalgic for our adventures aboard the good ships Dacia and Hungaria. After l'affaire nuclear rowboats was dredged up again in one of the innumerable Anonimu disputes, I amused myself for a good fifteen minutes by re-reading our whole saga from start to ignominious finish, and I came to the conclusion that, as far as excruciatingly bad improvised purple-prose potboilers go, we wrote a pretty damn good one. ;-) And we should have no fear of the "threat" being brought up again--anyone who cares to read the whole story will see quite clearly that your character had totally snapped as a result of his torture at the hands of the island savages. You have a clear insanity defense! ;-)

Point 4: it was fun, but let's not try it again.

Point 5: as for Thalberg, the main problem is, shall we say, a personality conflict between yours truly and the author of that very long article: he's made quite sure everyone knows he has a PhD, for starters, which would be irritating even by itself, but add to that a certain pomposity, a very strong dislike of yours truly, a very strong dislike of Franz Liszt, a tendency towards praising Thalberg by tearing down Liszt, and most importantly, a lack of understanding of NPOV encyclopedic writing and general article conventions. And bad grammar. He's probably reading this right now, incidentally, as he has a disconcerting tendency toward following me around looking for evidence of my trollishness and immaturity--well, scholar, I hope I have not disappointed!

Point 6: I heard that Patriarch Teoctist died a few days ago--my condolences. All my Polish friends (as well as my large number of Catholic relatives!) were pretty depressed when John Paul II died, so I know at least second-hand what it's like to lose a spiritual leader.

Point 7: If you ever want to try translating some of those nice, thorough, detailed articles from fr.wiki or elsewhere I'd be happy to help--I'm enough of a linguist that I can more or less puzzle out French, Italian, Spanish and sometimes even Romanian (!), even if I can't actually speak the languages. Might be worth a shot sometime--although I really have to finish Szigeti first. I've really been honing my already world-class procrastination skills on that one...

Point 8: sorry for the loooong, rambling message, but I'm terribly afflicted lately with a serious case of summer boredom. I either have nothing better to do or, more likely, no initiative or motivation to do much of anything once hot, dreary August rolls around. Ah well, it's cucumber season, what can you do? K. Lásztocska 19:56, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

it seems i used your username when refering to a sock of the well known vandal bonaparte. the initial b and the boasting intention of both usernames, coupled with stress provoked by bonny brought this unexpected result. oricum stiu ca nu te'ai suparatAnonimu 19:53, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

oh anonimu, that was so dumb of you, more stress you'll have when you'll see the WP:RCU results ;) very dumb, very.Brickoceanmonth 20:20, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

Hancock House

I see you're turned the page into a Disambig with two redlinks. Are you working on the articles for those two Hancock Houses? ThuranX 15:23, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

Because disambigs to redlinks are bad; because it's the only one with an article, and because an 'if you're looking for' can go at the top to Hancock Manor. If someone writes the other articles, then make a disambig. ThuranX 04:33, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

Not really, I'd rather see it restored, since you're not going to do the work, and since you're clearly mostly upset that it no longer redirects to your Hancock Manor article. I'm not going to bother discussing it any more, though. I'll just keep improving the article. ThuranX 21:41, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

In times of need

No need to apologize — I did flood your page recently. Looking over my last message, I guess the questions must have seen overwhelming - they are not an interrogation as much as things to look into (for us both).

Thank you for pruning Caragiale. When I'm done with using the bulk of the sources, I'll need your input on the non-biographical sections: I structured them into what seemed the least redundant and coherent way, but these are relative notions, and your critical eye may prove imperative. I hope Andrei and Turgidson (where is he?) also weigh in, and you are all encouraged to do much more than weighing in.

I've raised my walls up higher, and this probably had some ugly consequences for you and Anonimu: the malicious forces have to stand at the gate, so they seem to have flooded onto your pages instead. So, my sympathies to you both - I could not have foreseen this.

Thank you for the kind words, and I hope all is well. Dahn 23:10, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

Excellentamente. I got trapped again in the sandbox, and I'm again tardy. Btw, I hope the "really should" emphasis does not mean to say that it is crap :). I have one eye on the religion template, and will eventually help with it, but I fully agree with all your potential moves.

About the person to watch... I was only partly aware. It gets worse: there is another guy who treads around here adding all sorts of Dacodavian theories (the milder kind, though I think he had some contribs on rowiki's most shameful Nazified articles). His English is extremely poor (all in all, maybe that doesn't matter as much), and he has recently flooded Commons with spread-eagle pictorials of ridiculous taste and copyrighted provenance). Me and him had a disagreement once which also involved Bogdan, if you've been following that. You might know him, perchance (since there are people who seem to get their wikipedia entertainment from stalking me, I'll not say more).

On Catholicism: I think that is a good idea, and I think info could eventually go/stay in(to) both articles (as main/summary). And yes, I believe the article should say much, much more, including on anti-Catholicism. Aside from the topics you mention: I found no clear reference to Catholic emancipation in Romania (though an otherwise discreditable site I bumped into said that it happened in 1859, and that particular info is true from what I know). I have tried to look into info about the Catholics in the interwar, but my bibliography doesn't seem to add much - it may do so, but it could be that I haven't been able to find it or rekindle the memory of having found it. Minor point: the article does say something about Ceauşescu, though I fully agree more is needed. Dahn 01:10, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

Indeed. We are also going to need to fuse the two PNŢ articles in the future, because it is getting ridiculous. The amount of absurdities I've seen over the last days is sky-rocketing like in the good old days. If you plan to discuss that template, please link me.

