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photo of Willamette Valley.

any chance you could photo shop that photo a little to lighten it up some. I think I would help it a lot. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rvannatta (talk • contribs) 03:30, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

ps. lightning up the shadows and mid tones and adding some color saturation makes it a very dramatic photo---likely simlar to what you saw..... I downloaded it and gently cooked it, but can't figure out the license approach to reupload it to show you.Rvannatta 04:10, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

Your revised version now closely tracks what I did. No point in uploading mine---you did a good tweek on it. Digital cameras seem to have a lot of trouble making landscapes too dark.Rvannatta 06:46, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

I may have overdone it but take a look at this:Rvannatta 07:17, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

I'd say a little too bright. Makes it look a little like a nuclear bomb went off. Aboutmovies 15:27, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

I was cruzin your talk page, came across this, thought I could offer a little help. Use it as you like, but I uploaded an edit. The original was a little dark but better under-exposed than over-exposed. If you think it's over the top no need to use it. -Fcb981 19:33, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, it looks better, I swapped the images on the article. Aboutmovies 20:41, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

Coveted WPORE barnstar-worthy?

Check this out. Katr67 00:08, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

Go for it. Dang, that's a lot of redlinks at the bottom. Aboutmovies 00:35, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

Old Dead Schools. Who knew? Katr67 01:34, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

Incommunicado

Howard W. Robertson--should we try mediation? Maybe a third party can get him/her to talk. Those not paying attention might think it's merely a content dispute and an Afd is going to look awfully POINTy, unfortunately. Katr67 07:23, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

DYK

On 1 October, 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Levi Scott (pioneer), which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Cheers, D_arkF_alls 06:13, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

ArticleHistory error category

FYI, your recent edit popped up in the article history error category, please see the instructions at {{articlehistory}}. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 21:27, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

Image:ORCapPioneer.JPG

This is just crying out to be turned into a WPORE related warning template or something. Katr67 04:55, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure that's the image I used for the WPOR award, but maybe we can add some red eyes and make it look like he's hold a baseball bat instead of a tarp? Aboutmovies 05:00, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

Oh, yeah, you're right. But there's something so much more ominous about the uncropped version. His eyes are following me around the room.... Katr67 05:57, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

Step away from brownies, you've had enough. Aboutmovies 05:58, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

It's only sleep-dep, I swear... Katr67 06:12, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

OK, this is exactly what we need:

Needs cropping and scary eyes would be a nice touch... BTW, summary of West Union: A bunch of Baptists band together in the harsh and lonely wilderness, name town after their union. More news at eleven. Katr67 19:22, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

But was it nestled?! Aboutmovies 19:50, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

It is cozily nestled on the edge of the vibrant city of Beaverton. I hope you will soon be writing an article that will showcase this beautiful community which boasts a quaint historic Baptist church accompanied by a historic cemetery teeming with famous Old Dead Guys as well as easy access to all the natural wonders that Oregon has to offer. Katr67 23:03, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

Dahlias

Hey, that's a great shot of the dahlias! -Pete 06:30, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

Did you know

On 2 October, 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Hondo Dog Park, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--Allen3  15:48, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

Cave Junction

I added Cave Junction, Oregon to Misplaced Pages:Good article nominations. You had some critiques for it the other day, and I'm wondering if you'd like to review it? - Peregrine Fisher 19:49, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

DYK

On 4 October, 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article NW Natural, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

---- Anonymous Dissident 10:21, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

Articles by size list

Check out Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Dinosaurs/dinosaur articles by size. Would it be helpful to set up something like this for WP:ORE? I was checking out their project because someone at WP:KANSAS mentioned that they "churn out FAs like clockwork..." Katr67 18:23, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

I think we can ask the bot owner who did theirs to make us a list like that. Re:OSC--I'll see if I can manage a couple stubs to fix the redlinks that are still in there and add a bit more about the wings. I'm tired though--I rode in my first century bike ride yesterday--so maybe not until tomorrow. I hate discovering new muscle groups... Katr67 18:52, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

Cool. I'm sure it will be awhile before much action on OSC. Bengay and Icyhot. Aboutmovies 18:57, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

P.S. Do you have an article title for reference 13 at Oregon State Capitol? Without it it gives an error message. Thanks! Katr67 18:57, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

