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Feel free to educate me by pointing any errors I make, or by offering other points of view. This is a great way for me to expand my knowledge and I appreciate your help.

Malcolm in the Middle

Jim,

Please review your edit of Malcolm in the Middle. I do not pretend to know Wikki speak but I believe the article was better before. As an example, the last sentence in Victor & Ida is incomplete. Can you undo this or was it intentional? It could be part of the process.

I was a fan and wrote a few sentences of the article so I check it occasionally.

Best regards,

wsb@austin.rr.com Bill

Bill, thanks for raising this question, however, I don't think these mods were mine. The changes I made on 25 July 2006 were simple paragraph reformatting. But as I look at the revision history I see what you mean. These changes were unintentional and happened either because of a technical issue or my complete incompetence. ;-) I see someone has been good enough to revert back to the original version, so we're all set. In the future, I think I'll also do a version comparison in addition to the simple preview. Thanks.

Jim Dunning 18:23, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

Watership Down

Hi, your edit to Watership Down has been reverted. If you're using Firefox together with Google Toolbar, you may find that long pages are cut off unexpectedly while editing in tabs; please be careful. --Kjoonlee 11:52, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

your question at helpdesk

Hi, if you want to include a template in an article, place {{Infobox Town NY}} at the appropriate section -- -- Lost 17:35, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

Infobox Town NY

I have edited this infobox in order to make room for your map. I have added your template to Brookhaven, New York, you can look for yourself. If you have any questions or comments leave me a message. --Zimbabweed 07:32, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

Thanks so much for helping out in Williamson, NY, as well as other New York articles. Stepp-Wulf 01:02, 27 August 2006 (UTC).

I will look into your recent inquiry regarding the red dot in IE. However, it may take a while, but I will get back to you before the day is over about it. --Zimbabweed 15:31, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

Okay, it seems Internet Explorer can't handle (or at least doesn't in v6 as I'm using, I normally use Firefox, I haven't used IE in quite some time) PNG images, so I have changed the red dot image in the template (Image:GBRedDot.png) to a JPG (Image:Red-dot3.jpg) in Template:GBNewYorkState. (I hope the creator of that template won't get too upset). It should be working now, if it doesn't let me know.--Zimbabweed 23:58, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

I don't know if you're watching my talk page, so I'll respond here. A very quick Misplaced Pages search :) found me this: PNG#Internet Explorer incompatibility. That should answer your inquiries. Sorry I hadn't responded yesterday like I had said, but things had piled up around here. If you have any more questions, don't be afraid. --Zimbabweed 00:02, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

Thanks!

Thanks for your message. I hadn't intended to get so involved in the article, but once I got there, it turned out the page needed much babysitting. How exciting that your son worked on the film – he must have lots of inside anecdotes, AKA "original research." Cognita 02:59, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

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69.119.119.178 (talk · contribs · logs · block user · block log)

I haven't looked into it, but if your observations are correct, it borders on vandalism. You may want to start at WP:AN/I, find the appropriate link or page in the header and make a report. My guess is that there is an admin already familiar with this user, if it has a history of disruptive behavior. You may get a faster response if you track down the original blocking admin. Looking at the log, you might be better off making a report at WP:AIAV. —Viriditas | Talk 04:27, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

See also WP:TT for future ref. I just placed a warning on the anon's talk page for his edits to Zach Tyler Eisen, using the "verror" template. If the anon vandalizes again in the same manner, use that in sequential order to justify a block. —Viriditas | Talk 07:06, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

Jim, I posted again at http://en.wikipedia.org/User_talk:Sarah_Ewart ; please check this if the page isn't already on your watchlist.

Viriditas, we think the vandal is Zach. Cognita 08:05, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

Jim, see my comments here about using Sarah's talk page. —Viriditas | Talk 20:42, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

Hey Jim, sorry for the delay replying. I've extended the block on that IP to 6 months. I don't really want to go longer than that since IPs can be reassigned. We can always re-block in another 6 months if necessary. Sarah Ewart 03:14, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

Subpages

See WP:SP. Easiest way to remember it is wikify, forward slash, foo: /Foo. —Viriditas | Talk 07:40, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

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BRHS Revamp

Hi. I had a look at BRHS Revamp. I assume this is intended as a new version for Broad Run High School or something. I would propose to userfy (move) this to User:JimDunning/BRHS Revamp (or the like). Better not in main space. Merry x-mas! --Ligulem 13:53, 25 December 2006 (UTC)

I've moved it to User:JimDunning/BRHS Revamp and deleted the remaining redirect. --Ligulem 14:56, 25 December 2006 (UTC)

Deleting pages

To have a page under your userspace deleted, blank it and put {{db-user}} onto it. An admin will then delete it. Or you can ask an admin directly. --Ligulem 15:05, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

License tagging for Image:Loudoun Seal.jpg

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Demographic Information of schools

Enrollment information can be found at this site. It goes back to the 1995-1996 school year. Schools are broken down by grade and ethnicity.

Some exceptions will exist here however, including on BR or any Loudoun school. I used to have a list showing enrollment at schools in fast growing school districts throughout a school year (including Loudoun County), but I lost it now. I used it for a senior thesis while I was in college. This would explain why BR had 1,670 students in 1999-2000 rather than 1,650 or so. Schools can grow by almost 100 people during the course of a school year if in a very high growth area (which can explain why Briar Woods and Freedom are growing faster than enrollment indicators suggest; Broad Run and Stone Bridge have settled out for the most part now).

Another thing you may notice if you look at the racial breakdown is that there are categories for Native Americans, Hawaiians, and "Unspecified/Other." I rounded out the percentages of Whites, Hispanics, Blacks and Asians to the nearest whole number, and though I don't want to sound politically incorrect, most schools in Virginia are under 1% Native American, but I would say a school is 1% Native American if there were a sufficient amount of people, at least for the purposes of Misplaced Pages. Next, you may notice that the percentage of Whites is higher than the Virginia Dept of Education suggests in some schools. This is because the "unspecified" students are assumed to be White, and this was the advice I was told to take from my professor when doing my thesis to count "unspecified people." Hope this helps. 20176 00:34, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Broad Run High School

The article Broad Run High School you nominated as a good article has passed , see Talk:Broad Run High School for eventual comments about the article. Good luck in future nominations. Appraiser 16:36, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

You're welcome again. A lot of people misunderstand the best way to use the thumbnail feature (you're not alone). If you click on "my preferences" at the top of your screen and then "Files", you'll see your default thumbnail size. Whenever an author didn't specify a thumbnail size, when you view the article, the width of the thumbnails will be equal to your selection. This is useful so that users with a 600 pixel screen don't have to see the same size pictures as users with a 1600 pixel screen. I've been in discussions with people who like the layout of an article with certain picture sizes, but the layout looks completely different on a smaller screen. It's really fruitless to try to control layout that way. Some people even read Misplaced Pages on a PDA. For that reason, I've advocated creating a new user preference option of 0px (no pictures), but that hasn't yet been implemented. There's some discussion about this topic here.

