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== 1000 articles ==
Wikiproject Tropical cyclones has hit '''1000''' articles! Big congrats to Hurricanehink, who published ] and when I checked WikiWork stats this evening, I found the 1000 article was made. So, this pretty much shows how we've expanded in over 2 years. Congrats to everyone, especially on our article making spree!<sup>]</sup><b>]</b><sup>]</sup> 23:16, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

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I just created this wikiproject, after several months of contemplating doing so. I hope everyone working on hurricane articles will get involved. I went ahead and wrote a bunch of guidelines, basically based on current practices...naturally since this is something I just wrote it doesn't necessarily represent community consensus and needs to be discussed. That discussion should probably go here for now...although eventually we may make these pages a little more structured. For a general TODO list, see the "tasks" item on the project page. Jdorje 23:17, 5 October 2005 (UTC)

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Warnings template

I'm putting this here so we can easily copy/paste when we need to put warnings up: 

===Warnings and watches===
{{HurricaneWarnings}}
{{seealso|Tropical cyclone warnings and watches}}
As of X p.m. EDT ] (2100 UTC), the following warnings and watches were in effect:
*Coastal watches and warnings:
** A '''hurricane warning''' is in effect for:
*** x
** A '''hurricane watch''' is in effect for:
*** x
** A '''tropical storm warning''' is in effect for:
*** x
** A '''tropical storm watch''' is in effect for:
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*Inland watches and warnings:
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* See the NHC's 
<div style="clear: both"></div>

Remove the coast/inland part if no inland ones exist. --Golbez 21:05, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

New small template

Currently the de-facto template for the storms in season articles is {{infobox hurricane small}}. This template has a few significant problems suggesting a redesign.

  1. Repetition: it is always used next to a level 3 header with the storm's common name.
  2. Inability to display more than RSMC info; only the SSHS category is shown. This is a particular problem for Australian storms.

I've created a new template using the fundamental layout of {{Infobox Hurricane}} and have an extensive test selection here. Due to the removal of padding around the image, the new template is actually smaller vertically even with two colour bars. It also uses the same parameters and scripting as Infobox Hurricane. The only thing of any substantial value lost is the ability to list all the storm's names in the header; but personally I think it is a change worth making.

Comments?--Nilfanion (talk) 01:10, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

I like it. We can live without not being able to list all the names in the header, and this solves the "single number dilemma" we had with the old template. --Coredesat 01:13, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
I rather liked the single number in the corner, but meh... Titoxd 01:40, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
The problem with that is how to deal with Cyclone Larry?--Nilfanion (talk) 01:46, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
Hence the meh. Titoxd 03:17, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
2007 Pacific typhoon season#Other storms This section in the typhoon articles is very clumsy. One way to resolve it is to put an optional note indicating where the measurements came from instead of calling it JTWC Tropical Storm Blah. Good kitty (talk) 21:58, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
Nice! While we're migrating we could finally finish deprecating {{storm pics}}. --Ajm 06:51, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

Follow-on: Further hacking at this deprecates {{infobox hurricane current}} too (in season articles), it also automatically switches the correct temp symbol now. I'll hack at {{Infobox Hurricane}} to add in the current functionality for storm articles.--Nilfanion (talk) 00:54, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

Its live at {{Infobox Hurricane Small}}. I've added sketchy documentation. Note also I have removed current functionality - making this template do too much is a bad idea.--Nilfanion (talk) 23:06, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

NHEM Disimbiguation Page

I Feel That it would be benefical, if we had a disimbiguation page, that Contained Links to the Seasonal Pages on the main pages and all of the Advisories on the Talk Page, as im sure that other Editors do not realise when we have Storms in the Indian ocean and a storm at the same time in the WPAC for example. Also we have a Disimbiguation page for the SHEM storms so why not the NHEM Storms ? Jason Rees 01:33, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

Let's look at our current state.

Article stats

Most of our high-priority ATL retired storms are in bad condition. Examples include: Stan (2005), Rita (2005), Wilma (2005), Lili (2002), Isidore (2002), Iris (2001) and Michelle (2001). Those are just the newer storms though.

The retired ATL storms (1970-1996) are also in bad condition. Some are B-class, but could still use work. Cesar (1996), Fran (1996), Hortense (1996), Opal (1995), Bob (1991), Diana (1990), Gilbert (1988), Elena (1985), Alicia (1983), Frederic (1979) and Agnes (1972) are among the worst.
From 1950 - 1969: King (1950), Edna, Carol and Hazel (1954), All (4) 1955 retired storms, Gracie (1959), Donna (1960), Carla (1961), Hattie (1961), Cleo (1964), Dora (1964), Hilda (1964), and Betsy (1965) are the worst.
Thanks to Hurricanehink, the EPAC is fine with retired.
WPAC: There are too many articles to account for working.
NIO: Good condition, could still use work.
SHEM: Somewhat better than the WPAC, but could use work.
SATL: Catarina, a possible FA, is still at B-class and could be a very good article if done.

