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Revision as of 08:10, 11 November 2007

I deleted the poison warning on the page about Aconite. I understand your good faith, but this is an encyclopaedia. Anyway, the fact that it's a poisonous plant is vastly treated in the article. Keep editing! Aelwyn 21:37, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

Hi Lost Girls Diary -- You recently re-edited the "Ginger Snaps" article to change "their only friends are each other" to "their only friends being each other", as "very minor grammar edit in line with the British/Canadian language usage."

Outsiders at school, their only friends being each other.

Umm -- two points. (1) As written, the sentence is a fragment, which I didn't think was correct in British/Canadian or any other English variant. So for instance if the sentence were rewritten "They are outsiders at school, their only friends being each other" then it would not be a fragment. Do I misunderstand something? (2) But in that example, and in the current version, "being each other" is passive. Passive construction is common in American speech as well, but frowned upon for formal writing. Are you saying that that is not the case for Brit/Canadian usage? -- Cheers, Laura Q (lquilter 20:18, 30 September 2007 (UTC))

As written the sentence says: "Outsiders at school, their only friends being each other"

Which you suggest is fragmented.

"They are outsiders at school, their only friends being each other"

Which you suggest is not fragmented.

The point is, we do not really need to say "They are", as, clearly, we are talking about the Fitzgerald sisters. If it were ambiguous, then it would be advisable to add "They are", but is otherwise superfluous.

American English is, I'm afraid far too wordy for its own good. For instance, it is not uncommon in general usage or even formal writing for an American to say/write: "I need you to know that . . ." Where British or Canadian writers would tend to use "You should know . . ." to the same ends.

My original variant of the sentence said: "They live a lonely existence; outsiders at school, their only friends are each other"

But, the fact is, that the new version had lost the end of the sentence somewhere along the line and IS indeed fragmented! It should read "Outsiders at school, their only friends being each other, they exist in a querulous world of their own." A further edit should have eliminated "They live a lonely existence", to make it more coherent overall. I think you will find the former now puts the word "being" into context?

Sincere thanks for pointing this out. It will be corrected pronto.

Lost Girls Diary Lost Girls Diary 19:30, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

yep. subject & verb, check. thanks & happy editing. --lquilter 20:12, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

No problem, Laura. I always like to please my readers.

If you spot anything else of mine where I've had brain fade, please let me know.

Kindest - Lost Girls Diary Lost Girls Diary 21:46, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

Screenshot

Admins cannot "approve" versions - there is no such thing. Even if there was, it's not possible to "approve" a violation of our fair use guidelines. Screenshots from videos or films may only be used to illustrate the film in question, as other uses may violate copyright laws. Please do not revert the removal. Thanks for your understanding. FCYTravis 20:54, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

Then it's a miracle no-one had seen this before! Including Bacteria, who has modified the page humself many times whilst the image has been present, yet has NEVER said a word, nor tried to remove the image until after the newbie - two days on Wiki and knows it all - came along and removed it. It stays until someone finds a replacement, which can only happen if it's taken from a film.

Thank you for YOUR understanding. Lost Girls Diary 20:59, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

I've reverted again. Please take note of what User:FCYTravis has said and read over the fair use guidelines. Gakusha 21:03, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

I'm afraid that's not how it works. Any non-free image which can be replaced - and any image of a living person can be replaced by a free image, simply by taking a photo of the person and releasing it under the public domain or a free licence - may not be used on Misplaced Pages. Again, I urge you to read our non-free content criteria, taking particular notice of: No free equivalent. Non-free content is used only where no free equivalent is available, or could be created, that would serve the same encyclopedic purpose. Where possible, non-free content is transformed into free material instead of using a fair-use defense. Non-free content is always replaced with a freer alternative if one of acceptable quality is available. "Acceptable quality" means a quality sufficient to serve the encyclopedic purpose. (As a quick test, ask yourself: "Can this image be replaced by a different one that has the same effect?" If the answer is yes, the image probably does not meet this criterion.) If we don't have a free photo of a living person, we don't have an image of them at all. FCYTravis 21:05, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