I hope you don't mind that I edited your picture. I self-nominated a picture of my own for Featured Picture a while ago - and it failed the process miserably. One of the criticisms was that it was tilted. When I used my picture editor to fix it, I saw that they were correct - it was 1/2 degree off of true vertical, which I could barely perceive by looking at it.

Good job with all the references. I need to do work like that on my failed GA nominee, Saint Paul, Minnesota. But today, I'll be working on 110th United States Congress freshman class. I'm planning to nominate it for DYK, since it's brand new.--Appraiser 14:47, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

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The Prestige: current talk page?

Jim, thanks for archiving that discussion page. I don't know how to do such things myself. But if that page has slipped into the past to become Archive 2, where's the current discussion page? When I click on Discussion, I get Archive 2. Cognita 01:34, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

Cognita, Mmmm . . . when I click on Discussion I get the current Talk page, so it appears to be where it's supposed to be. Weird. I'll check this out some more.

Jim Dunning 02:35, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

Okay, I think I was misled before because some previous topics remain on the current disc. page – you split the old page at some date in December instead of archiving everything up to the present.

About not being able to edit the article or its disc. page, I don't know what's wrong. I may have mentioned earlier that my tech skills are pretty much limited to safe operation of a refrigerator magnet. All I can think of is that you might try a different browser. Cognita 06:56, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure Viriditas made the first archive. He seems to have wandered off since, though. Cognita 18:43, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

Jim, I don't see a need for a "differences" section. I haven't tossed my two cents on the table because I see no way to resolve the disagreement. There's no real governance structure here; for instance, majority rule doesn't carry a decision. Trying to act as a page guardian on this or any article frustrates me. People keep coming along and messing something up. Cognita 01:40, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

Do you think it would help if I posted my opinion on the discussion page or on his page, arguing against the new section? Cognita 06:53, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

It didn't seem to me that UNoHoo accepted anything I said. He just argued against each point. On another forum, I recently saw a discussion of the phrase "selling a salami one slice at a time," which sounds like the situation here, only in reverse. Do you really think we can discard successive slices of salami until it's all gone without attracting notice? And what if he finds these talk pages?

Why not suggest on Prestige:Talk that Adaptation is the natural place for such information? Cognita 01:24, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

WikiProject Schools Sidebar

Thanks! I'm glad you like it. Were you asking about the statistics table? It's automatically updated by a bot run by the Misplaced Pages:Version 1.0 Editorial Team for any articles listed with {{WPSchool}}. As far as updating the Things you can do list, I'm about to transfer that into a called "Template:WikiProject Schools tasks" for easier access --Jh12 06:42, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

Your libertarian opinions

Wow, a double 100! I'd like to hear your opinions on a couple of questions which I disagreed or answered maybe:

1. "Replace government welfare with private charity"
2. "There should be no National ID card"
3. "Repeal laws prohibiting adult possession and use of drugs"

A fellow libertarian, Λυδαcιτγ 05:25, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

P.S. I don't know if you mean for your blue outline div to only extend partway down the page. If you want it to automatically envelop new sections, you can remove the:

</div>

Λυδαcιτγ 05:29, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

Stowe middle school

In case you need this: User:Jh12/Stowe middle school. Thanks! --Jh12 10:54, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

Article restart

To tell the truth, I'm not really familiar with the rules or traditions associated with restarting articles. I know that if you simply replace the article, there is a pretty strong tendency to delete it; someone might even speedy delete it as a recreated article. If you add significant new information to the article (and say so on the talk page), then I think it would be given a fair chance. Personally (speaking of course as the person who AFDed the articles) I would recommend against recreating the articles; unless there is something special to say about the school, middle school articles tend to get deleted at AFD. (Several other mass AFDs that I just did failed, but the admin who closed them was a notorious inclusionist, and I will probably send one of those sets to "Deletion Review".) I think there are many other things to be done on Misplaced Pages other than creating articles on local schools that aren't really wanted. --Brianyoumans 05:25, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

I'm just as unfamiliar with restarting an article as Brianyoumans would be. However if I had to guess, the article is going to have to be "notable", and needs to be backed up with references, etc. There should also be an admin from our area who would look primarily at Virginia related articles, and a couple guys have tried to do this. This is a double edged sword however, because if this admin is like Brian, a lot more articles can be deleted, but if the guy is an "inclusionist," then they are more likely to be protected, if you want to call it that way. I find it surprising that LCPS middle school pages are merged or deleted, while Fairfax ones got to stay (different admin oversaw those pages). I also helped get a wikipedia page of all VHSL districts and regions, many which barely state its name and members, and these empty pages are located mostly in Southwest VA too. It would help if someone familiar with that area started chipping in, but it's kind of luck of the draw too. But as I said earlier, if we were to restart any middle school in Loudoun, notability will be important, and/or references. Though a page can't be deleted for notability alone, that still will make or break a page in the eyes of somebody who will delete a page because he/she doesn't see anything notable, etc.20176 00:42, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

Re: Prestige

No, it was my mistake. WikiNew 17:49, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

Yes, I'm definitely willing to help out. FYI...we don't need peer review for GA, but we do need it for FA. You must be very proud of your son. —Viriditas | Talk 00:53, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

I tinkered with the lead. Details are in your sandbox; good use of a resource there. I'm too busy saving other parts of the world (adminning other forums and dealing with local justice issue) to put in much time on this one; haven't looked at the main article lately. Is there a deadline? Cognita 07:09, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

Jim, people are constantly making changes to the page, including the Plot section that Viriditas and I once devoted much effort to getting into shape. What can a GA nomination accomplish if the article changes all the time? I'm still too busy with other projects to help much. Cognita 19:24, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

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The Prestige (film)

I've been helping out for the articles GA nomination, and a quick question over images. Which of these two do you helps supplement more regarding Angiers suicidal scheme?