WikiProject Biography Newsletter 5

The Biography WikiProject Newsletter Volume IV, no. 4 - September 2007
Project News The three-month long Summer Assessment Drive, organized by Psychless, was a huge success! It ran from June 1 – September 1, and reduced the backlog of unassessed articles from 113,385 to 56,237. In all, over 100,000 articles were assessed. Over 60 people contributed in some way. A barnstar has been created for exceptional work on Misplaced Pages biographies and for assisting the project. The Biography Barnstar is listed with the other WikiProject awards and can be awarded easily with a template. See the template page for more details. Member News Congratulations to the editors who worked on the newest featured biographies: Augustus; William Shakespeare; Adriaen van der Donck; Alfred Russel Wallace; Alison Krauss; Anne Frank; Anne of Denmark; Asser; Bart King; Bill O'Reilly; Bobby Robson; Bradley Joseph; CM Punk; Ceawlin of Wessex; Colley Cibber; Cædwalla of Wessex; Dominik Hašek; Elizabeth Needham; Frank Macfarlane Burnet; Georg Cantor; Gregory of Nazianzus; Gunnhild Mother of Kings; Gwen Stefani; Hannah Primrose, Countess of Rosebery; Harriet Arbuthnot; Harry S. Truman; Henry, Bishop of Uppsala; Héctor Lavoe; Ine of Wessex; Ion Heliade Rădulescu; Jack Sheppard; Jackie Chan; Jay Chou; John Martin Scripps; John Mayer; Joseph Francis Shea; Joshua A. Norton; Kate Bush; Kazi Nazrul Islam; Kevin Pietersen; Martin Brodeur; Mary Martha Sherwood; Mary of Teck; Maximus the Confessor; Miranda Otto; Muhammad Ali Jinnah; P. K. van der Byl; Penda of Mercia; Pham Ngoc Thao; Rabindranath Tagore; Ramón Emeterio Betances; Red Barn Murder; Richard Hakluyt; Richard Hawes; Robert Garran; Roman Vishniac; Ronald Niel Stuart; Ronald Reagan; Roy Welensky; Rudolph Cartier; Samuel Adams; Samuel Beckett; Sarah Churchill, Duchess of Marlborough; Sarah Trimmer; Sargon of Akkad; Shen Kuo; Sophie Blanchard; Stereolab; Sydney Newman; Sylvanus Morley; Tim Duncan; Timeline of Mary Wollstonecraft; Uncle Tupelo; Waisale Serevi; Wallis, Duchess of Windsor; Walter Model; William Bruce; William Goebel; Yagan; Zhou Tong; Æthelbald of Mercia; Æthelbald of Mercia New Members Congratulations to our 225 new members	From the Editors The newsletter is back! Many things have gone on during the past few months, but many things have not. While the assessment drive helped revitalize the assessment department of the project, many other departments have received no attention. Most notably: peer review and our "workgroups". A day long IRC meeting has been planned for October 13th, with the major focus being which areas of the project are "dead", what should our goals be as a project, and how to "revive" the dead areas of our project. Contribute to the discussion on the the new channel (see below) We decided to deliver this newsletter to all project members this month but only those with their names down here will get it delivered in the future. This is your newsletter and you can be involved in the creation of the next issue. Any and all contributions are welcome. Simply let yourself be known to any of the undersigned or post news on the next issue's talk page New irc channel Lastly, a new WikiProject Biography channel has been set up on the freenode network: #wikipedia-en-bio Our thanks to Phoenix 15 for setting it up. Contributors to this Issue Psychless (talk · contribs) Phoenix 15 (talk · contribs)
Complete To Do List Write an article Expand an article about: a person an actor an animator an artist a bishop a businessperson a diplomat an educator an engineer a lawyer a military person a musician a photographer a saint a politician a scientist a sportsperson a writer Improve an article by: adding references adding categories Review an article Romano Volta • Suzanne Carrell • Mullá Husayn • John Gilchrist (linguist) • Thomas Brattle • Answer requests for comments Work on the Portal Portal:Biography Assess an article Assessment requests Unassessed articles Assessment Progress Biography articles by quality and importance Quality Importance Core Other ??? Total FA 35 1,640 1,675 FL 205 205 FM 633 633 A 1 132 133 GA 41 8,421 8,462 B 99 40,837 40,936 C 33 173,713 173,746 Start 1 768,094 768,095 Stub 1 1,030,600 1 1,030,602 List 8,185 8,185 Category 394,533 394,533 Disambig 41,866 41,866 File 31,773 31,773 Project 251 251 Redirect 1 46,932 46,933 Template 20,959 20,959 NA 426 426 Assessed 212 2,569,200 1 2,569,413 Unassessed 23,579 23,579 Total 212 2,592,779 1 2,592,992 WikiWork factors (?) ω = 10,858,750 Ω = 5.37
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Did you know

On 8 October, 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Hillsboro Civic Center, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--Allen3  10:22, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

Barlow Road

Thanks for the reassessment of Barlow Road. Any particular reason you removed my last addition to the talk page? —EncMstr 18:34, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

List of Chief Justices of the Oregon Supreme Court

I don't necessarily endorse splitting it off, but as long as it was, I figured I would try to clean up the mess--thanks for finishing up. So is that part of GA criteria to remove lists from articles? If not, I agree the split probably wasn't needed. Katr67 20:33, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

As far as I know it is not in the critera, just misguided personal preference. Along with moving the pictures around, which the preference for images is not all on the right, the editor only made cosmetic changes. The main problem with splitting off the list is that it could easily be AFD'd. At some point I even thought of making a seperate Oregon Supreme Court Chief Justice article that would have the list, but I didn't see enough content to justify a seperate article. This whole new GA review is odd, I mean the captiol was reviewed a week after it passed. Odd, but oh well. Aboutmovies 20:56, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

user and talk page configuration.

I have no issues with doing what you suggested if I can just figure out what it is I should do. I'm sort of a newbie here, and still mystified as to how some of these things work.Rvannatta 21:40, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

later---thanks---I see you are hanging around WU.---- been there done that --- lawschool class of '70Rvannatta 04:09, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

WU school of medicine

I beat up on your 'school of medicine' page for WU which I think should be "College of Medicine" see talk page comments.Rvannatta 06:54, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

Did you know

On 11 October, 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Hillsboro Police Department, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--Allen3  12:33, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

Help Please

Hey, could you help me with a fair use rational for Image:Ep1002oregonstatepolice.jpg. I am no good when it comes to copyright stuff. Thanks. Tiptoety 23:24, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

Thank you! Tiptoety 18:44, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

Thank you

Thank you for adding the Portland Police Bureau article to WikiOregon COTW, i think this will greatly help improve it. I appreciate you accepting my request. Thank you, Tiptoety 18:44, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

