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Request

Please review WP:NPOV and WP:NOR. Please be cautious in pushing a particular POV. It is not that your edits provide bad information. However, you need to be more careful in how you present that information. If you have any questions or concerns, please contact me or place {{helpme}} on your talk page to get questions answered. Be well! Vassyana 15:34, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

Thanks

Legalese 17:59, 16 March 2007 (UTC) hey, thanks for your message on the Dharmic Religion Talk page. haha, just FYI...the first line that you quoted, was actually written by me. hehehe...yea, i know the SC revised its version for good. but do you know, there is still a BIG VOID in terms of perception, and perhaps the facts still need to be writ large. in solidarity, rishabh plz write to me at rsanchetiATgmail i logged in after a loooooooooong time on wiki...exams around the corner, dont know if i'd be able to log in too freq. here before april. i have some material which i researched/obtained from some scholars/jain saints on the differences. need to organise it and "publish" it,

Don't use my talk page for public discussions

The title says it all. Refrain from using my talk page for posting in-general opinions or discussing with third parties or for posting your declarations and pronouncements. User:pages are not meant for that. It's clear that you are a product of the English media's campaign against Hinduism. I am no oldie, but a Gen Z guy who knows that the BJP/Shiv-Sena are a bunch of crooks. I also know that these 2 nutcase parties DO NOT and will never represent Hinduism. They are not the torch-bearers of Hinduism. My idol Einstein says it all here.

Also, for Mahavira's sake please read what I have written in response to Legalese in the section on "On IAF's response to 10 times...". Reply there, coz now the onus of clarifications on your edits is on you as I have already posted my rationale on various sections on that talk-page already. I am not going to revert what you've just edited because a) I wanna avoid an edit-battle and b) I want to discuss and reach a consensus first. For this, I am willing to repeat all that I've written to respond to you all over again and c) I am very tightly busy nowadays. Indian_Air_Force(IAF)

Dear IAF,

If you are willing to listen to reason then there is no problem. I would like to come to a consensus, that's a best way. I have always believed in making friends who talk with civility. But I would rather prefer that I know whom I am addressing to rather than some anonymous person.--Anishshah19 14:50, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

• I too have given numerous reasons and now the ball is in your court to respond (at the second-last section started by Legalese). The kind of civility given will be the kind that will be given back; if you feel squeamish on my username and contribs, I too will assume genders after all we're all anonymous aren't we ? There is no need of "knowing" anyone personally here. That's not required for discussion. I've had hundreds of discussions with hundreds of people here and I've known about only 2 (and that too when they chose to tell). Indian_Air_Force

I think legalese has replied to your issues pointwise.--Anishshah19 18:14, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

AnishShah an honest no-holes-barred question to you. I expect you to reply honestly. Have you spared a few minutes and read my replies to you in the IR talk page ? Even once ? Ever ? I ask this because every time you simply repeat what you said before and do not try to refute me point by point, whereas I like a mule reply to you point by point (whether in tabular form or simple text). I have even memorised your references Masih, Sangawe etc.

My opinion is that you just speedily glance through my reply and post what you said earlier all over again. Without thinking. Only difference is that you now post it in new words and sentences. Sometimes it is tabular form. Sometimes you get a buddy like Manish Modi along to speak the same lines over and over again.

Do reply to this here. Indian_Air_Force

April 2007

Welcome to Misplaced Pages. We invite everyone to contribute constructively to our encyclopedia. However, adding content without citing a reliable source, as you did to Karma, is not consistent with our policy of verifiability. Take a look at the welcome page to learn more about contributing to this encyclopedia. Thank you. Buddhipriya 07:17, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

