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Leave your comments at the bottom and I'll get back to you as soon as I can. --Slarti (1992) 22:59, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

TEG

Hi.

I have read your comment about TEG in the article´s talk page; I agree with you about the name and that the article not being a stub anymore would be better... (auctaully, the article now is not a stub)

I am also argentine (well, auctually semi-argentine, since I was not born there, but I live in Argentina, have spanish as a native language and am into its culture...) and also own the same version of the game as you, so I would like to cooperate with you on expanding the article... So, feel free to make any edits to it; since you and I own the game, we can surely add lots of information to TEG...

--TomasBat 15:00, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

I have taken some images with a digital camera of the board, the cover, the cards, the die, etc. I will soon upload these images and insert them on the TEG article. --TomasBat (Talk) 12:32, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

Glad to hear from you again! It´s quite a good thing that we can work together on improving this article...

Happy Editing and Good Luck... --TomasBat (Talk) 02:40, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

Note: It would be a lot better if you were to create yourself a userpage, that way I could contact you more easily...

Auctually yes; I know of that school... Why did you ask? --TomasBat (@)(Sign) 17:13, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

Yes, I am Tomás Batalla... Who are you? --TomasBat (@)(Sign) 01:35, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

Yo tampoco sabía que estabas registrado en Misplaced Pages! Y que tenías el TEG! Vaya coincidencia! Bueno, podremos continuar con el artículo de TEG (board game) para mejorarlo aún más... Realmente no me imaginaba que eras vos! --TomasBat (@)(Sign) 02:29, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

Seguís Editando

Hola. Seguís editando aca en Misplaced Pages? ♠TomasBat (@)(Contribs)(Sign!) 01:04, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

Infocentral

Hola Bruno hice un wiki. Es este: . Chau... ♠TomasBat (@)(Contribs)(Sign!) 13:26, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

About Mindscript

Yeah, I can see you added citations missing templates to many articles... If you had the time to tag the Mindscript article, you probably also have the time to help get the citations for that article, since the citations needed bit was well known by people working on that article, which might be five at most. That article really needs some help... Slartibartfast1992 22:46, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

I'm lazy. T-1 17:03, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

First of all, answer in my talk page or else I don't know whether you answered or not. I don't get the "You have a new message" if you just write it on your talk page. Seems like the first thing you did after getting a Misplaced Pages user was tagging all those articles, and it should be pretty embarassing to hear that after having a user for nearly a year. Second, and more importantly, just putting tags on pages and not actually helping to make the article better is not contributing. It's just being a (quoting my native language) reverendo pajero. Yes, that was the best way of expressing it. Now, as I was writing, you need to actually help get the citations or else you're just a tagging pest. If you're not gonna help, don't do the useless by tagging an article for something that's known. Mindscript doesn't have many sources since (guess what) it's a relatively new programming language which people haven't tried yet. The only people I know actually frequently use it are the Misplaced Pages user Coredev and I. No more mindscript users that actually know others exist. Hence, not many sources. So, are you going to help, or just uselessly tag articles? Slartibartfast1992 22:52, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

"Second, and more importantly, just putting tags on pages and not actually helping to make the article better is not contributing. It's just being a (quoting my native language) reverendo pajero. Yes, that was the best way of expressing it. Now, as I was writing, you need to actually help get the citations or else you're just a tagging pest. If you're not gonna help, don't do the useless by tagging an article for something that's known.". It's not useless, because otherwise the tags wouldn't exist. "Mindscript doesn't have many sources since (guess what) it's a relatively new programming language which people haven't tried yet. The only people I know actually frequently use it are the Misplaced Pages user Coredev and I. No more mindscript users that actually know others exist. Hence, not many sources." Then the mindscript article is violating Misplaced Pages's policy on notability and verifiability and should be deleted and probably will be. Again, I'm too lazy to do so. Goodbye. T-1 23:35, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

No, not goodbye. There are probably hundreds of thousands of Mindscript users worldwide, but as I stated earlier, not many know others exist, thus they do not communicate. Besides, don't come saying "Misplaced Pages rules" or "standards" when you didn't even know you had to leave messages in the other user's page until yesterday. Also, the only function of tags is informing other users, but here's what goes on in your mind: "why actually work on the article while I can just put tags so let everybody else know that they should work on the article". Work yourself. There are many people dedicated to the Mindscript article but here you come, the useless tagger, put a tag on the article about which content is already known throughout the users of the article before you put the freaking tag there. Help a bit. You definitely fit what you call yourself: lazy. FYI: that's what pajero means, except in a vulgar and degrading way that fits you exactly, for some quite obvious reason. Slartibartfast1992 23:23, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

you're wasting my time and yours, I already covered why. goodbye. T-1 02:29, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

Anda a cagar, pedazo de mierda. Clearly with the humongously tiring edits that you perform, you don't have much time to waste. Tagging articles must really take up your time. Goodbye. Slartibartfast1992 14:23, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

I saw your post.

