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It's not a way to censor people…it's an excuse to block them and mar their record! Otherwise the comments which are supposedly so horrible would be deleted. I do believe there needs to be a civility policy, but it should be framed in an entirely different manner, from the standpoint of a publisher, not a prosecutor of our own volunteer contributors. Any bad diff is Misplaced Pages's, and should be treated accordingly. The questions should be, "Could this needlessly harm someone's reputation?", "Does this bring disrepute upon the project?" etc. If your swear too much (or only when you're upset,) someone should refactor it, not treasure and hoard it for future use against you. That they opt for the latter suggests that these are seen not as genuine offenses, but as "slip-ups" in a game of WP:GOTCHA! The only reasons to block contributors in this context is 1) because they force others to clean up after them too often ] 2) because they're starting fights with other volunteer contributors ]. What strikes me as very dysfunctional is when one editor initiates a hostile conflict in coolly "civil" language, then uses the angry reaction against the victim: an easy system for dishonest and manipulative personalities to game.] 05:40, 18 October 2007 (UTC) It's not a way to censor people…it's an excuse to block them and mar their record! Otherwise the comments which are supposedly so horrible would be deleted. I do believe there needs to be a civility policy, but it should be framed in an entirely different manner, from the standpoint of a publisher, not a prosecutor of our own volunteer contributors. Any bad diff is Misplaced Pages's, and should be treated accordingly. The questions should be, "Could this needlessly harm someone's reputation?", "Does this bring disrepute upon the project?" etc. If your swear too much (or only when you're upset,) someone should refactor it, not treasure and hoard it for future use against you. That they opt for the latter suggests that these are seen not as genuine offenses, but as "slip-ups" in a game of WP:GOTCHA! The only reasons to block contributors in this context is 1) because they force others to clean up after them too often ] 2) because they're starting fights with other volunteer contributors ]. What strikes me as very dysfunctional is when one editor initiates a hostile conflict in coolly "civil" language, then uses the angry reaction against the victim: an easy system for dishonest and manipulative personalities to game.] 05:40, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
:I believe, from a psychiatric standpoint, that is called ] behavior, which is dysfunctional--which I guess why I ignore it quickly. I do appreciate your comments however. They're something to ponder about this project. It's sad that people like JzG quit--he should have built it much better. ] <small><sup>] ]</sup></small> 05:45, 18 October 2007 (UTC) :I believe, from a psychiatric standpoint, that is called ] behavior, which is dysfunctional--which I guess why I ignore it quickly. I do appreciate your comments however. They're something to ponder about this project. It's sad that people like JzG quit--he should have built it much better. ] <small><sup>] ]</sup></small> 05:45, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

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Wuzzat s'possed teh mean? Don' be pointin' fingers at guys widout knowin' du whole situation. Got it? <small>—Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 05:50, 18 October 2007 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

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Hi there! Sorry it took so long to get back to you, but I've been on a knitting bender, making socks for Christmas gifts, then the archiving bot took your post to my talk page archive before I saw it.

Anyway, if there's a program to help lose weight, I haven't found it, but I'm optimistic. When I had my first child, I lost 24 pounds in six days, so I've done it once and can do it again. That was expensive, though. And I had to take a baby boy home with me too. ;-) You could always turn to the myriad 'supplements,' like the ones that use chitin to bind cholesterol or some other such nonsense. (If that really worked, why not just eat lobster shells with a nice sauce and a lot of liquor and be done with it?)

Can't help you with the women, though. OTOH, it _is_ July, and you could always go over to a hospital near you and check out the brand new crop of wide-eyed interns. You know it's July when we have to dust off the "Ventilator Settings and IV Orders In The Real World" class and give it to them every damn morning until it sinks into their skulls. No software to teach them the difference between medical school and reality, and I'm _not_ optimistic about that. I guess I can't have everything.