What content without citing sources aqre you talking about. Dont undo any changes without revisions. If a citation is required then tag it as such. --Anishshah19 07:23, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for getting in touch. Please refer to WP:Verifiability which says "Editors should provide attribution for quotations and for any material that is challenged or likely to be challenged, or it may be removed. The burden of evidence lies with the editor wishing to add or retain the material. If an article topic has no reliable sources, Misplaced Pages should not have an article on it." If you wish to add material that is unsourced, one approach is to put the information on the talk page for the article first to try to get help from other editors to find WP:RS. Perhaps that approach would be helpful to you in the future. Buddhipriya 07:30, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

question for you, dear sir

i can see u have lots of knowledge on Jainism. had a simple question - can women achieve nirvana/liberation in jainism? b/c somewhere or another i read that they couldnt, and only men could, b/c they are at a higher spiritual evolution, and women had to wait to become men before being liberated. Sadartha 01:23, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

are majority of jains followers of digambara or svetambara? Sadartha 15:14, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

okay, thanks for your answers. also dont put up email address where anyone can see - it could become a privacy issue. so what do women say to the digambara philosophy that women are lower than men? i'm sure theres some kind of controversy over equality of gender and feminist stuff right? but i guess since digambara are a minority, women dont pay much attention.... Sadartha 03:55, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

thanks very much on the information for liberation of jain women. Sadartha 21:35, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

Karma in Jainism

Hi, Thanks for your edits on Karma_in_Jainism.

• However before putting disputed neutrality tag please discuss as to why you are disputing the neutrality on the talk pages.
• Please discuss where cleanup is required.
• Please discuss why it has been put as Class B Article and not Class A as put by me.

For any changes please discuss on talk pages first or else it would be considered as POV and reverted back. I would appreciate your contributions a lot. Looking forwarding to constructive contribution to ensure that this article(in fact all jainism articles) is rated as featured article.--Anish Shah 05:22, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

I rated it down to B-class because it does not match the Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Jainism/Assessment standards for A-class articles. I realize that not all WikiProjects add Good Article status to the B-A-FA continuum, it is also important to remember that a poorly written page with many grammatical errors and clear, or even disputed bias cannot be A-class. I also added a POV tag because it seems to hold Jainism above other religions in its principles, saying that it is the only religion which does a certain thing, when that is not necessarily true (though technically I could delete such claims under WP:V, I would not due to the fact that some of these may be nominally true). I will copy this down on my talk page for record-keeping purposes. --queso man 00:55, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

I do not agree with you and your way of functioning. Either you do some constructive contribution and not be a member of Jainism Misplaced Pages project for name sake. I said point out the cases which require the necessary changes and we will make the necessary changes. As the name of article suggests it provides the Karmic theory from jainism point of view. I have taken all the sources from respected authors who have researched jainism deeply. So kindly do not impose your POV on others. If you see the tag taht you have put, it requires "more specific message" and "discussion on talk pages". If that is not forthcoming I will have to revert back. However i am open to making substantial changes wherever required.I am copying this on the talk pages of Karma in Jainism so that it stays on record. I am inviting improvements from you and other members of this project. If there are no contributions then I will rate the Article as per the wiki guidelines. Thanks--Anish Shah 04:45, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

Sorry, but not agreeing with me is not a good nor a valid reason to change something. The WikiProject Assessment guidelines clearly show that an A-class article must meet some guidelines when it comes to referencing, NPOV, and grammar. It is debatable whether an A-class article must be better than a Good Article, but in this WikiProject, GA status is necessary before promotion to A-class. I suggest you study these guidleines. Also, just because something is above Jainism, it doesn't have to be written from a Jain point of view. All Misplaced Pages articles MUST be written from an objective viewpoint. Just because Dr. Jaini is a respected author, the source is not automatically unbiased. Even Acharya Sushilkumar is biased, no matter how respected he is. The constant referencing of biased sources (the Tattvartha Sutra being one of the few ones that is not used in a negative way) is one of the main shortcomings of the article. Misplaced Pages articles are not designed to support their subject; they must instead simply shed light on the topic. As for any lack of constructive edits about Jainism I have made, I am quite an old-timer on this WikiProject as the second person to join. By looking at my contributions and articles I have edited or created on Jainism, it is quite clear that I have not added my name to the Jainism WikiProject just for the status. --queso man 03:22, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

