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Sarah is away on holidays and won't be back until later this week, but noticed this question. Try this link showing the precise geographical location, so it would seem to be correct. Cheers ww2censor13:11, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
They're threatening to ban you for an entire bloody year at Arbcom. Absolutely f**k*** outrageous!
Show them your article creation list, Sarah, I think you probably have the record.
Sure you lose your rag from time to time - but don't we all, especially when faced with extreme provocation and wind-up merchnats....Gaimhreadhan talk • 17:46, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
N21/Adare Bypass
Hi Sarah777: No, I feel that the Adare bypass article would best remain seperate from the N21 page. I created it as an aside to the Adare page and, if anything, should be merged into that. The bypass is going to impact on Archaeology and the economy of Adare (including property rights) during the construction phase. When the road is completed then I would support merging it into the N21 page. rubensni
Hi Sarah. I don't know whats going on in this article, but regarding this edit summary, you are are mistaken. I'm guessing you are referring to The Trouble's ArbCom. Firstly, I doubt this article would be covered in that decision, and secondly, the remedy is that a revert of an IP does not count among the single revert per weeks afforded to those under probation. It does not apply to WP:3RR, which will still be invoked for IP reversions. I just wanted to let you know before you find yourself blocked for 3RR without realizing it. Rockpocket03:28, 28 December 2007 (UTC)
Sarah, I answered you on my talk page and while I tend to agree with you about the content, I wholly agree with User:Rockpocket, you could get blocked if you rv more than three times in one day on this article (even an IP's edits) and moreover, if you steadily rv a couple of times a day for several days you could be blocked for edit warring. All the best to you! :) Gwen Gale (talk) 03:33, 28 December 2007 (UTC)
That is a very poor system; it means if I have to go away for say, a week - come back, make the change and then one of the tag-team simply reverts again in minutes. That is where I came in! The only way to combat that would be to form ones own tag-team - hardly a recipe for constructive editing. This collaborative effort by a group of editors has succeeded for THREE YEARS in keeping this article "safe for the West". What is being offered is no remedy at all. (Sarah777 (talk) 03:55, 28 December 2007 (UTC))
But it hasn't worked here, where the main consensus is that US troops don't do massacres in Iraq, period. And literally every trick in the book has ensured that nothing has been achieved in three years. WP:V can be managed and manipulated; that is what is happening here. -- Sarah777 (talk) 04:10, 28 December 2007 (UTC)
The decision is here. Note that it is a remedy the lists the "terms of probation" specifically for those listed, and that they are limited to 1RR per week on articles related to the Troubles. As far as I am aware, you are not on probation from that case, so it doesn't apply to you, and this issue is not related to the Troubles or baronets, so it wouldn't apply even if you were.
However, it does raise an interesting point, that if an IP was editing appropriately on a Troubles related article and someone on probation reverted 4 times in 24hrs, they could possibly claim that ArbCom said "reversion of edits by anonymous IPs do not count as a revert" and thus are exempt from 3RR. I don't think this is what ArbCom intended, as the remedy was specifically to counter the named people from gaming the system by logging out, not to diminish the contributions of people who choose to edit anonymously. I guess if that happened ArbCom could clarify.