http://uk.rottentomatoes.com/m/prestige/gallery.php?page=36&size=lores&nopop=1

http://uk.rottentomatoes.com/m/prestige/gallery.php?page=4&size=lores

WikiNew 19:12, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

OK. As for IPs just wanting to make a contribution when it's not needed, I would consider it something more experienced users would simply undo. Things like that and vandalism isn't under the stability criteria: something like changing the structure of the article completely is a problem. Overall, it's up to the GA judge to decide. WikiNew 20:36, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of The Prestige (film)

The article The Prestige (film) you nominated as a good article has passed , see Talk:The Prestige (film) for eventual comments about the article. Good luck in future nominations. Mr.Z-mantalk¢Review! 01:04, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

		The Original Barnstar
		I award you, JimDunning, this barnstar for your all of work in making Misplaced Pages articles better. After getting 2 good articles to your name, I believe that you deserve this as thanks for making Misplaced Pages a better place. Mr.Z-mantalk¢Review! 01:10, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

Woo! We did it! WikiNew 17:00, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for making me a star

Jim, thanks for that nice blue star you dropped onto my page. It was unexpected; I didn't know that work on just one article brought barnstars. In fact, I know little about them at all. I kind of thought only admins could dispense them.

Viriditas should get one if I should. He put a lot of work into Plot. For a while, we e-mailed drafts back and forth to improve that section.

And you should get one too – which you did. Congratulations on it! Cognita 05:28, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

Congrats to you both, and thanks for the star. —Viriditas | Talk 11:16, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

If you happen to know...

Last November, I posted a film-related question on an article. No answer yet. Your user page says you're interested in film. Do you happen to know of a reference to support the statement that many Westerns have been shot on location in Columbia, California? I know the statement is true (one of the times I went there as a child, they were shooting Bullwhip and I got Rhonda Fleming's autograph). I just don't know how to support it. Cognita 06:15, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

New lead

I like what you've done with the new lead for Children of Men, but we've had problems with unsourced leads in the past; some editors (not you) see this as an opportunity to add original research, not comprehending that the lead is summarizing the body of the article. To prevent that from happening again (and again) we should cite sources in the lead section. —Viriditas | Talk 21:09, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

Battlefield HS Advice Taken

Jim:

Thanks for your outstanding and constructive suggestions for improving the Battlefield High School article. I genuinely appreciate the effort you put into the review and for giving such clear indications for how to improve it!

Bhs itrt 18:04, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

Edit: And thanks for the AWESOME help with the references and citations! Bhs itrt 16:25, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

User:DJvac

Since he's been doing the same thing to the Tops article, I've requested page protection as I just went to the fourth revert.

He won't discuss this. I am also taking this to WP:AN/I. I hope he gets blocked. I consider further additions of this content to be vandalism.

I strongly suggest that if he continues, you request page protection for the Wegmans article as well. Daniel Case 02:07, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

UPDATE: After I took this to AN/I, an admin there blocked him for 48 hours. Daniel Case 04:07, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

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R. Madhavan revert

You said: "Yamla, I see you reverted a name change in the Infobox for R. Madhavan from Madhavan to Maddyhavan. I reverted that since I couldn't find any reference to Maddyhavan anywhere, thinking you were either wrong or vandalizing. However, after reviewing your contribs and user page and that of FA Maker I'm obviously more suspicious of him (although the Madhavan info seems fine). Could you fill me in on the situation, please? Thank you."

Sorry, I should have used an edit summary. I reverted an edit made by a banned sockpuppet under the theory of WP:DENY. Please feel free to redo that edit, but note that you will then be "owning" it. For example, if I reverted an edit which inserted libel and then you redo the edit, you would then be responsible for the libel, not the banned user who originally made the edit. I seriously doubt that's the case here, mind you. Please feel free to contact me again if you want any more information. --Yamla 15:51, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

You said: "So, if I understand this, you reverted the edit even though it appears to be a valid correction just to deny recognition to the suspected sockpuppet? I have no problem making the subsequent correction, but I should not revert, just make the correction as if the sockpuppet's edit never occurred, correct? Thanks for the education."

Exactly correct all around, yes. I mean, it's hardly like anyone would mind if you just reverted, but yes, the correct course of action is for you to go ahead and make the edit as though the sockpuppet's edit never occurred. Have a good day! --Yamla 20:14, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

Children of Men

All right, fair enough. I very much appreciate your eloquence in dealing w/the NPOV situation. Yes, the critical response has been overwhelmingly positive, as well it should be. Children of Men is one of the best sci-fi movies I've ever seen.C1k3 05:16, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

Last Mimzy

Thanks for saving my comments in the talk section. Not really sure what to do next. The article is woefully inadequate as-is. Much of the critical information about the movie's plot is left out in the current version.

I understand the desire to get "to the point" as it were. But I often find that many books and tv show articles that I've worked on have literally tens if not hundreds of pages of text. I'd be interested in giving it another shot if you could provide some more specific feedback of what you'd like to see on that page - and perhaps an example of a good film article that I could base this on.

Thanks.Jpittman 19:39, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

mimzy

I've taken another shot. Let me know what you think. I arranged the information into chronological order, but I had a tough time removing much. I freely admit that it is a bit long. Major themes in the movie include (family relationships including trust, spiritual/ecological/science conflicts, as well as journey theme). I really feel like you need almost all of this information to capture all of these elements. But, please, go nuts. I figure you can be more objective than I can since I was smitten with the movie. Cheers. Jpittman 15:03, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

List-to-prose tag removed from The Prestige (film)

Nope, I was just trying to clear up a debate. Glad everything worked out :) --gren グレン 15:52, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

Hmmmm

Interesting comments, . but sensitive contributors could find offence even though on another users talk page page, please see Misplaced Pages:Civility. Besides, if forced to choose, I'd like to think of myself more as a B.A.. Cheers ;-) Deon Steyn 13:26, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

Sivaji: The Boss

Heya Jimmy,

• Can you do me a favour by reviewing and peer reviewing and eventually rating the Sivaji: The Boss article.

