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I got a post-doc position, so I'll be more busy and have less time for wikipedia. If there is an issue on any article I made a consensus with other users, please e-mail me. You can also e-mail me with any other inquiries and I will respond back. To any reader reading this, I would not take[REDACTED] as a scholarly source on many history or social subject. Probably the arguments in the talkpages of disputed articles show this.

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Thanks

The Barnstar of Diligence for your excellent work in Shahnameh and other Iranian articles. You are an "exception" among Misplaced Pages Users. --Pejman47 20:56, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

My response to barefact re:Scytho-Iranian theory

FYI:

I have reviewed the article and do not believe that much of it is appropriate for WP. Please see WP:FRINGE and WP:UNDUE. The weight of scholarly consensus is that the Scythians were an Iranian peoples; a tiny minority holds that they were Turkic. This article implies the reverse.

It may be worth a brief mention in the article on Scythians along the lines of "Scholar A, Scholar B, and Scholar C argue based on linguistic evidence that the Scythians were proto-Turkic rather than Iranian; this view is not widely held."

--Briangotts (Talk) (Contrib) 14:22, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

Request

Hi, would you please check the historic sections of Mazandaran Provinceand in the case that it contradicts academic sources, rewrite it?--Pejman47 16:54, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

Literature template

Thanks for additions. I think those look OK now, except for citation "5", saying also part of Literature of Iran. It's OK to create this template and add the authors there. But some authors listed in this template are also part of Literature of USSR, Literature of Russia and Literature of Turkey. This would create confusion, if we have to add each one of those, don't you think? Also, I think the article about Parvin Ehtesami needs some improvement and sources, it would be great if you can improve it. Atabek 21:29, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

Merci beaucoup

Oui, monsiuer. But it appears problems are so few, and Mardavich is disappeared. Khorshid 11:37, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

For your attention

Dear Ali doostzadeh, you may wish to consult my note on . Kind regards, --BF 11:04, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for your message. I have now again left a message for this deranged individual. You may wish to consult: User:Samadli. Someone should make an effort and lock the entry to the article in question; it is just a wast of time to counter this madman thrice each day. Kind regards, --BF 10:08, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

Chionites

Heh, alright. I just wrote in alphabethical order. If i knew that the order of "x or y" was important, then i would already wrote it as "y or x". Logically, it does not matter. Regards. E104421 16:23, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

• I wonder why you reverted my edits to Tajik's version. He removed the reference at the beginning section, changed the alphabetical ordering, too, in order to cover up Chineese. The mainstream historians regards Chionites as Red Huns. On the other hand, he added "(red)" within the direct quotations, but this could be added in the notes section. If you quote something directly you do it directly. By the way, you removed the reference to "Red Huns" terminology, too. Regards, E104421 12:57, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

Hi, , I really don't know why you so insist putting an unkown literary figure in this template. If you dont agree me, let's try Misplaced Pages:Third opinion. I strongly disagree the notablity of this person. Thinks.Aparhizi 18:26, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

Turkish people

Please take a look at and write a short comment. Thank you. Regards. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.83.129.97 (talk) 23:05, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

hmm too much OR.. I noticed they even misquoted the genetic study and left out the crucial part. For example:high resolution SNP analysis provides evidence of a detectable yet weak signal (<9%) of recent paternal gene flow from Central Asia" (which means at most 9% have real central asian (Turkic) roots). Also this statement:The major components (haplogroups E3b, G, J, I, L, N, K2, and R1; 94.1%)

are shared with European and neighboring Near Eastern populations and contrast with only a minor share of haplogroups related to Central Asian (C, Q and O; 3.4%), Indian (H, R2; 1.5%) and African (A, E3*, E3a; 1%).but the article is outside of my interest. This was also omitted from the same study. The stuff about Amazons (I didn't even bother with the source) seems fantatic. I would put a dispute tag sign and OR sign... but I can't take care of every article that has lots of distortion/nonsense in it.. --alidoostzadeh 02:28, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