I saw your post on Gringo and I was thinking to add a section about How us Argentines dont really use the word Gringo we instead use Yankee and it only meaning to someone from the US. How does that sound?(XGustaX 16:17, 20 May 2007 (UTC))

Well, yeah I know what you meant. But I am saying that and Us Argentines really dont use the word Gringo that much, we use Yankee much more often. Which is the "traditional Argentine Spanish" way of Saying it. I was thinking of putting that in the Article.(XGustaX 22:30, 20 May 2007 (UTC))

Maybe because you go to school with a lot of Americans and they use to Mexicans saying that. But generally speaking Us Argentines use Yankee much much more then Gringo. To me that just sounds ""muy Mexicano"". (XGustaX 22:35, 20 May 2007 (UTC))

The fact of the matter is Gringo sounds just that "muy Mejicano", especially in Argentina. If you dont think so then you are mistaken since "mexicano" you are right is also. (XGustaX 22:43, 20 May 2007 (UTC))

Bueno. (XGustaX 23:29, 20 May 2007 (UTC))

OK,

I think I closed it. Also, try and consider joining my holiday committee. Codelyoko193 _Talk HHC! 23:34, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

BulletBall

I have read the AfD discussion on BulletBall, and counting the comments it looks to me like there was NO consensus to merge. The consensus was to keep. Just because you edit the page and say "Consensus was to merge, discussion closed" does not make it so. Were I aware of the discussion while it was occuring, I would have added my keep vote.

And please try to keep your comments civil and professional when you leave messages on people's talk pages. Thanks.

--Keithn 15:31, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

Who made you the decider of what constitutes a valid argument or not? The consensus was to keep. And while you say "some" people voted for keep, it turns out more people voted for keep than for merge or delete. Do a Google search for BulletBall, and you get 9,500 references across the internet. When someone comes across one of them, and they want to know what it is, they come to Misplaced Pages. You are doing Misplaced Pages a disservice. I think it would be in everybody's best interest for you to leave the article alone and let the rest of the community take care of it. Find something productive to do, there is a lot to be done here.

--Keithn 16:14, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

The House of the Scorpion

The The House of the Scorpion article received heavy editing today by unregistered users, which I noticed at WikiRage.com. The article may benefit from a good review. According to Misplaced Pages Page History Statistics, you are one of the top contributors to that page. If you have the time, would you please read over the article and make any necessary changes. Thanks. -- Jreferee 07:23, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

Gaia (Foundation universe)

Response on my user talk page. :: Kevinalewis : /_(Desk) 07:46, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

Consensus

If a previous discussion ended with no consensus, one can take the article to AfD again in order to try to establish consensus. Singularity 05:11, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

Hello

I wanted to say thank you for your contributations to the What Is Your Dangerous Idea article and also for your kind welcome to Misplaced Pages. I think that the article could use an expansion, possibly in the ideas section (which I can help with). Thanks alot for your help and cooperation! --Midorihana 03:54, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

Just out of curiousity, where is the AfD discussion for What Is Your Dangerous Idea? I don't see it on the talk page. --Midorihana 03:46, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

Yes, I found the AfD discussion, thank you for notifying me. Midorihana 04:27, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

Oh, I don't mind, thank you. :) Midorihana_(talk) 04:11, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

Codelyoko193

Why not? Thanks, Codelyoko193 _Talk Contributions 13:21, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

Ok, I left a comment. Thanks, Codelyoko193 _Talk Contributions 15:55, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

User_talk:Keithn

Please refrain from making unconstructive edits to Misplaced Pages. Your edits appear to constitute vandalism and have been reverted. If you would like to experiment, please use the sandbox. Thank you. --Keithn 16:20, 21 October 2007 (UTC)(Yeah, I just crossed this out to let people know that it's utter bullshit --Slartibartfast1992 23:38, 24 October 2007 (UTC))

Keithn, I am going to report you. Thanks, Codelyoko193 _Talk Contributions 16:45, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