Many Cheers, Thanks,

G Ganesh 18:32, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

The Ultimate Gift

Since you have edited this article previously, I wondered if I could impose on you to give your two cents in a small, really not a big edit war that started. User:Bbagot deleted all of the reviews for this movie yesterday. I requested dialog and we proceded amicably. I took his suggestions to shorten the length of the section, put into prose. I, in good faith, kept his desire to include IMDB user ratings, but with a qualification plus kept a positive review from a non-movie reviewer from Fobes. He reverted back to the laundry list of reviews, noting in the change log that he felt this gave more balance. I invited him for further discussion. After 20 hours of no word, I put back my rewrite. He reverted again and now I've made him angry. I know this is so much about so little but if you have a sec, I would appreciate a second voice in this matter. If you feel that I am in the wrong, then feel free to express that. User_talk:Bbagot does have a history of edit wars. I avoid them like the plague. Thanks. Therefore 23:50, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

I appreciate that. If you check out (not the whole page, but towards the bottom) of Talk:Heather Wilson I think you will see that I try to keep a cool, level head. I mention this only because my contributions list is now flooded with my sandbox work on a article for David E. Kelley. Thanks! Therefore 04:12, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

Hey -- I think we're going to resolve this on our own. He's a little hot headed, but does make positive contributions and is compromising. I appreciate your offer. At least I'm done with the David E. Kelley work. I'm exhausted. <wink> Therefore 19:28, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

Re: The Prestige

I'm not sure; I looked in the Response section, but there were no other awards and nominations listed for The Prestige. If the Oscar nominations are the only major instances of recognition that the film received, then the end-of-lead mention would be fine. I guess it's my impression that the first sentence should be purely descriptive, even for films that won Oscars for Best Picture. That win can definitely be mentioned later in the lead, but I guess nominations in the other categories don't stand out as much. —Erik (talk • contrib • review) - 12:57, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

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May 2007 Re: The Prestige (novel)

Hi, Jim. I guess you took issue with the alternate interpretation, that the prestige materials were not lifeless shells. Would it be more acceptable if I supported the interpretation with page references or quotes from the novel? It may seem a trivial point, but in fact the realization that the prestige materials are not "lifeless" is really the clincher to the whole book. Without this insight, the ending does seem inappropriately abrupt, which as I'm sure you are aware is an common complaint in reviews of The Prestige. Sirjaguar 18:05, 13 May 2007 (UTC) Lawson Reilly

May 2007

Tx for ur suggestions :) Will take care of it. And can u do anythin to stop good faith edits like these :? http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Sivakasi_%28film%29&action=history http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Thirupaachi&action=history http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Pokkiri&action=history Srinath2k1

180 px

Sorry, I'm having trouble seeing the images at that resolution. I probably shouldn't have changed it. —Viriditas | Talk 01:17, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

Revert war continues

User:Srinath2k1 has begun revert warring here, here, here.

This account is being used only for this purpose. What action should be taken? Anwar 17:22, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

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Thanks for advice, but...

Who will make decision about slavian barbarians trying to destroy the article Red army crimes in Lithuania? This is only knowlidge (zero emotions) - only historical facts and wikipedia is collection of knowlidge and facts, but some nationalist from slavian countries are going to destroy facts and to hide real history of Red army - so they are according to the rules of wiki real barbarians and vandals who supports criminal activities. This is very nice case for the court! What does it mean tag - This article or section needs copy editing for grammar, style, cohesion, tone and/or spelling? Is it in bad English? USA never recognised ocupation of Lithuania by Red army in 1940.

Ttturbo 18:55, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

The real battle started. I/ve created category Red Army crimes Yeasterday night u helped. Thanks.

Ttturbo 09:22, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

Could You imagine what is seeable for me, when I looking at my talk page, and for You?Ttturbo 09:02, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

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Lithuania

http://lt.wikibooks.org/Lietuvos_Wikipedijos_istorija_-_triumvirato_diktatūra

http://lt.wikibooks.org/Lietuvos_Wikipedijos_istorija_-_neteisėti_adminstratorių_veiksmai 66.171.224.214 18:35, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

Ttturbo, mindset and goals.

Thanks for pointing that passage out, for although I follow the page, I missed that. Due to the complete mess that his page is in now, of course.

I agree with your suggestion of not addressing him personally anymore - e.g. contrary to what I had just decided for myself, I will not warn him. Though I will continue to vote in articles for deletion. If everybody in those same articles refrains from answering his comment, there will be no threaded comment either, and no need to restructure things - an added bonus. --Pan Gerwazy 00:14, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

I do not know what to do either. I had just advised at the Russian portal to do the same as I. I warned User:GDonato, since he issued a warning when he last put it up on his user page. I think he is not an administrator, however. I suppose if the disruption continues, this must go to Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents‎. Everybody is trying to avoid that, because he still more or less behaves like a newbie. And we do not bite newbies.--Pan Gerwazy 01:02, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

Actually, it was a good thing to put that warning at the Russian incident portal. User:IgorSF pointed out to me that our friend got banned at Lithuanian Misplaced Pages for a year. There is also evidence on Talk:Red_army_crimes_in_Lithuania --Pan Gerwazy 10:12, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

This user has been indef. blocked, temporarily. I am glad that you kept a cool head, Jim. On IRC, the bot was running like crazy for an hour in order to help this user. Miranda 12:16, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

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User:Ttturbo

You are, of course, quite right, and I see in his talk page that you have tried hard with him - much harder than I have. I was reluctant to apply my professional skills to use words implying psychiatric states, and perhaps will not do so now; but I agree that further engagement is pointless. I was, as you were, just trying to help him. --Anthony.bradbury 21:12, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

Internet is the great network of powerfull computers - "servers", connected to lots of personal and to other "servers" having necessary software for correct information interchange. Information interchage is performing using information packages. Servers and even PC usually has their own security codes. Hackers sometimes are lucky to break those codes and makes troubles even for Pentagon or Estonian sites - Estonia suffered russian hackers attack on April- May this year and there was discussion in NATO how to evaluate these attacks. There is possible even some foolishment by professional hackers intercepting at server some packages of comunication, changing their content and trying to make a quarrel among different users. You honourable proffessr of medicine, having NO UNDERSANTING or becouse of the other reasons wrote this - I was reluctant to apply my professional skills to use words implying psychiatric states, and perhaps will not do so now; but I agree that further engagement is pointless. - used your proffesional skills for accusement of wiki user Ttturbo who published lots of materials about Red Army crimes (now he is blocked forever and his articles destroyed by slavian and prorussian users and admins.}. Please, read more about internet, study situation - hacking in the russian style was detected on Lithuania wiki pages too.