A lot of those articles are oldish and most deal with the Communist period - they would do little to clarify the gaps you pointed out. But yes, they do provide some extra detail, so thank you. Dahn 08:55, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

What do you think of my new weirdoes series? After the likes of Alexandru Hrisoverghi and Alexandru Bogdan-Piteşti, I brought the world Fantazaki and Cilibi. Dahn 21:33, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

I actually did catch a bit of that. I do believe that "a rose by any other name" may work as an argument for that article, if need be, but the way in which Anonimu cited me is tendentious. One of the prerequisites of my "dissertation" was that there is at least another reputable source saying and explaining that it was not — while in the NC article one will easily find jurists arguing that the wasn't a legal mess (not very convincing, imho), I have yet to find one single material outside of the biased ones saying that the occupation was not an occupation (just ones not bothering to call it anything, for reasons that cannot be and should not be inferred).

Also, my main argument was about not using sources that say more to say less - I think that the best way, in any article, is to use sources that are available for thorough citation, not just for one-liners. In the NC case, a book that is largely about NC (and a very unflattering analysis it is), is only cited for what google has made available - better than to do this is not to use the source at all. But this is just me making an obscure point - it may or may not matter as an argument in either article (though I really wish it would matter in both). Dahn 22:39, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

Oh, btw: have you seen this gem? Dahn 10:44, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

Thanks! Yes, it's good stuff, only it belongs into a section I'm going to have to rethink (and keep postponing it). I'm teaching someone to fish right now and, man, is it growing absurd! Dahn 22:47, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

Navbox problem

Hey Biruitorul,

Could you check out User:CapitalR/Test3 to let me know if those templates appear correct to you. I made some modifications to the Navbox code and want to be sure it actually is fixing the right problem. In particular, let me know if the first one (the Presidents of the United States template) is working correctly, as that is most closely related to the ones you were having trouble with. Note that those templates are using a verison of Navbox in my sandbox, so other templates on real pages have not been modified yet. Thanks, --CapitalR 01:52, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

Sports in Saskatchewan

I have replied to your question here. Thank you for your comment. SriMesh | talk 02:17, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

Citing Misplaced Pages

I'm glad you asked, the prohibition against using Misplaced Pages articles as sources for other Misplaced Pages articles was in the guideline Misplaced Pages:Citing sources. It seems to have been removed. I don't see a consensus for the removal, it may have been moved...but I don't see it. I've asked for clarification on the citing sources talk page. If the page weren't protected, I'd add it back immmediately. It's a signifiant part of how Misplaced Pages works. Dreadstar † 18:09, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

DYK

On 14 August, 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Holy Cross Church, Boston, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--Carabinieri 20:07, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

reply to a reply

Ja, I tink dat ve have much to learn from der Germans. Unfortunately German is probably the weakest of those languages that I "know without really knowing"--Italian is probably tops, then a tie between French and Romanian. I'd be glad to take a few swings at learning more of it in my spare time though. I always love another language to babble along in. :)

Ahh, so that's what "rope-a-dope" means. (Not being much of a boxing fan, I'd never really known quite what was meant by that phrase every time I heard it.) On that general topic, do you really think this was simply a Freudian slip? I mean, not only do "Bonaparte" and "Biruitorul" not look or sound remotely like each other except for both starting with "B", why did (____) then bother posting you a message about the aforementioned slip, throwing in a little dig about the "boasting intention" of your username to boot? If I'd made such a slip I'd probably just ignore it and wait for it to go away--but really, it doesn't smell like an honest mistake, more like a deliberate provocation. Yes, "cockup before conspiracy" is a good rule of thumb, but I've learned to assume the worst in certain cases.

In general though, your rope-a-dope plan sounds like a good one. You saw what I did yesterday (bored and having nothing better to do at the time)? He proved my point brilliantly--I was a little miffed that he referred to me as "it", though.

Finally, I'd be happy to help out on various religion-related articles, except that I'm terribly ignorant of most of the finer points of every religion. No need to get into the philosophical details of my upbringing--let's just say that for me, religion is still something I'm learning about myself, not really ready to write about it for the purpose of informing other people. I can help with ordinary style/grammar/clarity stuff though, no problem.