Never ceases to amaze how you people see a page for over a year and do nothing, then all of a sudden you get a bee in your collective bonnets, become pious and holier than thou, and go around removing things because you all suddenly 'know the rules' - because some newbie came along and dictated, in the case of removing the image from the Katharine Isabelle page. I didn't even put the image there; and you have all seen it there, and what did you do before? NOTHING!!! You are all sheep. Or is this truly conspiracy?! Lost Girls Diary 21:26, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

Edit summaries

This sort of thing is inappropriate. We expect editors to act like adults, and that doesn't include calling people vandals and telling them to get a life. Misplaced Pages is free content- we have very specific conditions under which we will use non-free images. Friday (talk) 00:02, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

Frankly, Friday, if people come along and mess with the pages which I have looked after and kept in good, improving shape for some considerable time, then proceed to vandalize, then I am afraid, I call them vandals. I speak as I find! Similarly, I expect others to behave in a well mannered, responsible fashion, and exhibit a degree of common sense. Sadly, such things are beyond many people using these pages - no names, no pack drill.

I contribute useful content and improvements to the pages I look after. The people you are talking of exist, largely, it seems, to adhere to a rulebook, that is actually a set of guidelines, in order to disrupt and, often, go against the wishes of the community at large - which the Wiki guidelines on the use of images makes mention of - along with using common sense. Lost Girls Diary 20:26, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

Vandalism does not mean "an edit I don't like". See Misplaced Pages:Vandalism. People will tend to get irritated at the misuse of this term. Friday (talk) 21:24, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

Katharine Isabelle

I'm going to answer your comment on the credit placing in that article's talk space, but I will reiterate that I simply don't find it encylopedic info. As for the image thing - I was not conspiring; I realised for a while that it was inappropriate for the article, but it falls under the category of not wanting to toss it myself until someone else had the balls to do it first. In addition to me visibly weak confidence issues, this site's policies on images have confused me as much as they've pissed me off, so I never want to take strong strides involving them (which is why I refuse to bother uploading any here ever again). With an official hand guiding, I simply enforced backed it up. Though, to be honest, I really shouldn't have even gotten involved as deep as I did because the image issues is just shit that I don't want to deal with. --Bacteria 09:48, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

I have seen that you have had problems with images previously. I can only commiserate with you on that, having now experienced the dead hand of "authority"; though why you would get involved in the fiasco with Travis is beyond me - probably beyond you too from your coments.

I have commented in full on the credits listings, etc on the KI page. I realize you may disagree with me on the issue, but hope you can agree to let the info remain. There aren't many regular users of KI page, and I hope the few can agree to get along with each other.

Lost Girls Diary 21:19, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

Katharine Isabelle

Please do not revert useful edits to that article withought even giving an explanation. I removed "notable roles" and "height" from the infobox because those fields have been deleted from the template itself, and thus don't even show up anymore. I deleted "caption" and "imagesize" because they apply to an image, and there is no image in the article. As for how the opening sentence should be structured, see WP:MOSBIO - birthplace and parents' occupation does not belong in this paragraph. I divided the article into sections because that is how most articles on Misplaced Pages are structured. As for the filmography, I added tags like "rowspan="3"" because they make the filmography structuring easier. I removed the category "Canadian actors" because it is a parent category of "Canadian film actors", which is already in the article. I removed the category "Canadians of Scottish descent" because it is not sourced. All Hallow's Wraith 10:08, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