Russian diplomacy

I am Lithuanian patriot, so I wuold like to discuss some Russian diplomacy. It is well known, that after second world war they sent some falsificated letters tryimg to make a quarell among western European leaders. I'll be not surprised if something simmilar appeared during negotians of user Ttturbo and Jim Dunning despite they are not high rank leaders of any country. Studying their conversation and editting I've noticed this: 1. Tturbo asked for an editing help at a help desk. 2. Jim Dunning editted his article Red Army crimes in Lithuania presenting it like a list of facts used in Ttturbo written article. Ttturbo was glad and thanked but continued o ask for help later becouse of redirection problems. 3. Miranda disrupted his askings aqqussing in some advertising. 4 Admin Jersey Devil warned Tttubo and blocked Tturbo later for 31 hour. 5. According to his story, Tturbo wrote the answer explaining his newcomer's problems and noticed devil's answer that wikipedia isn't a collection of lists noticed. 6 Later he have seen that this answer occured to be signed by...Jim Dunning who made the day before the list from his article and those transformations didn't left the trace on the history. 7. Tturbo mentioned this history on the talk page, but there was no any reaction at illegal jeering. 8. Ttturbo have wrote the articel abour hackedwikipage but it was speedy deleted. Admin Wimt appologised after some explanations and said that let the other more experienced in such tricks makes decision. 9. The renrwed article about wikihacking was speedy deleted again involving You Tony too! Unbelievable story but sometimes this happens! 10. Next Tturbo published the new article about Misplaced Pages hacking stressing some strange hacking of wikipedia on Nowember 2006m which was fixed, but for unknown reasons occuared in the archives and made some infection. This one was speedy deleted too (Miranda and others). 11. After sharp Mirandas and Mikalaj personal attacks (seems like provocations) Ttturbo was blocked indefinetely by Moreschi trusting tto the other opinions but not verifying the facts, allowing Tturbo only to talk. 12. The new accusements and adwices for blocked Tturbo occuared again on his talk page. Possibly, this is an example how russian diplomacy works against Lithuanian. 78.62.20.125 21:21, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

Honourable Jimmy, what is Your opinion about this. Would You please contact FBI? 78.62.20.125 16:49, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

Don't feed the trolls. Miranda 18:42, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

I had the same Lithuanian Patriot, or at least the same IP, on my talk-page. I told him to go away, although not reacting at all might have been better. But, as you say, the fingers itch if witheld from the keyboard. It would be wholly inappropriate for me, having been involved in conversation ,to either warn or block, but if you feel that this constitutes vandalism WP:AIV is available. Or WP:AN/I. --Anthony.bradbury 21:21, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

Barnstar

Order of the Flaming Hellpot I, Miranda award JimDunning with the Order of the Flaming Hellpot for maintaining his composure with a disruptive user.

Miranda 18:44, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

Grutter...

I've taken the liberty to speedy-close this alleged copyvio case. No need to fill the backlog of copyvio reports with it. Hope you don't mind. Lupo 15:33, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

Re: "What steps do you take to expedite?" — I already did so: and . Lupo 15:42, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

American films

Please please!!! help fill in List of American films. Even if it is just a few details it all helps -any contribution you can make will be more than appreciated!! ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ 17:20, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

Barbaro

It's all part of a hoax involving The Sacred Order of Skull and Crescent, The Pugilist Club and List of collegiate secret societies. It all started with List of collegiate secret societies, which contained tons of red and black links, and links to pages which had the same name as, but were not about, secret societies, all with no references. I went in and deleted all of the unreferenced entries, and a fire storm and edit war began. So I put them all back, tagged all of them for citation needed, and said that I was going to re-delete all of them by August 1 if there were no references. I've been getting tons of abuse from anon editors, particularly one from Wesleyan University who says that WP:V doesn't require sources, bizarrely enough. Then all of a sudden, a new user wrote about the Sacred Order of Skull and Crescent on the List of collegiate secret societies page, and added a new entry for that and for The Pugilist Club, both supposedly at Purdue University. The Skull and Crescent article had references to somebody's papers which are not in general circulation, so I asked on the article's Talk page if those papers actually referenced the club, and was assured that they do. Then yesterday, User:Deor alerted me to the Barbaro family article and The Pugilist Club, which I didn't know anything about. All three articles written by the same newbie, all citing the same references. Google, Google news and Google books searches turned up nothing about any of the supposed unavailable sources, nor about the Skull and Crescent or the Pugilist Club. I went on the Talk page at Barbaro family and indicated that it looked like a great deal of it was a hoax, from the same made up sources as the two secret society pages. Just a cursory glance showed that "V. Barbaro" supposedly founded the Pugilist Club at Purdue in 1991, and that both of the secret societies are supposedly related to Project Blue Book, even though that program was suspended in 1969. The newbie user went on a tirade, swearing and abusing on one of the AfD pages, and User:Deor deleted all of the unsourced edits by User:Tiki-two, the newbie, on the Barbaro page. Tiki-two reverted, I reverted him once and explained that the sources are suspect. I see in the article's history that he and his anon, User:4.142.114.3 have been edit warring on the article to restore the unsourced information. User:Starblind seems to have gotten into it, and has now protected the page. That's all I know. Corvus cornix 15:31, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, I noticed that about Fenwick. High school kids. Corvus cornix 18:41, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

Looks to me like the kid got tired of playing his game and decided to quit while he was still ahead. Whatever works to get the articles back to the way they belong. Corvus cornix 20:34, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

Talk:Fenwick High School (Chicago, Illinois) - your assumptions of good faith are much stronger than mine.  :) Corvus cornix 21:53, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

65.54.98.30 (talk · contribs) is now trying to blank the talk pages to wipe out any record of their hoaxing. Corvus cornix 23:04, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

65.54.98.30 has now been blocked for repeated Talk page blanking. But I expect to see one of his other sockpuppets show up any time now. Corvus cornix 23:16, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

Vacation

Have a good one! Corvus cornix 23:39, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

Worrying edits re: Barbaro hoax

The Barbaro hoaxer is currently attempting to remove and alter other people's talk-page comments on pages discussing the hoax, sometimes using deceptive edit summaries (i.e. "spelling correction" when removing large blocks of other people's comments), and has now been blocked from at least two IPs for doing so. What's worrying is that he posted that you told him to do this, mentioning you by name and saying "these changes are justified under Mr. Dunning". While I highly doubt that's actually true, I felt you should certainly know about it, as if the wrong person were to read that and take it at face value, it would look pretty bad. Andrew Lenahan - Starblind 13:34, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

hacking

Have you ever got to the bottom of why tturbo thinks you hacked his page? I couldn't make heads nor tails of his complaint. --Fredrick day 21:09, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

It's either we're not using the same definition for "hack" or he really thinks something hinky is going on. Ttturbo regularly makes accusations about secret police, communists and Red Army apologists being behind any actions he feels are threatening. It seems that he has difficulty believing that many of us are just average people who like editing articles in general. He's expressed many times the belief that only people with a POV would be interested in working on articles about certain topics; Ttturbo just doesn't see that I have more interest in encyclopedic accuracy than the Red Army itself. I think "hack" means that some editors aren't who they represent themselves to be. Very frustrating.
Jim Dunning | talk 21:30, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