Now to the point

We can fix these articles, but we need ideas of how to get a person or group to choose. So far:

  1. Misplaced Pages talk:WikiProject Tropical cyclone/Adopt-An-Article - With our Article Requests dead, this may not be a bad idea.
  2. Misplaced Pages talk:WikiProject Tropical cyclones/Necessary articles - This could help people choose what articles are needed for high-priority.
  3. Misplaced Pages talk:WikiProject Tropical cyclones/Retired storm articles - This would help cleanup and figuring out what's necessary.

So far these are the three I can think of. Let's discuss these ideas and/or come up with more.32 01:37, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

Part of the problem is that the project is inactive as of late. The first idea is like our collaboration, which failed due to lack of interest in cooperating (which has always been a problem). The second would be just a list of higher importance articles, which is already on the WPTC main page, although I think that the top importance list should be expanded to include the "necessary articles". However, the third isn't too bad of an idea. One problem is that, to my knowledge, there are no retired storms in the Indian Ocean (north or south), and it excludes unnamed storms, but I suppose it wouldn't be too big of a problem, since the most notable storms would either be on the highest importance list, or at least mid or high importance (although storms without an article that also weren't retired would be left off the list). Additionally, the Australian and WPAC sections would include several storms that were either just removed or retired for an unknown reason. Come to think of it, figuring out what is necessary could go on the retired storm articles (Atlantic, Pacific, and Worldwide). Hurricanehink (talk) 02:34, 22 November 2007 (UTC)
Alright, I created Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Tropical cyclones/Vital articles. This should be expanded, particularly in the Southern Hemisphere section. Hurricanehink (talk) 21:36, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

FAR for Galveston Hurricane of 1900

Galveston Hurricane of 1900 has been nominated for a featured article review. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. Please leave your comments and help us to return the article to featured quality. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, articles are moved onto the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Remove" the article from featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Reviewers' concerns are here.--Nilfanion (talk) 23:33, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

JMA 2006 annual report

This came and went without fanfare here, but I'm posting this because there are a lot of articles associated with it Good kitty (talk) 22:07, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

WPTC wikipedia ad

Does the WPTC have a wikipedia ad? Juliancolton (talk) 00:21, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

We're listed in the directory of WikiProjects. I don't think any projects have ads, though. Hurricanehink (talk) 00:11, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
I have seen wikipedia-ads for several wikiprojects, mainly state or road wikiproject. Juliancolton (talk) 20:21, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

Hurricanes

Is it worth creating articles on all of the tropical storms that have developed? Juliancolton (talk) 00:08, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

I don't think that every single tropical cyclone should get an article on their own, but I believe that every single tropical cyclone on record should appear in some sort of a seasonal article. Hurricanehink (talk) 00:11, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
So what about every storm back to 2000, as you have said? Juliancolton (talk) 20:19, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

I don't really think that should be the goal. Back to 2000 might be doable, but there would be little purpose in devoting significant efforts, just so we have another 20 or so articles on forgettable storms. However, I believe a much more worthwhile goal would be to get every retired hurricane to GA status or better. --Hurricanehink (talk) 22:04, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

Ok, so i should just creat articles on storms that did damage. Juliancolton (talk) 00:54, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
Or, preferably, work on existing articles. --Hurricanehink (talk) 18:44, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
Ok. My only problem is I a really not that good at improving articles...I don't think. Juliancolton (talk) 20:39, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

Plea for help regarding wind shear article

I would really appreciate someone from this project looking over the wind shear article and seeing if it's ready for GA. The previous reviewer has apparently left it for dead...it's been a nominee since early October and in limbo ever since. Thegreatdr (talk) 16:23, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

I think it is ready for GA, but that is just my opinion. And aside from that, I still am not quite sure who can and who can't asses articles as GAs or FAs. Juliancolton (talk) 16:59, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

Anyone can. There are pages connected to the GAC statement on the top of the talk page to instruct someone on how to pass an article. There aren't that many steps. Thegreatdr (talk) 17:19, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

So if I think that Wind Shear is ready for GA, I can just assess it as GA? Juliancolton (talk) 17:50, 28 November 2007 (UTC)


Actually, I might have to look at it again. I am starting to think it might not be ready for GA. Well, I will look at it one more time. Juliancolton (talk) 18:45, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

I think it passes. Juliancolton (talk) 18:53, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