Did you know

Did you know? was updated. On 17 October, 2007, a fact from the article Michael Francke , which you recently nominated, was featured in that section on the Main Page. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--Allen3  15:19, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

Neil Goldschmidt

Hi, I noticed your comments on the talk page about Neil Goldschmidt. I'd encourage you to stay invovled in the discussion if you have time as you see to have a pretty balanced opinion. The anon ip is currently unwilling to discuss changes before asking them, which is frustrating at best. Whoever the anon ip is, seems deadset on inserting their own POV into the article. Anyway, I'd appreciate if you'd take a look at what's going on. Davidpdx 01:34, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

Ok, now I find out that Davidpdx was recruiting people to the Neil Goldschmidt page. Why am I not shocked? 71.111.129.39 04:51, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

Feel free to move this to userspace

		The RickK Anti-Vandalism Barnstar
		Awarded for your much-appreciated vandalfight on The Vancouver Voice. Keep up the good work! VanTucky 19:37, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

P.S. This guy, who's worked from multiple IPs, comes around periodically to place this "Zorgons" crap on Vancouver, Washington. Thanks again, VanTucky 19:37, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

Digimarc edit

I'm a little confused why you added the notability box to the Digimarc Corporation article. The company controls over 60% of the US drivers license market. That seems pretty notable to me. 28bytes 05:15, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

I hope you didn't take offense at my question. I am indeed familiar with the notability guidelines. I'm sorry if you took it personally that I had a question about your edit. It just seemed odd to me that, in a week where the company is getting a great deal of press coverage, you put a notability box on the article instead of linking to the coverage. 28bytes 16:54, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

My mistake, you are correct, you tagged it in September, not October. If you still feel that the company's not notable, you just keep that box right on there. Sorry to have wasted your precious time with my stupid questions. 28bytes 18:30, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

George P. Putnam

I added some stuff to Putnam since you assessed it. He was quite the mover and shaker in Oregon for a few years. Do you think he deserves a "mid"? I'm not invested either way--I never heard of the dude before, except in connection with that homewrecker, Amelia Earhart... BTW, I thought about sending you a WikiCookie, or something slightly less cheesy, but instead I'll just say: thanks for dealing with the hundreds of road articles I tagged and don't let the whomevers ruin to your wikimood. Cheers! Katr67 22:04, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

Bumped it up, the new Oregon involved info was enough for mid. Before it came accross as he was in Oregon for a little while, next topic. On a similar note, its almost B class too if you wanted to do some more work on it. Aboutmovies 22:16, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

I've copy-edited and expanded Rose Quarter...

...take a look. --EngineerScotty 23:54, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

St. Helens School District

Look, I respect your answer, and I'm sorry for whatever I did in that talkpage that was wrong. I just think that everybody has a right to contribute, but what if they mess something up that was completely relevant? What if they change it to something completely wrong? I want to know if they did, but I don't know how except to keep the page on my watchlist, and that doesn't help if I don't check the page on a regular basis. Can you check back with me and tell me how?

Abluescarab 03:22, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

St. Helens School District 2

Thanks for the advice, and I wanted to ask if you could visit the talk page of St. Helens School District and tell me if what I wrote follows the guidlines. Thanks again.

Abluescarab 03:00, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

Wikiproject Oregon

Hey, I was wondering if it was alright if I join Misplaced Pages: WikiProject Oregon and if so, how do I join? Someone told me just to edit the page and substitute my name in another section I copied from someone else. Do I do that with the Wikiproject Oregon page?

Abluescarab 03:07, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

User Page and Creating Pages

This may still seem rude to some people, but are we allowed to say what articles we started on our user page without breaking the Misplaced Pages guidelines?

Abluescarab 04:13, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

COTW award

Hey, thank you very much for the COTW award for Fort Vancouver National Historic Site. However, I would argue that EngineerScotty made some much more substantive contributions than I did, and was there early showing leadership in how the article should develop and showing real buy-in to the larger COTW effort. All I did, really, was add some nice visuals late in the game, and mostly on parts relating to Washington rather than Oregon. Unless you object, I would like to forward the award to the much more deserving EngineerScotty. Your thoughts? -Ipoellet 19:33, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

Charles L. McNary nomination

I just placed the GA nom on hold for a minor improvement. In the future, feel welcome to inform me of any WikiProject Oregon articles that are GA nominations if you like. As long as I haven't contributed before the nom, I am happy to keep WPOR articles from having to wait a month or more to get reviewed. I also try and check the WikiProject Talk, but sometimes I miss a mention of a nomination. Happy editing, VanTucky 00:58, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

Oh, you needn't worry about preferential treatment. Just read my review of Cave Junction, Oregon :) But I understand where you're coming from, and thanks for getting back to me. VanTucky 02:10, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

An article which you started, or significantly expanded, Hare Field, was selected for DYK!

On November 2, 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Hare Field, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Thanks for your contributions! Nishkid64 (talk) 00:56, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

Please don't feed the troll

I think we have an honest-to-goodness troll. Don't feed. That is all. Katr67 10:10, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

Snowed under

Hey there, I'm impossibly beseiged by real life work right now, and can't do as thorough a reading of Hillsboro, Oregon as I wanted to. Sorry about that. I did leave some brief comments there, I hope they're helpful.

