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To whom it may concern,I will always post my replies to your messages on your talk page not mine, and I expect that same courtesy from others. I also ask that you be civil and not be an idiot. I may not reply quickly, as I have something called "a life," and I can promise you I won't be on in the weekends.

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Jeremiah 2:20: "a saeculo confregisti iugum meum
rupisti vincula mea et dixisti non serviam in omni enim colle
sublimi et sub omni ligno frondoso tu prosternebaris meretrix."
- Light-Bringer

• I'm getting fed up with this site's hypocrites always talking about POV when they're instituting they're own
• User:Navnløs/Reply to accusations from User:Twsx...more to come, not complete

You know...

I talked to a friend of mine and he's telling me that the anons starting with 56. (theres like 3 of them) is actually someone I know. It's really unsettling, he's following my edits and removing flags on a grand scale which I think the rules just escalate themselves and don't provide anything on specific projects (particularly music). The average person won't even care what the background rules are, for the fact, people even like to see flags there. Theres also no rule on use of flags in the artist infobox, WP:Music and other similar project 'guidelines' within that vein. I just don't believe in flagcruft anyway if I look past that it's a wikipedia policy, its one for the paranoid really. Removing them will just create a riot. --CircafuciX 23:55, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

Well the fact that it's the same situation and that I actually know the guy scares me more than anything else. He was the last person I would of thought of to edit Misplaced Pages. It's my first time having to deal with this personally and I now know how your situation is a lot more. He also followed Kameejl but seems to be focused on me just because theres a greater chance that he will find similar edits. I wonder if we can get a well-meaning admin to follow them because it's just not right that they follow us like this and attack us wherever we step. It's just not right... I feel like I can't edit with some freedom for 2 weeks like it used to be, instead its maybe 1 or 2 days... If no other user/anon detests a change for awhile and only 1 does with great prejudice they are in the minority or... other users covering the article is low. --CircafuciX 20:35, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

Bestial Warlust

I hope my last comment will stop the non sense :). See Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Bestial Warlust (2nd nomination) Kameejl 23:59, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

Re: Yo

No problem mate, I'll take a look at the users page and warn him if he continues to remove the templates - eventually he'll get banned :P ≈ The Haunted Angel Review Me! 20:06, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

Deletion coming our way

User:Funeral has put the list of industrial metal artists and doom metal bands up for deletion, and soon every other list... I suggest showing what lists can do two-three times better than any category could. For example, adding their location or if they are/were one of the original bands of the genre, if they played the style early, mid or later on, list of albums by the bands that are within the genre and also bands that at some time played the style. Sure a category adds them there, but lists offer some different ways to list things. If you are for lists as well, I suggest giving some support (no comments there yet) and maybe Weltan should come as well. --CircafuciX (talk) 06:12, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

Well not everything at once it will be a process that takes some time and effort to perform, but that is if they aren't deleted so hastefully. Now I just saw black metal listed, this deletion is getting out of hand... I added a comment that might stir some sense into them. --CircafuciX (talk) 19:27, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

I'm gonna be gone a while, I gotta be somwhere, but feel free to leave me a message about what happens. Blizzard Beast 19:47, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

Alright, I'll be watching the discussion like a night owl and tell you if there is some leeway or there is enough supporters (although it seems in deletion favor...). I don't understand them though a list can offer many lists in one and is sure a lot more helpful than a simple category. bye and try not to miss out! --CircafuciX (talk) 20:07, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

Evidence of WP:CANVAS

"I already voted on the doom metal and black metal list, you should do the same." from . "Should" is the imperative modal verb in the sentence; implying compliance. Also, in the context of your discussion with Circa., the connotations of your discussion are quite obviously breaching the policy. I suggest in future you avoid any language that could be perceived as canvassing. I'll repeat; even if you honestly didn't mean to, please try to avoid using words that can sound as if you're trying to persuade someone (or visa versa). Scarian 17:55, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