Cheers, etc., K. Lásztocska 16:27, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

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Paniagueg 11:13, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

Good work

		The Original Barnstar
		Here's a barnstar for your excellent rewrite of John Singleton Copley, keep up the good work! -- Chris.B 18:08, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

I was working on it some time ago now, but they were only minor changes. You have obviously managed to find an excellent source though. Cheers, -- Chris.B 18:17, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

Longevity Myths

You stated that P.T. Barnum was 'not alive in the 1800's.' But he was born in 1810 and died in 1891.Ryoung122 10:16, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

Barnum Right. The 1800s lasted from 1800 to 1809, so being born in 1810, he wasn't alive in the 1800s. Of course I'm aware "1800s" is popularly used to mean "19th century", but here, we should use the latter in order to avoid ambiguity. Biruitorul 22:20, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

That's the most-ridiculous explanation I've heard. You can't delete a word when it is using its 'most popular definition' because it doesn't fit definition 2. Try again.Ryoung122 12:42, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

The Other Way Around

In regards to your below edit:

← Older edit Revision as of 01:50, 22 August 2007 (edit) (undo) Biruitorul (Talk | contribs) ("110 or more years ago" is a rather ephemeral phrase and becomes less accurate as time passes.)

Actually, it's the other way around. Suppose someone were born in 1907 and died in 2020. In 2020, '189O's' will be out of date, but that person would still have been born '110 or more years ago.' Think about it.Ryoung122 14:50, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

Hungarian Reformed Church

Why did you revert my comment? The main point is missing from the text that Reformation was successful because of teh political vacum. Rudolph had no control on the country, only nominally. The vilayets of Buda, Eger and Varad were in Turkish hands. --Vargatamas 23:10, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

Ben Bolt

I have nominated this article for deletion. I noticed you have edited the article before and would appreciate your thoughts on the article's deletion page. Scarian 20:06, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents Discussion

Hello Biruitorul. This message is being sent to inform you that there currently is a discussion at Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue that you may be involved with. You are free to comment at the discussion but please remember to keep your comments within the bounds of the civility and "no personal attack" policies. Thank you.

Anonimu 12:00, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

link - ---J.S (T/C/WRE) 13:12, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

...oh, not again...

I actually saw that earlier today, and only the fact that I had to dash off to a class prevented me from responding there on AN/I. Bit rich isn't it, him accusing you of politically-motivated slander? I seem to remember a lot of "discussion" centering on the words "fascist", "Iron Guard lover", and the infamous "holodeni", not to mention "groupie" which is of course another story. Incidentally, don't take this too hard, but I'm Dahn's groupie now. Apparently. (*bangs head repeatedly against wall.*) K. Lásztocska 23:08, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

No, you don't owe me anything--what are friends for if not to defend each other against false accusations of political extremism and fascist-motivated slander campaigns? ;-) I was more disturbed by that other thing he mentioned, but anyway. Yes, I do still consider "groupie" an insult, what with its vulgar sexual connotations and (by extension) somewhat misogynistic tone. I don't much care for "lackey" or "servant" either, but "groupie" particularly annoys me.

Also, did we really intend for the Dacia and Hungaria to be THIS unsinkable? I should have made that shipwreck a little more thorough. I just copy-pasted a previous explanation of our Dr.-Strangelove-meets-Horatio-Hornblower adventure (slightly tweaked for context) into the current trials and tribulations.

I must say I'm impressed with your resilience, btw. If I'd been the target of all this, I'd have run away from the Wiki sucking my thumb and crying like a baby long ago. K. Lásztocska 02:47, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

Awww, did you write that whole article just for me? ;-) My weak reply is Franz von Vecsey--I've been sick of seeing that red link every time I go read my Szigeti article to tell myself how horrible I am for not finishing it. (This weekend, mark my words, you WILL finally see me making progress on that front again.) Basically just wrote it off the top of my head with a little help from huwiki, I'll look for sources tomorrow. :) K. Lásztocska 04:38, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

Sheesh! And someday I'll write an article where you don't have to tie up all my sloppy loose ends for me! Thanks though, and sorry I missed the point on the Vincze reference... K. Lásztocska 04:48, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

Hmm, the name has actually always been a point of confusion for me--I've heard him called Franz von Vecsey, Ferenc von Vecsey, and just Ferenc Vecsey. I don't know which one he actually preferred, and I'm pretty sure he was from a noble family so he might have been born with the "von" (depends on how Austrianized they were.) I can try looking it up in the library this weekend if I need a break from Szigeti.

As for the picture, I just got it from huwiki...it's old enough that I don't think there will be much problem. K. Lásztocska 05:01, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

Me too--if it's in black and white (or better, sepia!) I just slap a PD-old tag on it and hope it sticks around for a while. :) Be Bold, they say...

I better log off, in my time zone it's so late it's early. Here's to surviving the storms at sea! :) K. Lásztocska 05:16, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

Is this ever going to end?? I just wanted to say that I'm sorry you have to go through all this crap, you don't deserve it. I only wish there was something I could do to bring peace. K. Lásztocska 05:53, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

Nice userbox. :) I nearly put it on my page right then and there, but it's probably not worth the trouble. I don't want to get a reputation as your sycophantic yes-woman or anything...oh wait, I already do have that reputation. Never mind. K. Lásztocska 17:41, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

If you'll pardon the expression--JESUS CHRIST. You'd think someone with that thin a skin would perhaps have the slightest bit of empathy for other people--I mean, if hearing someone call his preferred political system "deranged" offends him this much, you'd think he might catch on that calling people philofascists and lackeys doesn't exactly make them feel all warm and fuzzy either. I almost wonder if he ENJOYS this endless baiting and battling. K. Lásztocska 22:29, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