Also, Columbia River was just reviewed for GA, and the reviewer made some excellent observations. Unfortunately it looks like a pretty big job to meet all the demands before the GA hold expires. I wonder if you might consider making that a COTW next week. I know it's a last minute request, so if you have other plans that's fine of course, but if you're able to fit it in I think it would be a good one. -Pete 21:45, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

I'm thinking it might be better to contact a Canadian or two (Pfly I think) to have them try to take care of the Canadian part. It's probably easier for them resource and general knowledge wise toake care of that. I was going to try to work on it as well. Aboutmovies 22:53, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, it would make sense to recruit some Canucks, and possibly reach out to the Native Americans wikiproject too. Good idea. I'll make a note on those talk pages. -Pete 00:52, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

Internal Section Links

How do I add a link to a section in my user page? I would like to add a link in a section to another section on the same page, but it doesn't work. Is there a way to do this?

Abluescarab 23:12, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

RE: Admin

Thank you for discussing this with me, I would first like to inform you that this comment was not specifically directed at you but the many editors who feel the same way as you. Second, my poor use of words has led you astray, I do not think cadets are just police officers minus the gun, and I will admit it was a poor use of words. A Police cadet is a sworn member of the Law Enforcement Community, thought limited to what they can and can not do. My view of what a police Cadet is has not changed sense this RfA, and will never change as it is my career and i know what i can and can not do, I understand the great ethical and honesty requirements of working as a police officer and a cadet, so to answer your question, no i do not still think cadets are cops without guns, cause that is not what i thought to begin with, i know what i am. I beleive i have also owned up to many mistakes here on wikipedia and in real life, and have done so multiple times through out my RfA. Though we may differ on our views, i still thank you for your comment, Cheers! Tiptoety 01:34, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

Another RfA Spaming

DYK

		The Tireless Contributor Barnstar
		In recognition of Aboutmovies' work on Oregon topics! Blnguyen (bananabucket) 01:44, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

On November 8, 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Elijah White, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Blnguyen (bananabucket) 01:44, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

On November 9, 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Thomas R. Cornelius, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Blnguyen (bananabucket) 00:52, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

Triple crown

Your Majesty, it gives me great pleasure to bestow this triple crown. Please let me know when your next article passes FAC and I'll upgrade this to the imperial triple crown jewels. Best wishes, Durova 03:01, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

Why thank you. I'm looking forward to using my power for evil and fun! Aboutmovies 03:04, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

Congrats. A little gnome thought you might like this. ;) Katr67 03:05, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

Well deserved. Wow, you're gettin' a heapin helpin of love today, eh? Seriously though, I am very impressed with your work recently, especially on the COTW. That has been a huge success, and I hope we can keep it rolling! -Pete 06:51, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

Thanks. It's odd out here in Wikiland. Last week was trying, this week less so (though completly stress free if a certain AFD was not in progress). I'm hoping we can keep up the level, and we might even come close to my goal of 10 GA & 10 FA by the end of the year! Now if we can just get Katr to start a nice DYK type article, then that will make three. Pete, aren't you about there too with the cap passing FA?

PS, with the COI, unfortunatly I don't think the recepient cares. Aboutmovies 06:58, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

Nice to know you felt my contributions to the OSC were that helpful, I feel like I played more of a supporting role than anything else. I don't think the Columbia will be hitting GA anytime soon, too much work to be done. (Not that that's a bad thing, I think ultimately the article will be a lot better due to the feedback.) And I haven't cracked the DYK world yet, I tend to edit so incrementally that I don't often think of it. But when I expand George W. Joseph I'll think about it, I think significant expansions qualify in addition to article creation (?)

By the way, you should really try to get to a WikiWednesday sometime. They're going really well, and I'd love to see more crossover with COTW. -Pete 07:15, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

Scorpio--that explains a lot

It's my actual B-day, and you forget to use the term "Your Highness". Not that I'm letting it go to my head or anything. Aboutmovies 03:33, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

Oops. Here are some curtsies and genuflections to go with the cake, Your Excellency. FYI, I just nommed EngineerScotty too, so let me know when the duel is so I can bring the popcorn. Katr67 03:52, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

That's right, it's mine and Scotty's world, everyone else is just livin' in it! And Let them eat cake! Aboutmovies 03:59, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

Hey, I'll second that! Looks like I'm sneaking in just under the wire, too. Happy birthday! Pete 06:49, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

How many people have birthdays around now? Mine is Saturday.... —EncMstr 08:24, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

Thomas R. Cornelius

Just wanted to let you know that I really liked this article and have uploaded it to Veropedia here. If you have any other articles that you think should be uploaded there, please let me know, either on my talk page or by sending an email to us from the Contact link on our main page. Thanks. Danny 00:29, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

Coi

A most excellent point, sir. -Pete 06:48, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

Please advise Article on Mo's Restaurants

Aboutmovies,

thanks for your earlier feedback on Rogue Ales I just created an article on Mo's restaurants and it was up for about a nanosecond before being tagged as spam <wow>. Since you are also list on WP:WPOR as being a participant in Oregon business related articles I wondered if you had a moment to review this article (and advise on how to have it added to Oregon projects, I'm not sure if I just add the tag or if it needs to be done another way in fact I'm pretty confused all the way around).

thanks in advance (in Salem) Awotter 07:04, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for your help it was almost faster than the tag! I did not know about the + symbol thanks for the tip. I also added another Wiki Project tag as you advised. Will work on making the language more NPOV. I grew up an Army brat and first visited Mo's when my folks were in grad school at the U of O almost the same time when Mo's West opened at Otter Rock, they remain my favorite place to visit, so when I came across the info about Niemi researching the Rogue article I wanted to do a good article on them. BTW why are we both up so late (or early)? Awotter —Preceding comment was added at 08:21, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

Nike Vandalism

Thanks for the comment on our user talk page - I'm a student at the school in question, and staff have already dealt with it - in fact, he's in about 5th grade

Alexlmuller 14:15, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

Formatting Keeley Dorsey: Second Nomination

What is your and Katr's interest in this article? Please explain. The first nomination was close and too close to the death event. It stands to reason the article would not survive a second nomination, because Misplaced Pages is not a memorial and this article is not sufficiently sourced.