You definitely crossed the line with that vandalism notice, man. From the beginning you accused me of staging everything as a charade while you're the one who delivers any type of random bullshit to anybody that even tries to talk to you. I mean, come on, I was just trying to be friends with you. You know what, apology withdrawn. I had little to apologize about anyway. You, on the other hand... at least try doing something constructive instead of being so childish and whining over BulletBall. It's over, and guess what, nobody even cares that the article was there. --Slarti (1992) 18:53, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

Tea

Midorihana_{(talk)(contribs)} 05:44, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

I do like tea. Thanks! --Slartibartfast1992 23:33, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

You are quite welcome. :) Midorihana_{(talk)(contribs)} 03:56, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

Deletion nomination - Anthony Chidiac

Hi Slartibartfast *smiles* interesting nic - is there a history of why you use that? Anyway, I noted you "voted" to delete article on Anthony Chidiac This is my first article I wrote a while ago now. It became an absolute train wreck of an article, and I was advised by admins to post a stub instead and just highlight the major notable things this guy has done. Its well sourced, references a small proportion of the mountain of articles out there on the guy, and links to other things he has contributed to in the global scheme of things. Could you please review the article again and maybe review your decision to delete? I would appreciate your time in doing so, as some very nasty stuff has been written on the AfD that is not true at all. Let me know where the article falls over as a stub and I promise to fix it when others start to expand on it. Appreciate your help and time. Hey, do you live in Latin America? I dont know geography of the area that much, but flamenco guitar artists are my passion. Could you point me to some wondrous, maybe unknown flamenco guitarists and their music? Thanks! T--T3Smile 01:37, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

• G'day Slarti, thanks for the info and tips, I am very appreciative of them. What most saddens me is that i thought Argentina would be full of latin guitarists doing flamenco and lots of people partying and drinking, enjoying life. I guess you would think Australia is a lot of open space (mostly desert) and there are lots of kangaroos and koalas...well thats partly true. I think I need to read up more about argentina - know a good source of information?  :) might try wikipedia! lol. Again, thanks for the tips, time, and message. T--T3Smile 01:07, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

Redirect

Midorihana_{(talk)(contribs)} has smiled at you! Smiles promote WikiLove and hopefully this one has made your day better. Spread the WikiLove by smiling at someone else, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend. Happy editing!
Smile at others by adding {{subst:Smile}} to their talk page with a friendly message.

Hello again. :) I noticed you had a redirect from my IP page to my user account. I changed it back so that people wouldn't be confused if they were redirected to a page they had no clue about. Just wanted to let you know! Midorihana_{(talk)(contribs)} 09:20, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

I appreciate the gesture, though. Midorihana_{(talk)(contribs)} 00:44, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

Thanks! Midorihana_{(talk)(contribs)} 00:51, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

What is your dangerous idea

I was wondering if you could show me the layout you mentioned in the article's talk page. You can edit my sandbox here. Thanks! Midorihana_{(talk)(contribs)} 06:05, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

Alright, looks good, thanks. I'll see if I can find the time to make a list of the ideas. Midorihana_{(talk)(contribs)} 04:25, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

I had the time, so I made a list of the ideas in my sandbox. It's a grand total of 55 ideas, so the list needs to be generalized more for inclusion in the article. Midorihana_{(talk)(contribs)} 22:12, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

I probably shouldn't post replies to notes on my page to yours, so I'll just respond on my talk page. Midorihana_{(talk)(contribs)} 00:59, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for categorizing the ideas, I categorized the uncategorized ones. I also moved some of the comments on this page to my talk page for readability. Midorihana_{(talk)(contribs)} 00:35, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

Reply

It was a test to see if something on my monobook worked.

It didn't.

Thanks, Codelyoko193 _Talk Contributions 23:03, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

Copper(II) hydroxide

Yeas, sorry I was so slow. The last couple of months have been very busy- my Misplaced Pages contributions have been my lowest in years. Anyway, I did a few tweaks to the article and assessed it. It looks generally like the main bases have been covered, so I judged it to be a B.