I don't see that any of your edits are useful at all. Sorry, but that is the case. "Canadians of Scottish descent" links directly to an internal (Misplaced Pages) page, so should be left in, so should "Canadian actors" because Katharine has done film, tv and theatre, not just film. The now unused items in the infobox should be retained for future use; and anyway, why delete when there is no need to? I checked back, and Lost Girl is right, "rowspan" is inadequate for the purpose in this instance, it cramps the latter sections. If you had checked yourself, you would have seen it. quite apart from this, the filmography doesn't need structuring, it already is structured, and perfectly easy to add to. Again, why change something just for the sake of change? The article already was divided. I'm afraid just putting in titles as you did and nothing else of note made it look bitty and uncared for. Checking back, I noticed Bacteria a fairly large contributor didn't fall into line with your previous edits wheh he made some minor (and I think proper) changes today. I think that speaks for itself. Relister 01:44, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

Okay, I accept most of that, but I am reverting to the former layout. I suggest you read the Wp: Mosbio page which tells you that they adherence is NOT a requirement. No-one else, including FCYTravis are bothered about this, and he is an admin. He has seen the page recently and hasn's a problem with it. Lost Girls Diary 18:52, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

It doesn't matter if anyone else was or was not bothered by it. I suppose one couldn't say that WP:MOSBIO is "set in stone", but there is no reason not to follow it, since its purpose is to unite Misplaced Pages articles under the same coherent style - as MOSBIO says - it is a "generally accepted standard that all editors should follow". All Hallow's Wraith 19:46, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

Sorry, but you show monumental arrogance here. I had my arguments with Travis, but he is an Admin, and a stickler for form. If he is happy with a page, then you should be too, and there can be no argument. Relister 01:44, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

Show me in Mosbio where it says All Hallows Wraith is right and everyone else is wrong?!

In the first place, Mosbio says first and foremost: "Adherence to these guidelines is NOT required" That is the very first thing it says. That should tell you everything you need to know as to why you are wrong to keep reverting to your vision of things.

In amongst the other guidelines, it also says common sense should prevail, and also says, in effect, that if the majority are happy with any given page, then leave it alone! They are the guidelines, I suggest you go with the flow. Lost Girls Diary 20:04, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

I don't see any of your reverts adhering to common sense, nor do I see why this should be an exception to MOSBIO. Also, see Misplaced Pages:Lead section for advice on how that should be structured. All Hallow's Wraith 20:28, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

Also, be wary of WP:3RR - neither of us can revert the page more than 3 times in the course of 24 hours. Doing so can result in being block for a period of time. All Hallow's Wraith 20:25, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

You are way out of order, and out of your depth. Lost Girls Diary 21:07, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

Just want to say I hope you haven't been bullied into the new batch of edits? It does look good and reads well though. For me, that is a good page. If All Hallows wants a show of hands, not that it's necessary, then here's mine, and that makes two. And as Bacteria didn't fall in line with your previous edits, I think you can call that three to one just for starters Relister 01:44, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

Relister, are you a sockpuppet of Lost Girls Diary? It's just that you registered your account very shortly after Lost Girls Diary got into an edit war with someone, and haven't edited much outside of the Isabelle page, the Emily Perkins page, and the Ginger Snaps page (all Lost Girls Diary mainstays) since. You've returned after a month of total inactivity in order to help Lost Girls Diary out in an edit war. So, what do you think? All Hallow's Wraith 03:21, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

Emily Perkins

If you revert again on Perkins's page, that would be your fourth revert in 24 hours, and thus you would be in violation of WP:3RR. Instead of reverting further, please discuss why you think that the page should make these lengthy violations of WP:MOSBIO and WP:Lead section (including not having an introductory paragraph) All Hallow's Wraith 20:58, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

Dont' get all sanctimonious with me. You are in danger of vandalism, blatant and outright. Only you find it necessary to go around changing pages to suit yourself, not to go along with any manual of style!

Try reading exactly what it says, adn ask yourself why it says in the mosbio, first and foremost: Adherence to these guidelines in not required.