So, why not help with the formatting, if you have the best interests of fairness here?Ryoung122 07:48, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

As they say, you attract more flies with sugar than vinegar. Start behaving properly and people will be less likely to return the attacks. Not to mention the AFD will fail, you really need to read WP:BIO. Notability is not that the person scored 1 touchdown, it is they are worthy of note, and that is shown by substantial coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the source. The death there made national news, thus there will be plenty of sources to back up the notability claim. Same thing with your now desire to delete the Wood article, there are multiple, reliable sources that are independent of the subject, and more can be added if need be (what is it three newspapers and a book?). You really need to seperate the real world from Misplaced Pages when it comes to what notability is defined as. Misplaced Pages has a different standard.

As to fairness, will you appologize and retract incorrect accusations that you have made against several editors? When you do that, then, and only then can you talk about the "interests of fairness" in regards to anything related to you on Misplaced Pages. Aboutmovies 08:01, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

Comment: You misspelled 'apologize.' And I disagree with your assertion that a second AFD would fail. First off, Misplaced Pages is WP:NOT#MEMORIAL. Second, the subject is not notable 'aside from coverage of his death' which is, by definition, discountable.

In regards to Mary Ramsey Wood, it could easily be argued that the subject is a LOCALFAME person and doesn't meet the criteria for notability.

In regards to apologies, I'm still waiting for one from you regarding the Mary Ramsey Wood case, where I turned out to be correct. I also find it a 'personal vendetta' for you to chime in on my own AFD, which, though it appears to be going down this 'election cycle', I'm still only 33 and circumstances may change.

In the Keeley Dorsey dispute, I did not ask you to help; there are plenty of other editors out there. However, you chose, once again, to oppose a move I made. Not surprising.

In regards to Mary Ramsey Wood:

Look, ok, the woman was 97 or 98, her only 'claim to fame' turned out not to be true. Long-forgotten and in only local newspapers or regional books, there is a legitimate reason to believe that the article might not survive an AFD. Ryoung122 09:16, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

Robert: It's not "your" article, it's Misplaced Pages's article about you. If you can keep that in mind, I think that will help matters considerably. Regarding your threat- if you truly think the Wood article shouldn't be here, and you're not just trying to make a point, just nominate it, make your case, see where the chips fall. Nobody's stopping you. -Pete 16:53, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

RY, you didn't ask for help? Really? So what exactly is "So, why not help with the formatting" then? It has the word help in it, and its on my talk page. As to Dorsey, the coverage is not a memorial, it is about what the media believed to be a worthy topic for coverage. Again, Misplaced Pages does not equal the real world. If a topic is covered by reliable sources, at a certain depth, then they are notable for Misplaced Pages purposes and Dorsey passes that test. But, feel free to nominate it again, along with the Wood. But again, you still don't get what every editor that was involved with the Wood article gets except you (hint, hint, you might want to think about that) is that it was not how old she was (for the umpteenth time I don't care how old she was), but the method in which the information you wanted to add was presented in the article. Again as I believe a lot of other editors have told you, we have a lot of guidelines and rules for editing on Misplaced Pages, and you refuse to abide by them. As Pete said, feel free to list it for AFD, but I caution you, it is simply a waste of time the article meets WP:BIO. It doesn't matter if she was or was not 120, the fact is reliable sources covered her, thus notable. In Misplaced Pages notability does not equal fame, which it actually says that under WP:NOTE. And you seem to confuse the two. And as to local newspapers, and local books please point me to where in WP:RS it says that? Oh, wait it doesn't. Please read what Misplaced Pages has to offer in guidelines and rules, we do not simply go off of your opinion on matters such as these, we use the already developed by consensus guidelines and rules and policies. Lastly, as to the autobio on you, that's right you could at some point be notable, I never said you couldn't, in fact read through the first AFD and I said "autobiography does not meet WP:BIO. Could it? Maybe, but as it is now, it does not." and also "OK, out of all of those sources added above, only the one that is a re-print from the Atlanta Journal-Constitution qualifies as significant coverage. It is actually about Robert Young. But I don't think one is enough. Do you have more like that? Had it been an entire biography in book form, that would be enough, but not one article in the local/regional paper." So, yes if you get more coverage in reliable sources, then yes you will be notable by Misplaced Pages standards. It appears you are well known in your field, but that is not notable for Misplaced Pages. Again, real world, Misplaced Pages, two different things. Call your friends at all the newspapers who have used you as a source and have them write an article on you. Really, is it that difficult to call them and have them interview you and write a piece on you? According to you, you are world famous, so one would think they would be beating down your door to write an article on you. Once that happens I'm sure other editors would be willing write a biography on you. I would even do it, granted again you make amends where necessary as pointed out by myself and others. But until you begin editing properly, I and many editors (i.e. see all the admins at the ANI) will continually push you to edit/contribute properly. If you take that as harassment, so be it, since nobody can seem to get you to comprehend the issues. Aboutmovies (talk)