I took out the "how to" information - an encyclopedia isn't supposed to include recipes for things (WP:NOT#HOWTO). As for work left to do on the article, I think the main thing would be to add a structure and properties section -crystal structure, that sort of thing. I also noticed that Chris's reaction scheme had an error in it, I pointed this out to him here. If he doesn't fix it (he only contributes occasionally), let me know and I'll redo it - but I thought he might prefer to do it himself. Let me know if I can help you out further - my life (hopefully) won't be permanently this busy! Cheers, Walkerma 02:43, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

I think it would need a lot more work before it would make it as a good article. There are a lot of assertions in there that need clarifying and referencing, such as (in the opening paragraph), "quite likely a mixture..." I'm sure this is known, so either it is or it isn't; if it is the case, we need to cite a reliable source, if it isn't, it is wrong and we need to remove it. That sort of thing could apply. If Chris is not around, I may be able to locate the sources of the organic stuff he added, and maybe even to add to it. But probably not until the Christmas break...! Thanks, Walkerma 13:18, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

Article assessment - American Inventor

As requested here I've assessed American Inventor. I've included a summary of my thinking here.--Opark 77 14:03, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks for reverting that funny vandalism on my user page... The funny thing is, I don't think I've encountered that IP before. Midorihana_{(talk)(contribs)} 05:46, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

Resp: Adoption

Hey, sorry for the late resp, I've been a bit busy in RL. I'd be happy to adopt you, there's some similarity in our editing style. Well, if you have any question or need any help, just come across. Do you have any goals on Wiki? Cheers! Dfrg_msc 23:08, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

Well, you seem to know where you towel is, I agree - finding a area of specialization can be good. Where have you tired? Where can you see yourself editing? There are a few cool monobook codes that can make editing quicker and more efficient, the miantay being at Misplaced Pages:WikiProject User scripts, I find User:Zocky/Picture Popups and User:Lupin/Anti-vandal tool (which you need non-admin roll-back to use if you are interested) useful. Also do you use IE or Firefox?

Being a good editor is not necessarily about how much time you can devote, I can't afford much myself. You just have to edit smarter:) Getting an article featured is always good. And no problem about the adopting, your part of the family now. Were going to have some fun! Cheers! Dfrg_msc 03:29, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

Hey there, I'm online now, I have not got to resp your earlier post, as the vandalism is flying thick and fast. Lupin's Anti-Vandalism tool is great, I use it over Vandal proof. I have no idea why there is no automated message, can you revert by clicking with Use non-admin rollback ticked? If you want templates they are here at: Misplaced Pages:Template messages/User talk namespace, or WP:UTM. Cheers! Dfrg_msc 22:02, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, FF is brilliant, I love that in built spell-checker for article writing. If you would like to solve problems between users yuo should check out Misplaced Pages:Mediation Cabal.

The Mediation Cabal is a bunch of volunteers providing unofficial, informal mediation for disputes on Misplaced Pages. We do not impose sanctions or make judgments. We at MedCabal are not at all official and are just ordinary Wikipedians. We facilitate communication and help parties reach an agreement by their own efforts.

I was a member of the AMA (WP:AMA) before it was canned - but that was long time ago. I see your problem with What Is Your Dangerous Idea?, it's difficult to express many POV's in artilce space, and in then end, it's not wroth as much to the featured requirement as say, being well sourced. I'm glad you got the scripts, they help don't they? Cheers! Dfrg_msc 23:19, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

It's an interesting problem, I like the idea in which the best two opposite ideas of each topic, are included, and limit it to only a feew sub-sections. As long it was kept concise, you could put out the POV's. Hmm, if you really want to get an article featured have a look at Misplaced Pages:Featured article criteria and Misplaced Pages:Featured article review. can your article fulfill all the criteria listed there? If it can't - then you'll have to find a new article. Make sure before you put a lot of work in. I'm not sure where else there is dispute resolution, lots' of AfD's can get quite heated though, you could help there. if you wanted to help users, you could see, Misplaced Pages:Welcoming committee. What do you think of vandal-fighting and RCP-ing? and Cheers, Dfrg_msc 00:28, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

Oh, and if there's ever a wiki-acronym you don't know, (like WP:NCR) just ask me. Dfrg_msc 00:29, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

Yep, fighting vandalism can be great for your edit count, I see (from your edit summary) you are not particularity good with Wiki-code, you don't have to good, but If you'd like to learn, just ask. Cheers, Dfrg_msc 09:05, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

Adoption

Damn, I didn't see your message on my talk page the first time. I would've been happy to adopt you. Happy editing; Cheers, Lex /_C Guest Book 12:47, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

That's ok, we can both work to make Slartibartfast a better editor. What do you think? Dfrg_msc 03:05, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

I see no problem with that. --Slartibartfast1992 21:20, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

Why did you revert my user edit?

I added text to the page for user 170.20.96.116, who is used by someone called Sarah who was trying to alter the Ike Turner page. Then you go and revert it. Why not revert everything else people have added to her page?

The content you added was not appropriate, mocking the other user. Other edits warned her of ther vandalism. --Slartibartfast1992 00:00, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

Long over-due...