Need a PD image for this

Could someone make a version of this map with one of those Blue Marble maps? Also remember to include TCWC Port Moresby in Papua New Guinea (Solomon Sea and Gulf of Papua). Good kitty 18:45, 4 December 2007 (UTC)


Just a thought here

I think we should try to get all of the storm articles of the 2005 Atlantic hurricane season to GA, as most of them are. Then, we could get 2005 atlantic hurricane season to a....What do you call those? Juliancolton (talk) 20:59, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

A featured article? Titoxd 02:16, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
Maybe Julian means featured topic? ---CWY2190 02:20, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
Yea, a featured topic, that's it. Juliancolton (talk) 13:46, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
Well, that wouldn't be that difficult, as most storms are close, or have achieved already, GA status. However, the ones that lack it (Wilma, Rita, Stan) are not easy to improve. Titoxd 20:30, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
Yea, I know. I can look through them and see what I can do, but I don't know how much that will do. I guess i could nominate them one at a time for the Misplaced Pages:Article Collaboration and Improvement Drive but I don't know what that would do either. Juliancolton (talk) 20:45, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
The problem with Wilma, Rita, and Stan is that there is so much information to organize. It should probably be done internally, given our experience with the subject matter. Featured topics take a long time, but this is a doable long-term goal. Hurricanehink (talk) 00:39, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

Remember the List_of_wettest_tropical_cyclones_by_country list page

I just made changes to 11 articles: the current Cuban top 10 rainiest tropical cyclones (including our newest GA article) plus the ST of 1982. If a tropical cyclone went anywhere near any of the countries on the list, it is a good idea to see if there is a relevant rainfall amount on this list that may or may not be within the NHC/JMA/etcetera TCR. This list is very well referenced, in some cases using references from the impacted country's national weather service/weather bureau, which is as good as you can get. Thank you for your time and attention. =) Thegreatdr (talk) 00:26, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the reminder - good idea, and keep up the good work. Hurricanehink (talk) 00:40, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

Hurricane Hugo

Anyone interested in trying to bring Hurricane Hugo up to FA status? If so, let me know. Remember (talk) 15:28, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

I would be happy to help. I am sure we can get it to GA soon, and then put it to PR before the end of the month. :P Juliancolton (talk) 17:29, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

That will likely require subarticles to get to FA. CrazyC83 (talk) 03:31, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
Not really. Juliancolton (talk) 13:56, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
Ok, here is the plan.
  • References in just about every part, especially the storm section, where there isn't even one.
  • 2-3 paragraph lede.
  • More in-depth history section.
  • More Info

Lets work on those parts for now, and then we go to the minor details. Get to work. :) Juliancolton (talk) 14:00, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

List of category 4 Atlantic hurricanes

Could someone look at List of category 4 Atlantic hurricanes and see if it is B yet. Juliancolton (talk) 17:31, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

At the very least, the 'unnamed' hurricanes in the table need years mentioned in the table. --Golbez (talk) 03:54, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
Done. What about now? Juliancolton (talk) 13:48, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

Cyclone1 retires.

I think it's time for me to retire from the WPTC and Misplaced Pages. It's been fun guys, and I've enjoyed it. But, I never edit anymore so, bye! Cyclone1(21:21-13-12-2007), see ya at Storm2k. —Preceding comment was added at 21:21, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

We'll miss you :) Juliancolton (talk) 21:24, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
Cya man.32 21:25, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
Ok Goodbye. Jason Rees (talk) 21:56, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

FAR for Meteorological history of Hurricane Ivan

Meteorological history of Hurricane Ivan has been nominated for a featured article review. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. Please leave your comments and help us to return the article to featured quality. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, articles are moved onto the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Remove" the article from featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Reviewers' concerns are here.--Nilfanion (talk) 01:14, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

Project Refresh

At this point in time there are 87 supposed participants in WP:TC. However in a quick review i conducted nearly three quarters of these no longer edit on this project. At least 10 havnt edited a mainspace article in over 9 months. The rest are editing elsewhere on wiki. what do you all think needs doing? do we do a recall almost and see who wants to come back to this project and get some good articles out again? Seddon69 (talk) 03:23, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

I agree with that. I think we should send a message to all of the members to see if they're still interested in the project, and then we could have a place for them to indicate they are still here (perhaps just comment on here). If they don't comment within, say, a month, then they'll be placed on inactive members of the Wikiproject (separate from former members). --Hurricanehink (talk) 04:09, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
I'm still interested. The wind shear GA continues to tie up the limited time I have nowadays for the project (at least it's related). Hopefully it will earn GA sometime soon and I can return to editing more of the TC articles than I have during the past four or five months. Thegreatdr (talk) 04:15, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
I agree. I think we should send a message on the users' talk page, and see if they are still interested. Don't send me one of those, I am as active with the project as I ever was. :) Juliancolton (talk) 16:34, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
I've been most active on current storms, and recently was doing a lot on the 2007 storms that had yet to have articles. CrazyC83 (talk) 20:46, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