Do you even know what that phrase means? Or, for that matter, what majority rule means? Or even what "recommended" means, it certainly does NOT mean some self-righteous prig can come along and decide what should or should not be there. It is time you learned what it is like in the big wide world, and woe betide you when you get there. Or perhaps that is your problem, and you are some downtrodden little clerk whose boss dicates to him all day every day and your only outlet is to play GOD on wikipedia. That sounds more than probable . . .

I have also read your comments on Bacteria's page, hoping he would gang up with you against me. If you took the time to actually read before diving in and editing, then you would know his reversion was about the experiment I tried with an underlining, and change of headers size, nothing more. I was going to undo, but your unnecessary tampering got in the way!Lost Girls Diary 21:08, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

WP:MOSBIO states "It is a generally accepted standard that all editors should follow". The full sentence, that you did not quote, is "Adherence to the following guidelines is not required; however, usage of these guidelines is recommended. Maintaining consistency will allow Misplaced Pages to be read, written, edited, navigated, and used more easily by readers and editors alike.". I see no evidence that you have any majority supporting you. The only user who reverted me is User:Relister, and I strongly suspect that that user is simply a sockpuppet of yours. All Hallow's Wraith 21:13, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

You have broken WP:3RR on Emily Perkins. Furthermore, yes, we do use surnames to refer to people on Misplaced Pages, not first names. There is really no debate about that, so yes, that page will definitely one way or the other refer to her as "Perkins" all the way through, not "Emily". Next, Perkins' birthplace is awkwardly shuttled into the first sentence, even though it does not belong there. All Hallow's Wraith 21:20, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

No, I haven't, I edited, not reverted. Furthermore, you are way out of order, and as I have said before, out of your depth. Keep it up, by all means, you will grow tired before me. What's more, the page will NOT refer to Emily as Perkins, not once, not ever. Pick a fight with me and you picked the wrong girl in the wrong place in the wrong century. You will lose, period! Lost Girls Diary 21:26, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

WP:MOSBIO doesn't say that place of birth should be included in the opening, and indeed, it shouldn't. As for using last names to refer to people, see Misplaced Pages:Manual of Style (biographies) again - under "Subsequent uses of names" - "After the initial mention of any name, the person may be referred to by surname only. For example:

Fred Smith was a cubist painter in the 15th century. He moved to Genoa, where he met John Doe. Smith later commented: "D'oh!"" All Hallow's Wraith 03:19, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

Well, I'm sorry for you, but this is going to have to be an exception. There are thousands of pages on Wiki which include place of birth. Are the editors and users of those pages all wrong too, and the great I am all hallows wraith is right?! I think not. Katharine is going to be called "Katharine", and Emily "Emily". Noone goes around referring to them as Isabelle and Perkins, and this is not going to be an exception! if you don't like it, then go elsewhere, because you'll get no lasting satisfaction with yout totaally unnecessary changes as long as I am around, I assure you! As I've said before countless times, if the page is good enough for a Wiki admin who is a total pedant for getting it right, then it should be good enough for you. Please don't continue with this vendetta against me. This is the time to use your common sense, and exception; please be sensible. If you choose not to (but I assume you have more sense), then I assure you I won't give up, and I assuredly will not be beaten. Furthermore, if you keep on casting aspurtions in my direction, then I will be tempted to follow relisters example. And if you think I AM relister, then think again. Lost Girls Diary 04:54, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

It's not going to be an exception. I've seen no compelling reason for WP:MOSBIO to be broken in such excessive ways. All Hallow's Wraith 07:00, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

I have never heard anything so OTT and melodramatic in all my life. You really need psychiatric attention in my opinion.

Just to let you know, I emailed a good number of interested parties from outwith wikipedia, and they were upset to hear what you are up to, and they promised me they would enrol here to help with the upkeep of the Katie and Emily pages.