Just to clarify, there was absolutely no "hacking" of any king going on. For some reason, User:Ttturbo became convinced his user page has undergone some "hacking"; this most likely was because he failed to understand basic concepts of Wikiediting, such as people being able to edit anywhere on the page; he was probably used to forum-like communication. Instead of asking nicely, however, he started accusing everyone left and right of hacking and supporting Red Army crimes; this included not only those who voted for deleting the several articles he created, but completely neutral people who just happened to come to his userpage. To reiterate, Jim Dunning did nothing that can be taken as "hacking" with any definition of the word. IgorSF 07:25, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

Russians want to hide their army crimes and wants to make new provocations. I need NO ANY HELP and NO ANY ADWICES from Jim Dunning. Your hands don't feed me! I have some understanding about script languages and I need no advices for the moment. I DO NOT ATTACK other editors - this is You and Miranda repeatedly and disruptive are cleaning my boxes. This is not the same - you plus Miranda and OTHER EDITORS. I have got soem polite conversations recently with the other editors and even opponents. So THE STATEMENT above is FALSE. I don't know - is it really you or someone using yours image attacks me trying to hide the commited crime. Neither you neither Frederick has no abilitie to have a look at my screen and have no possibility to make adequate decision wht happened.. You have no specific information about wiki security and packages interception and you said nothing informative about wiki hacking. It's very frustrative. Your comments about situation were false and coments about lithuanian diplomacy are false and jeerfull. If I started some experiments with boxes - I'll do it myself. You explained what do editors are waiting on the AfD pages - I've placed sources. If I need some help - I'm going to ask someone but not You. I expect Miranda again will not allow me to ask for help but I'm going to find her to be disruptive again. There was real hacking of my page not detectable from history and later there appeared one more strange mistake not allowing to edit normaly my page. Ttturbo 21:57, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

I have indef blocked him. I respect you for your patience, but trust me, it is an absolutely hopless matter. Reserve your goodwill and patience to somebody who deserves it. Renata 03:20, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

Edit summaries

Yeah, I usually use edit summaries in disputes or if I feel the edit needs to be explained - Seems like I need to use them more often :) WhisperToMe 18:42, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

Re:Transition from Renaissance to Baroque in Instrumental Music

Thanks for taking the time to review the article and for your helpful comments. I have two responses:

• "The Influence today section needs some ."

There are, unfortunately, no references to be had for this. It is, I confess, my opinion, or rather logical thinking. However, I thought I could avoid an OR or POV charge by appealing to the reader's logic and experience with music today - i.e. pointing out things that are readily observable by any reader, which does not (as I understand it) constitute OR (it's not OR to say that the sky is blue without citations because any reader can walk outside and see that it is).

Basically I thought I was saying, "Such and such is readily observable in pop & art music today, and given what has just been discussed in the article (with citations), it logically follows that the reason for the observable characteristic of today goes all the way back to 1600."

Will that work, or does it still constitute OR/POV? If it does then I'm going to just scrap that whole last section because there's no point scrounging for references. However, I wanted to state my case because I believe that section does have some relevance, so I'd like to not have to jettison it if I don't have to.

• "Direct quotes like, 'impressing with the greatest possible effectiveness' need to be sourced."

The reason I didn't cite this is because it just restates a quotation from a few lines earlier, which is cited ("express the conceptions of the mind how to impress them with the greatest possible effectiveness on the minds of the listeners."). I didn't think it was necessary to give another citation for the same quote right away, but I've gone ahead and added it anyway. Feel free to take it out if you'd like.

DC Meetup notice

Greetings. There is going to be a Washington DC Misplaced Pages meetup on next Saturday, July 21st at 5pm in DC. Since you are listed in Category:Wikipedians_in_Virginia, I thought I'd invite you to come. I'm sorry about the short notice for the meeting. Hopefully we'll do somewhat better in that regard next time. If you can't come but want to make sure that you are informed of future meetings be sure to list yourself under "but let me know about future events", and if you don't want to get any future direct notices \(like this one\), you can list yourself under "I'm not interested in attending any others either" on the DC meetup page.--Gmaxwell 22:09, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

question about retrieving old web material

Do you know a way to retrieve an old version of a recently revised website? I am asking this because in the exchanges on you-know-what page you seemed to be able to extract more internet-related info from some of the things posted than I know how to do. My memory may be faulty and I may be conflating content from two sites but about 2 weeks ago during the initial fuss about the article, I found and I think I remember being impressed that it had a fair amount of what appeared to be reliable positive and negative information about the company in the history section. The version accessible today is cleansed of all negative information except for one reference to Barrett and MLMWatch, and appears to have been taken entirely from company promotional material. I want to be very careful not to put inaccurate info in our article, and I remembered this as a good citation source. Is there a way to find an older archived version from, say, last month that is no longer in my browser history cache? As you can probably tell, my expertise is medical and neither of the recent new contributors has made a single truthful assertion about the nature of research, about levels of medical evidence, about medical publishing, about conflict of interests, about FDA regulations, about glycobiology, about peer review processes, about the nature of scientific expertise, and about pharmaceutical competitition. I do not mean they have limited knowledge or make occasional mistakes --I mean that nearly every single assertion about those topics is demonstrably wrong, false, and/or deceitful. Like you, I have no particular interest or history in this topic, but I cannot stand brazen dishonesty in editing, argument, or health marketing and these people are the worst I have run into here for a long time. Anyway, thanks for your continued help. alteripse 12:02, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

These appear to be 2 more copies of the one I provided above. I was curious about whether it had been changed within the last 10 days. Perhaps I am just misremembering and being unduly suspicious. In general do you know a way to look for older versions of a website like this or are older versions truly gone forever when a site is updated? alteripse 20:29, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

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Brewins

Users like that can just be reported to WP:AIV for quick reponses (and the response time there is generally great). WilyD 18:14, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

Prestige speculations

I don't know, but just deal with it, or get the page protected or something. I have to deal with crap all the time on Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull because fanboys like spreading rumours. Alientraveller 19:44, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

Howdy Fellow Wikipedier!