Regarding the content itself, I'm not quite sure the basis for it being removed, but it looks fine to me. Some of the sources, like Indymedia, are not exactly WP:RS but there are enough of them to make up for that, and alongside The Independent I don't think it is a big deal. Is the "tag-team" removing it on the basis that it is not accurately sourced? Rockpocket04:12, 28 December 2007 (UTC)
Yeah, the content looks ok to me too. Meantime the article name is rather PoV and the content is list/label-oriented, which draws PoV warriors to it from both sides. I mean, I think any war is a massacre from beginning to end. Either way though, the outcome of the edit warring is, the page is now protected from editing. Gwen Gale (talk) 04:29, 28 December 2007 (UTC)
The article name is a disaster; more appropriate to the Guinness Book of Records than Wiki. How the top guys don't simply come down and say "this is not an appropriate article title for a serious encyclopedia" I do not know. At least myself and PB Shearer agreed on that but it failed proposals to merge or delete it. A handful of objecting editors = no consensus; thus this blot on Wiki's credibility remains. While I think Philip's perspective is skewed I honestly believe that even with the most neutral Admin possible it wouldn't work - because any consistent test of massacre will either open the floodgates to thousands of incidents or will eliminate everything. (Sarah777 (talk) 05:14, 28 December 2007 (UTC))
Which makes the article meaningless (the article, not the events) and truth be told, the kind of readers you're worried about can be rather smart about spotting weak, listy articles like this one. Since it's under pp for a couple of weeks I won't watch it, let me know if I can help though. Gwen Gale (talk) 05:28, 28 December 2007 (UTC)
Likewise, I'm loathe got get involved in these sorts of articles for the very reasons you both state. I guess an RfC might be the way forward of you are really keen. Rockpocket05:47, 28 December 2007 (UTC)
Actually, protection did expire. I had set it for two weeks. Let me look over the talk page and see if I should extend it again. Daniel Case (talk) 23:24, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
He reduced it to semi-protect, which will keep that anon from editing, but I'm not sure that really resolves the issue. I mean, he is an admin and an interested party on the page's content. He says in his edit summary that he wants to see if the edit war can be resolved, and removed all of what he said you had identified as problem entries to the talk page for discussion there.
That's just borderline, in my opinion, to using admin powers to gain an advantage in a content dispute. In continuing to assume good faith, I won't yet restore the full protection, but I at the very least would like to have been consulted first.
We'll see how it goes from here. If the edit warring starts again, I will restore the full protection. I also think what Phillip did is pretty much a tacit admission that we need an article RFC — the bones of contention are clearly far deeper than the reliability of sources for one entry on the list. Daniel Case (talk) 19:43, 19 January 2008 (UTC)
Rowan Gillepsie
Hi Sarah
This is the first time I've edited a wiki article, it was great fun, but I am complete beginner and you are clearly an expert! I was trying to figure out how to change that background title wiki put in with the lower case surname for ages. Thanks for your help! How did you do it?? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Pamela Gardiner (talk • contribs) 11:31, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
Oh.. I didn't sign either. Thanks again! You make a good teacher...is editing this how I reply, or am I supposed to be doing something different?!Pamela Gardiner (talk) 19:02, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
Hello again Sarah, guess what..I need your help! I noticed someone called Ww2censor has added a 'needs references and citations' tag to RG's page, so thought I'd try my hand at converting the embedded external links, to external refs and a proper refs section...looked up how to do it in guidelines and added loads of Refs, cited the official biog with page numbers etc and added them, and weblinks ...but Ww2censor who added the TAG says its still 'unsourced'...dont know what he means or what I'm meant to do to make it 'sourced' now? Got some lovely photo's for a Gallery too, awaiting permission from various photographers...can you explain why Ww2censor still thinks its unsourced?Pamela Gardiner (talk) 19:12, 20 January 2008 (UTC)