On a lighter note, I think you'll find this entertaining. :) K. Lásztocska 22:37, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

whoa! :) Not only is it now abundantly clear that you're totally stalking me :)--did you just write all that off the top of your head? How do you know more about a semi-obscure composer than I do? I thought I was the musician here... :P K. Lásztocska 04:09, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

Of course I stalk you, did you expect any less from your loyal groupie? I stalk pretty much everybody, but I figured it was just a weird obsession of mine (picture me up late at night clicking Istvan's contribs list five times in a row and yelling "why is he still not back yet?!" Hmm...wiki-angst.) We're all one big happy Hungo-Romanian family, I'm up too late and just typing whatever random crap comes into my head. I should probably either do something productive or log off....as for the British archives password, I'm impressed. I don't have any need for it now, but if I ever get involved in a project concerning famous Englishmen, I'll take you up on that offer. :) K. Lásztocska 04:25, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

Awright, my fellow co-conspirators: the first rule of this groupie club is that you do not talk about the groupie club :). Well, I have to catch up with you on some issues, but, for now, I may have a solution to several problems involving oldish images - I notice this is one of the topics above, and Biru and I also scratched our heads over this in the past. Have you seen this template? Bogdan told me it doesn't work on commons, and I don't know how reliable the legal rationale is, but it may prove helpful. Dahn 01:55, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

Yuck! I mean, yuck!!! Plus, why the hell did he create two articles on virtually the same topic?! (Don't tell me: it's because that's how they do it on rowiki...) And others wonder why I condescend when addressing some of my compatriots... Meanwhile, we still haven't figured out the "should we have articles on villages?" issue, nor the absurd infoboxes for rivers (which keep getting bigger and bigger and bigger and bigger and uselesser and uselesser). But, you see, whenever I propose a radical if coherent solution, it's one of the two: I get no feedback at all or I have to stand a certain user giving me his childish lecture on Împărat şi proletar. I was going to bring such issues up as a package deal on the notice board, since it is absurd that we continue pushing and pulling on this without any ruling on the essentials. Alas, there are just to many bells attached to my body for the ensuing discussion to be in any way rational.

The rowiki discussion is indeed telling - I enjoyed it. And there are so many interesting things to say about GC! Dahn 15:21, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

Article on Paul Bremer

Thank you! Thank you! Thank you! You're so right! There were no head(s) of state back then. I was caught up in the middle of this debate in 2004 when a Wikipedian tried to cat this fella under heads of state in the Science Po article. Alas! I can jump for glee from one cloud 9 to another! --Anonymous, August 31, 2007 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.188.22.40 (talk) 02:24, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

Diary of General Bandholtz

This is the link to the diary of the American General, in case you missed it in the project page on the Bloodthirsty Hungarians' article. DIARY Have fun! --KIDB 18:15, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

unrelated to the above

Does WP:STALK say something to you?Anonimu 12:33, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

Your disruptive intervention in my punctual question about policy that didn't even mention your name is just another agression against me, using the typical strategy of burrying my questions under tons of rubbish by you and your supporters. This is even more deranging that your personal attacks.Anonimu 17:54, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

Of course I asked him because he deleted the ANI. But as I said, you had no motivation to write there to reply to me (You could have gone there to ask something for yourslef, but what you did was just disruptive).Anonimu 20:25, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

I didn't ever mentioned your name, so your accusation are false and are a clear disruption. And anyway, you haven't been acquited, you just filled that thread with googolian messages to make sure no admin will ever read it. You were just gaming the system. And it's my right to inquire the dismissal of a relevant case based only on disruptive editing by you and your supporters.Anonimu 20:52, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

Hey man, don't be so paranoid. If it would have been about you, I would have made it clear (my moral code says not to use "****", "______"'s or "you know who"'s when refering to third persons). That was just a question about policy, to know how to act in future situations. You're acting like I was behind a big conspiracy against you. Get real. And you were gaming the system, otherwise you would have replied to accusations without going to that huge essay about what you believe to be communism. That was not required, and was even condemned by the unwritten rules of wikipedia (the recomandation is clear: "Please make your comments concise.") Thus you were just gaming the sytem, as you acknowledge in your message (" A man does what he has to do to win a case" says everything). No, you were not acquited, you forced the admins to lokk in the other way. When your "innocence" is not questioned, you're insistence is disrupting the project.Anonimu 22:00, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

You have to do something about that paranoia. Yep, so concise that you needed to attack people just because you had no real arguments. It was a clear organized strategy to game the system, organized by onwiki and maybe even offwiki messages. Nop, the "legal counsellors" advised a DR, and ultimately "the court" has dropped the case because you had transformed it in a political discussion. That's just a proof of bad faith from your part (not the first one). I have followed wiki guidelines to report extensive attacks to ANI, you were being disruptive by transforming a discussion about breaking the policies into a political battle, that had little connection with the case. And you continue to be disruptive by attacking and encouraging other's attacks against me.Anonimu 12:16, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

Since you obviously still won't allow messages on your own talk page, I will comment here: Anonimu, I apologize for my bluntness, but GET A GRIP. K. Lásztocska 12:29, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

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Lanny Davis Is Romanian?

