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			:I'm not sure that's true. For example, I made corrections to such things as an unfounded claim you attributed to that book. See . --] (]) 16:33, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

			::I also made with information from the book. ''Please'', I ask you again, as I have numerous times: Do not say things you know are untrue. It's neither reasonable nor fair to make another editor frequently have to point out untruths. --] (]) 16:36, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

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FYI

The current version of this article has many mistakes in the references section - this version http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=John_Buscema&oldid=181851662 does not - If anyone is interested, please feel free to make the necessary corrections.

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The correct info for 3 major reference works cited are as follows:

Spurlock, D., & Buscema, J.(2001) John Buscema Sketchbook. New Jersey:Vanguard Productions

Comic Book Artist, 21 (Aug. 2002)

Alter Ego, v.3, 15 (June 2002)

--Skyelarke (talk) 22:35, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

The above post is so inaccurate it's preposterous. The current article's book citation, for example, reads:

Spurlock, David J., and John Buscema, The Art of John Buscema (New Jersey: Vanguard Productions, 2001) pp.60-61. Hardcover ISBN 1-887591-18-4, signed-numbered hardcover ISBN 1-887591-17-6, trade paperback ISBN 1-887591-19-2

As for the version of the article to which Skyelarke links, it is a hagiographic, fan-magazine travesty. Please go to it and see for oneself. --Tenebrae (talk) 02:31, 9 January 2008 (UTC)-

Let's keep it civil please. We have policies which relate to bias, mainly WP:NPOV, but also WP:WEASEL and WP:PEACOCK. Let's focus the discussion using those terms of reference rather than our own more colourful but possibly more divisive ones. Hiding T 02:34, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

In principle I agree; purposefully misleading statements, however, I believe need to be addressed in forceful terms. What is the old saying? "A lie can travel halfway 'round the world before the truth gets out the front door." I did take care to limit my comments to the post and not the person. --Tenebrae (talk) 02:42, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

I happen to agree with Misplaced Pages policy: Silent and faceless words on talk pages and edit summaries do not transmit the nuances of verbal conversation, leading to small, facetious comments being misinterpreted. One uncivil remark can easily escalate into a heated discussion which may not focus objectively on the problem at hand. It is during these exchanges that community members may become uninterested in improving articles and instead focus on "triumphing" over the "enemy". It is better to simply state the fact; you do not believe the version of the page referred to meets our policy on WP:NPOV. Hiding T 02:53, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

You're right, and I certainly don't disagree; it's better to be more strictly businesslike. One can't let the goaders get your goat. I have to admit it's hard, but it's a goal worth reaching for. --Tenebrae (talk) 03:01, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

The correct title for the Vanguard book is 'John Buscema Sketchbook' and not 'Art of John Buscema'. As per - http://www.vanguardproductions.net/buscema/

The correct number for the Alter Ego magazine is 15, not 21. As per - http://twomorrows.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=55&products_id=492

For the ibidem problem, see - http://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Footnotes#Style_recommendations

--Skyelarke (talk) 10:46, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

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--Skyelarke (talk) 23:54, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

I'm away from home until at least January 17, tending to my family health emergency. The title of the book on its copyright and indicia page is as I gave; it's entirely possible we have differently titled editions I will reconfirm and respond to these and other points after returning and physically examining my publications --Tenebrae (talk) 15:47, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

I can only speak for myself - and as far as I can tell, all 7 footnotes from that book in the current article have been provided by myself - and the book that I used was entitled - The John Buscema Sketchbook.

--Skyelarke (talk) 16:13, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

I'm not sure that's true. For example, I made corrections to such things as an unfounded claim you attributed to that book. See this edit. --Tenebrae (talk) 16:33, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

I also made this addition with information from the book. Please, I ask you again, as I have numerous times: Do not say things you know are untrue. It's neither reasonable nor fair to make another editor frequently have to point out untruths. --Tenebrae (talk) 16:36, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

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