Hi Pamela. I'm at a bit of a loss myself! Fifteen in-line refs in an article of that size seems pretty good to me. Maybe Ww will explain here the specific bits of information he reckons still need a reference. He watches this page like a hawk so we might get lucky! Don't worry too much the article is fine - he probably wants you to drive it to a B class :) Sarah777 (talk) 23:21, 20 January 2008 (UTC)
Thanks Sarah, he's removed the TAG now, and tells me the refs are 'a bit messy', guess that's because I've just hit them when I can, (full time teaching and freelance editing doesnt give me much free time, but I am enjoying this and think its all in a good cause! .. So I'll try my best to tidy them up. On the bright side, I got sent some fab photo's of RG's site specific work this week, four of them taken by the artist himself...I've just emailed the copyright holder to see if he'll give me permission to use them for a Gallery! Keep your fingers crossed. Maybe that will make Ww2censor happy...? You never know, it might drive the article into a B class...? I dont much about this stuff..novice...just keep reading the 'How to' guides...how do you become a member of Project Ireland?91.109.189.204 (talk) 12:06, 21 January 2008 (UTC) whoops ..wasnt signed in..Pam
Hope you like the mini gallery Sarah, that's my first gallery! Still waiting for a reply from Mr Gillespie about a some photo's he took...fingers crossed!Pamela Gardiner (talk) 23:50, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
Very nice - mind you I liked The Jubilant Man where he was - dramatic. When you get some more maybe put him back? And remember, no matter how much it looks like 5 will fit the gallery only lets you put 4 in a row. Sarah777 (talk) 00:07, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
Thanks for the tip! - I'll worry about how to make a new row when I've got five photos. I agree, about the jubilant man, I dont think he belongs in the gallery, he doesnt really have the required detail for a gallery pic, and is, as you say, more dramatic! I just didnt want to make a gallery with only one pic! So if the other pics I'm hoping for turn up in the wash, it's a deal, we'll move him back91.109.189.204 (talk) 06:41, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
fabulous image of Pater and Ned, 1996.. at the top of your page! Can we put it in the gallery? Its Rowan's memorial to Irish working men, he was trying to put something back into the centre of the village that he thought it had lost.Pamela Gardiner (talk) 22:41, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
Re 'Pater and Ned' ..sandyford isnt really my territory, i'm just trying my hand like a novice...could put in a quote from Rowan's biog that's about Sandyford..but wasnt quite sure if that was the done thing! ..this wiki stuff is addictive!
on another note ..I was looking at the page on the Great Hunger ..Do you think it might benefit from a section entitled 'The Famine in Irish Literature'...?... I've just read Joseph O'Connor's The Star of the Sea (which is about the potato famine and life aboard a coffin ship) ..other people might know some fab literary references to Famine..? Pamela Gardiner (talk) 21:00, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
Thanks ! This pronounce was for this bulgarian article . In my bulgarian geographic card for Eire this littles towns not. Good day ! Excuse me for my bad english.(Прон).(90.154.207.255 (talk) 07:28, 18 January 2008 (UTC))
Halloween Edit
Hi Sarah, thanks for the note re my edit to the Halloween article back in Nov. I've checked and what I removed was text, not your picture. Hope you have more luck tracking down the culprit. --Dumbo1 (talk) 11:54, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
Hi Sarah and thanks for your message. I've dropped them a message about 3rr; you need to be aware that a content dispute is not something I can exercise my admin tools over, although I agree with you in this case on the content dispute. Secondly I cannot indef block an IP address as they may change over time and another user could be innocently blocked. I note that they have not reverted since I warned at 18:12 on 20 January 2008, so that's good.
If they do revert again, feel free to let another admin know (not me as I have reverted another of their unhelpful contributions and it might look like I was trying to enforce "my" version) and they can be blocked. For future reference any user can place a 3rr warning, but no user is likely to be blocked for edit warring unless they continue after a specific warning.
