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CSN discussion

I did reply to you on the CSN discussion thing but didn't receive a reply. Is that because you had nothing to say or because you missed my post? It doesn't really matter, quite honestly I've got my hands full with other Wikiproblems right now anyway and I don't think I'm up for a lengthy debate on policy, but just in case you missed my response I'm letting you know it's there. Regards, Gatoclass 14:46, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the heads up, yes my hands are pretty too also. I'll have a look at the thread and see if anything's still simmering. Cheers, Durova 02:07, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

I like ladies with pretty hands. (Sorry, I just couldn't resist!) Raymond Arritt 02:14, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

Doh! ...pretty full... ...pretty full of typos... ;) Durova 02:17, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

Re this, I agree that recusal ought to apply to content disputes rather than administrative action. The tactic some editors try to use is to spin any disagreement (the sysop blocked me and I don't think I should have been blocked!) into grounds for recusal. That tactic occurs from time to time no matter what guidelines and policies are in place. My point is that nobody gets away with that more than once or at most twice, and that seldom to never affects the balance of a consensus sanctions discussion. The attempt to shut the door on that particular exploitive attempt opened the door to a much more harmful one: partisan vote stacking at sanctions discussions. I can't emphasize enough that this is a guideline/policy issue that has nothing to do with the existence of the community sanctions noticeboard. Maybe now since AN and ANI are taking over its functions again, more of the community will see how pernicious this issue is. Durova 02:17, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

I didn't realize CSN was being merged back into AN. I can't keep up with the policy changes around this place :)

Anyhow, next time the issue is brought up for discussion, feel free to notify me as I will probably want to participate. Regards, Gatoclass 03:15, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

Thanks. Things do happen fast. Durova 03:21, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

RFA Thank You Note from Jehochman

		Ready to swab the deck!
		Another motley scallawag has joined the crew. Thanks for your comments at my RFA. Arrrgh! Thanks, Coach. - - Jehochman 23:30, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

Nashville School of Law (Update)

Hey--

Just to recap the last portion of our conversation, now archived on page 34:

I propose to watch and see what IP does once the freeze is lifted. I tend to think he'll simply revert again, as he did before. At that point, a possible strategy might be to reinsert edits piecemeal (with cites), rather than simply revert, and see just what he backs out. Would that be a reasonable approach? Thanks again, Witzlaw 15:10, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

Very reasonable. That approach makes the situation very clear to third parties and much easier to remedy. Don't be shy about reporting the deletion of referenced material as vandalism. Just remain polite and patient and keep making the page a better article. Best regards, DurovaCharge! 16:00, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

Just FYI: As predicted, IP reverted the last set of changes. But before I could do anything, another anonymous IP editor reverted also. Assuming there is another edit war (which, I emphasize, I am not presently involved in), it may become difficult even to perform piecemeal changes to the content. For now, I will hold off on further action, at least through the end of this week. Witzlaw 00:46, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

Actually the second anon just bolded the name of the school. You're welcome to add cited information as long as you don't engage in a direct edit war. I doubt the IP's edit summary was serious. What I do suggest you do is add references rather than delete existing ones, and open an article content request for comment if any problems continue. You may cite this conversation with me if anyone attempts to report you. I'll vouch that from the time I made contact with you until this post, you appear to be acting in good faith and seeking advice. That's as much as I can ask of any editor. Thanks for being patient. Durova 02:06, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

Thanks so much. (You're right, I misread the edit by the second anon.) I did do a partial restore of my prior edits, in which I corrected a dead URL link and restored a paragraph that I previously cited. I did not restore as yet the other deleted section (the one that I didn't write) because it didn't have cites as originally written and I've not had a chance to research that one. Perhaps I may take that up this weekend. All the best, Witzlaw 12:31, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

CSN

Replied HERE. Anchoress 03:31, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

Let's take to WP:AN? Durova 03:38, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

RfA thanks

		With thanks!
		Thanks for participating in my RfA, which closed successfuly. I leave you with a picture of the real Blood Red Sandman! Note his 'mop' is slightly deadlier than mine! - - Blood Red Sandman 18:33, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

New milsetone reached

Today is the one year aniversary of my time as a Wikipedian! Best, --Le Grand Roi des Citrouilles 04:18, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

I've left you something at your user talk page. :) Durova 14:21, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

