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Seems like we have the same articles in our watchlists! Thanks for removing the images from the articles where they shouldn't have been. I think we have covered all bases now. Thanks. Woodym555 22:16, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

Re: Dispute over WP:CON

Hi, Daniel. As you're often involved in mediation cases I was wondering if you could help with the application of WP:CON. The recent arbitration case I was involved with hasn't resolved the dispute and now some users are trying to claim consensus was reached on disputed material even when that was clearly not the case - otherwise why would there have been dispute resolution at all? I'm not asking you to make a decision on the content dispute, just whether consensus can be reached through a majority of users expressing an opinion one way or another. For reference this was done through a RfC - a number of users left a comment each and then that was it. The dispute is on Talk:Mao: The Unknown Story. I've also asked Picaroon for his views, but I thought it might be good to open the point to someone who wasn't in arbitration. John Smith's 19:16, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

I have had a look at the discussion, and was glad to see there was no edit-warring and the discussion got off on the right foot.

With regards to that discussion, I do not believe that consensus exists yet. Although 2-1 forms a majority, in my opinion you'd be better to open up an article requests for comment on the issue, which should generate a better 'consensus' with more people involved. That way, if people all come in and agree with you, you have a true consensus of both involved and outside people, and there can be little argument against that. Cheers, Daniel 01:34, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

In Remembrance...

--nat 18:25, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

No Mao!

Hi John, I'm about to embark on what is hopefully a lengthy wikibreak to attend to some work which needs serious attending to. I think we've come to a decent consensus on the review section of Mao: The Unknown Story and hope you're basically okay with it too. Quite frankly it's been a fairly frustrating discussion that took up more time than I would have imagined, but in the end I think we improved the quality of the article which is something to feel at least a little bit proud about. Even if I did not always show it when our debates got heated, I really do appreciate your willingness to talk out disagreements and work toward some kind of consensus. The next time we meet on-wiki we might well be arguing again, but I want to note for the record that you're a good editor and I appreciate your contributions. See ya around.--Bigtimepeace | talk | contribs 10:34, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

Link

Okay, some questions. Palaceguard says "It is referenced". I (briefly) scanned the pdf and saw no references to any works besides, of course, Jung's book itself. Were there any? If not, it doesn't really qualify as referenced - you can't cite the work you're criticizing as inaccurate as a base for your own claims, as that is tantamount to calling it accurate... He also says it "has been acknowledged by Chang herself." When was this, may I see a link? On a cursory glance, I find myself largely in agreement with Folic Acid's points made at 13:49, 5 November 2007. Picaroon (t) 00:45, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

Sky Bow

Yea, i was thinking the same thing last night. Since all of them are quite short we should put them under "Sky Bow Missile System". Sorry about the missing citations and all that, Most of the stuff on there was based on me being told by the TV live broadcast of the military parade explaining what the thing is, how it works, etc. Some i found off websites, so yea. I'll try to put in references etc. You have my full support to merge the articles, i could help if you want. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kliu1 (talk • contribs) 20:48, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

Re: Welcome Back

Thanks John. I've been busy in real life. Plus, I needed a break from Misplaced Pages after Arbcom. I'm back to concentrate on limited topics for now, such as Yokohama-related articles, CJK collaboration, etc.--Endroit (talk) 22:28, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

Edits

Is there something wrong with the edit (i.e. giving a fuller sense of Schram's conclusion)? Cripipper (talk) 18:51, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

No, no - just on the back of what was being discussed, and since I had the article to hand, I didn't think there would be any objections to giving a more balanced sense of Schram's conclusions (in the spirit of those same conclusions!) Cripipper (talk) 19:05, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

RE: ROCN Pictures (again)

Well, i'm uploading some old pictures i have now. But yea, I'm going back to Taiwan this saturday, i'll try to get as many pictures as i can during my 2 month holiday. (Kliu1 (talk) 21:33, 20 November 2007 (UTC))