Hi Sarah. I have re-protected the article, since compromise has clearly not been reached. I have asked any admin who is interested in the content of the article not to unprotect, instead to approach an uninvolved admin with the compromise. Its looking, to me, that now is the time to seek some type of dispute mediation process. Rockpocket01:38, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
O Ireland's H; I wasn't the least bit annoyed - just being deeply philosophical :) And I thought you ran into a maelstrom of photo deletion tags and warnings before anyone bothered to welcome you! Sarah777 (talk) 20:43, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
Category:1020s in Ireland
You would appear to have added some categories like this one with the wrong template - It should have been built with {{IrelandDecade}}. If there are others they will need fixing. Thanks. :: Kevinalewis : /(Desk)10:05, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
Wel, as the only reason I can see is that I said the term was obnoxious when it is applied to Ireland I may as well be banned for claiming that the sun rises in the East. Sarah777 (talk) 19:42, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
I'm sure you find your opinion interesting. Note that you have not been banned for expressing it. And I couldn't care less what they call the Sea of Manx. So long as it isn't the "British Sea" of course. Sarah777 (talk) 20:58, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
Actually, I decided to impose this ban for this personal attack: "You are one of the most insufferably arrogant smug ******'s I've come across on Wiki.". That said, I'm blocking you for 24 hours for this personal attack: "you may not be especially bright I suspect". If your pattern of aggression towards other users continues after the block expires, you will be subject to further blocks. Thank you. Ioeth(talkcontribsfriendly)21:18, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
Wow! Talk about abuse of Admin power! You block me for an attack on yourself. This is the third time in the past year that an Admin has blocked me for a personal dispute. Total abuse of power. Sarah777 (talk) 21:21, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
This user's unblock request has been reviewed by an administrator, who declined the request. Other administrators may also review this block, but should not override the decision without good reason (see the blocking policy).
Gross abuse of Admin powers; blocked for personal attack on the blocker
Decline reason:
The way I read your unblock request, you are stating that you did indeed make a personal attack and that somehow, it is a gross abuse of admin powers to block you for that attack. But in fact, Misplaced Pages does not permit personal attacks. See WP:NPA. — Yamla (talk) 21:25, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
If you want to make any further unblock requests, please read the guide to appealing blocks first, then use the {{unblock}} template again. If you make too many unconvincing or disruptive unblock requests, you may be prevented from editing this page until your block has expired. Do not remove this unblock review while you are blocked.
Ioeth: I already blocked her for three hours for the comments on User Talk:Alison, if you want to change the duration to 24 hours, or to consider those comments in perhaps lengthening the block, go ahead. And Sarah, if you want, you can request an unblock, I promise you, I nor Ioeth will handle the request, you can make your case that we are being unfair to a "neutral" admin. SirFozzie (talk) 21:23, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
Foz, not sure why you decided to stick your nose in here - but I'd rather an explanation why you ignored Waggers sneering attack on me than some whining rationale for blocking me. Sarah777 (talk) 21:27, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
Your continued personal attacks while blocked have lead me to protect this page for the duration of your block. I hope and expect once your block expires, you can refrain from all further personal attacks here. --Yamla (talk) 21:29, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
I adjusted the block length per your message, SirFozzie. I had not noticed that in between my composure of the block notice and submitting the block form that another block had been enacted already. Thank you for letting me know. Ioeth(talkcontribsfriendly)21:28, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
Sarah, in response to your several emails about me "locking your page", I request that you read the sentence from Yamla above, and then I would hope A) When you come back from your block, you at least acknowledge (to yourself, if not to me() it wasn't me who did it, and B) THREE seperate admins have judged your behaviour as incorrect, and make an attempt to change it. SirFozzie (talk) 01:59, 26 January 2008 (UTC)
You could have unlocked it - as you see below the reason for the locking was total garbage and way OTT. But you chose not to. Sarah777 (talk) 23:44, 26 January 2008 (UTC)
I'm back
Firstly, I'd like to apologise...to nobody.
Secondly, I'd like to ask Yamla how "Foz, not sure why you decided to stick your nose in here - but I'd rather an explanation why you ignored Waggers sneering attack on me than some whining rationale for blocking me." is construed as a personal attack meriting sealing my page.