Seriously, though, the apps/scripts I use most often, besides Butler, for Wiki-stuff (apologies if I've told you about these before):

  • My monobook.js file has Lupin's popups, Misza13's Status Switcher, and Twinkle.
  • TextExpander - a preference pane (accessed through System Preferences) allows me to type shortcuts - like "kk" for the four tildes, "citenews" to put in the {{cite news}} template, "oldafd" for {{Oldafdfull}}, and so on. It keeps track of how much time it saves you, and I'm at 2.86 hours of typing time saved. TextExpander was developed originally by the same guy who wrote Butler, Peter Maurer. He sold it to SmileOnMyMac last year sometime.
  • PTHPasteboard PRO - Butler allows custom pasteboards, which is good, but I've run into problems with instability if I ask it to save more than 50 pasteboards. PTHPasteboard is another preference pane that holds as many as I want and lets me do more things with them. I can name them, use hot keys for pasting each particular thing, and I can even publish and share pasteboards with other users (I haven't done that yet). There's a free version that I used for a long time, but I'm glad I paid the $20 for the pro version.
  • Sidenote - Sidenote is a tiny little memo app that hides on the side of your window and slides out when you need to jot something down. It's freeware, and you can create as many little notes as you like, format them with color, font, text size, and titles, name them, email them, export them, and more. It's very handy for numbers, phrases, instructions, quick reminders, grocery lists, and so on. For admin duties, I use it to hold blocks of text while editing, and for AFDs that I've relisted - each relisted AFD has to be manually removed from the old log and inserted into the new date, and I do that in batches of four or five, so I list their titles there so I can make sure I handle each one correctly.
  • browseback - another SmileOnMyMac app that runs in the background and saves my browser history. I used to use HistoryHound, but it didn't save the page as it's viewed, and browseback does. There have been some complaints about the app's CPU usage, but Camino uses more than browseback does, and I'm on a 15" PowerBook G4 with 1.5GB of RAM. If you use Application Enhancer, browseback has to be on its Master Exclude List because it crashes otherwise, but don't worry about it if you don't use anything that requires Application Enhancer to run.
  • Saft - I use Camino as my default browser, but when I do use Safari I use Saft. Saft is an input manager that lets me customize features of Safari. There's at least 50 different things it does, so go to VersionTracker if you want to check it out. The developer is a Chinese guy living in Sweden and his English isn't perfect, but he's really quick with support if you need it.

Okay, I'll shut up now. Email me if you have any questions, so I don't clutter up your talk page. It's time to eat some ice cream. See ya - KrakatoaKatie 22:52, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

You always catch me when I'm gone for a few days. Suspicious minds would wonder if I'm being watched... ;-)

I was coming to recommend Twinkle, but I see you've already got it. You can take a look at my monobook.js page if you want to see how it can be configured, 'cause I don't have the whole script imported like you do. AzaToth is pretty responsive to questions and bugs, and the Twinkle talk page is lively if help is needed.

I must go knit now. Christmas is coming... so much yarn to buy, so much to knit and so little time. I'll be in and out of here, mainly 'out' with brief bursts of 'in', until I'm sure everything will be completed. See ya – :-) KrakatoaKatie 15:30, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

