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:# ] (]:]) 01:19, 26 November 2007 (UTC) First choice. I do not believe in the good faith of this editor, who appears fascinated by any drama and trouble. | :# ] (]:]) 01:19, 26 November 2007 (UTC) First choice. I do not believe in the good faith of this editor, who appears fascinated by any drama and trouble. | ||
:# Agree. --]<sup><small>]</small></sup> 02:30, 26 November 2007 (UTC) | :# Agree. --]<sup><small>]</small></sup> 02:30, 26 November 2007 (UTC) | ||
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: Would be better to leave the indefinite ban in place. ] 13:18, 30 November 2007 (UTC) | ||
(sorry to but in, but I think Fred has forgotten that he recused himself?) - ] 02:52, 1 December 2007 (UTC) | |||
:Oppose: | :Oppose: | ||
:# I don't think this is needed. ] 03:02, 27 November 2007 (UTC) | :# I don't think this is needed. ] 03:02, 27 November 2007 (UTC) |
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Proposed temporary injunctions
Four net "support" votes needed to pass (each "oppose" vote subtracts a "support")
24 hours from the first vote is normally the fastest an injunction will be imposed.
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Proposed final decision
Proposed principles
Decorum
1) Misplaced Pages users are expected to behave reasonably and calmly in their interactions with other users, to keep their cool when editing, and to avoid acting in a manner that brings the project into disrepute. Unseemly conduct—including, but not limited to, personal attacks, incivility, assumptions of bad faith, trolling, harassment, and gaming the system—is prohibited. Users should not respond to such behavior in kind; concerns regarding the actions of other users should be brought up in the appropriate forums.
- Support:
- Kirill 01:23, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
- The Uninvited Co., Inc. 05:08, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
- FloNight♥♥♥ 15:01, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
- jpgordon 16:41, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
- James F. (talk) 23:47, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
- Mackensen (talk) 16:43, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
- Matthew Brown (Morven) (T:C) 01:20, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
- Charles Matthews (talk) 08:30, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
- Oppose:
- Abstain:
Imperfect policy
2) Much of Misplaced Pages's written policy is necessarily imperfect and continuously evolving. Users acting according to a reasonable and good-faith understanding of a policy as written should generally not be penalized if the policy is later amended to prohibit their behavior.
- Support:
- Kirill 01:23, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
- The Uninvited Co., Inc. 05:08, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
True, but not a factor in this case based on evidence given about the number of accounts used and the rationale for their use. FloNight♥♥♥ 15:01, 24 November 2007 (UTC)switch to oppose. FloNight♥♥♥ 00:41, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
- James F. (talk) 23:47, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
- Oppose:
- Not pertinent to this case. --jpgordon 16:41, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
- Not relevant. Mackensen (talk) 16:43, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
- Not relevant so better to leave it out. FloNight♥♥♥ 00:41, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
- Matthew Brown (Morven) (T:C) 01:20, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
- Charles Matthews (talk) 08:30, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
- Abstain:
Sockpuppetry
3) The use of sockpuppet accounts, while not generally forbidden, is discouraged. Abuse of sockpuppet accounts, such as using them to evade blocks, bans, and user accountability—and especially to make personal attacks or reverts, or vandalize—is prohibited. Sockpuppet accounts are not to be used in discussions internal to the project, such as policy debates.
- Support:
- Kirill 01:23, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
- The Uninvited Co., Inc. 05:08, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
- FloNight♥♥♥ 15:01, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
- Should be generally forbidden. Misplaced Pages is not a role-playing game. jpgordon 16:41, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
- James F. (talk) 23:47, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
- Mackensen (talk) 16:43, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
- Matthew Brown (Morven) (T:C) 01:20, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
- Charles Matthews (talk) 08:30, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
- Oppose:
- Abstain:
Biographies of living people
4) Misplaced Pages articles that present material about living people can affect their subjects' lives. Misplaced Pages editors who deal with these articles have a responsibility to consider the legal and ethical implications of their actions when doing so. Biographical material must be written with the greatest care and attention to verifiability, neutrality and avoiding original research, particularly if it is contentious.