Tualatin Academy

Hiya. Someone created this as a redirect to Pacific University, which I think you'll agree wasn't necessarily the best idea, so I created a lovely, completely unreferenced but action-packed stub if you have the time and resources to do anything with it. Thanks! Katr67 (talk) 23:39, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

Yes, certainly needs it own article, I'll see what I can add, but it won't be this weekend. Horner has some info on it. Aboutmovies (talk) 23:59, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

Talk:1984 Rajneeshee bioterror attack assessment

Would you agree this is a "Mid"? I left it blank knowing you'd come along to evaluate, but the article's author has assessed it for us. Katr67 (talk) 21:29, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

Yes, mid sounds about right. National newsmaker, first bioterror attack in US, but no one died and no long term impact (other than no more Rajneeshees). Aboutmovies (talk) 01:42, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

Cool, thanks for looking. Do you think the US attorney they were plotting against needs an article? Katr67 (talk) 02:45, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

As an US attorney I don't think he would make one of the automatic inclusion criteria, so there would have to be enough news coverage about him (you know, unlike a certain old person tracker) which might be available with Time and the NYT all available online now. I'll be busy finishing collateral James Alger Fee stuff this week (the SCOTUS case, courthouse, expand the curfew violator). But after finals I might look into it. Aboutmovies (talk) 03:27, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

DYK

On 19 November, 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Albert E. Wilson, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Cheers, Daniel 11:30, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

Thanks...

for reverting the vandalism on my talk page. — Zaui (talk) 15:49, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

Sanity Check

OK, so I swear I haven't been hitting the brownies, but I also swear some of the Oregon history templates sported the color combo of History Sign Brown and Oregon Template Periwinkle. But not anymore?! I was going to suggest that those colors clashed a bit, but now I can't figure out which one(s) they were. In other news, I'll try to finish up Hillsboro, Oregon today before anybody can criticize it for any of the little fiddly stuff. Katr67 (talk) 20:17, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

I re-did the templates a month or so ago to make them collapsable, so maybe the color clash disappeared. I don't recall any periwinkle (but I'm a guy so I'm not really sure what color that really is; we know black, blue, white, gray, purple, green, yellow, brown, orange, and sometimes burgandy). Thanks for looking over H-town. I think its GA class, but every little bit helps. Aboutmovies (talk) 20:38, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

I didn't know what Periwinkle (color) was either. "Lavender" seems more precise to me. —EncMstr 20:55, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

(edit conflict) OK, I guess I'll have to be more careful where I get my coffee beans. FYI, Misplaced Pages really does have an article on everything. You're lucky you don't know about Aubergine... Katr67 (talk) 20:58, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

I figured it out, kind of. This Template:Or hist navigation is brown on top in Explorer and periwinkle in Firefox. So is this some weirdness of my settings, because I can't figure out anything from the code? Katr67 (talk) 14:59, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

OK, but it didn't USETA look like that. I just noticed this a day or two ago. It shows up perry, er, light blue in both Safari and FireFox 2 on my Mac, but all the headers used to be brown. I looked at the code, and I don't get why the headers aren't all brown…I'd fix it if I knew how. -Pete (talk) 16:42, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

I've noticed it for longer than that, but I figured that for some reason AM had wanted the top bar to match the {{Oregon}} template. Might it have something to do with our monobook settings? Katr67 (talk) 17:45, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

Brown is what I wanted, and that's how it shows up for me in IE. I have the same problem with FireFox. I tried a few things, but nothing worked. I guess I'll try to find a template wikiproject and see if they can take a look and figure it out. Aboutmovies (talk) 20:09, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Village pump (technical)? -Pete (talk) 20:34, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

I left a note on the main template's talk page and someone took care of the issue, at least for FireFox. Pete, does it look right on Safari now too? Aboutmovies (talk) 07:08, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

DYK

Did you know? was updated. On 22 November, 2007, a fact from the article Yasui v. United States, which you recently nominated, was featured in that section on the Main Page. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--Zzyzx11 (Talk) 20:18, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

Oregon History templates

Hey, how's it going? Have a look at Template talk:Or hist navigation, I was WP:BOLD, and I think the templates look better and will be easier to manage in the future. Let me know your thoughts at the talk page mentioned above. Curt Wilhelm VonSavage (talk) 11:32, 24 November 2007 (UTC).

• Okay, okay, your points are duly acknowledged. The alignment thing is not too hard to address - we can change alignment to center instead of left. As to the picture, I think that is the only option, I'm not sure, but yea, let's hear from the project folks. Curt Wilhelm VonSavage (talk) 22:47, 24 November 2007 (UTC).

About the Solomon Court House

Not something that could be added to this article, but DYK my great-grandmother was born on the block this structure now stands? P.S. 19 DYK articles in 3 months? That's more than I've achieved in as many years! -- llywrch (talk) 18:32, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

Thanks. So did that block use to be a hospital, or just a private residence where your great-grandmother was born? Aboutmovies (talk) 21:59, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

AFAIK, it was a private residence; this would have happened circa 1875. I learned this from my grandmother who a little over died 15 years ago, so I'm unable to ask her for further information. -- llywrch (talk) 21:04, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

DYK

On 27 November, 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article James Alger Fee, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Great job on the numerous DYKs! --Royalbroil 15:56, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

Interestingly...

