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I have removed this 'trivia' section:

• Three weeks before she was killed, she said in her weblog that she listened to "Goodbye My Lover" by British songwriter James Blunt over and over again, claiming she couldn't stop listening to it 1.

I don't think it really needs to be explained why the above is not encyclopaedic, but I'm willing to do so if someone requests it. --Saforrest 17:20, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

Explain it to me then. The Canadian press made quite a big deal about it, and I was hoping to expand the article to include more about the girl herself, and that's pertinent to her. If that needs to be rewritten or redone, I'll do that.-RomeW 11:52, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

Well, what is the importance of this information? The only reason I can see is the implied dramatic foreshadowing her own death (her own "goodbye"). Since this is reality, she can't really have known what would happen; I therefore thought the bit unencylopaedic. I guess I'll admit to being a bit offended by it too; I read the implied significance of this tidbit as an attempt to escape from the reality of this girl's inexplicable death into a banal soap-operesque tragedy.

Anyway, if it was reported on so extensively by the media, it should be mentioned, but prefixed with something like "many media sources noted that Creba mentioned in her weblog that...", etc. --Saforrest 19:06, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

• Creba is described by friends and family as a top student and excellent athlete, a warm person who was full of enthusiasm, a ‘bright light’, and ‘a loving and caring soul with a cheerful open heart’. " She was perfect" students of her school said. A makeshift memorial of flowers, candles, and stuffed animals was set up at the site of her death, and was removed with her family’s consent on January 9, 2006.

I don't think this needs to be here. The article shouldn't be about Creba, she's insignificant. It should be about the political effect her death had. --Dakese 04:27, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

I think we can have a bit of information on her life. This is an article about a person, not just an event- this should reflect that. There are other articles on people who have had similar legal effects- Terry Schiavo, for instance- and there's at least a little blurb about their lives. Creba deserves no less. -RomeW 19:47, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

The public response to her death, the flowers, etc. are quite noteworthy and are probably as significant as the "political effects" (e.g. the federal election influence, the Guardian Angels, etc.) since this establishes the reaction of Toronto to the shooting. --Saforrest 19:06, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

I concur. To say that she's insignificant is not only callus and in incredibly poor taste, it ignores the fact that the name of the article is, after all, Jane Creba. Jaileer 20:45, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

The most important part is that last; namely, that she is the subject. --Saforrest 19:06, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

Notability

Why is this subject notable? Maybe someone can explain it to me... --Mista-X 12:04, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

Speaking as a Torontonian, it was the random and senseless nature of her death that makes her notable. It hit us hard. Handguns are illegal in Canada, and gun crime up until recently was rare by the standards of comparable US cities. So Creba's death really hit home, and made a difference to the way people here think about street violence and its prevention. Hope this helps you understand. -- Clippership (talk) 15:47, 25 December 2007 (UTC)

Second thoughts: subject is not notable, her death is. In fact it's the shooting that's the real subject. Two years after the incident now, and new information that is coming out is not about Jane, but about the young people who have been arrested and are now working their way through the justice system, plus the related community movements (Green Apple Project, Guardian Angels). So I've de-biographized it. Clippership (talk) 13:19, 26 December 2007 (UTC)

That doesn't really cut it for me. I'm a born and raised Torontonian. Been here my whole life, and have never left. In fact, I live in Riverdale, the location of Creba's school and have been a resident in this hood for about over a decade. I also grew up in the downtown area. I feel sorry for her, her friends/family, etc. but the only reason this was a big deal is because it effected white people. Shootings like this have never been unusual in the GTA. But this happened to a white girl and it happened in a space were middle-class white people enjoy their shopping, on a European origin holiday (more whiteness). This is why it was blown out of proportion by the media, and why there was "outrage". Of course there has been outrage about violence in the Black community, not just at the people in their own community, but to the cops who harass and brutalize Black youth. Did any pay attention? This was even the subject of discussion in the U of T course Equity Studies. It is definitely a great example of systemic white supremacy in Canada. As well, the neo-nazis have really loved this incident and have used it in their propaganda. Too bad this isn't in the article. The Guardian Angels are a reactionary organization and won't do much good in Toronto. The tried coming here years ago, they failed then and will fail now. Not only that there are other community organizations that will work against them. They don't address the root problems of criminality, violence, inequities and oppression anyways. The simply try to bully people and will be looked at as snitches and imposters by most people. Another thing, not all hand guns are illegal in Canada. As well, guns aren't the problem anyways. Not that I don't think those guys where idiots for blasting in the middle of Yonge, but I don't think harassment of communities, beefed up law enforcement, "tougher" laws, etc. is very helpful in the long run. In terms of notability, the subject Jane Creba is fine as a subsection of another article, but certainly other than this being a tragedy that happened to garner a media attention, it is not as notable as say the racially sparked riot of '92, or the worker's Days of Action that shut down the city, etc. which don't even have articles. Hope this helps you understand. --Mista-X (talk) 06:20, 27 December 2007 (UTC)