Hey, sorry about that. I put all of my taiwanese military pictures in one place, the ones I download, the ones I take and the ones that friends give me. The national day celebrations one is mine, the other (ROCN Cheng Kung-class frigates) i dont think is. I'll try again going through all of my pictures and get the right ones. I'm also asking my dad to get pictures that he had while he was with the ROCN. So yea....sorry about the mix up. (Kliu1 (talk) 20:37, 21 November 2007 (UTC))

By the way, because you said some of the pictures were incorrectly tagged, i dont know how to retag them, could you do it for me? or tell me how to. Thanks (Kliu1 (talk) 20:49, 21 November 2007 (UTC))

Hi, I'm in Taiwan right now and don't really have alot of time to do this sort of stuff, as I have limited access to computers and the internet. I'll probably fix those up when I leave Taiwan or something. So yea..... (Kliu1 (talk) 00:46, 26 November 2007 (UTC))

Re: Consensus (again)

Have you tried compromising with the "other user" who isn't agreeing? If so, and they refuse to give anything, then use WP:RfC to get more independant input. Consensus is often best judged from that — if there's overwhelming support from involved and non-involved users (the latter who have come via the RfC process to offer a view on things) and only one user refusing to budge, I could agree that consensus exists. However, I don't think it is present at the moment — it is merely a problematic situation, which is best resolved from outside input. Daniel 00:25, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

President of the Executive Yuan

Hi John. Recently I proposed a move of Premier of the Republic of China to President of the Executive Yuan. The reason was simple: Premier of the ROC is not a common name nor is it an official name while President of the Executive Yuan is the second most common name (after Premier of Taiwan, which is not neutral as Jiang stated) and the official title of the position in both English and Chinese.

Another editor Chris, insists on opposing the move while not providing any sources asserting the statement President of the EY is not common. And then another user Sebastian came and opposes the move because I did not provide any sources either, he then decides to make a table for us to see which term is more common, it turns out I was right. However, Chris still disagrees as he thinks the ghits aren't reliable, while still not providing any sources for his assertion.

Due to my limited English-speaking skills, I am not able to express my thoughts thoroughly on the topic. I think you aren't going to oppose this reasonable move, can you provide your opinion on the move here?--Jerry 16:59, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

Mediation

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Request for mediation accepted

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Translation

I do not know if you need all of them translated, so I am just going to go ahead and read it, and put the summary in English.

The Legislative Yuan passed the 2008 Central government budget. Because of the hope that the Pan-Blue is going to regain presidency, they only removed NT$ 13,700,000,000 from the budget. The three most important weapon-acquiring budgets are passed too.

Military budgets:

• MIM-104 Patriot and P-3 Orion (anti-submarine aircrafts): all passed
• Submarines: 2 billion, passed
• F-16 Fighting Falcons: 20 billion, froze (waiting for US permission)
• Hsiung Feng IIE: 2/3 budget kept
• 30 AH-64 Apache attack helicopters: passed

That's about it. If you have any questions feel free to ask, I'd be happy to answer if I could.--Jerrch 22:05, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

No, and it doesn't say how much they're going to be cost either.--Jerrch 23:46, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

I found some info on the Patriot missiles. It says the budget for four sets of missiles is passed, and two sets are frozen. Hope that helped.--Jerrch 20:49, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

Taiwan Defence Budget 2008

Hi John, a partial translation follows. -Loren (talk) 07:46, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

立法院今天三讀通過97年中央政府總預算，由於預期藍軍明年可望重新執政，對多數預算以凍待刪，最後只刪除一百三十七億元，刪減率不到百分之一，創民進黨執政後的新低。今天通過的總預算案中，最受矚目的三項重要軍購獲得大部分解套，其中愛國者飛彈、P-3C反潛機全數過關，潛艦預算也放行20億元評估費用。(李人岳報導)

The Legislative Yuan passed the 2008 central government budget in the third reading today. Due to expectations that the Pan-Blue bloc will regain control of the executive branch next year, several items were frozen rather than being eliminated entirely. In the end, only NT$137 billion was eliminated, accounting for less than 1% of the overall budget, the lowest since the beginning of DPP administration. Among the items passed today were parts of the three most significant arms purchases, the PAC-3s and P-3Cs were approved in their entirety. NT$2 billion was also approved for a preliminary study for submarines.