		The Special Barnstar
		This is kind of over-due, but - Here you go, Slartibartfast, for being the first editor to welcome me to Misplaced Pages! Thanks alot! Midorihana(talk)(contribs) 22:20, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

You're welcome :) Now to get a draft of the article done! Midorihana_{(talk)(contribs)} 00:50, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

I've created a seperate page in my userspace here: User:-Midorihana-/Sandbox/Drafts for input of ideas for the article etc., just to let you know. Midorihana_{(talk)(contribs)} 01:46, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

Finished draft, tell me what you think. Midorihana_{(talk)(contribs)} 02:02, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

Happy Holidays!

If I clogged up your page with putting the above card on your talk, you have every right to put one on mines :) Happy editing - Midorihana_{(talk)(contribs)} 01:21, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

LOL, Happy holidays to you too! Cheers, Midorihana_{(talk)(contribs)} 01:24, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

Your userpage
It's alive! Just kidding.
Interesting, you draw on George Orwell's works alot there. :) Cool userpage, quite funny! Midorihana_{(talk)(contribs)} 05:41, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

I believe the code is {{User:Vishwin60/Userbox/vandalized|0}}. I'm not too sure where the user talk one is, I thought there was one somewhere, eh. Midorihana_{(talk)(contribs)} 19:36, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the compliments! The work never ends, there's two more books in the series I need to work on. --Midorihana_{(talk)(contribs)} 20:25, 23 December 2007 (UTC)

I think there's something funny in your sig, the time is always a space below your name. Just to let you know.  :) --Midorihana_{(talk)(contribs)} 03:40, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

Well, in that case, Happy Birthday!  :) (I probably won't be editing tomorrow either) --Midorihana_{(talk)(contribs)} 21:13, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

Oh, and great work too on the article! --Midorihana_{(talk)(contribs)} 22:00, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

Re: Assessment

I do; at one point I did quite a lot, though I never managed to get through the A's in the unassessed philosophy category. Thanks for the heads up! I'm not familiar with the book, but I'll give the article a read and come up with some figures. Happy editing, — xDanielx /_C\ 20:03, 23 December 2007 (UTC)

Happy New year!

Hey, what's happening? All the best for 2008! Dfrg_msc 23:20, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

Hey mate, sorry for the late res, I've been at the coast, it was great. How are you doing? What's the problem with your sig? Is it that the Time stamp finds it's own line? I think that's cause there's a space, try this: ]]] Cheers, Dfrg_msc 04:45, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

Changing article name

Hello, again :) I was wondering if you thought changing the article name from What Is Your Dangerous Idea?: Today's Leading Thinkers on the Unthinkable to What Is Your Dangerous Idea? would be okay with you. It's much shorter and the "Today's Leading Thinkers on the Unthinkable" is a subtitle, which could be mentioned in the article. Midorihana 02:02, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

No problem, I'll fix the title. I still have to recover from my vacation too. :P Midorihana 05:30, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

MedCab case

Greetings,

I don't know if there are any hard and fast rules on how to handle mediation cases. I would suggest soliciting some concrete proposals from both sides in the discussion section of the Mediation page. Ultimately, the goal (I think) is to break the deadlock of a "permanent lack of consensus" that seems to have developed at Human rights and the United States. Good luck, Silly rabbit (talk) 02:12, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

The short version of this referendum is to address the following question: Whether or not the section on Universal Health Care should remain in the article. If so, what bits of it should stay. Raggz feels (primarily) that the section does not comply with WP:OR.

There is a bunch of stuff on the talk page, and not all of it is relevant to this particular issue (though it would be nice if it also reached a wider editorial audience). To make matters worse, User:Viriditas has recently archived much of the page (unfortunately including some still-live threads). This is good for the purpose of keeping discussion focused, but bad if you are trying to research a mediation case. Silly rabbit (talk) 02:53, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

I have replied to you on my own talk page, and I will opt to keep further discussions there, unless you have a strong preference otherwise. Cheers, Silly rabbit (talk) 03:21, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

Universal health care dispute redux

Sorry for the delay in getting back to you. I have taken some of Raggz's objections into consideration, and made some edits in the disputed section of Human rights and the United States. I admit that it is not perfect now, and Raggz certainly has new objections (as well as some positive remarks) concerning the current shape of things. So I am going to hold off to see how things develop before attempting to give an unbiased assessment here.

