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Merger of cannabis (drug) and hashish

I'm not sure where you proposed this merger. It wasn't templated on either of the two pages, and doesn't appear to have been mentioned on either talk page either. I've reverted it pending some sort of public discussion. Zetawoof_(ζ) 04:31, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

Well that isn't helpful, edit warring never is. Talk:Cannabis (drug)#"in its herbal form"]] was the most recent, the other has been hidden in the archives. Why have you reverted. Thanks, SqueakBox 04:38, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

Because there's a well-defined process for proposing a merge (see WP:MERGE), and this process wasn't followed. Additionally, looking at that talk page archive, there was never any semblance of a consensus to merge. Zetawoof_(ζ) 07:14, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

I think you are either misunderstanding or wikilawyering, the "well-defined" processes include what I did, without the slightest doubt nor was there any serious opposition to my proposal. You haven't explained your actions at all but hashish is cannabis, why have an article on hash and not weed. Thanks, SqueakBox 16:58, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

Part of the merge process is placing a {{merge}} (or {{mergefrom}}/{{mergeto}}) template on each of the articles involved. With regard to the actual merits of the merge, hashish is a form of cannabis, just as chewing tobacco is a form of tobacco - they're separate products with different histories and uses; as such, and because the two articles are both quite long already, I see no reason to merge them. Zetawoof_(ζ) 02:07, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

How is hashish used differently to grass. Thanks, SqueakBox 02:09, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

I'm not entirely sure, myself (as I'm not a cannabis/hashish user). However, the information in the articles hashish and cannabis smoking seem to suggest that there are significant differences in usage. (For instance, hashish is often eaten, whereas cannabis is not.) The fact alone that hashish has been recognized as a distinct product for 700-800 years - it was mentioned by Marco Polo! - should be sufficient, though. Zetawoof_(ζ) 06:53, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

Actually cooking with cannabis would contradict what you say, I believe, space cakes etc are certainly eaten, and bhang is not a product of hashish as the leaves are used. The main difference seems to be in geographical distribution, classic example being that in India in the tropical south weed is used and in the desert north hash is used. Thanks, SqueakBox 16:39, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages talk:Requests for mediation/Pro-pedophile activism

Please could you take time to pop over to the MedCom wiki so we can have a go at solving the dispute? It's been going on for a while now, and we really need to get cracking to come to an amicable end. Thanks, Ryan Postlethwaite 20:04, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

Okay. Thanks, SqueakBox 20:58, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

Is that a private conversation, or are other interested Wikipedians welcome? --SSBohio 05:28, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

its closed, so yeah, private, but if you want to join you should ask Ryan, Thanks, SqueakBox 05:40, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

I left some new alternatives. Could you take a look? Martijn Hoekstra (talk) 11:49, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

Sure. Thanks, SqueakBox 16:36, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

Note

Please stop reverting and discuss your changes on the talk page. Any further reversions will result in a block for disruption. This message has also been placed on User:Homologeo's page. Nakon 06:18, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

Whoops I reverted because I thought that was Homologeo. All I ma trying to do is make constructive edits and it is not helpful whenm any edit I make to the article is reverted by people with a grudge againstr m,e and whio apear to be engaged in pedophile advocacy. Thanks, SqueakBox 06:23, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

That's two unfounded accusations, one of which is a personal attack. Who do you accuse of having a grudge against you? And who do you accuse of pedophile advocacy? --SSBohio 22:02, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

Well if you don't have a personal grudge against me please don't act as if you do. And its never a good diea to be an advocate for anything on wikipedia. Thanks, SqueakBox 23:01, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

Your assertions are unfounded. I've refuted your untruths and put up with your insinuations of impropriety. That's self-defense, not bearing a grudge. Now, would you please answer my questions? --SSBohio 00:58, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

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Personal Attacks by many on many

I've mentioned this before, but I think you have a very low threshhold for "personal attacks". Some people have been marginally/arguably uncivil toward you, but you have been to others too. Let me ask you this (to illustrate and hopefully to understand how you are looking at all this):

How is being called a coward any worse than being called a lout? (Or ather, calling someone either?) Per Merriam-Webster (using noun definitions, of course), a Lout is an awkward brutish person and a Coward is one who shows disgraceful fear or timidity. I want to understand how you see these and how you justify one being a personal attack and one not.