其他軍事採購方面，200億元的「鳳隼專案」Ｆ-16Ｃ/Ｄ採購預算暫時凍結，等待美國同 意出售之後，就可以動支。另外，「雄二Ｅ飛 彈」也保留三分之二的預算，30架阿帕契戰鬥直昇機的預算，也都全數通過。

In other military purchases, the NT$20 billion earmarked for F-16 C/Ds were frozen until the US approves the sale. 2/3s of the request for the Hsiung Feng (Brave Wind) 2E missiles was also approved, as was the entire earmark for Apache attack helicopters.

WP:NC-ZH

Hi John Smith's. There's a new discussion on the ROC naming issues again at WP:NC-ZH. I hope you will participate in the discussion. Here's the link: Wikipedia_talk:Naming_conventions_(Chinese)#About_ROC.2FTaiwan_Naming_Conventions.--Jerrch 00:39, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

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Warn

See Misplaced Pages:Administrators'_noticeboard/Arbitration_enforcement#Giovanni33. You both seem to be pushing the limit. While they may not technically be violations, it violates the spirit and is blockable as disruption. Next time I'll block. — Rlevse • Talk • 02:03, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

Yuan Class AIP

hello,

The addition of the Yuan class AIP section was done only after I have checked Jane's Navy International awhile back. (22 March 2007).

14:20, 10 January 2008 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Koxinga CDF (talk • contribs)

I understand that Jane's isn't always right, but as far as Chinese matters are concerned, we are unlikely to find any other Western publications giving similar coverage. For the matter, if they do, they end up quoting Jane's. Short of actual photos and description given out by the Chinese navy or manufacturer, such reports are the best anyone can get.

Koxinga CDF (talk) 00:50, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

Checkuser or sockpuppetry report?

Hi, Blnguyen. I've got a case where I suspect a sockpuppet, but it isn't what I normally file a checkuser request for so I wasn't sure.

On the Talk:Mao: The Unknown Story, I'm having a discussion with User:Xiaodingjin who has previously attempted to insert links of his own work onto wikipedia. After April 2007 he disappeared, only to re-appear recently and complain about the removal of the links to his work.

Then another user appeared today, User:Dariusdaman. He created his account at 17:03, 15 January 2008 and then edited the Talk:Mao: The Unknown Story page at 17:19, 15 January 2008 to support Xiaodingjin. This clearly indicates he arrived just to support Xiao as he hasn't done anything subsequently (so at least probably a meatpuppet), but I think their standard of English suggests they are the same person.

I could file an ordinary sockpuppet report, but as that's very backed up I wondered if this might warrant a "G" checkuser request - I didn't want to waste people's time if it would automatically be rejected. My reason for the request is that Xiao knows he can't insert the link (was blocked for 3RR and then indef banned, only having it lifted when he promised to stop) and has not had any support since he came back - so he could be trying to influence the decisions of other users by creating "supporters".

Your thoughts would be welcome - please respond on my talk page. John Smith's (talk) 18:10, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

I've blocked it as a meatpuppet. It appears to be in different locations though. Blnguyen (bananabucket) 23:56, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

you're revert

Was not vandalism, as you characterize it in the edit summary. Rather it was an a good edit that was discussed on this talk page. Please revert yourself unless you can support with several specific issues in the article so we can fix them and get rid of those tags. Thanks.Giovanni33 (talk) 23:39, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

Provocations

RE: Stone put to sky's talk page.

I would consider it something of a provocation for someone to continue posting on a topic on another user's talk page when the user had indicated several times that s/he did not want to continue the discussion. TheRedPenOfDoom (talk) 22:37, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

After he said that he was too busy to carry on the conversation, I offered for him to contact me at his leisure - I would have said the same had he done so earlier. I also didn't keep pushing the original question, rather tried to understand why he had reacted somewhat sharply. So I don't see that as provocation. John Smith's (talk) 23:11, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

Warn

See my comment here, consider it a final warning. — Rlevse • Talk • 03:06, 1 February 2008 (UTC)