Disclaimer. If you want my biased assessment, on the other hand, I can give it to you. It seems to me that Raggz has already made up his/her mind that the disputed section should be removed, regardless of its contents. (Or, at the very least, until the contents represent entirely Raggz's POV.) Thus, despite attempting to address some of his/her concerns over balance and NPOV, Raggz continues to threaten deletion unless certain demands are met.

Furthermore, the demands that need to be met have changed since the last time around. What started out as Original Research is now going to be deleted because (according to Raggz) it fails to represent all sides of the issue. However, rather than attempt to engage in editing in a constructive way by providing references as to the other point of view, Raggz has opted yet again to threaten unilateral deletion.

This kind of behavior, citing Misplaced Pages policy to advance a particular agenda, and then constantly moving the goal posts, is (I believe) in violation of the behavioral guideline WP:GAME. At the very least it is tendentious, and really frustrating to deal with. I'm not suggesting that you do anything about it, but it may be one reason why you have trouble finding a coherent position amid all of the noise. Silly rabbit (talk) 20:11, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

MedCab assistance

How are things going with Misplaced Pages:Mediation Cabal/Cases/2008-01-21 Human rights and the United States? Is there anything I could help with? You expressed a little confusion/frustration in the case page and I just want to lend a hand however I can. Cheers! Vassyana (talk) 17:04, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

No offense was intended in offering you a hand. I looked over the case page and you do express some mild confusion and frustration in a few places. Mostly, what I would provide is some suggestions and advice based on my experience and observations. Again, no offense was intended on my part. Please accept my apologies if it was construed in that fashion. Vassyana (talk) 17:47, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

Resp

Hey Dude! Sorry for the late resp, congrads on getting a case on MebCab, it'll take patience but I'm sure you'll have it sorted. For the "how it was made section" you could use "development" or "production". Cheers, Dfrg_msc 00:46, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

No problem

I will take a look over it and provide some feedback a bit later. I need to wander away from the 'net for a bit to take care of a few things. At worst, I'll get back to you within a day. Cheers! Vassyana (talk) 02:42, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

Opinions or facts?

I am somewhat distressed by the line at the mediation case that we are "stuck in the second step because editors claim that their opinions are facts, so they do not need to cover both sides." Do you have any examples of this? I strongly dispute this characterization, for my own part, and would happily see a more extensive treatment of both sides of the debate.

I realize that I may have said something along the lines of "I state facts and not opinions." I also made quite clear from the context that I was referring to was giving proper attribution to opinions (e.g., of courts, rights organizations, governing bodies, notable figures, etc.) We can't go around stating opinions in Misplaced Pages's voice. There is no way to write an article on the subject of human rights at all if we are not allowed to cite the opinions of others. For instance, "According to the Supreme Court..." "Amnesty International claims..." (etc.) I note that Raggz's side of this argument has yet to identify a single line of text that does not pass his latest test of WP:ASF. (Previous tests have included WP:OR, WP:SYN, WP:CON, and WP:NPOV).

I have established (as a fact attributed to reliable sources) several notable opinions regarding Universal Health Care and Human Rights, some asserting and some denying that it is a Human Right, and specifically focused on political commentary on the United States; that is to say, on both sides of the debate. If Raggz, or other involved editors, would like to contribute more voices to the debate, then those can and should certainly be incorporated. More research can clearly be done, but that will move the section in the direction of expansion, rather than removal.

However, the fact that Raggz has not engaged in any good-faith effort to add to the section (beyond advocating unwaveringly for its removal) clearly adds weight to my suspicion that Raggz's motive is, and has always been, to gut the section irrespective of its contents. For instance (quoting Raggz):

This predilection for unilaterally citing policy in the name of making controversial deletions, and of constantly shifting the policy being cited, is a characteristic of tendentious editing, and of gaming the system. (Human rights and the United States is not the only article where Raggz has been causing problems for others. See also Talk:Allegations of state terrorism committed by the United States.) If actual policy violations were taking place here, then other editors should be coming out of the woodwork to prevent them. Reports should have been filed (and listened to) at the Administrators' noticeboard. Users should have been blocked. None of this has happened, so I can only conclude that no policy is being violated. This is all posturing and bullying on the part of Raggz.

Therefore, I think that an important next step in this process is to ask Raggz what views he/she feels are underrepresented. If indeed my interpretation of your notes at the MedCab case is correct, then the primary issue seems to be that both sides of the debate have not been given a fair airing. So, let's hear it. Who are these unsung debaters of Universal Health Care and Human rights in the United States? Silly rabbit (talk) 04:38, 31 January 2008 (UTC)