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Ukrainian Guards

Anyone know if Ukraine's military retained the Guards status from the Soviet Union? —Michael Z. 2007-08-27 18:40 Z

Yes. Check user:Ceriy's articles. Buckshot06 22:37, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

Renaming

Guards units in the USSR were not "Russian Guards". Should this article be renamed Guards unit or something? —Michael Z. 2007-08-27 18:48 Z

No, I think the article should be splited, by creating a new "Soviet Guards" page. --Eurocopter tigre 20:13, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

Shall I split the current article into Soviet Guards and List of Russian Guards units? —Michael Z. 2007-08-29 01:04 Z

I actually think Soviet Guards it's enough. --Eurocopter tigre 15:00, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

No, because the guards designation is used in the former Soviet Union, as well as Belarus, Russia, and Ukraine, and possibly other post-Soviet republics. The Soviet Union section here should be split off into a new article Guards unit. —Michael Z. 2007-10-23 21:32 Z

Guards unit can be confused with all kinds of things. I suggest something like 'Soviet and post-Soviet states military Guards designation'. Buckshot06 22:41, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

It doesn't seem to be a problem, since there was not a single link to Guards unit. There are various guards (n. pl.) or guard (s. adj.) units, but what else is referred to as a guards (pl. adj.) unit?

But do you prefer renaming or re-merging the article with this one? Can we remove the merge tag?

This article was a mess, with random information belonging to several other articles or on its own, and should probably now be turned into a disambiguation page, unless there is some more cogent thread to be drawn between the various kinds of things called "guards" in Russia. Should we also add the following?:

• Druzhina, the Knyaz's bodyguard
• Streltsy, referred to as "Russian guardsmen" —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mzajac (talk • contribs) 23:13, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
• Internal Troops ("Internal Guard")
• USSR Border Troops ("Border Guards")
• Ninth Chief Directorate of the USSR, responsible for bodyguarding, which later became the FPSR:
• Federal Protective Service of Russia responsible for bodyguarding, which includes
  • Border Guard Service of Russia
  • Kremlin Regiment (Presidential Guard)

 —Michael Z. 2007-10-23 23:00 Z

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