Divar for later

كشف بقاياى سومين ديوار بزرگ تاريخى جهان در درياي مازندران به گزارش واحد مركزي خبر بقاياي سومين ديوار بزرگ تاريخي جهان در آب‌هاي درياي مازندران كشف شد. ديوار دفاعي گرگان پس از ديوار چين و ليمس آلمان، طويل‌ترين ديوار تاريخي جهان است. سرپرست هيأت باستان شناسي حاضر در منطقه در مصاحبه با خبرنگار واحد مركزي خبر گفت: در كاوش اخير به كمك جولين ونس رزنبرگ (غواص باستان شناس انگليسي) علاوه بر سازه معماري اين ديوار، قطعاتي از سفال‌ها و آجرهاي تاريخي نيز كشف شده - كه ابعاد آن حدود 150 در 136 متر مربع است - قلعه باستاني، اسكله و يا لنگرگاهي باشد كه در دوره ساسانيان از آن استفاده مي‌شد. سرپرست هيأت باستان شناسي حاضر در منطقه گفت: آجرهاي كشف شده قرمز رنگ و به ابعاد 37 در 37 در 10 سانتي متر است كه اطراف آن به مرور از جلبك پوشيده شده است. ديوار دفاعي گرگان از كرانه‌هاي درياي مازندران در غرب استان گلستان تا ارتفاعات بيلي كوه در پارك ملي گلستان به طول 200 كيلومتر و عرض 2 تا 10 متر در زمان ساسانيان به منظور جلوگيري از هجوم اقوام هپتال ساخته شده است. ديوار بزرگ گرگان به عنوان شاهكار ارزشمندي از ايران باستان در سال 1378 به شماره 2345 در فهرست آثار ملي كشور به ثبت رسيده است (روزنامه اطلاعات، 20/6/1386، ص 9). Translation: The World's third largest wall (the first being that of China and the second in Germany) was found in Northern Iran. This wall was probably created to keep the Hephtalites away.. hopefully we will learn more about this important discovery soon. --alidoostzadeh 03:36, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

AE

Ali, I posted response on AE, also the cartoon article was created by Hajji Piruz not by someone else to "attack him". Also, my edit here was a compromise adding the historical title Persia, while removing controversial link to Iranian peoples. So your restoration of edit "to the way it was" was not quite complete. Finally, I doubt anyone assuming that Azeri Turks or Uzbeks are Iranian peoples can be ever neutral on the subjects related to Iran or Azerbaijan. Please, don't take my opinion as personal, I have a big respect towards you in trying to be balanced and fair. But neither of us can be neutral. Thanks. Atabek 16:18, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

Ahwaz territory

An editor has asked for a deletion review of Ahwaz territory. There are question about the truthfulness of the article and whether such a territory exists. Since you contributed to the Politics of Khūzestān Province article, I am hoping that you would consider participating in the Ahwaz territory deletion review to shed some light on whether the Ahwaz territory in fact exists. -- Jreferee t/c 18:05, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

Allameh Tabatabaei's poem

Salam, I know it's good poem but it's not appropriate for wikipedia. You can translate it and move it to Wikiquote. Thanks--Sa.vakilian(t-c) 18:34, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

thanks

Hello and thank you very much for your comments. Me too hope you enjoy editing here! I would ask you if I had any questions. bye for now Tahmasp 06:30, 12 November 2007 (UTC)tahmasp

Agha

Hi Ali Doostzadeh. I see that you are an expert on Middle Eastern History. I had a question about etymology of the word Agha. There is already a link on the article which does not seem to be exact as the word Agha actually sound Mongolian rather than Turkish. (Despite the fact that Turkic and Mongolian are closely related languages/dialects). Sharishirin 11:34, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

Thank you very much for the help. Sharishirin 13:54, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

IP: 85.178.151.155

Hello, I hope you're doing well. Please keep an eye on some articles, such as Timur, Timurid dynasty, or Great Seljuq Empire. The IP is a known vandal from the German Misplaced Pages who has a long history of vandalism and blocks. He is a typical Pan-Turkist who does not accept scholastic sources (that's why he has deleted the reference to the Encyclopaedia of Islam). Please keep an eye on those articles and his edits. Thanks. -- Behnam (talk) 01:05, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

Iran military task force

Salam, What's your idea about making a task force for Iran military task force. Please add your idea here. Thanks--Seyyed(t-c) 05:49, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