Active users

  1. --Hurricanehink (talk) 18:29, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
  2. --32 18:30, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
  3. -- RattleMan 18:31, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
  4. --Juliancolton (talk) 18:34, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
  5. --Miss Madeline | Talk to Madeline 18:42, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
  6. --Seddon69 (talk · contribs)18:49, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
  7. --§HurricaneERICarchive 18:54, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
  8. --The great kawa (talk) 19:10, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
  9. --Golbez (talk) 19:14, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
  10. --icelandic hurricane #12(talk) 19:22, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
  11. --Son (talk) 19:37, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
  12. —AySz88\^-^ 19:50, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
  13. --CWY2190 19:54, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
  14. --~AH1 20:21, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
  15. --CrazyC83 (talk) 20:45, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
  16. --Jamie|C 23:01, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
  17. --Evolauxia (talk) 23:16, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
  18. --Ajm 23:18, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
  19. --IrfanFaiz 23:50, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
  20. --Jason Rees (talk) 01:31, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
  21. --Thegreatdr (talk) 02:47, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
  22. — jdorje (talk)
  23. -WxHalo(T/C)03:42, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
  24. --Hello32020 (talk) 03:57, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
  25. --Tennis expert (talk) 06:00, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
  26. --typhoonchaser 09:37, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
  27. --Storm05 (talk) 13:19, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
  28. --The Canadian Roadgeek (Formerly Smcafirst) (talk) 15:18, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
  29. --Senorpepr (talk) 02:39, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
  30. --SpLoT // 16:15, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
  31. --Ugaap (talk) 13:18, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
  32. --Slysplace | 23:24, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
  33. --RaNdOm26 (talk) 07:23, 22 December 2007 (UTC)
  34. --Jake52 My island 05:15, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

Hurricane Marco (1996)

Is this article good enough to publish? Juliancolton (talk) 16:36, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

No. Not in its current condition. It needs an overall copy-edit and expansion.32 16:39, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
and a track map :) Seddon69 (talk) 19:02, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
It has a track map. Mostly it looks fine to me so it should be ready to publish soon. Thanks. ~AH1 20:23, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
I will do that now. Juliancolton (talk) 21:44, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

Reinstating the Newsletter

Project members have been talking on IRC and have come up with the idea for reinstating the newsletter. Here's what we need to figure:

  1. How many times a year? Nilfanion's original was monthly.
  2. What do we put in it?
  3. Who should work on it?
  4. How should it look? Like the original? Brand new?

Let the discussion start. (I'll put my opinion in at a later time.) 32 21:14, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

Yes, reinstart it. Monthly, and keep the Hurricane Herald name. Juliancolton (talk) 21:43, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

Monthly would probably work. I'd like to see storms in the previous month (with one selected storm with an image), articles that got to FA status, selected articles that got to A or GA, articles in the news or DYK'd, and maybe some news pieces (like for January one it could be a summary of the 2007 season, May could have info on the WMO meeting, particularly retirees). IDK, we should work on it, and I wouldn't mind if it looked like the original one. --Hurricanehink (talk) 21:58, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
And lets not forget User of the month. Juliancolton (talk) 22:01, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
Actually, I intentionally omitted that. I don't really like that idea. --Hurricanehink (talk) 22:11, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
Why not? That was my goal. Juliancolton (talk) 22:19, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
I think it creates an unnecessary hierarchy, and it discourages the idea of community work. --Hurricanehink (talk) 00:40, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
It could encourage competition amongst the members and increase the amount of work done within the project. If it is done, it needs to be based on the work done the previous month only. Thegreatdr (talk) 02:50, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
True, it could encourage competition, but it didn't really work that way last time. Granted, it could be different this time. I'm not sure, but I'd like to see more output in general before doing a MotM for that reason. --Hurricanehink (talk) 02:52, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
And if we do make a Member of the month section, then that, IMO, will get more articles worked on, especially because typically, the member of the month has at least 1 FA, so everybody will have an incentive to do some wrok on articles. Juliancolton (talk) 19:48, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
That seems a bit misconstrued. When we had the MotM last time, it hardly increased the workload. Furthermore, only six users in the project have brought an article to FA status and taken it through FA. There is still an obvious incentive to work on articles, such as barnstars, placement on lists like these, and userboxes. Primarily, as I've said before, I believe it creates an unnecessary hierarchy. --Hurricanehink (talk) 05:11, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
I'd have to agree with Hink on this point. - SpLoT // 05:48, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
And it dosn't matter if it discourages community work. The community hates me as a user! Juliancolton (talk) 02:08, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