This is the question that James Taranto asks in his OpinionJournal.com column from September 7, 2007, referring to this AfD debate. Well, what is the answer? Turgidson 11:01, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

THanks

For adding {{DEFAULTSORT}} to Charles-Eusèbe Dionne. I can't believe I forgot that! Circeus 18:50, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

Stuff

Didn't you also start one on the "Medical Service Heroes" (the one by the Military Academy)? I must apologize if I'm merely imagining this - my memory is pretty much swiss-cheesed.

Those links of yours are going to give me an ulcer one of these days... I wouldn't even know where to start - I mean, I still can't get myself to look into those Protochronist Easter eggs Greier has left for us all over this project. Dahn 19:32, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

Christ, we really need to come to an arrangement on that issue - it's getting ridiculous, and, as usual, there is nobody considering the practical implications. Will you propose a resolution on this on the notice board? You've seen what happens when I attach my name to initial proposals... (I spared myself the heart attack by not clicking the link, but I take your word for it.) Dahn 21:17, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

Sorry about the statue. Btw, do you think we should get an article going on that as well sometime in the future? Dahn 21:18, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

My goodness, you're a veritable poet. :-) K. Lásztocska 04:52, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

Union tuniso-libyenne

Dear Biruitorul,
Regarding the translation of this article in French, I just found that a short version already exists under the name of the country that should have been created : Arab Islamic Republic. Most of the elements of the French article come from this book that you can put in the bibliography : Tahar Belkhodja, Les trois décennies Bourguiba. Témoignage, éd. Publisud, Paris, 1998
Regards, Moumou82 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 153.108.64.1 (talk) 09:05, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

Nathaniel Ames

I saw this article, liked it and was going to refer it to DYK, Seeing above I see this is not am unknown process. OK? Victuallers 08:49, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

On September 13, 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Nathaniel Ames, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Blnguyen (bananabucket) 02:28, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

Romanian villages

I am upset about your statements about romanian villages. Maybe the existing articles do not - yet - have all the information. This may take time. But each village has its history and its importance. Look at the number of articles for villages in Germany, France etc. The number is quite significant. Therefore, your implication that villages in western countries deserve to have articles while there are only a few romanian ones which qualify is discrimatory. You are the last person I would have expected to come up with a theory against information regarding Romania. The issue is of developing the articles and of finding meaningful information. Not in presenting romanians as second class.

I have my disputes with the ro:wiki, but they have done a superb job in compiling the information. They need help to improve the articles. No reason to despise them.

Why on earth did you start the discussion? To have other wikipedians dig out dirt against the romanians? Afil 02:46, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

Heh, it seems I have corrupted you, Biru. While you're enjoying your new cosmopolitan self, I'll be busy digging up some more dirt on the Romanians. <secret handshake> Dahn 17:55, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

Balaton

...and whoa! You got blogged about! (I love how he described you as "a Romanian anglophile who eats bananas"...) István and I had a brief, similar moment of triumph late last winter when, upon wandering through the archives of my favorite Budapesti blog, I came across an entry headlined "Oh my God, they fixed it!" about our effort to fix the 56 article. We left some comments, and the next day we were saluted on the front page. Good times.

And speaking of good times...OH NO, you did NOT just come up with a tantalizing new story setting...oh my, images and witticisms and twists of fate are flashing before my eyes...this one can be an understated, Havelesque tragicomedy with satirical and absurdist overtones...all in a Chekhovian pastoral setting...NO!!! MUST RESIST!!! NO MORE STORIES!!! Never mind the rich cast of characters, we MUST honor our promise to lay down our pens and spin tales no more.

...OK, so we're all there for the last days of summer at Annie and Bertalan's vacation house...Anonimu's taking the waters to recover from his unfortunate stint as a vampire on the island...you and Dahn have forgiven each other the mutiny on the Dacia and are busy building a gigantic, gorgeous monument to Romanian literature...I sit by the window every night writing, by candlelight, to István, who had been found alive and well by some of those rogue Czech musicians but still couldn't make it to Balaton, and a nameless stranger is skulking around making everyone a little nervous... NO!! DISREGARD THAT!!! AAAAAAAAH!

Anyhow, I'll be more productive over the weekend. I finally got my hands on some copies of old NY Times reviews of Szigeti concerts, so slowly but surely, that project is ooching towards completion. K. Lásztocska 03:13, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

Hoo boy. :) OK, but we might still get in trouble...I'll try and write a non-offensive chapter two sometime later. I'm sure my antagonist "Heinrich" will follow me over there and use our harmless fun as another excuse to torment me and tell me again how everything going wrong on Misplaced Pages is my fault. He's reading this message right now, I can assure you.

Aww, and I know you're not a fascist! :) I'm not really a swooning damsel in distress like I was in our previous misadventure, again, all for the greater glory of literary foolishness. K. Lásztocska 13:10, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

Heh. Fear not, there shall be no libel and only minimal violence--I learned MY lesson out there on the high seas. :) No, this story will be concerned with our search for the Meaning of Life (in true Russian-literature style.) Our previous villain is out of the picture--as far as I'm concerned, he's in Moscow plotting with some fellow travelers and about to embark on a large proletariat-awakening tour of Central Asia.