Thirdly, I wish to state, in the clearest possible terms that the term "British Isles" is utterly obnoxious and offensive when applied to Ireland. No amount of threats and bullying by Wiki Admins will change that fact nor my continued pointing out of that fact whenever it is disputed. Sarah777 (talk) 23:36, 26 January 2008 (UTC)
Hi Sarah. I have been watching this from a safe distance (as I'm sure you are aware, I have other issues pressing at the moment). For your third point. Its pretty clear to us all where you stand on this issue. But your statement is just that: your statement. You find it "utterly obnoxious and offensive". I appreciate and understand that. Moreover, you are free to state the fact that you find it so whenever you wish. But the bottom line is that your opinion, and that of the rest of Ireland, does not change the fact that the world, outside the parochial Irish/British conflict, uses the term without any ill-intent. The terms is simply a consequence of colonial history, like British Columbia or the New England, people may find those offensive for all I know (I bet the indigenous peoples of those areas did), but it doesn't change the fact that that is how they are known by everyone else. You say "It is almost never used in Ireland, because the term is repulsive." This is true, I expect. But so what? This isn't an Irish[REDACTED] and it isn't the British wikipedia. Its the English language Misplaced Pages, and the term British Isles is widely used in the English language around the world. As long as we note that the term is objected to in Ireland, then we have done our job.
It sucks that the effect of an often brutal colonial period remains in so much of our geography and language, buts thats how history works. There are campaigns to change that, and that may be a good thing, but Misplaced Pages should not be part of that campaign. We reflect reality, with all its colonial and hegemonic quirks, as painful as that can be. Rockpocket00:32, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
(1) I was threatened by Waggers (Admin) for making anti-British remarks; these involved (yes, check it out) stating that the term "British Isles" was offensive to many Irish people. D'oh.
(2) Waggers got some other Admin to issue a 7-day block on the talkpage of the BI article because of this.
(3) I responded in kind to Waggers.
(4) I appealed to Alison; got no reply from same but Waggers followed me there and made a sneering abusive comment.
(5) Fozzie popped up and warned me but made no remarks whatever about the original remark by Waggers.
(6) I replied and both Fozzie and another Admin rushed to block me.
(7) I asked Fozzie for justification and the other Admin blocked this talkpage; for being so incivil as to ask for a justification for the earlier block!
(8) Fozzie pointed out that he hadn't blocked my talkpage but did bugger-all to explain his initial block and did nothing to remove the talkpage block.
Sarah having been on the wrong end of a few what I thought were wrong decisions, all I can say is just stick at it. Your a great editor. --Domer48 (talk) 11:46, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
Thanks Domer. But so long as you can be threatened for answering arguments on a talkpage this is going to happen. As for keeping it up - I going nowhere unless they ban me forever. There are so many mountains to be mentioned; roads to be registered and villages to verify! Sarah777 (talk) 14:55, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
Interesting summary Sarah; I don't recognise much of it as being what actually happened, but arguing about it now is not going to do either of us, nor Misplaced Pages, any good. Waggers (talk) 19:58, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
I think I smell a whiff of Godwin's law in action here. I don't think you need to bring Nazis into it; really "British Isles" is just a term, not a device for arguing the Republic of Ireland should come back into the United Kingdom. There's nothing political in it. There's an island called Great Britain, and island called Ireland, and loads of little islands and island groups such as Man, Orkney, the Hebrides, etc, all in one big chain. It needs a term, and it's got one, "British Isles". A tad unfortunate that "British" also has political implications, but I don't think anyone interprets it that way other than a few paranoid nationalists. The "North Atlantic Archipelago" is the butt of many a joke among the Irish people I know, as an example of old school paranoia they are proud to say they no longer suffer from. Regards, Deacon of Pndapetzim (Talk) 14:04, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
Deacon, no point in rehashing this; we all have a different POV and "North Atlantic Archipelago" isn't a common suggested term; but 'Britain and Ireland. is pretty common and sounds fine. The analogies I make are in response to repeated claims that there isn't/can't be anything offensive in the name. There is. I just explain why (in between bans and blocks). Must say you have an intriguing name; sounds like a priest on sleeping pills:) Peace Sarah777 (talk) 14:48, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
Welcome back Sarah, congradulations on having your editing abilities restored. Remember, always stay cool under fire, cheers. GoodDay (talk) 17:00, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
I think if you wanted to nominate for AfD then it would have to be carefully worded. Two AfDs in quick succession can often be dismissed as in bad faith, though I think in this case it could be acceptable. What would be required would be a well worded proposal explaining why this article is inherently POV-laden and thus adds little to the project at the same time acting as a large energy sink. If you wanted to try that, I could take care of the technical aspects of nominating on your behalf. I would rather not propose the deletion myself, since as the protecting admin It would not be appropriate.