I added the piece that gives non-admins the rollback buttons - twinklefluff.js. You can add other modules as noted on the Twinkle page. I try new or revised scripts from time to time to see if I like them, then I remove the ones that don't float my boat. I've decided to test twinkleprod.js, twinklediff.js, and twinklesalt.js for a few days. You might like twinklearv.js, but it's useless to me because I don't have to report vandals anymore.
As for the nice neat edit summaries... it depends on what you're doing at the time. For some functions, the edit summary is given automagically when you use the buttons, and you can have it say whatever you want. When you use the buttons, a dropdown box will appear so you can state your reason for restoration or rollback. You can add the suffix 'using Twinkle' or 'eating Oreos' or whatever by changing the text in the 'summaryAd' line of TwinkleConfig, and you can also customize it for tagging pages for deletion or protection. (I don't use Twinkle for deletion or protection, so 'deletionSummaryAd' and 'protectionSummaryAd' are blank in my config.) For other tasks, like reverting vandalism, the edit summary is in the JavaScript and can't be changed _unless_ you decide to import the script/code itself into one of your subpages, find the text line somewhere in there, change it to something else you like, then use that page as a substitute for AzaToth's page. In other words, it's not easily modified by folks who don't speak JavaScript.
As an example, I futzed a bit with my own user talk page. Take a look at the page history and note the edit summaries.
  • First, I reverted your messages to my talk page using the 'rollback AGF' button. The 'reverting good faith edits' is Twinkle automagic. The 'testing for Orangemarlin...' line is what I added in the dropdown box, which will appear when you make this kind of edit, and 'using Twinkle' is the text in 'summaryAd' in my config (and yours).
  • Next, I reverted back using the 'rollback vandal' button. The edit summary was provided automagically by Twinkle, and I didn't add anything to it.
Questions, grasshopper? I'll check back later tonight or tomorrow. Play with your own talk page the same way I did to get a feel for the buttons. It's all trial and error. – KrakatoaKatie 02:05, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
Questions--Yes, I'm about to jump off the roof! What buttons???????? Do you hear that scream of pain from California. That's me!!!!! ArrrrrrrrrrrrggggggggggggghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhOrangeMarlin 04:26, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
Don't give up. I saw Timotab's advice about Camino, which is what I use 'cause I had problems with popups in Safari last year when I first started using scripts. The beta version doesn't seem to help much.
If bookmark synching is the chief problem with switching or simply using Camino for Wiki-purposes, there are some options. First, you could try Bookdog, a nifty little app that does a bunch of stuff – for this particular purpose, Bookdog lets you sync any or all bookmark files from some or all of your browsers. You could sync the bookmarks, then sync that file to as many Macs as you like in your usual and customary manner, be it with .Mac or a simple copy-and-paste of the .plist file. You could also give Google Bookmarks a whirl. I haven't worked with Google Bookmarks, but I have used Bookdog because I have an enormous bookmark file and I like to have all my bookmarks available in each of the four browsers I use. The GUI is terrific and it's easy to use. Google Bookmarks may take too long to set up with all your bookmarks, but Bookdog loads them all in a jiffy.
Also, I took a screenshot a couple of days ago that shows Twinkle's rollback buttons and some of the tabs at the top. I'm thinking about writing a help-type page, which is why I took the shot, but since you're having trouble I uploaded it now.
I hate that my help doesn't seem to help very much, but I'm optimistic. We'll get there. :-) Download Bookdog and give it a whirl, 'cause I think it may be the way to go. Hang in there, and keep me posted – KrakatoaKatie 07:56, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

Civility

It's not a way to censor people…it's an excuse to block them and mar their record! Otherwise the comments which are supposedly so horrible would be deleted. I do believe there needs to be a civility policy, but it should be framed in an entirely different manner, from the standpoint of a publisher, not a prosecutor of our own volunteer contributors. Any bad diff is Misplaced Pages's, and should be treated accordingly. The questions should be, "Could this needlessly harm someone's reputation?", "Does this bring disrepute upon the project?" etc. If your swear too much (or only when you're upset,) someone should refactor it, not treasure and hoard it for future use against you. That they opt for the latter suggests that these are seen not as genuine offenses, but as "slip-ups" in a game of WP:GOTCHA! The only reasons to block contributors in this context is 1) because they force others to clean up after them too often WP:RESPONSIBLE 2) because they're starting fights with other volunteer contributors WP:AGGRESSOR. What strikes me as very dysfunctional is when one editor initiates a hostile conflict in coolly "civil" language, then uses the angry reaction against the victim: an easy system for dishonest and manipulative personalities to game.Proabivouac 05:40, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

I believe, from a psychiatric standpoint, that is called Passive aggressive behavior, which is dysfunctional--which I guess why I ignore it quickly. I do appreciate your comments however. They're something to ponder about this project. It's sad that people like JzG quit--he should have built it much better. OrangeMarlin 05:45, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

What?

Wuzzat s'possed teh mean? Don' be pointin' fingers at guys widout knowin' du whole situation. Got it? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Karnoff (talk • contribs) 05:50, 18 October 2007 (UTC)