Thanks for the suggestion about cleaning up trivia sections. I too am quite annoyed by such sections, and consider them one of the endemic problems of enwiki. I'll have some free time this weekend so I'll take a few whacks at some nonsensical paragraphs, and work on Szigeti. Soon perhaps my guilt at my recent uselessness here shall be alleviated? K. Lásztocska 22:40, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

Haha, oh my gosh, I can't believe we're doing this again...but this time at least we're not breaking any damn rules and we're not going to get ourselves in trouble. (I could tell your literary itch needed to be scratched when I read your picturesque description of the Romanian village on the noticeboard the other day!) Anyway, as I'm too tired/lazy tonight to do any real work here on wiki, chapter 2 is up. :) No real plot development, because I couldn't think of anything, just a few humorous vignettes, character sketches and a few flights of poetic fancy. You can take the storm in the last few sentences literally or metaphorically, whichever floats your, erm, boat. K. Lásztocska 05:17, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

Man, whacking trivia sections is fun! :) K. Lásztocska 00:59, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

Yes, now you see my secret ruthless side--to hell with trivia sections, exterminate them all! BWAHAHAhahahaha! Oh, and I saw that WW2-Estonia thing earlier today and ended up just shaking my head in disbelief. They're annoying enough in infoboxes, but in MAIN TEXT?! Good God, what is the Wiki coming to? K. Lásztocska 01:07, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

I don't see anything wrong with having articles on movies (even silly sci-fi ones, and I have to admit I did rather like GalaxyQuest) or even video game technologies--not being constrained by the limitations of paper and ink, we can write about many things that wouldn't pass muster for a paper encyclopedia. That, of course, is both a blessing and a curse. I too am irritated by the proliferation of articles detailing every single episode of every dumb TV show ever made, and it just makes us look like the whole encyclopedia is written by a bunch of geeky teenage boys with no lives. Argh.

Well, I only saw the Estonia thing because of your edit summary complaining about "pictograms" and I realized it had to have been part of the endless flag war. Jeez. K. Lásztocska 01:29, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

Killingworth

I was wondering why you deleted the entire Trivia section of the Killingworth article. It was (*is*) a work in progress, and was going to be integrated into the rest of the article sometime soon. I am curious, however; figured I'd ask before I restored it. --Curious brain 03:42, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

I wholeheartedly agree with your response. And I know the guidelines and what not, I had recently (well ... relatively, anyway :) overhauled the article and they were merely leftovers (although, I admit the street light thing was me). Regardless, I do (albeit, grudgingly) agree they did not advance any part of the article in any real sense. No harm done. Appreciate the response. --Curious brain 06:23, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

Edwin S. Porter

Good work expanding the Porter article! — Walloon 06:34, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

Featured article candidate

I've listed Parkman-Webster murder case - which you created - as a featured article candidate. It is a very good article. — Itai (talk) 14:44, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

oh my goodness.

For our ever-growing collection of "oh-my-God-what-is-this-nonsense-doing-on-Misplaced Pages" stuff: . ......*speechless and confused*.....K. Lásztocska 04:21, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

Arthur Koestler

Please stop removing stuff from the Arthur Koestler page, e.g. REFERENCES!!! --MacRusgail 11:08, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

Albanian PMs

Thank you very much for the template. It looks just fine and I will add/correct some minor things. I'll merge those two articles about the Communist Albania too.--Getoar 17:30, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

No, in fact Hoxha was head of a provisional government established in 1944. Later in 1946, he was "appointed" to head the Council of Ministers of the People's Republic.--Getoar 18:42, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

That means Hoxha was PM since '44.--Getoar 18:43, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

He wasn't really a prime minister; he just represented Albania in the International Control Commission in Albania. Fejzi Alizoti, on the other hand, headed the foreign-sponsored authority, and it is disputed if we should list him as PM. Thank you for the work! I was wondering, why would you be against Kosova's independence? You are Romanian, if I am not mistaken, and you are akin to the Albanians rather than Slavs.--Getoar 19:19, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

The case is like a home you may be looking at. From the outside, you see the garden, the façade, and perhaps the clean or dirty curtains on the windows. However, from the inside, you see the people and how they interact; they are, altogether with their affairs, different from what they may be perceived in the yard, on the streets or elsewhere. Thus, born and raised in Kosova, I had the opportunity to see things differently. I know that my parents, my grandparents, my great-grandparents and all ancestors I may reach in my pedigree lived in Kosova.

As you may agree, the Slavs came to the Balkans, while our ancestors had lived here before. We were here even before the Roman invasion, even during the unremembered times of the Trojan Wars. Christianity has not been exclusive to Serbians either. The Albanians were Christians almost a millennium before the Serbs, while in reality, our ancestors had been in Kosova before any of the monotheistic religions came from the east.

We often confuse ourselves when studying and dealing with history. We try to avoid myths, but in the case of Kosova we follow them. This is how the Serbian history is written and fostered for the Serbian and international consumption. We know that empires are not ethnically pure, and as such, the Serbian Empire of Dusan or any other preceding Serbian state may have controlled Kosova, though the population there was never of Slavic majority.