I will be aware of that, but you're still wrong. "You should do the same" as in you should vote, I didn't say how. Also, even if I told him to vote with me he already stated he was of the same mind as me. He came to me saying he wanted the lists kept, and I told him I agreed and that I voted and he should do the same. As in "let your opinion be heard"...we were already of the same mind, so this convo is moot. Blizzard Beast 17:59, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

Caution

- Please be careful when you refer to me like that. You know that sort of referencing is immature and derogatory. To prove that you meant it in good faith, I request that you strike "Don't worry about Scarian, he just wants his own way". If you choose not to strike it, I will take it as a personal attack (Which, by the way, you have been warned about before). Thanks in advance. Scarian 22:13, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

Funny

If you would like to see the definition of ignorance, check out the bottom of the death metal discussion page. Imagine a film critic drawing conclusions about a movie he hasn't even seen. Basically that's what going on here, lol.

Backstory: I had a legit source (documentary) proving black metal came before death metal, and cited it a while ago. The other guy refuses to accept it, even though he hasn't even seen the documentary. He instead defends some unverifiable source, which only has any evidence of existence on Misplaced Pages. Even as I provide him YouTube clips of my source, he still appears to just not get it. Unreal. Logical Defense (talk) 07:47, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

He has since apologized and admitted to not understanding the situation from the start. So whatever, good for him. Logical Defense (talk) 21:03, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

Vandalism

Even though I do not believe in the evil King Odmontius, I do believe that Iron Maiden will rule the world of heavy metal for 3000 years. Master Redyva (talk) 19:46, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

LOL, indeed, but it was still vandalism and had to be removed. Blizzard Beast 19:47, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

Close Call

The list was a sure goner dude. You need to really put work into improving the article. Of course, it will not be a one man army. Ask me if you need help. Welt 14:58, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

Also can you think of other information which can be provided alongwith the albums, so that the list doesn't remain one dimensional, you get what I mean? Welt 15:08, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

Well the speed list has it too. Well the thrash list doesn't have citations, so well I will do that as well. Welt 18:43, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

I am not sure, there is nothing wrong with the code though. Welt 19:47, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

That's what I'm saying, I checked the code and it was OK. Something else is wrong Welt 06:46, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

Some help for you

Hi Navnlos, I saw your recent additions to WP:ANI. At the top of the page there is some advice on how to list incidents. One very important thing (That I've noted on both of your requests) is providing diffs to prove what you're saying. Also important is notifying any user(s) involved with {{ANI-notice}} on their talk pages (It's good etiquette to do so). On a different note, your talk page is rather long and rather than just deleting stuff would you like to archive it instead? Take a look at: Help:Archiving a talk page. Or ask me to help you. Hope these tips are satisfactory! Scarian 19:45, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

I'll tell you what, I'll do you a favour. I'll archive all of your old stuff for you. You concentrate on your school stuff; it's important. Btw, I've never actually had a disagreement with you. That's the funny thing. I'm always neutral on everything (Even if it seems that I'm not) and I've never been one for the other with commas/breakers. Btw, I'm sorry if I do seem to come across as "high and mighty" - I just tend to comment on when people go wrong with policy. You're not the only one I've pointed out errors to, okay? I have never meant to annoy you or whatever, I just like to keep Misplaced Pages on the straight and narrow. I'll archive your page for you. We'll talk later. Scarian 20:03, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

Regarding your hate for slipknot

Can i ask-is your hate towards the music itself or the fact that they have become mainstream following the Vol.3 album? if its the latter then i have a suggestion: get a hold of Crowz, the unreleased slipknot album. i was beginning to hate them too but then i found this album and now its the only slipknot i listen to. just a suggestion.