What's up Jim? Good catch with that NOVAMAN guy. That guy was a complete jerk. Hiding behind that mask, stating he was from Parts Unknown. He was really screwing up Misplaced Pages. Him and his posse. But as an outsider I do want to point out the fact that you totally took NOVAMAN's "Cho reference" out of context. I'm sure you have a good reason for conveniently leaving off the end of his statement. You know the one. The one that goes "person who did some bad things at a school somewhere in America" of WIKI EDITS! Notice the "Wiki edits" portion of that statement? I'm sure it was just your noted lack of copy and paste skills, but hey, we all have our crosses to bear. Because as I'm sure you are aware, it's kind of a dickish move to totally misrepresent someone's statment like that. I mean, that's the sort of thing me and you fight on the Wiki site on a daily basis, right? We can't have that. We want just the facts. I know you didn't intentionally try to paint NOVAMAN as a bad person, because the day a fellow Wikipedier starts doing that, well then, Misplaced Pages will stop existing as the most accurate repository of information on the World Wide Web. And that, Mr. Dunning, is something you nor I cannot have. Keep fightin' the good fight.—Preceding unsigned comment added by NOVAMAN1056 (talk • contribs) 18:18, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

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Themes of the Prestige

Could you explain why you removed this important material without adding a cite request first? Priest has gone on record about the importance of this several times, both in relation to the book and the film. In fact, the book is based on the real life rivalry of Ching Ling Foo and Chung Ling Soo. . I can find other sources if you like. —Viriditas | Talk 01:16, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

In a separate but related problem, Alientraveler's addition of 'Julian Jarrold's and Sam Mendes's producer approached Christopher Priest for an adaptation of his novel The Prestige. Priest was impressed with Nolan's films Following and Memento..." is sourced to Toy, Sam. "Magic marker", Empire, 2006-09-29, pp. 137, which was apparently retrieved on 006-11-13. Can you confirm this? I asked Alientraveller to help me verify this factoid, as I haven't seen it stated in any publication, and he refused to help me. Thanks in advance. —Viriditas | Talk 01:20, 17 September

Novaman

Yes, I blocked all those IPs for a week. I blocked that particular IP that you linked to again for a month. Let me know if more come back. Academic Challenger 05:08, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

The Last Mimzy (3)

Hi Jim, Sorry to hear that you considered the cast list of The Last Mimzy to be "way-too-long" (personally, I've come across cast lists much longer than that! :-)), and also deemed the tagline to be not worthy of inclusion.

It just goes to show that Misplaced Pages editors just can't please everyone all of the time. Some people may be interested in having a detailed guide to a movie, including taglines and full cast list (which why I put them in to begin with), while others make like the Cybermen in Doctor Who and "Delete! Delete! Delete!" :-)

Another reason why I like to put taglines on movie pages is because sometimes they are not always readable on the theatrical poster images included, even sometimes on the enlargements, and including the tagline in the article does save readers having to strain their eyes trying to read it. With regard to the full cast lists, unlike sometimes on IMDb, I present the character names exactly as they are shown on-screen; also, I do think it somewhat misrepresentative to list under the 'Cast' heading, for example, only ten cast members when there were in fact forty-five in the film. This is why, on my latest version of the page, I have altered the heading to 'Main Cast', as well as reinstating one female character I felt worthy of mention (check out the page history to find out who!).

Anyroadup, I hope you enjoyed The Last Mimzy as much as I did, and all the best with your editing in the future!--Freddie R. Aldous 11:50, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

Kiss my ass jim dunning

he was shot by a tank and that is critical to the plot--86.140.98.142 13:49, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

MWAH!! (not!)
Jim Dunning | talk 17:07, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

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Classically themed films

Thanks for your reply! The links were very helpful. 82.139.85.143 02:55, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

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Preity Zinta FA

Hi there. The Preity Zinta article has recently achieved A-class status. Due to the wealth of support I have decided to now nominate for an FA class article which I believe and judging by the comments of others is pretty much up to. In my view it is better than some existing FA actor articles. I would therefore be very grateful if you could give it a final review in your own time and leave your comments and views at Misplaced Pages:Featured article candidates/Preity Zinta. Thankyou, your comments are always valuable. ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ 10:57, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

Re: Plot

Thank you for your comment about the spoiler discussion! I wouldn't mind having even more succinct plot summaries, and I know what you mean about the popular films having extensive plot summaries in their articles. I guess that's the inherent fallacy with Misplaced Pages and the media -- articles, ranking as high as they do on Google, can be converted into vehicles for excess and indiscriminate detail. (Same goes for Trivia sections.) I guess such sections are the easiest way for novice editors to get involved, which is why we see such detailed fictional biographies. In my process, I've done my best to summarize films like at Road to Perdition#Plot or Surf Ninjas#Plot. I'd much rather remove extensive Plot sections in their entirety, but I've been reverted on the grounds that excess is better than none. Considering that such sections are usually found in an article that basically has the Infobox Film template, a Trivia section with 30 bulleted entries, and external links, there's basically no article for the plot detail to prompt up. By the way, are you still active with The Prestige (film)? I can try to find additional information for it -- my research skills have grown by leaps and bounds since I started on Misplaced Pages. —Erik (talk • contrib) - 22:40, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

Indeed, I noticed how many comments were in the FAC process for Preity Zina. I didn't really respond because even though I know Blofeld, I didn't have a large interest in reviewing the article. I suppose my perspective was similar to the combative editor that complained about canvassing, but I didn't care to make my concerns public. As for The Prestige, I'll see what I can scrounge up. —Erik (talk • contrib) - 04:56, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

To find web sources, I've generally tried to utilize certain keywords. For example, writing something like "david fincher" "fight club" interview procures this. Different variations in the keywords can provide better results than a plain Google search, especially for a film with a fan base. Also, if you want to search a certain website for articles about a film, you can use something like this: site:ew.com "fight club" that would return results from only that website. You can do this for news websites. You'll have to figure out which ones have sealed-off archives and which ones are fully available. Another thing you could do is to utilize RSS feeds for film websites to watch new headlines from them. I've found websites like ComingSoon.net or Sci Fi Wire to be informative. If you have a Gmail account, you can also set up Google Alerts to field headlines that come through Google News. Google News only keeps headlines for 30 days, but since you get the link in an e-mail, you can visit the link even if it's no longer available on Google News and lost in the massive pile of regular results. There are also approaches for print sources, so it depends on what you have access to. I have a university account, so I've been able to formulate ways to retrieve information. I just did this for a good portion of Fight Club (film), which I've been expanding today. —Erik (talk • contrib) - 23:12, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

Oh, another way to dig up web sources (for films, anyway) is to go to the trivia pages at IMDb and to search for the keywords of items found there. There is usually some kind of truth behind each item, so you could find something. Also, you may want to check out User:Erik/Research -- just some techniques I've compiled, but I've been getting enough results from my current methods that I haven't really utilized the page. —Erik (talk • contrib) - 23:23, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

WikiProject Films November 2007 Newsletter

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Typo

Don't worry about it. I like most of your edits to that article so far, by the way. A sense of clarity amid the various trolls and such that come to put weird stuff in there. Cirt (talk) 00:22, 7 December 2007 (UTC).