I see we share a birthday. Just dropping by to send a note/question regarding the ongoing improvement of my first Misplaced Pages article. Are internet references the only references allowed on Misplaced Pages? The subject of my article has had plenty of publicity in the past, but most of it was in print, and I'm having trouble locating the 'big-ticket' references considered ideal with the standard search engines. As to the specific notability of a contributing party in award winning media, I would assert that music, (and sound) though not credited with top billing, is a crucial part of the entertainment and advertising industries, and worthy of notation. To overuse an example: without the music of John Williams, Jaws, Star Wars, ET and Raiders of the Lost Ark would not have been what they were. People in circles of production are most aware of the importance that musical composition and sound play in the success of a project. Since notability is subjective, and the importance of relevant references is limited to the media consumption of those making the determination, I would think that more time would be needed to allow those with access to that media to contribute to the article. A couple of weeks seems insufficient to build an article from a collective of industry insiders, such as those the subject would serve. Thank you for the interaction. I am encouraged to have well intentioned and more experienced Wikipedians helping me shape this article. Studiomanager (talk) 23:07, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

Spiffier triple crown, new awards available

Hi, I've been sprucing up the triple crown awards. Here's the new version of the standard triple crown you've already earned. Feel free to replace your old one with this if you like the new version better. I've also introduced two new triple crown awards for editors who've done a lot of triple crown work: the Napoleonic and Alexander the Great edition awards. If you're active in a WikiProject, check out the new offer for custom WikiProject triple crowns. I'll make those upon request if five or more editors qualify. See User:Durova/Triple crown winner's circle for more information. Thanks for your hard work, and cheers! Durova 22:07, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

Why thank you. Aboutmovies 06:44, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

History of the University of Oregon

I tried e-mailing Akendall and his UO e-mail bounced so I think he's not going to be helping out much any more, alas. Do you think we should go ahead and move his history prototype article to mainspace? I saw you changed something in there, and it needs a little copyediting, but do you think it's ready for prime time? He's got some other stuff, like his campus buildings template that might be handy as well... Katr67 (talk) 17:19, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

I just moved {{University of Oregon buildings}} from akendall's page into template space. If you get a second, do you think you could make it collapsible so I don't have to bother learning how to do that? :P Thanks! Katr67 (talk) 17:31, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

Done. Aboutmovies 06:44, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

Trophy

The article already does mention the size and material used...not sayin' it's a B-class article, but what are you looking for here? --Esprqii 21:37, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

Replied on the BeaverDuck trophy page. I'm wondering, am I a BeaverCat or BearBeaver? Aboutmovies 06:44, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

Beavcat? I've never been entirely clear on what a bearcat is in the first place. If I go to grad school at UW, I would be either a Dusky or a Huck... Katr67 06:53, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

A Beavercat is simply a beaver with a cat tail. It cuddles up with you and enjoys having its butt scratched for a while, but will then (when it gets bored) turn and bite you. But since it has big beaver teeth it will bite your hand clean off. Plus instead of scratching the hell out of your furniture, it chops it all down and builds a lodge in your bathtub. And talk about the litter box smell...Aboutmovies 07:02, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

Woodburn Company Stores

Thanks for cleaning up the article. As you can see from the edit history, it got messy for awhile, but I'm glad to see that you greatly improved the article. =) -- Gogo Dodo 09:13, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

Willamette Academy

Hi Aboutmovies,

I've been cleaning up the City of Salem article a bit, at one point someone just listed all the private schools in the area and it was all pretty clunky, what I'd like to do is expand the section with some notable mentions and maybe add some articles as well. WA seemed to be a good candidate, I just got started, thought I'd let you know, maybe you've got some references I haven't seen yet. No particular rush, I know you are pretty busy. Thanks, Awotter 05:53, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

Game Over

Idea for the ultimate anti-WPORE award: You Have Died of Dysentery... Katr67 00:04, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

Cool. I don't think I ever died that way, it was always the rapids on the river (or starvation). Aboutmovies 00:13, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

I never played it. I died of lots things in NetHack but never dysentery... Katr67 00:25, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

DYK nom

Did you know? was updated. On 6 December, 2007, a fact from the article Thomas A. Livesley, which you recently nominated, was featured in that section on the Main Page. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--Royalbroil 16:58, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

Something shiny

		The Exceptional Newcomer Award
		Welcome and thanks for your hard work in November. Aboutmovies 21:09, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for the shiny at-a-boy. It's always nice to have work recognized.--Orygun (talk) 19:52, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

Hillsboro

Congrats on another insta-GA. Katr67 (talk) 00:13, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, but I couldn't have done it without your copy editing help. Now on to Minoru Yasui, and then Hallie Ford MA. Aboutmovies (talk) 00:16, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

DYK

On 10 December, 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Peggy Y. Fowler, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Another one to add to your prolific resume! --Royalbroil 04:15, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

WP:ORE COTW

Have you considered using a template to update the COTW? It might save you the time of editing everyone's talk pages manually. Of course, we wouldn't get the "new messages" notification. Just a thought. Cacophony (talk) 17:24, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

There is a template with {{WikiProject Oregon COTW}}, but seeing the template type COTW in action in other projects, they tend to get buried and are ineffective. That's why I've stuck to the talk page notification with the opt out for those who get tired of the messages. Though it would be nice to get a bot to do the work. Aboutmovies (talk) 18:44, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