Wall Street Journal

I've responded to your edits of Nov. 8 at The Wall Street Journal. I read the same article you did and reached a different conclusion. I'm interested in hearing what others have to say. Cheers! _{``` W</sub> i k i <sub>W</sub> i s t a h <sub>```} 04:59, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

Nur Ali Elahi

The move you did on the Nur Ali Elahi page was very disruptive, against Misplaced Pages policy and vandalism. Please read the talk page and you will understand. There are many Misplaced Pages users and Administrators discussing the name. The majority have agreed on keeping his real name "Nur Ali Elahi", but two Administrators have said you can't have both names. By the way his name was Nur Ali Elahi, not ostad (Master).--Octavian history (talk) 23:24, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

That is a title, so it is fine in paranthesis. I thought to put an end to such triviality after seeing it on Iranian discussion board in Misplaced Pages. --alidoostzadeh (talk) 00:54, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

I completely understand that your intention may have been very good, but your action was extremely disruptive and wrong when the issue is being discussed and under RfC supervision. About the other name, I completely agree with you that the spelling of Sh, instead of Ch sounds better, BUT, his name is Chahrokh Elahi. He is a very well established doctor and musician. That is how he spells his name, just google it and you will see dozens of websites, including Barnes & Noble. You and I can't change the spelling of a persons name just because we don't like it. I want to thank you for adding the farsi alphabet to his name, that was great! Whenever you get a chance, maybe you can do the same with his father Hajj Nematollah? Thank you.--Octavian history (talk) 13:02, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for adding the farsi text, looks better.--Octavian history (talk) 14:35, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

EMail

Hey dude, I don't think I'm using that email account anymore. email me at "amir_jacobi@berkeley.edu". -Amir85 (talk) 06:29, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

Persian and فارسی

Salam. Even though if it be a direct quote, cause the use of more accurate Persian doesn't differ in the meaning of the sentence at all, Don't you think the use of it instead, is better even in this case? User:Tahmasp 1:54 PM Wednesday (GMT)

Yes. I understand. You are right. Tahmasp (talk) 5:35 PM Thursday 12 December 2007 (UTC)

Ordering

If you disagree with the ordering, change that part but do not revert, since you're removing my other edits. I'm editing with all my good faith but you're always doing the same. You're trying to find a single difference that you can criticise and use this as a reason for your revert. I'm always keeping your edits and sources but you're just reverting. E104421 (talk) 18:53, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

A problem in Avicenna's article

Salam, Haletun chetore?

There's a problem in the last edition of "Jagged 85" in Avicenna's article. I put a comment in the talk page and quoted a philosophical discussion in Persian. It's difficult for me to translate it. Can you please help us with it. Of course we don't need a translation but somebody should explain the issue in English.--Seyyed(t-c) 06:23, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

I tried to add another POV .--Seyyed(t-c) —Preceding comment was added at 06:58, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

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Jerusalem

Hi Ali, do you have any comments about Parishan's ridiculous comparaison between Azeri and Persian, claiming that there is as much reason to add Azeri than Persian to the Names of Jerusalem article. The discussion can be found hereVartanM (talk) 21:03, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

Hi Vartan. Thanks for asking. I see there is politics involved in that discussion but I will just concentrate on the history portion. Hopefully once there is peace in the Caucus, I can enter more directly into such discussions but for now let me just concentrate on the history section.