Black Metulz ist krieg!! the juggreserection (talk) 21:08, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

oh. well, i guess i have a broader taste of music than others. But i do agree with you on hating new music.the juggreserection (talk) 14:36, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

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Just remembered something

Yeah I was supposed to reply to something you said. "Justice" - there is no such thing as "justice" on Misplaced Pages. Please don't think of a block or a warning as "justice". Blocks/warnings are not punitive. They are preventative. They prevent Misplaced Pages being damaged. Remember, Misplaced Pages is WP:NOT a democracy. Be careful when you say "justice". I think what you mean is: Perhaps the blocking admin did not fully take into account the other parties' actions? You should be complaining to the blocking admin, not myself or anyone else. I hope that clears things up with that whole avenue, buddy. Take care, friend. Scarian 21:14, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

Boxes, Finals and Logos

Thank you for the compliment. :) the color scheme is somewhat inspired by Wintersun's album cover you know. Good luck to you too. I have mine at the start of next week but I have these 2 huge projects to do but I decided to see whats happening here for a bit until I get back to work. Oh and a couple logos of yours should be in png/svg format and those that are "psable" (photoshop) should be made transparent such as a logo with a black background and white logo color can be inverted and worked on from there. I have a student version of ps and I was thinking on just hanging it loose on the holidays and just add band logos mostly in the time being. So, if you have logos that need to be psed I'll be welcome to do them sometime. --CircafuciX (talk) 01:18, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

Heh, I know what you mean, my comp is so full with music that I bought an external hard drive to fit all of it!!! (along with album covers, logos, etc). Just let me know later if you have something for me.

I finally have all my projects done and it's about time I did, so I should be able to edit a bit more. Also, I heard about the "golden holiday edits" (or the days of the year where vandalism is on a low because of vacationing (so it seems)). It made me think that I should enjoy Misplaced Pages more during the holidays but I WILL NOT EDIT on Christmas or New Years day!! --CircafuciX (talk) 17:16, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

Re:Twsx

I'll have a word with the user. And I don't think that admin is active very often. But well done for controlling your revert finger :-) - It's better to be patient than to be blocked. Scarian 18:18, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

I've asked Twsx why he made those changes when we all agreed to stop. I think you should just leave them as they are until discussion takes place. It's not going to hurt anyone if you left it there until we got this figured out (What I'm saying is; if you changed it back again hours later - you'd still be edit warring, ja?). Thank you for your patience and for taking the time to keep it cool and not revert. Scarian 18:26, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, I don't think it's that much of a problem. You'll cause more problems than you hope to solve if you do decide to revert. Ich spreche nur wenig, aber mein Schwedischer Partner spricht Deutsches! Scarian 18:43, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

Quorthon

Well actually the link provided in the article linked to Quorthon's article (ie Fosberg's article). So in that sense, I thought that it didn't belong to the list. I guess I was in a hurry last night. Pantera, 2ton predator and this one crept up the list. So any news from the AfD front? Welt 10:09, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

Smile!

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Re: Yo

Hey, I am never on this anymore, only when I am bored at college I go on. —Preceding unsigned comment added by METALFREAK04 (talk • contribs) 11:37, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

Please no more reverting

Re your reading of the talk page Are we looking at the same page here? A "consensus that specifically stylized logos have a place in the infobox" has most definately not been reached, the only consensus I see so far is that they do not belong in the name field. Their inclusion elsewhere isn't being prohibited by anyone involved in that discussion. I strongly urge you to not just revert if your edit means replacing the image in the name field.--Alf 21:59, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

Argh. I'm not so sure I agree with what you say but I will cease the reverts (unless more are done to the pages I have already reverted). I'm not so sure I get the point of putting the logo somewhere else in the article. I mean is the reader of the article blind?! It says the name of the band right at the top! And it says it again below that as the first word of the article. Is the reader really going to look at the infobox, see the logo, and say "OMFG! I have no idea what this article is about! I don't know the name of the band because this illegible logo is in the way!!!! OH NOES!" I think we can give the reader more credit than this...Blizzard Beast 22:07, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