I believe that the Albanians would find it hard to gain foreign support for independence if Milosevic was the only Serbian dictator to have oppressed the Albanians. There is a line from the earliest Serbian government controlling Kosova to the present one. People who served Milosevic still serve Kostunica today. I know the suffering of my people during the war in 1999 and older generations know what they had to go through earlier. So this does not take you a whole day to read I will stop, leaving many things unsaid.

Kosova must and shall be independent!--Getoar 05:35, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

Diacritics

Hello. I see here that you have used a special kind of the romanian "ă", the one which unfortunately comes right after the correct "Ş ş" and "Ţ ţ" ("Ş ş Ţ ţ Đ đ Ů ů Ǎ ǎ Č č Ď ď") in the Insert box below (of course, there could be other reasons for those characters, but i guess you'd be much quicker than me at identifying the real reasons). I do believe the correct form to be the one a little further on, located at "ǖ ǘ ǚ ǜ Ă ă Ĕ ĕ Ğ ğ Ĭ ĭ Ŏ ŏ Ŭ ŭ". In case you haven't spotted (and solved) this issue already, i hope you will start using the better forms, at least from now on. Thank you. -- Jokes Free4Me 17:11, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

Great!

Improvements? No, it's perfect! Good job.

Sorry about the as-of-late delays and inconsistencies: I was out of town and rather busy these days (no, not flying over a village in Oltenia...), but I'm prepared for my comeback. Since we're on the topic of religion: I was wondering if the Hinduism in Romania article should perhaps include (as a subarticle?) more on the Transcendental Meditation affair of the 1980s, and I'm also wondering if Romanian Romania people have experienced, to a notable degree, the revival through Hinduism that has left some traces in other Eastern European Romani communities. I'm not turning this search into a priority yet, but such details may be more relevant then all that is presently outlined in the article. Thoughts?

I'm also a bit annoyed because I took another glance through Călinescu's full-sized History of Romanian Literature, and its sheer value as a source dwarfed my contributions to various articles - there is still so much more to be said about people like Heliade, Caragiale, and even Hrisoverghi... It's also itching that the book is filled with extremely valuable PD illustrations - from Topârceanu's self-portrait to pictures of Heliade in a toga to the facsimile of a 1700s Roman Catholic book which uses an early (the earliest?) Latin alphabet version of Romanian. Unfortunately, my access to it is bound to be limited, at least for now. Dahn 19:42, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

Oh, minor point: perhaps Convention of the Hungarian Baptist Churches of Romania should be a small print-in brackets note to the Baptist Union (like the Armenian Vicariate). Dahn 19:50, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

Btw: this should prolly make it into the "dire attention" list (note that at least one pic is a copyvio - one can plainly see the text on the other side of the page, and it's on commons!). And, jeez, i really wish someone would teach these guys how they're supposed to use the word "from"... Dahn 01:29, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

I fully agree on all counts. Cioroianu also has some detailed coverage of the TM affair, so the material should not be a problem. I'll wade through Caragiale some more, and we can start something in the Hinduism article.

On atheism. I wondered about the category myself, but the issue seemed a bit complicated. In my view, the cat should be restricted to people who have made a special and documented point about being atheists, communists or not. That said, it is safe to assume that most were, but, in order for the cat to stand for them, we would need to have something in the articles pointing that way. That is mainly because the PCR was indeed very slick when it came to setting itself a perspective on the matter - for example, in Roman Catholicism in Romania, there is the issue of priests of all faiths being welcomed into the party (though I'm pretty sure the offer was merely on the table, and that virtually all or even all priests said "no thanks"). It also seems to me that most communists, even in the 1950s, were rather discreet about this issue - Bodnăraş seems to have caused a stir when he asked for a religious burial, and people like Gaston Marin may have even been genuinely devout. Even though I'm tempted to include all communists as a sunset, I think we should go with clear cases, where references are available - this may prove the case for the Paukers, for most unfortunate Romanian PCR members who died in the Great Terror, and even for Gheorghiu-Dej (though, at this stage, I honestly don't know). Given the ambiguous policies of the party, the rest, including Nick Ceau, could actually be described as "agnostics" or "skeptics". However: technically, if we also start a parent cat on "Atheism in Romania", articles on both the party and the regime would belong there as related subjects.

On the non-communist atheists, I also agree that we should stick to cases were views are identified as "atheist" in primary or secondary literature. If I have to evaluate who it could apply to: we have Take Ionescu (as you may remember - and Lord, I still have to do something about some of the references there!), the Feuerbachian Maiorescu (he apparently deemed himself "an atheist", and conferenced on the matter - but this subject should become part of a stringent expansion), Vasile Conta, and the group of late 19th-early 20th century socialists (Gherea, probably Mille, probably Ibrăileanu, and - you'd be surprised - A. C. Cuza). There is also the possibility of a Urmuz (I'm not sure to what measure this was discussed, but it corresponds with his "profile").

What do you think? Dahn 14:15, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

(Funny stuff about rowiki: it seems that, in virtually all articles that start as translations of ones I contributed here, the original text is censored to remove all the more problematic issues... Dahn 14:20, 30 September 2007 (UTC))

constitution, etc.