If you wanted to rename, then you could start by making a proposal on the talk page. What new name are you thinking on? Rockpocket06:44, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
Rockpocket, I'd have to give that some quality thinking time as I reckon "List of killings considered massacres by the Western Media" won't fly! Let me sleep on it! Sarah777 (talk) 19:38, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
Truth
I like the little quotation at the top of your User page. Also the memorial to Gaimhreadhan. He telephoned me twice to discuss Misplaced Pages proceedings, and I found him most delightful. One of the world's losses, I fear. Regards, David Lauder (talk) 14:29, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
Indeed. He made a big impression on me in a short time even though we didn't actually agree on very much. Integrity and courage shine through the cyber-fog. Or so I like to think. Sarah777 (talk) 19:41, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
I dropped a blatant vandal warning on his talk page. He has probably gone, but if he comes back with that account, just go to AIV. FlowerpotmaN·(t) 11:49, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
Unless Benny is notable in the Wiki sense this has no place in the article. Not sure what you mean by it has nothing to do with you.Sarah777 (talk) 22:07, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
If you have a whiny complaint about incivility or edit warring etc please leave it here:
Re this edit, which part of 0RR were you struggling to understand? Next time will be a block. Please let us not go there, especially when the discussion seems to be making progress. --John (talk) 21:00, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
I am not talking about why you reverted, I am talking about the fact that you reverted at all, in spite of the agreement on the talk page. You are very lucky not to have gone straight to a block; you can thank the fact that my cold is better today. Do not even think about doing it again, if you want to be able to edit Misplaced Pages for the next few days. --John (talk) 21:08, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
Oh. Poor little John. You saying your judgement is dependent on your mood? Is that what Wiki Admins have come to? Not objective standards atall atall then? What was wrong with my edit - answer that and spare me tedious details about your sniffles. Sarah777 (talk) 21:15, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
I suggest you read the reply at my talk. This conversation is now over, but I warn you I will not be so tolerant the next time. Do be careful, as in spite of your disingenuousness I do still think you can be part of the solution rather than part of the problem. Rather than making another clever comment, think about what I said; it is not negotiable and I will not negotiate it with you. Best wishes, --John (talk) 21:20, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
I suppose one should record here that one made an appalling mistake and have abjectly apologised to John (on Ali's page?). Despite my claims I can now confirm that John is not English. Also, his cold is gone and thus, QED, cannot be claimed to be affecting his judgement. Which judgement is spectacularly sound. Sarah777 (talk) 22:05, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
Hello
Hello, Sarah. I'm reading an interesting book at the moment, which I think that you might enjoy: The Decline and Fall of the British Empire by Piers Brendon. I, of course, see this as a terrible tragedy and I suspect that you do too . Anyway, it's a rather critical, left-wing view of (surprise!) the decline and fall of the British Empire. The section on the Irish Potato Famine is very interesting, but short, and I couldn't really recommend buying the book simply for the 3 or so pages that are devoted to that subject, but I suspect that it would be interesting to you because it takes the British narrative (more or less what I was taught at school) - ie. it's not simply an Irish perspective - but the references are 'anti-British'. The overall effect is rather effective. If I can summon up the energy I might post something on the Talk page. (To be howled down, no doubt.)
Incidentally, apropos all the massacres excitement, I have an interesting quotation from a Spanish armada captain, wrecked on the coast of Ireland, describing how his sailors were summarily massacred by the wild and woolly natives as they swam ashore. Although it's mostly one way, it's not all one way!