Ali Akbar Dehkoda in his famous dictionary mentions a Persian term “Qebleye-i-Pishinian” which is different than the Arabic Bayt-ul-Moqqadas. Of course the word Qebleh is an Arabic loanword but Persianized. Anyhow according to Dehkhoda, Qebleyeh-i-Pishinian is used in the Sharaf-Nama which I persume he means the Sharaf-Nama of the Persian poet Nizami Ganjavi (since I do not think he was referencing the Sharafnama of Sharif Khan Bitlisi which is a book about the origin of Kurds written I believe in the 15th/16th century). Also Bayt-ol-Muqqadas is used in the Safarnameh of the Persian poet Nasir Khusraw. Nizami Ganjavi mentions Bayt-ul-Moqqadass which is Arabic loan word: نظامی گنجوی: چو از قدسیان این حکایت شنید عنان سوی بیت المقدس کشید Interestingly the Safar Nama of Nasir Khusraw mentions Armenians several time. One is about the city of Ikhlat in modern Turkey and he says the people speak Arabic, Persian and Armenian. By Persian, I assume he means a form of Daylamite, Zaza or Kurdish and probably not Khorasani Persian. But he also I believe mentions the Armenian quarters of Jerusalem. Anyhow, the term has been in Persian at least for a thousand year or so. Nevertheless Bayt -ol-Moqqaddas is Arabic. So we can mention Bayt-ol-Moqqadas entered through Arabic in Persian, Urdu, Hindi Bengali, Gujari, Azeri, Punjabi, Pashtu, Kurdish. But the native Persian word "Qebleyeh Pishiniyaan" is a Persian innovation and Pishiniyaan (the past ones) here is in reference to the fact that the Qibla (prayer direction) of Muslims was changed from Jerusalem to Mecca based on a decree that is in the holy Qur'an. I don't think we can find such an example in other Islamic languages but I might be wrong. So with this regard Azeri, Urdu, Hindi are probably slightly different since I do not believe in their classical literature, they have another term. Where-as Persian has another term, but the Arabic borrowed term is in the current document. Perhaps a solution would be to mention the Arabic term has entered Persian, Azeri, Kurdish, Hindi, Turkish, Urdu and etc. But now those terms are native to the language just like the word computer is not really English but has its root in Latin or French, but nevertheless it has entered most languages of the world. I might add the Persian term for it another time. Infact now that I look at the article, virtually all the names except the several Hebrew/Arabic versions are from Hebrew/Arabic. I think the solution is simply leave both names since there are also Azeri-Turkish (I think this is a more clear name for the language rather than Azari Old Azari language]) Islamic documents and they have used Qods. Parishan might have not known there was a classical Persian innovation for the term (Qebleye-Pishinian) but at the same time, if Qods has been used in Azeri-Turkish for two to five hundred years, then it is native word. --alidoostzadeh (talk) 21:50, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

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map issue

Dear Ali doostzadeh

when you are telling you don’t care. It is not good statement for a postdoc and researcher like you. Don’t think people in Europe and America accepts ideas based on caring or not caring. If you show them evidences, they accept. You know that Ancient Iranian Azerbaijan is where based on historical maps. Suppose you don’t accept Encyclopedia Iranica, Britannica, Joshua, Ethologue.com, The Encyclopedia Americana, Misplaced Pages articles about Azerbaijan (Iran), West Azarbaijan Province of Iran, cities with majority azeris, Urmia, khoy, Naghadeh, Salmas and Chaldoran ((Siahcheshmeh), please let Misplaced Pages users know you accept which references. If you accept Misplaced Pages which you are acting as an editor for that, look your favorite map and see why it is wrong and misleading. If you agree that it is misleading, don’t restore it to the Azerbaijani Language article. You told me that I attribute my own map to an Encyclopedia it is not the right thing to do. It means that you can add misleading map, but it cannot reflect facts mentioned in historical maps and Misplaced Pages articles, Iranica, Britannica, Joshua, Ethologue.com, The Encyclopedia Americana into a revised mp. If you think that Azeri people and me will allow Kurdish lovers like you, Ali doostzadeh and I should inform you that never. I myself will continue debating with you and your close friend Ali doostzadeh to overcome your resistance to not provide acceptable historical evidences which agree with Misplaced Pages articles, , Iranica, Britannica, Joshua, Ethologue.com, The Encyclopedia Americana, etc. why you force wrong map which includes West Azarbaijan Province of Iran, cities with majority azeris, Urmia, khoy, Naghadeh, Salmas and Chaldoran ((Siahcheshmeh) in Kurdistan. I provided lots of historical and current facts that your map is wrong. I and other Azeris wait to see your evidence to reject our facts. User Iranli74: Iranli74, 9:40, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

Thanks. But as you know, Iranica, Britannica..none of them mention the major component of the city. I do not think labels help. Just note though, there are academic maps like this . An alternative map should also be academic. My solution is to simply avoid the issue and remove such maps or show the area with dash (mixed primarily Azeri/Kurdish). This way there won't be an issue. --alidoostzadeh (talk) 08:00, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