Yes in honesty the reader of the article may be blind and using a screen reader, or like someone else I know, have dyslexia and just not to have to wrangle over the words in their head, they use a screen reader too.--Alf 22:09, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

And yes maybe it's just me, but what does this one say?, admitedly that did look the worst of the lot but no, really can't make out the name, words in text field would be better.--Alf 22:14, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

Thanks Alf... have a crayon :D. 156.34.238.173 (talk) 22:15, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

Are you actually serious? You're kidding, right? If the user was using a screen reader maybe we should just take out pictures alltogether!!!! In all seriousness if a person was using a screen reader, don't you think they would still be able to "see" the name of the band? I mean, do you think they will go right to the infobox and be totally confused by the logo? Don't you think they would "see" the name of the band somewhere!? You're just not giving these people any credit. Are they going to go right to the infobox and subsequently miss everything else and not know the name of the band? I mean, if they are on the band's page didn't they just search the name of the band or click on a link to that band? Wouldn't they already know the band's name? Even if they didn't I'm sure they'd see the band's name. How about we just eliminate every inconvenience altogether. I mean, after all, some people find an ecyclopedia too hard to use, right? So let's destroy wikipedia!...Once again, in seriousness, we want an encyclopedia accessible and easy to use, but I still don't understand why that means giving up logos. Blizzard Beast 22:19, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

Yes I am actually being serious. I have had one articles edited by a blind wikipedian. My upload will evidence the fact that I'm not on an "image free" kick. Yes I know 99.9% will know they're on the band's page, I'm not going to address any of the rhetoric you make point to "So let's destroy wikipedia!" as it employs absurd logic.--Alf 22:30, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

I want to at least try and work with you guys (I know you both are somewhat "big" people, more contributions, etc.), so what would you say to a logo thing in the infobox. A specific place to put the logo, and if there is none then the area is left blank just like many of the things in the infobox are usually left blank. What do you think? I'm gonna guess you guys are against this for some reason, too, but it's worth a try. I think this would eliminate all the fighting about the logo altogether. Blizzard Beast 22:23, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

The best place to express is that on the discussion page. As I said, not a single person in that discussion is "no-logos-none-at-all" mentality, there are Fair Use worriers, witterers (like me) who would like the best deal for the customer - INFORMATION - and other assorted sorts, but none of them are minded to ban logos per se.--Alf 22:33, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

Ok, well I suppose that makes a little more sense. It seems more intelligble, anyways. I will discuss it on that page, as I feel all band pages should have logos. As for my absurd logic, I was trying to be absurd and sarcastic to make a point. Anyways, you seem a great deal more open than some other editors on here. I just don't like the idea of all those logos being deleted by the time they are needed again( even if they are put somewhere else)! It takes a while to find 'em and upload them and all. Blizzard Beast 22:42, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

ARGH EXHAUSTION

I just added about 70 logos back into the bodies of articles... Blizzard Beast 00:46, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

re: Judas Priest

For logos I started at the bottom of the "metal" barrel and I'm working my way up. It would've taken awhile to get up out of the Black/Death/Power lists/categories and into the Heavy/Thrash/Speed realms. I would have made it there eventually. While I have your attention or while you have mine Earlier you re-added a dead logo link to the Black Sabbath article. Black Sabbath have never had a logo in their entire 38 year history. The incorrect logo that had been added was simply the stylised text from the Master of Reality album. The only time it was ever used. The erroneous logo image was speedy deleted because it was being used for dishonest purposes and was, in fact jeopardising Misplaced Pages as a verifiable resource. Your earlier re-add contained text saying that it was "The official logo of Black Sabbath that has graced all of their releases". Which is a blatant lie. You say you've added about 70 logos into articles this evening. How many of them were valid "official" logos? Will you have time to go through and confirm the "official" status of each logo with a reference? It has been suggested on the template talk page to use that strategy. Unfortunately it was proposed as an arguement to place to logos back into the infoboxes... which is now a dead issue. IF you can quickly add references to all the logos that you've added today that would be great. If not, based on your careless dishonesty on the Black Sabbath page, an admin will have to admin-rollback all your edits for today until validity and verification can be checked. That would be a waste of your entire days work. 156.34.212.143 (talk) 01:53, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