Hi folks and folkies - I'm back after a couple of days in the Occupied Six! Major - it wasn't easy but I managed it! Now I'm off to read who's been squabbling with whom during my brief bit of foreign travel....Sarah777 (talk) 20:54, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
Hello, I am leaving a friendly notice to invite you to participate at a requested move from 'Football in the Republic of Ireland' to 'Association football in the Republic of Ireland', due to your participation in a previous requested move. Hope to see you there! EJF (talk) 21:18, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
Hey! That was friendly. Normally messages claiming to be friendly contain miscellaneous threats, often of the Administrative kind. What a nice change! Sarah777 (talk) 23:15, 9 February 2008 (UTC)
Gimme a break
I started an article (one in a series under construction) about 10 minutes ago and already you and another have tagged, retagged, edited, deleted etc about 5 times! Pl check what is going on before wading in - thanks. Sarah777 (talk) —Preceding comment was added at 23:07, 9 February 2008 (UTC)
And I have please for you: Please, don't use any more offensive words in my discusion, because I will carry about it admins, I can see that you were blocked, so be through with harmful activity. Good night. Alden(Sharon boyfriend) or talk00:20, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
Man - I've had more blocks than you've had hot breakfasts based on you page! But you should always look before you leap. Sarah777 (talk) 00:31, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
Please: settle petal! And you no personall attacked me ok? I won't let myself such things, you think that since you are on the net you are tough? Here reliable principles are prevailing - principles worked out by the community so that everyone can efficiently function, and in order to fight around trolling which you are coming into contact with at least of course it is only my subjective opinion, because never not idze until the end to have the objective opinion. Greets;] Paweł Alden or my talk page10:46, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
Year in Ireland categories
You know the CfD was closed as merge and you just created 6 more of these categories anyway. I strongly suggest you stop creating them until a possible deletion review has completed. PrimeHunter (talk) 02:58, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
I see you continue. I'm not going to use administrative powers when I was involved in the CfD, but if you don't stop creating these categories then I will report it to WP:ANI. PrimeHunter (talk) 03:11, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
You have my answer on your page. ANI? That's one of the few places I haven't been to yet. Sounds kind of exciting! They'll dish out Admin powers to anyone these days, eh? Sarah777 (talk) 03:16, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
Well, they dished them out unanimously at Misplaced Pages:Requests for adminship/PrimeHunter. It's actually rare people get upset at me. I'm not out to get you or anyone else but just doing what I think improves Misplaced Pages. You have strong feelings about the category system. Maybe take a look at WP:COOL. I'm glad to see you have stopped creating the categories so maybe you don't need it. PrimeHunter (talk) 03:50, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
Holy Dotty Admin Batman! Not a single 'oppose'. Be sure to alert me the next time so I can break your duck. Figuratively. Sarah777 (talk) 04:31, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
I still need a ruling from Angus-Who-Made-the-Appalling-Decision; pending that I'm on hold. I must say I'm rather surprised nobody else got annoyed with you; personally I get annoyed about lots of things. Especially Wiki-Admins. Anyway, as you are Danish you'll appreciate your forebears played no small part in trying to destroy the vast trove of written records in Ireland from 400 to 900; I guess you are merely continuing that tradition. Sarah777 (talk) 03:59, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
I'm well aware of the terrible vikings. We have been more civilized in the last millenium. I haven't removed or supported removal of a single character of Irish history. I merely prefer another way to organize that information and hope you will continue to add to it even if you dislike the structure. PrimeHunter (talk) 04:19, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
Hi sarah, i just wanted to point out that one problem with doing year categories with ireland is the lack of standard dates between 400-700. the annals use various dates and professional historians make their decisions based on their interpretations of theses dates. in the various[REDACTED] articles i have seen on irish history in this period i have seen no standard used and dates are going to conflict. in all the articles on early connacht, munster, and ulaid kings that i have started, i am using a standard introduced by Daniel P. McCarthy a professor of mathematics at university cork who has done an exhaustive analysis of the annals chronology and has come up with a standard of dating which is fantastic.This is not followed in other articles i have seen on the early high kings of ireland and could lead to much confusion.just wanted to let you know.if your into some heavy reading on it you can check the website https://www.cs.tcd.ie/Dan.McCarthy/chronology/synchronisms/Edition_4/K_trad/K_synch.htm. Timelinefrog (talk) 04:29, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
Re: Gimme a break!