Dear Ali doostzadeh

Thank you for your answer. I am not telling there is no any kurd in West Azarbaijan Province of Iran. Iranica, Britannica, Misplaced Pages, etc. tells arezis are majority and kurds are minority in cities Urmia, khoy, Naghadeh, Salmas and Chaldoran ((Siahcheshmeh), Miandoab,etc. When you refer the map 1, why not map , iran_peoples? So, you came to the point that parishan added map is wrong? Why you don’t ask Alex Bakharev to remove misleading map from article Azerbaijani language article? To be honest Azeries will never allow Misplaced Pages to keep that wrong map in its articles which contradicts with its articles about Urmia, khoy, Naghadeh, Salmas and Chaldoran ((Siahcheshmeh), Miandoab, etc. They want Misplaced Pages administrators/editors to be responsible to issues/maps published in its web-page. They will defend themselves in virtual and real worlds and never allow kurds to claim non-sense claims which has no historical roots. Iranian Azeris which are at least 24% of Iran population will never allow 7% kurds to take micro-piece of their land. They have powerful economical and army bases in Iran while kurds have very small milishias. Azeris want to leave in peace and they don’t want to use their power. They are cool people. They don’t have critical problems with kurds except these kinds of claims coming from Kurdish nationalist living outside of Iran. We know our historical borders and no need to fight each other. We all belong to Iran. Good luck

User Iranli74: Iranli74, 2:40, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

I got pre-WWI British maps which show ethnographic situation of the area, and actually they show greatest part (more than 80%) of the west azerbaijan province as Kurdish inhabited the rest being inhabited equaly by Christians and turks, which if required alongside other historic maps will add to Misplaced Pages. But unfortunately this user seem to be not worth discussing since he just repeats himself, with no citiations, and insults others. A biased user can accept no logics. Sharishirin (talk) 12:54, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

Dear Sharishirin:

Why you can get a reference which has no internet link to that? show us, don't claim without showing us! it is useless. Again I have to help you how you can contribute in writing/editing an article. When you are stating a point, you should be able to defend your statement by providing an acceptable reference and document. I listed readers bunch of reference and people can go an read them if they are interested. Again you are missing point when I am telling highland of west Azerbaijan is a sparse/army area. It doesn’t mean people from Kurdish villages go to Salmas, Khoy, etc. They can go anywere in Azerbaijan, Sanandaj, Iraq, etc. If you read Misplaced Pages article about West Azarbaijan Province of Iran, you will see that most cities have majority of Azeris and minority Kurds. Nobody ignore them. Some cities such as Mahabad have majority kurds. But it is inside historical Azerbaijan from the past till now. You may be not happy about that, but it is the fact. One more point don’t mislead us most part of West Azarbaijan Province of Iran is not highland and it have lots of cities. If you read for instance Misplaced Pages article about West Azarbaijan Province of Iran, take population of cities and find which ethnic is majority by doing little mathematics you will conclude Azeris are majority. Misplaced Pages article about West Azarbaijan Province of Iran includes statistics of each city and information about majority ethnic of each city. Americana doesn’t say Lake urmia is inside what you call Kurdistan. I am very careful what I am stating to avoid any contradiction. Come back and read my answer again. One friendly advice, don’t state something without any documented reference and provide your references for reader by giving hyperlink.

User Iranli74: Iranli74, 2:40, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