Thanks! :) Sincerely, --Le Grand Roi des Citrouilles 15:32, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

heh heh

Look at this notice of DYK acceptance! http://en.wikipedia.org/User_talk:Chergles#Did_you_know Chergles 16:59, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

Congrats! Your barnstar is delivered. Durova 05:47, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

heh, heh again! Someone else's DYK was in grave danger because he/she did not cite the DYK hook. I fixed it and found the citation so it did get in DYK. I don't claim credit for the DYK. I was just helping out so someone's work would be recogniZed instead of rejected. Chergles 19:25, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

I'll let that qualify. Keep the barnstar, and I hope it's a positive inspiration. Durova 19:39, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

Request for CEM

I just left a request and now I'm not sure if I did it properly and what to do next.I'll post that I've done this on the talk page of the article in dispute and hope that the other editor agrees to participate. If there's more I need to do, would you let me know? Thanks. WaverlyR 13:19, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

Hi, I'm semi-offline this week. Have you contacted Navou? Durova 12:03, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

ban evading

Hi Durova, take a look at this diff an old friend dropped by--Cailil 00:05, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

thanks

Thank you for the star. As to the above note by Cailil, I denounce bringing up old wounds. Please don't punish me for that. Chergles 15:24, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

The admin tools are supposed to be preventative, not punitive. Of course I find it curious that you show a particular interest in that page. If you just keep writing new DYKs and let bygones be bygones then there won't be anything to worry about. Durova 12:06, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

Maybe it's paranoia, but I quiver with fear anytime someone signs his/her name "Anacapa". Therefore, I might as well stamp my feet, jump up and down, and yell "I AM Anacapa" because it's more likely to be believed then "I am not Anacapa". More likely, I'll try to say nothing at first and hide. Misplaced Pages can be a warm, cozy place but there are small parts of it that roast like hell. Chergles 18:56, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

Really, things should be fine as long as you keep making productive mainspace edits and avoid the old Anacapa stuff. That's all old history unless problems reemerge. Durova 20:37, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Alkivar

Hello,

An Arbitration case in which you commented has been opened: Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Alkivar. Please add any evidence you may wish the Arbitrators to consider to the evidence sub-page, Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Alkivar/Evidence. You may also contribute to the case on the workshop sub-page, Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Alkivar/Workshop.

On behalf of the Arbitration Committee, Picaroon (t) 21:24, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

Sorry again...

I'm sorry to have to come back here, but I just wanted to get your opinion on something. Would you consider this to be a personal attack? When I saw this on Talk:Michael Vick, I did take this as an attack. I'm not complaining about this or anything; I just want an opinion about this. To me, this seemed like Chris was calling me stupid for "not answering his questions." But that's just how I viewed his remark. Ksy92003(talk) 00:38, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

It's best to post that to a formal noticeboard instead of to my userpage. Or, if it's possible, let a little water roll off your back and take the matter to ordinary dispute resolution. Durova 02:37, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

That's what I was thinking (reporting it at Arbcom enforcement). But since it was just one little statement, and I wasn't sure if it'd be classified as a personal attack, I thought I should get an outside opinion before reporting it. Ksy92003(talk) 02:43, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

Or he could, I don't know... grow a pair and not be a baby.►Chris Nelson 02:49, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

Man, Ksy is really dying to find something incriminating against Chris. Pats1 /C 02:51, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

If that's bait, Chris took it. And I can't ignore it on my own user page. One week. Durova 02:53, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

But is what Chris said really a personal attack? Wait, I can guess the answer. Take it to ANI, right? Pats1 /C 02:56, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

The original one could be read as a normal expression of frustration, and dispute resolution would have been better than coming to me (or to ANI). No doubt about his post over here, though. Durova 14:33, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

So are you saying I should heed Ksy's advice and "shut my mouth?" Pats1 /C 18:22, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

You're taking my comment out of context, Pats1. That comment meant that if you jump into a conversation that doesn't involve you, which you shouldn't do anyway, don't jump in with comments such as "Man, Ksy is really dying to find something incriminating against Chris." It's those types of comments which provoke other users, and you shouldn't say things like that if you don't need to, which in this case, you didn't.