1988 Atlantic hurricane season FAC

If there is anyone able to review this FAC article it would be much appreciated. Seddon69 (talk) 21:31, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

I think you should change the rolling ref list to a plain ref list. This has been a debatable issue for many FACs. Juliancolton (talk) 21:37, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

Effects of tropical cyclones GAC

This article, after a bit of expansion since May, has been resubmitted as a GA nominee. Any opinions and suggestions will be appreciated. Thegreatdr (talk) 21:56, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

Too much empty space in the lede. Juliancolton (talk) 00:53, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

Hurricane Felix

Now, why is Felix still start? It looks like at least B and maybe...MAYBE GA. Juliancolton (talk) 23:32, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

The NHC TC Report hasn't been released yet. Although I don't have any particular reason to expect drastic changes, it is still necessary to make a "complete" article for a recent system, as the NHC has further details on impact, stats, etc, that we currently don't know. Miss Madeline | Talk to Madeline 00:28, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
I plan to improve it to FA when that comes out. Is that an achievable goal? Juliancolton (talk) 00:42, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
It is achievable, if you put effort into it. Until the report comes out, might I suggest expanding project stubs. Miss Madeline | Talk to Madeline 01:10, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
THe list of stubs are mostly seasons. I am not good at them. Juliancolton (talk) 14:09, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
Seasons only require a paragraph on each storm, to start with. It's a good thing to raise a stub to a start. Thegreatdr (talk) 22:40, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

NHC update (1968-1970)

Just a little news update for project members. The NHC added a new set of articles for their archives, which is contained in this new link. There are 40 sets, some of which including satellite images, preliminary reports, and local storm reports, and which is formatted like the 1991-1995 and 1958-early 1960s periods. For your convenience, I've labeled each one. --♬♩ Hurricanehink (talk) 04:02, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

  • There's a #0, which is for 1969's Tropical Storm Anna
  1. Subarchives, which contains one for Anna, Blanche, Camille, Debbie, Eve, Francelia, Gerda, Holly, and Inga
  2. 1969's Hurricane Blanche
  3. 1969's Hurricane Camille
  4. Also Camille
  5. 1969's Hurricane Francelia
  6. 1969's Hurricane Inga
  7. 1969's Tropical Storm Eve
  8. 1969's Hurricane Debbie
  9. 1969's Hurricane Gerda
  10. 1969's Hurricane Holly
  11. 1969's Hurricane Inga
  12. 1969's Hurricane Inga and Tropical Storm Jenny
  13. 1969's Hurricane Laurie
  14. 1969's Hurricane Martha
  15. 1969's "TD #9"
  16. 1969's "TD #13"
  17. 1969's "TD #15"
  18. 1969's "TD #29"
  19. 1969's "TD #31"
  20. 1969's "TD #32"
  21. 1969's "TD #12"
  22. 1969's "TD #8"
  23. 1969's "TD #7"
  24. 1969's "TD #21"
  25. 1969's Hurricane Inga, Tropical Storm Jenny, Hurricane Kara, and Hurricane Laurie
  26. 1968's Hurricane Dolly
  27. 1968's Tropical Storm Candy
  28. 1968's Tropical Storm Edna
  29. 1968's Hurricane Abby
  30. 1970's Hurricane Alma
  31. 1970's Tropical Storm Becky
  32. 1970's Tropical Storm Dorothy
  33. 1970's Hurricane Celia
  34. 1970's Hurricane Ella
  35. 1970's Tropical Storm Felice
  36. 1970's Tropical Storm Greta
  37. 1970's "TD #35"
  38. 1970's "TD #37" - Hurricane #9
  39. 1970's "TD #21" - Tropical Storm #4
  40. 1970's Tropical Disturbance

Proposal for change in categories

I propose creating categories, at least for the Atlantic and Pacific, that identifies a storm by basin and strength? Categories would be Category:Category 5 Atlantic hurricanes, Category:Category 4 Atlantic hurricanes, ... Category:Atlantic tropical depressions, as well as its Pacific hurricane counterparts. The categories themselves can link to both Category:Category 5 tropical cyclones and Category: Atlantic hurricanes. Any objections? --♬♩ Hurricanehink (talk) 23:21, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