Ohmygah...there's no way I can take on a project that big right now. All I can do is whack trivia sections, bicker with Anonimu, and inexorably ooch towards progress on Szigeti. (This weekend. I swear.) And maybe the occasional edit on annoying stuff like species counterpoint or History of Music (which is taking over my damn LIFE.) Oh, and maybe some first-hand knowledge on common cold. Or whatever I have. *sneeze*...

Ugh, sorry for the griping. It's been a long day. I must say, I agree nearly 100% with the article you linked to about the problems with Misplaced Pages. I'm usually pretty optimistic in spite of all the garbage that we have to wade through, but other times it looks like the damn Augean Stables and I want to just throw down my shovel, throw in the towel, and give the heck up. K. Lásztocska 04:54, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

Szigeti

Salut! Joseph Szigeti is finally reaching some semblance of the final stages of development! Would you mind taking a look at it and giving me some feedback before I humiliate myself by putting it up for peer review? Specifically, I'd like you to keep an eye out for peacock terms and unintentional editorializing--he's my favorite violinist by far, so sometimes I would end up writing some hagiographic garbage and then deleting it later in a fit of irritation at myself, but I half-suspect that a bit of breathless commentary may have found its way into the article anyway. The whole thing's just been percolating in my brain for so long that it's practically impossible for me to look objectively at it anymore, which is why I need a few fresh pairs of eyes! Thanks in advance, K. Lásztocska 02:01, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

Oh dear--once again, I upload all my exuberant yet sloppy work and you have to go fix my links and tie up my loose ends. :) Someday I'll learn how we do things around here, really, I will. :) I don't mean to distract you from serious matters, but your goulash is getting cold out at Balaton, and I could use a little silliness to relieve stress lately... On a more serious topic: once Szigeti finally gets his FA place in the sun, would you be interested in working on an article about either Ionesco or Havel? Dahn and I were chatting a bit about them, you probably saw it (and the misplaced pronoun that briefly brought Ionesco back to life.) Might be fun...I think I'll always get the urge to start assiduously working on a potential FA once September/October rolls around... K. Lásztocska 02:52, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

LOL! That was actually quite good--very atmospheric and melodramatic. But oh dear, you had to go and make yourself go crazy again? Just one rule for this particular novel--nobody dies except purely fictional characters (or fictionalized representations of dimwitted Hungarian politicians, haha).K. Lásztocska 12:01, 4 October 2007 (UTC) And having nothing better to do for the last twenty minutes or so, a brief chapter 3 is up already. :) I LOVE a good melodrama! I would have written further and taken the story out into the woods the next morning, but time ran out. cheers, K. Lásztocska 12:49, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

Seychellois templates

I see you've created both Template:SeychellesPresidents and Template:SeychellesPMs. I think these would be better off as one template, though. Could you please consider integrating them? Picaroon (t) 21:06, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

Sillon industriel

I believe the dechristianization in question is the dechristianization that took place in revolutionary France, as Belgium was a part of France at the time. -Oreo Priest 14:26, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

Huh?

I don't understand - is this account a joke? --PaxEquilibrium 23:34, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

Sorry, I really thought that after I saw your talk user page. Why do you keep it like that (controversially)? --PaxEquilibrium 11:21, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

Those several templates... --PaxEquilibrium 11:45, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

The long live Greater Serbia? --PaxEquilibrium 12:47, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

See this map of Croatia. That's crazy. --PaxEquilibrium 19:22, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

And this one's Bosnia-Herzegovina. --PaxEquilibrium 21:05, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

Well, that's quite POV. :) Bosniaks are not simply Islamised Serbs. Lepa Brena is also an example. It can't be the duty of anyone to alter his/her opinion - this is a democratic world.
Please define what's a "Serbian land".
The Catholic Serbs mostly lost identity in Croatia and assimilated into Croats - but that happened largely before the Communists seized power. Again, the descendants of those people are free to be whatever they want - no one should try to convince them otherwise.
Serbia has no great military - it's army is one of the poorest in the world, lacking everything from materials to expertise. Croatia is much more martially stronger. In Serbia even every year many recruits regularly get killed during training.
Not for bloodshed, but for violence - I do not understand. Also, are you aware what happened in the 1990s? --PaxEquilibrium 11:10, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

O rugaminte

La discutia pe pagina lui PaxEquilibrium, noi am purtat o discutie putin mai incinsa, dar totusi sanatoasa. Credeam ca este posibil sa port o discutie din asta cu un roman, chiar daca o fi el din Oltenia sau Muntenia, si chiar daca o fi avand el mentalitate de sarb-ortodox fanatic. Acuma vad insa ca ai dat cateaua pe mine si deja a inceput sa ma latre. Daca mai continue sa latre, cred ca o sa treazeasca tot satul. Poti tu sa fi dragut si sa o chemi inapoi? Iar chiar daca nu ai dato pe mine, incearca sa-i explici ca deoarece tu esti multumit de faptul ca ea este ingrijorata de tine, tu esti baiat mare si poti sa te descurci singur, fara ajutorul ei. Ca doar nu ma vezi pe mine sa te parasc la mamica mea sau la taticutul meu--care si este politist, nu? --Thus Spake Anittas 16:13, 7 October 2007 (UTC)