- Support:
- Kirill 01:23, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
- The Uninvited Co., Inc. 05:08, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
- FloNight♥♥♥ 15:01, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
- jpgordon 16:41, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
- James F. (talk) 23:47, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
- Mackensen (talk) 16:43, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
- Matthew Brown (Morven) (T:C) 01:20, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
- Charles Matthews (talk) 08:30, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
- Oppose:
- Abstain:
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Proposed findings of fact
Privatemusings and sockpuppetry
1) Privatemusings (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) has operated a number of accounts (). His actions were arguably permitted under a reasonable interpretation of the policy as it stood at the time; however, their net effect was not beneficial to the project.
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- Oppose:
- The private and public explanations given to the Committee by Privatemusings do not convince me that he was making a good faith attempt to follow policy. FloNight♥♥♥ 15:08, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
- Per Flo. jpgordon 16:41, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
- Per Flo. And even if he was, the policy is not as it is writ, but as meant; see P2. James F. (talk) 23:47, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
- Mackensen (talk) 16:43, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
- Matthew Brown (Morven) (T:C) 01:21, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
- Charles Matthews (talk) 08:30, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
- Abstain:
Privatemusings and sockpuppetry
1.1) The evidence shows that Privatemusings (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) has operated a total of eight accounts (), well outside of policy and established norms.
- Support:
- The Uninvited Co., Inc. 05:13, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
- Second choice; the text of the written policy has diverged from established norms at some points. Kirill 05:19, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
- The private explanations given to the Committee by Privatemusings do not convince me that it was a simple misunderstanding of policy. FloNight♥♥♥ 15:05, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
- jpgordon 16:41, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
- James F. (talk) 23:47, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
- Mackensen (talk) 16:43, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
- Matthew Brown (Morven) (T:C) 01:21, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
- Charles Matthews (talk) 08:30, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
- Oppose:
- Abstain:
Privatemusings and BLP
2) Privatemusings (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) has edited biographies of living persons inappropriately ().
- Support:
- Kirill 01:23, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
- The Uninvited Co., Inc. 05:13, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
- FloNight♥♥♥ 15:11, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
- jpgordon 16:41, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
- James F. (talk) 23:47, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
- Mackensen (talk) 16:43, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
- Matthew Brown (Morven) (T:C) 01:22, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
- Charles Matthews (talk) 08:30, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
- Oppose:
- Abstain:
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Proposed remedies
Note: All remedies that refer to a period of time, for example to a ban of X months or a revert parole of Y months, are to run concurrently unless otherwise stated.
Privatemusings limited to one account
1) Privatemusings (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) is limited to using one and only one account to edit. He is to inform the Committee of the account selected, and must obtain the Committee's approval if he wishes to begin using a different account.
- Support:
- Kirill 01:23, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
- The Uninvited Co., Inc. 05:16, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
- FloNight♥♥♥ 15:29, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
- jpgordon 16:41, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
- James F. (talk) 23:47, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
- Mackensen (talk) 16:43, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
- Matthew Brown (Morven) (T:C) 01:22, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
- Charles Matthews (talk) 08:30, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
- Oppose:
- Abstain:
Privatemusings restricted
2) Privatemusings (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) is subject to an editing restriction indefinitely. He is prohibited from editing any article that is substantially a biography of a living person. Should he edit such an article, he may be blocked for the duration specified in the enforcement ruling below.
- Support:
- Kirill 01:23, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
- A topic ban seems appropriate to me as Privatemusings tries to rehabilitate his reputation and gain the confidence of other users that he can follow our policy. FloNight♥♥♥ 15:29, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
- jpgordon 16:41, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
- Per Flo. James F. (talk) 23:47, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
- Mackensen (talk) 16:43, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
- Matthew Brown (Morven) (T:C) 01:23, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
- Charles Matthews (talk) 08:30, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
- Oppose:
- The Uninvited Co., Inc. 05:16, 24 November 2007 (UTC) Principled opposition to enduring partial restrictions on editing.
- Abstain:
Privatemusings banned for 90 days
3) Privatemusings (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)' editing privileges are revoked for a period of 90 days. The revocation affects all accounts.
- Support:
- The Uninvited Co., Inc. 05:16, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
- Several reasons to revoke Privatemusings' editing privileges: 1) To allow the community to take a break from dealing with Privatemusings as he has exhausted the patience of some users with good reason. 2) Give Privatemusings a chance to reflect more on our findings and the remedies giving him a better chance at succeeding as an editor. He needs to realize that this is his last chance and if he does not follow our ruling that he will be indefinitely blocked from editing. FloNight♥♥♥ 15:29, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
- jpgordon 16:41, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
- Per Flo. James F. (talk) 23:47, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
- Second choice. Matthew Brown (Morven) (T:C) 01:24, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
- Charles Matthews (talk) 16:00, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
- Oppose:
- No need for an outright ban if the sockpuppetry matter is resolved otherwise. Kirill 05:21, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
- Unnecessary. Mackensen (talk) 16:43, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
- Abstain:
Privatemusings banned for one year.