Agree, it would significantly help in the navigation of, and general browsing of storms. I also have no discrepancies about a depression category as there are few main articles about tropical depression depressions. Seddon69 (talk) 00:02, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
Alright, they have been created for TS through Cat. 5 for Atlantic and EPAC. --♬♩ Hurricanehink (talk) 05:41, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
Considering Category:Tropical depressions, should Atlantic named storms that cross into the eastern Pacific but stay depressions there be included in that category? It is entirely correct to say that Hurricane Anita is an eastern Pacific tropical cyclone, although it doesn't happen to be a named one. Should systems like that be included in the tropical depressions category? (We do not have and do not need a Category:Atlantic tropical depressions). Yesterday, I added Hurricane Debby (1988) to that category, and I thought it would be good to ask for input before removing it/adding other systems. Miss Madeline | Talk to Madeline 04:19, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
As of now, there are only four articles on tropical depressions (as peak intensity), which should be kept in Category:Tropical depressions. Having a hurricane in a tropical depression might be confusing, so what about putting it in the generic Category:Pacific hurricanes? That is largely populated with dabs (which I'm discussing below), and seems appropriate. --♬♩ Hurricanehink (talk) 05:12, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
Dabs

Next on the list is TC dabs. What about creating Category:Atlantic hurricane disambiguation and Category:Pacific hurricane disambiguation? Right now, the Atlantic dabs are in the generic Category:Atlantic hurricanes. It doesn't do much good for categorization purposes to have a generic category to be filled with too much of one thing, so I'm just bringing it up here. --♬♩ Hurricanehink (talk) 05:12, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

As long as you already split the main storm articles up, it's best to split these off as well. — jdorje (talk) 04:54, 12 January 2008 (UTC)
What do you think would be the best way to do so? I was imagining at first to simply change the category from Atlantic hurricanes to Atlantic hurricane disambiguation, but unfortunately the {{hurricane disambig}} template automatically links to Category:Tropical cyclone disambiguation. --♬♩ Hurricanehink (talk) 05:12, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

Infobox Continuity Down under and across the world

A discussion on IRC and a little bit of browsing has revealed that a problem has occurred with the infoboxes on an Australian article. More specifically the 2004-05 Australian region cyclone season. It seems that some infoboxes are being given a SSHS cat based on 10-min mean in some places and 1-min mean in others. Here are the problems on this one page:

  • This tropical low has been rated as a Tropical Storm when its 10-min mean is only 30kt but its 1 min-mean was 35kt with the JWTC
  • has been put down in the info box as being a Tropical Storm when its clearly a cat 3 (assuming SSHS scale for 10 min) but this might be just an error.

There may be other errors but i have yet to get a chance to look.

The questions i would like to raise are:

  • whether firstly should the infoboxes be all SSHS when this is something that is applied purely as a wikipedia basis and instead follow the scales used by the offical warning centers.
  • If SSHS is going to be used in other basins should the official 10-min mean be used for SSHS or a 1-min mean value?
This is wat has been going on in the Wpac as well - i have been told that where it says intensity on the Infobox is where the offical Data belongs (ie JMA/BOM/NADI/ETC) and the Number Cat is where the JTWC Data Belongs. Jason Rees (talk) 22:51, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
This is a real dilemma. I think if SSHS is going to be used, it should be used with the 1-min winds, as the scale was meant for 1-min winds. Additionally, we should be careful what we call a tropical storm, as not every basin has the same level. That said, what do we use for the SSHS? On one hand, SSHS is used by the NHC, and the JTWC is closer to the NHC than the JMA is; thus, since JTWC does use 1-min winds, it might seem logical to use JTWC's winds, since using SSHS in non-NHC basins is unofficial anyway. On the other hand, it would be slightly more official if we used the converted 10-min values from the local RSMC. I'm leaning more toward JTWC's values, I think, though my mind has vacillated enough for me not to trust my opinion. --♬♩ Hurricanehink (talk) 04:34, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

Mid-Level eye article becomes Bounded weak echo region

It was proposed some months back to merge this article into the eye article. I renamed it to the term used within severe weather circles, BWER, which allowed me to include it into the severe weather project, as well as include references to a couple "landphoon" cases (without using the term) over the United States. It no longer has the stub (due to its expansion) or citation tags (due to the inclusion of references), though more references are needed for the pre-existing portion which have been tagged with fact. Let me know if this is a suitable alternative, and if so, we need to eliminate the merge tag from the TC project on its talk page. To whomever started the article, if you can remember where a few of your references were from, it would be appreciated if you included them within the article. Thegreatdr (talk) 22:41, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

Yea, that's a good alternative. --♬♩ Hurricanehink (talk) 04:20, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

Dual disambiguation and cross-basin disambiguation

This came up in an IRC talk today after I noticed (again) Tropical Storm Wilma (disambiguation). See Misplaced Pages:WikiProject_Tropical_cyclones/Merging#Orphaned_or_dual_disambiguations. There are a few underlying issues.