I don't know if they have enrolled or not, nor if they are interested enough to help maintain the page in a decent fashion, but I guess time will tell. Lost Girls Diary 16:06, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

A word- at Misplaced Pages we strongly frown on bringing people into disputes from outside, see WP:MEATPUPPET. JoshuaZ 21:09, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

I posted a warning about meatpuppeting to this page previously, but it was deleted. All Hallow's Wraith 21:17, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

It was deleted becauee you are doing exactly what you are accusing me of. Lost Girls Diary 21:19, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

Actually, no he isn't. You are clearly using sock/meatpuppets to push through your own edits. That is a violation of WP:SOCK. All Hallow isn't using socks or meatpuppets. He is a single user. Legal threats like this are a violation of WP:LEGAL. Please stop. IrishGuy 21:21, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

Katharine Isabelle

Hi, I've reverted your edits to that article. Your edits did not comply with the Misplaced Pages manual of style. Among other issues, people are referred to by their surnames names not their given names in articles. If you have any questions are concerns please don't hesitate to ask on my talk page - User talk:JoshuaZ. Thanks! JoshuaZ 21:05, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

The wikpedia manual of style is optional. It tells you that. It is clear to me that you are an accolyte of All Hallow's Wraith! Lost Girls Diary 21:16, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

Further to this, I will do no more work here. I will be in contact with Katharine's lawyers on Monday and proceedings will be started in due course to remove her page entirely. Lost Girls Diary 21:22, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

This seems like an excessive violation of Misplaced Pages:No legal threats. All Hallow's Wraith 21:24, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

Since you didn't heed my earlier warning and once more made legal threats, you are now blocked. IrishGuy 21:24, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

IrishGuy 21:25, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

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Request reason:

In the first place, I did not make a legal threat. All Hallows Wraith was, and had been using provocative language for some time, I suggested he was close to libelling me, and that if he did so, I would then take action against him. That is not a threat of legal action, that is merely asking someone NOT to force one into that position by THEIR actions. Secondly, I did not see any warning from you whatsoever, and find it amazing that when I was the one being persistently provoked by Wraith, simply because I disagreed with him over a page style issue (anon), that you came down suddenly and within two minutes without a by your leave on his side. As for the reasons for the dispute, I said then and say now that the manual of style is not written in stone, it say as much in the article's front page, beginning "adherence to these guidelines in not required, but is recommended". That is official wiki policy, and implies that an editor has a choice, and does not have to be dictated to by the manual, another editor or an admin. It is all very well to say that articles must be in accordance with the manual of style, but, as you well know, and as stated here, the manual of style is nothing more than a recommendation, not a rule to be followed blindly. As for the allegations of puppetry or whatever, ou should know that this isp spans a particulalry wide network. Not that it is the only one, as there are dozens and they are chosen at random. You may choose to believe that or not, but it is true, and I could if I so chose, log on to wiki any time I please so long as I specify a different isp. The fact that I have not should indicate to you not that I am incapable of logging on, but that I am heartily sick and tired of the to-ing and fro-ing. When it comes down to it, it makes no difference to me, you can and will do as you please. I do however find it a great pity you don't appreciate good editors when you get them. I haven't edited indiscriminately, but only on articles pertaining to shows/people I know well. I damned near completely built the KI page myself, The EP page was a complete mess before I worked on it, and the Ginger Snaps pages were a complete mess, the actual Ginger Snaps page has been virtually rewritten by myself, and is in excellent shape now - rather more than could be said for it before I began editing. I have no doubt they will be a mess again in very short order. Goodbye.

Decline reason:

It is generally accepted that saying "I will take legal action if you don't stop" to be a legal threat within our policy. Until you withdraw that threat, your account will not be unblocked. Daniel 08:10, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

If you want to make any further unblock requests, please read the guide to appealing blocks first, then use the {{unblock}} template again. If you make too many unconvincing or disruptive unblock requests, you may be prevented from editing this page until your block has expired. Do not remove this unblock review while you are blocked.

Lost Girls Diary 21:36, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

WP:ANI notice

Just wanted to note that there is a discussion about you at WP:ANI. Please comment there. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 21:12, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

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