VigilancePrime (talk) 06:15, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

Calling me a coward is not marginally uncivil, it is completely out of order and one of the worst personal attacks I have had the misfortune to suffer on wikipedia. if I remember correctly you irritated me when you started implying that I wasn't using my brain, etc, which while not the same level of PA certainly showed that you were provoking me. Think of WWI, there was no worse insult than being called a coward and I don't think things have really changed. I consider myself a warrior not a coward, and thu8s it is. I have no idea who fiughting for Justice is but attacking from anonymity....is well....we can each figure that for ourselves, eh? Thanks, SqueakBox 06:20, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

I think the two are close enough to similar. At least - looking on the bright side - you can understand why SS is so upset about his "honor being impuned". :-) (For the record, I wasn't saying you weren't using your brain, I was saying that it didn't take much brainpower to see my point, which means that it shouldn't be too exhausting for anyone, including me.) VigilancePrime (talk) 06:35, 11 January 2008 (UTC) And I do understand coward being a great attack, but just as bad as boorish in this context of Misplaced Pages.

I don't believe I have impuned Ssbohio's honour but his continuously calling me a liar is very tiresome to say the least, its the kind of thing people get sued for. Not that I am in any way saying I would (and my reputation where I live isn't affected by my identity as a user on wikipedia anyway) but you know what I mean, I am sure. Lout to me just means some young person who slouches a lot which is pretty mild. And actually I found it almost impossible to follow your girllover argument that night. Thanks, SqueakBox 06:42, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

• I found examples of times when you impugned my honor going back at least to November, then I got tired of looking, so I'll limit myself to five recent accusations of dishonor that you've made: deliberate disruption, bad faith & discourtesy, viciousness, atrociously breaching basic civility, and being an uncivil trolling hysterical idiot & an intolerably rude brat. How can you not believe that you've impugned my honor?
• If you desire not to be called a liar, then you need to speak the truth about what I've said and done, instead of making untrue statements like those above & others. Also, it's a good thing I'm not more like you, or else I'd take your get sued comment as a legal threat, the way you took my beating me up comment.
• Likewise to you, my reputation at home isn't affected by what happens here; However, my personal honor in this community is important just as it is in my hometown
• Since, by your own admission, the term lout refers to the person and not their edits, would you agree that it is a (however mild) personal attack? --SSBohio 12:52, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

I agree that SS is getting tiring (in the "Lies! It's all lies! bit). He's passionate, I'll give him that. So are you. Just about different things. So am I, just about different things. Passion is good. The internet brings together a lot of us that have totally different views and that makes for a lot of friction sometimes too. That's what you and I have had a lot of and that's what you and SS have now. So is the way of the internet, eh?

When you say "that night" I infer that you have since followed it well enough. It doesn't matter much anymore anyway as it's totally moot. I'm enjoying my popcorn and watching WikiCNN...  :-)

I do think that you tend to get offended far too easily online. I can too, but I do try to assume copious amounts of good faith and will write as much even. (Granted, sometimes it's in the form of "I'm sure you didn't really mean...") As for being sued for lying, that's almost always a frivolous lawsuit unless the offended party is in the public eye, and then even it's a rough sell to a jury (and harder to a judge).

Best of luck dealing with SS, working with me, and avoiding Justice. VigilancePrime (talk) 06:48, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

Every time I read the phrase "avoiding Justice," it makes me chuckle. I know what you mean, but the juxtaposition of the two terms strikes me as humorous. Considering all that's gone on, I can also see where I might be somewhere behind Squeak in the lineup of people who are easily offended here. As Ambrose Bierce (I think) said: Infancy is the time of life when Heaven lies about you. The rest of the world commences lying about you soon after. :-) We would all do well to remember that any perceived lies, insults, or incivility should tend to reflect more poorly on the one dishing it out than the one taking it. I'm planning to increase the size of the grain of salt I take things with on this project; It may need to be the size of a salt lick to have much effect, however, given my devotion to personal honor. --SSBohio 05:06, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