And another bit of background: I realized the other day that our disambiguation pages ("TC dab") are actually set index articles. This is a specific type of disambiguation, with specific guidelines of its own that allow the article to be more than a simple disambiguation is normally expected to be.

We should link storms from the main name article; for instance Wilma should have links to the storms named Wilma. This is not a set index article however and does not need to give details or link to all 19 named storms when there's already a set index article (i.e. wikiproject disambiguation page) to do so. TC dab articles should exist whenever a name is used 3 or more types; when a name is used only once a single link is necessary; the only problem then is when a name is used twice and both articles (or season articles) must be linked.

In my opinion when a name is only used twice and at least one of the storms has its own article, there should not be a disambiguation article. A simple {{dablink}} at the start of the main article, with sufficient redirects, will do (hink has an alternate suggestion here, allowing the link to be included in the "see also" if there is low possibility for ambiguity as with cross-basin storms). When a name is used three or more times a TC dab should be made.

Hmm, I think I had some more thoughts on the matter but nothing comes to mind now. For the moment I'm going to fix wilma (as discussed on the merge page).

— jdorje (talk) 04:36, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

Last season in the WPac I usually created a dab page when a name was used for a second time. This has created several of the sort of dab pages you talk about, such as Typhoon Chanchu (disambiguation). The reason I created these sorts of pages was because (usually) when the system formed I had no idea what the second system with that name would do. Hence, I agree that duodabs should be PRODed if one system is retired. I disagree on twice-used names where one has an article but is not retired. I believe that Tropical Storm Melissa is an example; the recent Tropical Storm Melissa (2007) has an article; there was also a Supertyphoon Melissa in 1994. I don't expect the name Melissa to be retired and I don't think anyone here seriously thinks so either. I don't think that page should be deleted. Basically, delete the duodabs where one storm is retired but keep the other. Should this result in new ones in this situation, they can always be PRODed after retirement of the name due to the second storm using it. Miss Madeline | Talk to Madeline 05:58, 12 January 2008 (UTC)
I think if a dab page exists for a name used only twice, but the name is still in the rotation, it should still be kept. Also, given that they are "set index articles", my personal preference would be for the dab pages to be linked in the see also section. First, I doubt there is much ambiguity in the page Hurricane Dennis (1981) for other storms named Dennis, and secondly, I don't like how list of notable tropical cyclones is the standard link for the see also section. Here are dabs for names used only twice, with one being retired.

I'd like if those were redirected to the retired articles, with the other storm linked in the See Also section. --♬♩ Hurricanehink (talk) 04:19, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

NCDC references

This seems to be a problem, for any article I have looked at with NCDC references, the name of the reference is always wrong. For example, from Hurricane Isabel:

  1. NCDC (2003). "Event Report for Vermont (4)". Retrieved 2007-01-31.

. It says report for Vermont, but the page comes up as a storm report for Arkansas. All of the NCDC references in Hurricane Isabel are wrong, as well as many other articles. How do we fix this? Juliancolton (talk) 16:15, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

It's not fixable. NCDC is always adding new reports to their list. For the correct reports, one will have to go through the archive to find them, which is really not that difficult. --♬♩ Hurricanehink (talk) 16:36, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

Track maps

Hi, I am translating 2007 Pacific typhoon season into the German WP. I'd like to ask for the track maps since it seems that only the first four storms do have one. Without having the ability to work them out for myself, is here anyone to help with that? --Matthiasb-DE (talk) 20:24, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

I don't believe the best track is available yet for the season. I believe track maps could be created, using operational data, but given it is already January, and the best track will probably be out in a few months, it might be best to wait until the best track comes out. --♬♩ Hurricanehink (talk) 04:00, 15 January 2008 (UTC)
JMA best track data is now available Here for 2007

Jason Rees (talk) 16:19, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Seasonal track maps

We don't really have any real policy on this, but what sort of track map should we be using? Some articles use the track map generated one (with the blue marble background), while others use the NHC one. The track map one has the benefit of centering on the activity of the season; that is, unlike NHC's, it shows the full paths of each storm, and it is also in the same format as the track maps. On the other hand, the NHC maps has the labels for each storm. Does anyone have a preference? Should we have a set policy? --♬♩ Hurricanehink (talk) 02:29, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

