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Y.T. vs Y.S.

The realms are all listed as founded in Y.T. #; in some cases it should obviously be Y.S., but I'm not sure of all of them. —Tamfang 20:43, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

I think nearly all of the listed realms were founded at the beginning of the Years of the Sun, except for Doriath and Angband; so I have changed it --Galadh 08:17, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

notability

have provided notability and refs.Tttom1 02:12, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

It's a good start, but we'll probably need more than a few references from book reviews to firmly establish independent notability. —Mirlen 01:16, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

Be my guest.Tttom1 01:31, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

Regions and realms

In light of the recent discussion over at WP:TOLKIEN, we should compile a list of regions to merge within the list, Minor places in Beleriand. We could start off with merging some of the realms within the list. Also, I think we should create a seperate section discussing the prominent regions of Beleriand (i.e. some of its realms), but link back to those who can sustain seperate articles in the article. —Mirlen 01:15, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

in out universe

Misplaced Pages:Manual of Style (writing about fiction) "Please note that this page is a guideline, not policy, and it should be approached with common sense and the occasional exception. However, following the basic notions laid out in this guideline is generally a good way to improve articles on fictional topics". "The rule of thumb is to use as much secondary information as necessary and useful to give the article a real world perspective, not more and not less.""As the Misplaced Pages servers are located in the U.S. state of Florida, Misplaced Pages articles must conform to U.S. copyright laws. It has been held in a number of court cases that any work which re-tells original ideas from a fictional source, in sufficient quantity without adding information about that work, or in some way analysing and explaining it, may be construed as a derivative work or a copyright violation."Tttom1 (talk) 03:42, 23 December 2007 (UTC)

Please feel free to Be Bold — to quote, "How many times have you read something and thought, 'Why aren't these pages copy-edited?' Misplaced Pages not only allows you to add to, revise, and edit the article — it wants you to do it." It is the nature of Misplaced Pages for somebody to implement any changes he or she might seek. We could always use fresh eyes to make valuable edits; that's why we try to encourage and recruit more editors to be bold, instead of having edits limited to the same batch of editors. —Mirlen 05:58, 23 December 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, but why is a certain admin not bold enough to edit an article she doesn't like herself instead of tagging it and commanding others to do the work for her? Cush (talk) 09:35, 23 December 2007 (UTC)

Sigh. A tag such as {{inuniverse}} isn't a command, it's a request, and it can be added by any editor. The reason I added the tag rather than rewriting the article is that I lack the expertise in the subject to rewrite it; the tag identifies the article for the benefit of those who do have the necessary expertise.

The edits by Tttom1 have improved it, but the article is still primarily a selective plot summary (see WP:PLOT) rather than an analysis of the subject or of its relevance to the real world. There is, for example, no discussion of third-party commentaries or criticism. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 11:09, 23 December 2007 (UTC)

If you lack expertise, why don't you just leave the article alone, or for that matter all Tolkien-related articles? Instead of constantly criticizing by tagging articles you should contribute something substantial, and if you are unwilling or unable to then just remain quiet. We've already been through this. I do think Misplaced Pages would be better off without you and your intrusive, bossy, dismissive, demanding, pedantic attitude and your little private crusade against this fantasy literature. Just let the other admins who are involved in the Middle-earth WikiProject handle this and back off. Cush (talk) 11:39, 23 December 2007 (UTC)

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