What? - Navnlos if that's true (Which, I believe it is true, seeing as Black Sabbeth have never had an official logo) then I am disgusted. How could you lie like that to push a WP:POINT? I just don't understand it... Why would you do that? Just to prove a point...? That's ridiculous behaviour. Please explain yourself. Scarian 09:32, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

I...I...I can explain!!!!!!!!! (sobs) You're hurting my feelings by both being so mad at me! It was an accident!!!!!! I was sleep deprived! Give me time!!!! How can I possibly add a reference to all those logos!!!! Cut me some slack, please! I assure you both that the logos I have been adding are all official! You can tell just by looking at them, and I know many of those bands!!! Why would I add fake logos in!?!?!?! (sobs) IM SORRY, DAMN!!!! Blizzard Beast 17:04, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

Logos

Hey, nice job putting them back in the articles. You're probably right, I'm fighting a losing battle. They would look much better in the infobox, but, well, better than nothing. And yeah, it's good to see a kindred metal spirit here :-) Generally, I listen to everything that is melodic or, better yet, symphonic. And that includes black metal too. BTW, where do you hail from? If you're in North America, there is a Paganfest coming this spring (Ensiferum, Tyr, Turisas and Eluveitie). Looks like it will be an awesome event... Cheers! Óðinn (talk) 15:55, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

Well, the respect is very much mutual :-) Anyway, I'll stop my involvement with the logos discussion for now. Like you, I also have a real life, which is more interesting than splitting hairs over copyright dilemmas. I have a feeling this issue will be raised again at some point. Hopefully, next time it will involve people who hold less sacrosanct views on perceived copyright violations.

Btw, I wouldn't get my hopes up for Wintersun's participation. They seem to be busy with their elusive second album. Which is unfortunate; Jari is truly a Metal God :-) Óðinn (talk) 17:03, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

Right-o

Well ok, i understand that you will see my name on such pages as metallica so that really just means we are both Metallica fans in itself. And you may remember what all this crap started as but i dont. So im gonna let it go. But ill give you this, alot of people have pissed me off on wikipedia, but you did the best job at that.---The Great One 11:22, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

Well, fuck wikipedia

I put all those logos back in only to be reverted by User:IllaZilla so fuck wikipedia. Blizzard Beast 20:07, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

Commas Vs Linebreaks

Hey; I just wanted to let you know I have started a sub page of my own about this "Comma vs Linebreaks" debate; where I am assuming a neutral party. The page isn't there to argue my points, for either you nor anyone else to argue theirs, it is instead there for this edit war to hopefully come to and end, so that you and Twsx can reach a decision. Please try to engage in the debate here, but please also treat it as just that; a debate to reach an end to the edit war rather then a place to argue your points. The page can be found here - thanks ≈ The Haunted Angel 02:50, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

Yo (same)

Yeah, I only go on it when I have information and see something wrong with the wiki's information on it.

And i am on your user page :)

METALFREAK04 (talk) 10:30, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

yeah, I mean, I never have time for this aswell as other things and I never really got into it like some people do. I rather do wiki's on last.fm than here. METALFREAK04 (talk) 12:58, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

February 2008

You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war according to the reverts you have made on Rush (band). Note that the three-revert rule prohibits making more than three reversions in a content dispute within a 24 hour period. Additionally, users who perform a large number of reversions in content disputes may be blocked for edit warring, even if they do not technically violate the three-revert rule. If you continue, you may be blocked from editing. Please do not repeatedly revert edits, but use the talk page to work towards wording and content that gains a consensus among editors. If necessary, pursue dispute resolution. Funeral 22:19, 5 February 2008 (UTC)