Guys thanks for the discussion on the talkpage. Also Iranli74 is using a more civil language which is welcoming. But the last two or three sentences seems like a threat. So we need to stop that or else they can be reported. Again civil language is a necessity in Misplaced Pages, because uncivil language will get you banned. So I thank the portions of Iranli74's sentences that were civi. Note "Kurdish lover", "Persian Chauvinists" etc. or labeling people by their ethnicity is not part of Misplaced Pages and can easily get you banned after one or two times. Also a Misplaced Pages article can not be used a reference for argument. I have friends from the area and I have went to different forums that discuss the issue. My research might differ with Iranli74s. My suggestion is simply to show the area of West Azerbaijan as a dashed region. As you can tell from the archives of West Azerbaijan province article, the issue has come up a million of times. And it is unsolvable since there has not been a census (thank God) based on background. So we have wide ranging estimates showing Azeris from 14% to 30%. or Baluch from 1% to 4%. etc. These things will not help our country and we are already way behind the caravan of civilization. For me the area is Iran. Specially in a city of Urmia which has always been a peaceful symbol of co-existence between Kurds, Azeris, Armenians, Assyrians and other immigrants (mainly Shomali/Central Iran). So that is the positive image we should show to Westerners. How in a city like Urmia, Azeris, Armenians, Kurds, Assyrians and other immigrants are living peacefully together where-as just up north to the border, or west in Turkey, we have ethnic animosity. This is an important point. Just look at the neighboring countries where this is not the case. So this really shows the greatness of our common culture. So if there is a demographic map, lets just show it as dashed. I am not going to get involved more in this discussion, but ultimately if this sort of thing ends in edit wars, r.v.'s and etc., it will not go anywhere except higher powers in Misplaced Pages will say show it as dashed. So before it goes there, I think showing it as dashed is the best solution. Also we are not allowed to make maps in Misplaced Pages. But perhaps if Iranli74 and Sharishirin both agree, then one can make a map showing the region as dashed and this will hopefully solve the problem. Other than that I have no further comments.--alidoostzadeh (talk) 00:57, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

Dear interested users: : Ali doostzadeh suggested following statment:

if there is a demographic map, lets just show it as dashed. I am not going to get involved more in this discussion, but :ultimately if this sort of thing ends in edit wars, r.v.'s and etc., it will not go anywhere except higher powers in :Misplaced Pages will say show it as dashed. So before it goes there, I think showing it as dashed is the best solution. Also we :are not allowed to make maps in Misplaced Pages. one can make a map showing the region as dashed and this will hopefully solve :the problem. Other than that I have no further comments.--alidoostzadeh (talk) 00:57, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

Thanks Ali doostzadeh for your suggestion. I agree with him that demographic maps always should not have any contrary with[REDACTED] articles. For instance map Azerilanguage, critically contradicts with [REDACTED] article about West Azarbaijan Province of Iran which shows all cities are linguistically mixed of Azeris, kurds, Assyrians, except Miandoab (only Azeris) and south-west of the province (only kurds). I will edit map Iran_Azeri_people and will post as an image to the Misplaced Pages and can be referred to articles Azeri language, Azeris, Iranian Azerbaijan, etc. I wish living peaceful for all Iranian and doesn’t matter they are Persian, Azeri, Gilaki and Mazandarani , Kurd, Arab, Lur, Baloch, Turkmen, Assyrian, Armeniran, etc. They all are Iranian and live in great Iran with long history of living its people in peace.

User Iranli74: Iranli74, 10:00, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

Thank you and I completely share your sentiments. I will look forward to your new map (any uncertain area just show as a mixed area). I totally agree with your last statement also. We should remember it is the job of say BBC and some organizations ( even britannica, ethnologue (connected to and etc.), some "intellectuals" that go alone, to stir the ethnic politics in Iran. So you will find one site that has the area as 100% this and another that has it as 100% that. And their goal (some organizations not normal people) is simple. To make enemies out of people who co-exist peacefully, intermarry and have a common history and live side by side. Simply, these organizations want to make bunch of small non-historical and weak countries like Kuwait, Qatar, Azerbaijan/Armenia/Georgia SSR, UAE, Oman, Jordan etc. and then own them. But Iranians are brothers with common history and many commonalities, no matter if they are Lur, Azeri, Kurd, Talysh, Assyrian, Armenian, Turkmen, Baluch,Esfahani, Qazvini, Khorasani, Yazdi, Qashqai, Shomali, Jonubi and etc and even if there are minor problems (no country is perfect even Canada/Belgium/Spain have secessionist movements), they have lived together and will fix their problems without outside interference. As Shahryar said: "Ekhtelaaf lahjeh, Melliyyat Nazaayyad Bahr-i- Kas/Mellati baa Yek Zabaan, Kamtar beh yaad Aarad zamaan". Thanks. --alidoostzadeh (talk) 05:48, 14 January 2008 (UTC)