Additionally, I don't have any idea why you continue to remove your comment on your talk page. First of all, you made that comment on your talk page, and I moved it to your talk page to keep the discussion centralized. I made a comment which was in response to that. There is no reason why the comment should be removed, as my comment was in response to that, and its important to see what I responded to. Ksy92003(talk) 22:47, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

Guys, I'm concerned about the whole direction this is taking. Rather than let things get personal, it's usually a lot more successful to add references to the article or open a request for comment to bring in fresh perspectives. Durova 15:41, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

Admin coaching

You said, "Several of my coaching students recently got their mops so I've got a couple of open slots right now. Interested Wikipedians are welcome to drop me a line." so I'm posting to say "interested". Any help you can offer would be much appreciated. Sheffield Steel_stalk 19:46, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

Awesome. Do you have gmail chat? Durova 15:37, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

I don't even have gmail :-( Sheffield Steel_stalk 21:55, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

Eep. Ordinary e-mail is fine then, if you don't mind, or we could start here on this page. You know what kind of stuff I do, right? I'm not exactly the typical sysop in terms of how I spend my time (you won't find me on CSD but you will find me on COIN). Durova 22:01, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

Burntsauce

Your evidence against Burntsauce should probably be presented to the Arbcom (if you have not already done so privately), and maybe also send it to Alkivar if he hasn't seen it. —Random832 20:33, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

You're right; I've had minimal time online and am catching up today. Thanks. Durova 15:42, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

Request for CEM

I posted a request for CEM a few days ago and wonder what the usual wait time is for a response. I realize you're catching up. Thanks. WaverlyR 17:59, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

Done, and case opened. Durova 18:08, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

Not sure what is supposed to happen now. Should we each state our position on the open page? WaverlyR 22:19, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

That's a good idea. I suggest taking a "this is where I'm coming from and how this situation looks to me" approach rather than listing grievances. Durova 22:45, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

I don't know how I missed it. I'm sorry. Mercury 01:54, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

No worries. Just do your best and we'll take it from there. :) Durova 15:48, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

Sandwich

		The Sandwich of Exceptional Excellence
		I award you, Durova, this Roast Turkey Sandwich of Exceptional Excellence (Potato Salad of Congeniality cluster, 1st class) for your fine public relations work on behalf of Misplaced Pages. - Jehochman 16:34, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

Mmm, delicious! Thank you. Durova 19:37, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

Question...

DO you think I might be ready for a run at RfA? Jonathan letters to the editor—my work 19:09, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

Hm, so you're eleven? That would probably be a new record. The youngest sysop I know about is thirteen. Seriously though, I suppose your main interests would be in vandal-fighting and CSD. And there's no reason your age should be a barrier to either of those. Two things do concern me. One is a personal quirk: I'm no fan of admin channel IRC. Sometimes in real time people say things that aren't very nice - things they wouldn't post onsite if they had a moment to think about it - and the logs are leaky. So the whole thing doesn't look particularly good, especially since some of the people on that channel aren't even administrators. That doesn't necessarily stand in your way at RFA - it's just my take on that matter. A more substantial objection is that your mainspace contributions are on the light side. I prefer to see someone become a major contributor to at least one good article before getting the tools. Sometimes people who head over to Misplaced Pages namespace without enough field experience have some off-target ideas about how the site works. It really makes someone a better sysop to have spent some quality time at regular editing. Of course some adults aren't wordsmiths and it's particularly challenging to create a GA when you're very young. So sometimes as an alternative I've nominated good people for RFA on the basis of work that got into Template:Did you know. I've written some tips for that in my user space. There are probably some topics waiting to get created into articles out of local geography and history, and a few books from your community library that aren't widely available that you could use to source the new pages. Sounds good? Durova 19:31, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Giovanni33-John Smith's

The above-linked arbitration case has closed. Giovanni33 and John Smith's are subject to identical editing restrictions for one year. They are limited to one revert per page per week (excepting obvious vandalism), and are required to discuss any content reversions on the page's talk page. Should they exceed this limit or fail to discuss a content reversion, they may be blocked. For the Arbitration Committee, Picaroon (t) 20:11, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

Cla68's block

I'm sorry Durova but I don't understand it. How can asking a question be a violation of WP:POINT?--G-Dett 22:24, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

Jimbo couldn't have been clearer. And you are millimeters from a WP:POINT block yourself. Tread lightly. Durova 22:28, 20 October 2007 (UTC)