I have made some changes, mostly grammatical, as I see fit. Please look this over and add your opinion on the talk page or change it as you like, in which case I will look over your edits and see what we can compromise on. I also moved the tag for bias to a specific section where the bias seems to be concentrated. I have also written something on the talk page, mostly about reasons why the WikiProject has been declining in some ways, and why it is not as good as it should be, which you inquired about. There are also some proposals on how to improve the article.Σ --queso man 19:49, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

Reintroducing unsourced content

Please do not add content without citing reliable sources. If you would like to experiment, please use the sandbox. Thank you. Addhoc 11:54, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

Please stop. Continuing to add unsourced or original content is considered vandalism and may result in a block. Addhoc 12:04, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

Do you know the meaning of Vandalism, Original research and Citing Source ? Please understanding it aand then warn others. Original vandalism was done by you on the pages of Legal status of Jainism. There is an wilfull attempt to subvert the truth on these pages in the name of "Unsourced section" and "original research". Bal Patil Court Judgement has been modified to advocate a NPOV and other court Judgement that proves Jainism as distinct judgement - Committee of Management Kanya Junior High School Bal Vidya Mandir - has been purposely deleted. I fail to understand why ? Where is the question of Original Research for court Judgement which are public documents. Is a court verdict delivered by a Judge a Original research ? Then delete all Judgements from Wiki.--Anish Shah 14:19, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

In the above you said "Is a court verdict delivered by a Judge a original research?" The answer is the court judgement is a primary source. My concern is that you are removing all the secondary sources and only using primary sources. Also, I have stylistic concerns - I suggest you have a look at WP:LEAD, for example. I've looked at some of your other contributions and you are clearly a good faith editor. Your edits to ahimsa were impressive, for example. In this context, I've struck through some of the above comments. I hope we can resolve this and find a compromise soon. Addhoc 15:28, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

Barnstar proposals?

Propose or vote for a barnstar for WikiProject Jainism at Misplaced Pages talk:WikiProject Jainism#Barnstar: Propose.2Fvote. --queso man 23:00, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

I put your last barnstar suggestion up on Misplaced Pages:WikiProject awards. Here's an award for helping to create our barnstar:

Image	Name	Description
	The Barnstar Star	The Barnstar Star for creating the barnstar for WikiProject Jainism. --Qmwne235 14:33, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

Dharmic Religion Talk Pages

There is a talk of deleting the Article of Dharmic religion so I am archiving the talk pages here. /dharmictalk

I've responded to your message on my talk page. Some people like to correspond on each other's talk pages back and forth; I prefer to keep a thread all in one place. rudra 05:31, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

Pujyapada

Hi, in response to your message on my talk page, this article was not completely different from the source from which it was copied. It still contained a lot of the verbiage of the source.

The easiest way to solve this problem would be for Manish_Modi to add a notice to the source webpage that its contents are licensed pursuant to the GFDL. That way, the text can be safely used here.

Let me know when he has done so and I will happily restore the article. Cheers! -- But|seriously|folks  16:39, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

Done, and I added an attribution note and backlink as required to comply with the GFDL requirements. Thanks for obtaining permission for that text to be contributed to Misplaced Pages! -- But|seriously|folks  02:49, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

Jainism and non-creationism

Please be advised that the GA rating is only supposed to be given out by independent editors who have not contributed to the article in question in any substantive way. Your own assessment of your own work above as GA class clearly does not meet those criteria. If you do believe that the article deserves that status, please nominate for such at Misplaced Pages:Good article nominations. Thereafter, a reviewer will review the article and indicate whether they believe the article meets the GA criteria or not, and, if not, exactly where it falls short and how it could be improved to meet those criteria. Thank you. John Carter 16:54, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

Unspecified source for Image:Jainaum.JPG

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