3.1) Privatemusings (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)' editing privileges are revoked for a period of one year. The revocation affects all accounts.
- Support:
- Matthew Brown (Morven) (T:C) 01:19, 26 November 2007 (UTC) First choice. I do not believe in the good faith of this editor, who appears fascinated by any drama and trouble.
- Agree. --jpgordon 02:30, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
- Would be better to leave the indefinite ban in place. Fred Bauder 13:18, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
- Oppose:
- I don't think this is needed. Kirill 03:02, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
- The Uninvited Co., Inc. 17:28, 28 November 2007 (UTC) Based on parity with other cases, I don't think the findings of fact support this remedy. To FloNight and Morven's point, there may be an additional case to be made that would justify this remedy, but we haven't made it.
- Charles Matthews (talk) 08:30, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
- Abstain:
- Adding this remedy after re-reading the emails from Privatemusings and then the on wiki evidence again. Going to sleep on it before I decide. FloNight♥♥♥ 00:52, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
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Proposed enforcement
Enforcement by block
1) Should any user subject to an editing restriction in this case violate that restriction, that user may be briefly blocked, up to a week in the event of repeated violations. After 5 blocks, the maximum block shall increase to one month. All blocks are to be logged at Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Privatemusings#Log of blocks and bans.
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- Too weak given his main restriction is against editing BLP articles. If he decides to ignore our remedy (hopefully he will not ignore it), I feel this has the potential of allowing him to return to an article over and over and stir up trouble. FloNight♥♥♥ 15:48, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
- jpgordon 16:41, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
- Per Flo. James F. (talk) 23:47, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
- Mackensen (talk) 16:43, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
- Matthew Brown (Morven) (T:C) 01:24, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
- Charles Matthews (talk) 08:30, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
- Abstain:
Enforcement by block
1.1) Should Privatemusings edit a BLP article he will receive one warning and a one week block; if he resumes editing a BLP article then he will be indefinitely blocked. Blocks are to be logged at Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Privatemusings#Log of blocks and bans.
- Support:
- I do not want to give an user a license to disrupt BLP articles as their last hurray. I'm hoping that this enforcement will not needed in this case but we must think of worst case scenarios, too. FloNight♥♥♥ 15:48, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
- Second choice; hopefully this won't need to be used. Kirill 16:31, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
- Hopefully none of these need to be used; that's the point. jpgordon 16:41, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
- James F. (talk) 23:47, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
- Mackensen (talk) 16:43, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
- Matthew Brown (Morven) (T:C) 01:24, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
- Charles Matthews (talk) 08:30, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
- Oppose:
- Abstain:
Enforcement of one-account limitation
2) After Privatemusings (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) selects a single account for editing, his other accounts, including any newly discovered accounts, are to be blocked (or remain blocked) indefinitely, with care taken to ensure that the block of his real-world-identity-associated account is not performed in a fashion readily traceable to this matter.
- Support:
- The Uninvited Co., Inc. 05:23, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
- Kirill 05:25, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
- FloNight♥♥♥ 15:49, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
- jpgordon 16:41, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
- James F. (talk) 23:47, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
- Mackensen (talk) 16:43, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
- Matthew Brown (Morven) (T:C) 01:25, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
- Charles Matthews (talk) 08:30, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
- Oppose:
- Abstain:
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Discussion by Arbitrators
General
Motion to close
Implementation notes
Clerks and Arbitrators should use this section to clarify their understanding of the final decision--at a minimum, a list of items that have passed. Additionally, a list of which remedies are conditional on others (for instance a ban that should only be implemented if a mentorship should fail), and so on. Arbitrators should not pass the motion until they are satisfied with the implementation notes.
Vote
Four net "support" votes needed to close case (each "oppose" vote subtracts a "support")
24 hours from the first motion is normally the fastest a case will close.
- Close; we're done here. Kirill 04:57, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
- Close. --jpgordon 06:02, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
- Close. The Uninvited Co., Inc. 06:17, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
- Close. Charles Matthews (talk) 08:27, 30 November 2007 (UTC)