The Prestige (novel)

Hi. I have checked and in my edition of The Prestige (Tor, 2006) there is no mention of the "turn" as the second stage of an illusion. And the whole description of the three stages is definitely in chapter 16 of part 2 ("Alfred Borden"), part 2 consisting of 39 chapters, some of which very short. Might it be that there are differences in different editions? Perhaps US version differing from UK one? Happy editing, Goochelaar (talk) 23:21, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

Apparently I have happened upon an alternat(iv)e version of The Prestige: I was wondering why it was handwritten! :-) "My" part 2 closes indeed with incorporeal Angier's attack on Borden: the last section or chapter is numbered 39 and begins by "It is 1st September 1903, and I say that to all intents..." (page 114), and is preceded by a three-paragraph chapter 38, beginning by "I step forward to the footlights..." Possibly, for some reason, in different editions they have differently unified the chapters?

"My" section 16 begins on page 64 with the words "An illusion has three stages".

All the best, Goochelaar (talk) 13:55, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

York High School

The school colors on a high level have been said to be blue and gray. (Original colors) But over time they have changed to Royal Blue and silver although not officially stated anywhere. I'm not going to debate this endlessly, but as a former student there for 4 years, Royal Blue and silver are the accepted colors. Looking at any sports uniform will indicate that. But do whatever, it's not worth my time to debate it. I"m sure your "IP address" indicator will go off since I made the edit, so do what you will with it. I don't care. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.143.155.35 (talk) 22:46, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

A Canticle for Leibowitz

Sure, I will take a look and do what I can. Briangotts (Talk) (Contrib) 16:01, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

Light House: A Trifle

Thanks for promoting the article. I'm going to leave the article as a GA and if in a few years or maybe a decade there are academic papers on the novel then I'll add Themes, Genre, or whatnot sections. The next time I re-read the novel I'll be paying attention to further summarizing the plot summary. I like your improvement to the Publication section. If you have the time would you mind commenting on the List of works by William Monahan article that is currently at WP:FAC?-BillDeanCarter (talk) 15:05, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

Translations

Sorry for the belated response. I saw your message earlier, but I caught up in other issues, like that ongoing TFD. I've never really been involved in any translation issues. I've collaborated with an editor who knows German at Valkyrie (film), and I've taken his word regarding the content of German articles. My thinking is that perhaps for descriptive information, translations might be OK, but when it comes to a foreign person weighing in their opinion about something, I don't know if translation is that simple. I'm in no way an expert on this, but I think that the best solution is to find out how non-film Featured Articles have addressed translating non-English resources. —Erik (talk • contrib) - 17:48, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

Fenwick Sourcing

Hi Dunning,

Gorman was also talked about in the Sun Times after he died- I can use that as a source. Pan American Energy is a very important company for South American Energy. It is located in Buenos Aires (Hence the Spanish), but the source I listed did have a translation button to it. Kelleher was also just made CEO in June 2007- there might be more articles about him soon. Prior, he headed up financial for Amoco. There are also some pretty important alumns not listed according to The Fenwick Magazine published by the school, but I can't find articles about them on the net. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.142.236.101 (talk) 05:03, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

Les Chouans

JimD, thanks for reviewing Les Chouans. Originally I simply translated the entire article from the French WP. Later I went back and got a variety of sources and rewrote nearly the entire thing on my own. The only part which is still from the French WP is the plot summary. Cheers! – Scartol • Tok 12:38, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

Thank you kindly for your GA review and your positive feedback. I'm curious to know why you're concerned that it's the work of only one author? There are many fine articles on Misplaced Pages which have been written by a single person, n'est-ce pas? Cheers. – Scartol • Tok 02:57, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

Fenwick additions

Hi Dunning,

I leave it up to your judgement. I added the dress code and tuition in case people were looking into the comfort level of the school as well as the expense. I also thought that there should be some mention of post-graduate activities to round out the complete picture. If you change your mind, you can reverse it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.142.236.84 (talk) 05:11, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

NCfOM awards list

Goodness, that is an endless and uncited list. My suggestion is to squash it down to describing the Globe nominations first, and then simply squash all the critics' awards to "the film won best picture from ". Alientraveller (talk) 22:38, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

Re: Films

Certainly, I'll help provide resources for No Country for Old Men (film), as Google Alerts should provide some results! (I wish that it had more screenings -- I doubt I'll be seeing it until it's on DVD.) As for I Am Legend, let's just say it was a rare experience for me to read the book before seeing a film -- if I do both, it's usually the other way around: film, then book. The ending was underwhelming and conventional, and what I expected to happen with Anna and Ethan, didn't. I have to agree with the general consensus of most reviews that the third act was basically flimsy, but I really enjoyed the film for the first half. I'm a sucker for post-apocalyptic situations, just how people handle themselves in these civilization-shattering crises. Now, I can look at the plot-related discussions on the film article's talk page! :) What was your impression, anyway? —Erik (talk • contrib) - 17:20, 23 December 2007 (UTC)

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Your recent message

I have replied to your recent message on my talk page. --Pixelface (talk) 23:55, 26 December 2007 (UTC)

Jim, if you have suggestions on the wording of the {{recent film}} tag, you're free to post them at Template talk:Recent film. And you're certainly free to change the wording yourself by editing Template:Recent film. As I said at Talk:I Am Legend (film), I added that wording because it existed in a similar template, {{current product}}. Wording about information changing rapidly and asking editors to expand an article is common in other temporal templates. The {{recent film}} template puts articles into Category:Recent films. I suppose I could remove any wording that has to do with information changing rapidly or asking people to expand an article and just change it to "This article is about a recently released film. Other articles about recently released films are listed here." If you want to get down to it, the main purpose of the {{recent film}} tag is so editors can tag articles about recent films and people can find them, using "What links here" or the category. Perhaps putting an article into Category:Recent films would be better than putting a template at the top of the article. The template {{recent death}} puts articles into Category:Recent deaths and I think it's a useful template. Instead of tagging articles about people, {{recent film}} is for articles about films. --Pixelface (talk) 02:01, 27 December 2007 (UTC)