I know what you mean. I wrote that late at night and didn't even catch onto it until the next morning (or next night), and at that point, since nobody had seemingly noticed (or at least balked), I didn't want to draw attention to it by changing it. But it is funny. I think (hope?) that all three of us see it as a humorous misstep and not intended in the less benign interpretation of the phrase. Anyway, that grain of salt thing is certainly fitting. And no calling Dibs on honor... It's like Cooties, we all have it by the time we're adults. Long as you don't hang it out there like a pair of Fuzzy dice. I'm glad we're not all victims of the Hate Plague (oh wait, that one got deleted, thank God!). I'm just happy we're not all being so Vorpal nowadays...! VigilancePrime (talk) 05:44, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

En Espanol

Yes I have certainly had good connections with SS in the past though not with fighting. I am looking forward to the Eric Volz (an article I have edited a lot) interview with Anderson Cooper on CNN tomorrow,just saw a preview, we get lots of English language US TV down here, thank goodness, and while I love Spanish TV, just not all the time. Thanks, SqueakBox 06:53, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

Yes, we've had good conversations in the past, and potentially in the future we can have good (if halting) conversations en español as my skill improves. I'm taking my second course and the additional verb tenses are kind of kicking me around, so it may be a while... :-) --SSBohio 12:52, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

Good luck with improving your Spanish, for me it was 5 years of hard, frustrating work before I got the hang of it, now nearly 5 years later and it is becoming more fluid and natural SqueakBox 15:25, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

Thanks... I'm finding it frustrating in this class, particularly, because the video and listening exercises emphasize different regional variations, which is really slowing down my comprehension. Also, the professor wants me to buy a $115 on-line access code in adition to my book, workbook, study guide, & CDs. It might be cheaper (& more effective) to move south and learn osmotically. --SSBohio 15:34, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

Sorry for butting in, but that last remark just begged for a reply. When I moved to Holland, almost 15 years ago, the first thing I did was enroll in language school, as I had never spoken in a language other than English. It was frustrating and didn't help much. I finally dropped out, and just learned from watching the soaps on tv, and fracturing the language in the streets until I got my point across. Practice, practice, practice with native speakers is what I found worked the best. Just my two pesos. :-P Jeffpw (talk) 15:56, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

"Dos pesos?" VigilancePrime (talk) 16:00, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

I definitely just learnt the regional Spanish from Spain (as one does in England). While I was fortunate enough to have a Spanish girlfriend (and though we spoke in English I could always practice my Spanish with her) but my main way of learning in those first 5 years was reading newspapers with a dictionary. As Jeff says, it is practice that makes perfect. Thanks, SqueakBox 16:01, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

3rr report

FYI: here. I'm doing the anon one now. Lawrence Cohen 16:21, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

I'll assume good faith and that you were confusing User:Jimbo Wales with Jimmy Wales. Thanks, SqueakBox 00:20, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

Wow. I just clicked through the entire day's edit history on that one-by-one. That looked fun. Too bad I couldn't get in on that... it would have been GREAT practice for the new rollback feature! Ah, see SqueakBox, I'm not that bad after all... (I at least registered!) Anyway, it looks like you've had an eventful day. VigilancePrime (talk) 03:25, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

Yes well I wont be registering. I note some admins are offering the feature and others taking it away. And I find the undo feature quite adequate. Thanks, SqueakBox 03:39, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

I meant registering on Wiki (rather than being an IP, like the guy you were fighting all day). I was not in favor of rollback, but asked for it to see how it worked. I tested it on my own pages first, and good thing as I learned it worked more/better/further back than I had thought/expected! Overall, though, I like it so far. Used it only a couple times. I can see a HUGE amount of room for abuse, though, and that of course concerns me. Still, sometimes (like today), it would have been both functional AND fun to use on IP's litte whine-and-vandalize spree! VigilancePrime (talk) 03:43, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

Re:Comment tampering

Oh sorry about that, it was because the script picks up innapropriate words, and it picked up 'nigger', i thought it was vandalism so i reverted it, i probablys should of checked what context it was used in first. Thanks.  Sunderland06  18:13, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the explanation, this was a double entente of the N word which is, IMO, offensive, though depending on use. Thanks, SqueakBox 01:01, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

2008

thanks for fixing my edit here --Antonio Lopez 03:14, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

Speedy deletion of Brian Emo

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