I'm starting to feel like Sally Field

Thanks for the COTW thumbs up. It's been fun (mostly) to delve into the inner workings of wiki and I think the Oregon project group folks are a pleasure to interact with and it's a worthy project.Awotter (talk) 08:20, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

thank you for the ga comments

Tourskin (talk) 05:30, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

Hillsbro

Hey dude, belated congrats on the Hillsboro, Oregon GA! One more notch in the guitar neck/bedpost/whatever before the end of the year, huh? Well done! You'll be sportin' a "double-triple" in no time ;) -Pete (talk) 05:56, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

Thanks. The FAs will be tough though, but I have a few picked out for next year. Maybe 1 or 2 more GAs this year. Aboutmovies (talk) 09:02, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

DYK

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Cheers, Daniel 04:33, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

DYK

On 16 December, 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article George K. Gay, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Cheers, Daniel 11:14, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

Well Done

		The 25 DYK Medal
		Congratulations! Here's a medal for you in appreciation of your hardwork in creating, expanding and nominating 25+ articles for DYK. Your nearly to 50 already, Aboutmovies ... I understand there are a few notable subjects about Oregon that still need an article (Despite your wide ranging coverage of judges, politicians, mayors and even a song called Ouregan (a spelling mistake?) I feel sure it should be "AboutOregon" and not aboutmovies ... but well done neverthelessVictuallers (talk) 09:48, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

Did you know that one other DYK contributor was so keen to get a medal that he stubbed his toe?

Re: Meier & Frank

I have an automated tool that chases my deletions around and removed backlinks to deleted pages and images. If in the rare instance a mistake is made, it's trivial for me to revert myself, as I've already done. :-) east.718 at 03:01, December 18, 2007

Thanks. Aboutmovies (talk) 19:05, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

Evan Montvel Cohen

Don't ask me how I got involved in this article, but you could take a look and maybe weigh in on the talk page? I know hardcore BLPers feel justified removing anything that is unsourced, but I feel that if the info is uncontroversial, it's not the end of the world if the article is tagged for refs. The current version has returned the article to a particular POV--see discussion on talk page. Originally the article was more balanced and properly wikified (if unsourced), but it was sanitized at some point and now it appears to have swung the other way. I never heard of the guy until some related Guam guy with Oregon connections showed up on the watchlist and I looked at the users contribs. Perhaps he is not exactly a great role model but it seems like the guy's bio should include more than the scandal. Only if you have time, but I know you follow the BIO stuff more than I do. It shouldn't be too hard to dig up the refs, I'll see if I can get to it one of the days; don't hold your breath, but I doubt the folks who want to remove the pro-to-neutral stuff will do it either. Thanks. Katr67 (talk) 03:31, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

I will get to it, but probably not today (tomorrow though). Aboutmovies (talk) 19:06, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

Oregon Garden

Thanks for the finding and fixing my wikibug in Oregon Garden. I'd spent way too long, and apparently stayed up way too late to see it. Thanks! —EncMstr 19:12, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

No problem, and thanks for all your work on the article. It looks a whole lot better. Aboutmovies (talk) 21:21, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

Please remove me from notice list

I am back at school and very busy, so I don't really have time to contribute to any Oregon related articles, or any articles for that matter. So, I was wondering if I could perhaps be removed from the list of people who receive weekly notices on what is being worked on in the Oregon projects. Thanks. -- Andrew Parodi (talk) 01:51, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

DYK

On 21 December, 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Hallie Ford, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--Royalbroil 14:30, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

WP:WQA#Non article related editor issues on article talk pages

The actual message is there, so I won't insult you be repeating it here. Anynobody 02:26, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

Hi Aboutmovies - I'm coming here from the above-noted WQA alert. While I don't take any position in the disputes the two of you are having about policy and content, I do think that citing Anynobody's past blocks for edit warring (for example) in such a way as to undermine his claims about biographical policy is a little ad hominum. It really isn't relevant, and I'd just like remind you to try to keep discussion focussed on issues rather than on the users making the argument. Sarcasticidealist (talk) 05:42, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

I have to disagree. We are having a discussion about interpretation of policy, and being blocked shows a lack of understanding of policies in my opinion, as would the other items I brought up. The discussion has been about the NPOV policy, and a bit removed from the article itself, but Anynobody wants to talk policy, so we are talking policy. I disagree with the post he made to WQA, as this has not gotten into personal attacks and there has not been name calling. Heated, yes, but no policies have been violated. Note that I have attacked their edits, and not them. Aboutmovies (talk) 05:54, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

Well, perhaps all we can do is agree to disagree, but I hope you'll reconsider your point of view on this. First of all, edit-warring doesn't necessarily indicate a lack of understanding of policy; it could easily indicate simple hot-headedness. Second, the blocks were in the past, and are not necessarily a reflection of User:Anynobody's current understanding of policy. I'd encourage you to make your case on the basis of the policy itself, and not on the basis of undermining your fellow editor's credibility. If the impasse continues, bring some new editors in via WP:RFC.

Obviously these are just my suggestions, and how you proceed is up to you. Sarcasticidealist (talk) 20:18, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

I am going to concur with SI here. Users on countless occasions have been "wrong" about policy, and have gone on to be "right" much more frequently in the future. Regardless of a user's past history, their good-faith contributions are always just as valuable as those of others. If you want to have a policy discussion, debate, or argument with someone, you're going to have to "win" the "argument" on the merits of your position, not by attacking the other user's reputation or past. Most users who make mistakes learn from them, and their past mistakes or misunderstandings of policy (which are only arguably relevant) do not preclude their ability to contribute positively or to be "right" in a dispute or anything of the sort. --Cheeser1 (talk) 21:05, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

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