Which is more important, the cluster at the right or the mostly empty space in the middle?
I prefer the NHC maps. I think that they are easier to read and follow for several reasons. They have labels. The lines are continuous and easier to follow. The lines are thick, again making them easier to follow. Our maps also include irrelevant info in having too many colours used for the land. The maps would be easier to use if they were not based on a photograph but instead a map; the land could be one shade of beige, and the ocean light green. Also, the geogrid lines make it easier to tell where a particular storm is. That is impossible on our current maps because they don't have lines of latitude and longitude (but they don't have to). The main reason the NHC's maps are better is theit "box" outside of which storms are ommitted is in a better position. Consider the example map (of the 1992 EPac season). It shows the full path of every system. While this does give a good idea of what storm went where place, the "outreaching" Ekeka makes the center of the box basically be near the middle of nowhere. This scaling compresses the storms in the EPac proper, making them harder to read and follow. I don't mean to diminish Iniki's impact in Hawaii, but the map would be easier to use if the "outreachers" were simply allowed to run off or simply omitted, excluding Ekeka and Hali (or even Iniki westernmost part). Any "outreaching" systems could be given an inset or left out. The same sort of reasoning applies to the Atlantic, where "outreaching" extratropical stages are allowed to go off the map or given an inset a la Ana and Faith.
The essential point is that our maps are "zoomed out", while the NHC's are "zoomed in". The zooming in allows enough extra room for labels at a reasonable size; our maps are too large to allow reasonably-sized labels at a usefully small size. BTW, I think that the NHC uses a conic projection for the Atlantic because of a need to minimize distortion; Since the size of the Atlantic basin (in terms of where hurricanes go) is substantially bigger, a fancy projection is needed.
To get to the point, we should only use our maps when there is no alternative from the NHC. Miss Madeline | Talk to Madeline 07:39, 15 January 2008 (UTC)
Hmm, that's a good point for the EPAC seasons, and I suppose that's a good reason to keep using the NHC's maps. --♬♩ Hurricanehink (talk) 22:25, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

Conversion templates

For a while I've been wanting to make a set of conversion templates for updating active tropical cyclones. I believe I have finally come up with a workable system.

So take a look at it. If you find any errors, tell me and I will see what I can do. Give some comments please on if you think we should use this template and if so, what name should it have. The shorter the better as it will be on the page many times. ---CWY2190 00:48, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

Sweet. Unfortunately, I'm wondering whether it is redundant with Template:Convert. --♬♩ Hurricanehink (talk) 22:43, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
A few reasons why I think it is needed. First, you can't round to the nearest 5 units like we do with winds and distance. Second, unless I'm mistaken, Template:Convert can't convert something like this: xxx nm (xxx km, xxx mi). You can only do xxx nm (xxx km). ---CWY2190 22:59, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
Thanks for explaining the differences. Well, it seems to work well. What about Template:WPTC convert, something simple like that, for a name? Also, one thing - is there a way so it does not wikilink every time? Having links to mph 20 times in one page would get a little excessive. --♬♩ Hurricanehink (talk) 23:09, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
That is one issue. Plus if you look at movement in the info box, it adds an unneeded break. ---CWY2190 23:28, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
Darn, have you tried fixing it? Or, perhaps, we could ask for help? I'm sure there is a group of editors with the know-how to help perfect it. --♬♩ Hurricanehink (talk) 00:07, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
I found a fix. In stead of typing "west-northwest at {{WPTC convert=NHCspeed|number=8}}", you can type "{{WPTC convert=NHCspeed|direction=WNW|number=8}}" and get the same thing, but it won't put the break in. It will link to boxing the compass.

Typhoon archives

Hey, I was planning on creating a hurricane article for either the WPAC or the South west Indian ocean, but I can't find any storm archives. Any idea where I can find those? Thanks. Juliancolton (talk) 17:00, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Tropical cyclones/Statistics

I propose creating a statistics page for the project. I think it'd be neat to have, and it could separate data by basin, by types of articles, and it could include a little statistic by the WP:USRD called WikiWork. I don't think it'd be too controversial, so any comments? --♬♩ Hurricanehink (talk) 22:29, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

I like the idea. As it is now, someone runs the stats and posts them on this page every several months, Titoxd if I remember correctly. It would be nice to have a page for them. Thegreatdr (talk) 22:36, 19 January 2008 (UTC)
Cool, I took a stab at it. --♬♩ Hurricanehink (talk) 23:24, 19 January 2008 (UTC)
I'd like to see stats of the non-individual storm articles separated out to see how steady/unsteady their improvement has been over time. Thegreatdr (talk) 22:21, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
Sounds good. I'll add that when we get closer to the end of the month. ♬♩ Hurricanehink (talk) 17:43, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

1000 articles

Wikiproject Tropical cyclones has hit 1000 articles! Big congrats to Hurricanehink, who published Cyclone Elita and when I checked WikiWork stats this evening, I found the 1000 article was made. So, this pretty much shows how we've expanded in over 2 years. Congrats to everyone, especially on our article making spree!32 23:16, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

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