Hi! ;] I'm not responsible for what is Alden Jones doing and I don't know why he said thanks to me . I should explain my edits anyway. I have removed proper piped links—just forgive me for these edits, I've just forgot about reading a proper MOS. I also hid empty sections. In this case, I suggest to use {{sectstub}}, just to fill these empty sections with some text. What do you think about that? What's more, I also think we should add stub template to the article. Greets. Visor (talk) 12:37, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
Years in Ireland
No, not the categories. There's a problem with doing stuff like ] ]. It doesn't work with the automatic date formatting stuff - see this - so anyone who has set their preferences to show US or ISO style dates is going to be surprised. Angus McLellan(Talk)13:14, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
Sarah, I assure you that my intent was not to revert edits with which I have an ideological problem. My revert was done specifically because the previous edit had damaged references and left incomplete text in the article. I said so in my edit summary. Cheers! ---RepublicanJacobiteThe'FortyFive'23:24, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
Here Ye, Here Ye! For one week beginning this Very Moment I will refrain from editing any Ireland v Brit Occupiers articles; including but not Exclusively 1641; The Troubles & soforth. Ditto the execrable "List of so-called Maffacres" & soforth. And be Advised that in the Realm of Ye Years in Irelande not a single category shall I create nor even alter howsoever deserveth. The reason for these measures are that the Roads of Irelande; Villages thereof and even the Hills and Streams are currently Bereft of my Attention. Sarah777 (talk) 23:39, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
Sarah, if you have the time and inclination, I wrote an article on my favourite author on the NI war. It's at Tony Geraghty, if you have the time and inclination to have a look. I've also proposed some criteria at the massacres talk page; what do you think of them? --John (talk) 08:02, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
Indeed Bastun I can fairly say I'm some hours into my second day. Be amazed. John, I will look at both - have some catching up to do first. Sarah777 (talk) 00:44, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
Cut and paste moves
Thank you for your contributions to Misplaced Pages. It appears that you recently copied the contents of a page and pasted it into another with a different name. Specifically, you copied the contents of Emo and pasted it into Emo (music). This is what we call a "cut and paste move", and it is very undesirable because it splits the article's history, which is needed for attribution and is helpful in many other ways. The mechanism we use for renaming articles is to move it to a new name which both preserves the page's history and automatically creates a redirect from the old title to the new. In most cases, you should be able to move an article yourself using the "Move" tab at the top of the page. If there is an article that you cannot move yourself by this process, follow the instructions at Misplaced Pages:Requested moves to request the move by another. Also, if there are any other articles that you copied and pasted, even if it was a long time ago, please list them at Misplaced Pages:Cut and paste move repair holding pen. Thank you. --Muchness (talk) 02:27, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
Norrn Iron demo of #000062 border colourFrom what I can see, the discussion petered out when you wanted a better image than Image:NIShape.gif (see right), but I couldn't find one.
I think we both moved on to other issues, but it still seems like a good idea. So I suggest that I create the template with NIShape.gif, which can be replaced with a better image if anyone finds or makes one. Is that OK with you?
Also, I think that we need to decide a colour for the border of the box. I think that neither orange nor green would be appropriate (both would be seen as partisan), and I can't think of a suitable alterantive ... so I suggest the we use the dark blue #000062 as used on the website of the Northern Ireland Executive. I assume that the dark blue colour scheme must have been agreed by the parties in the executive as an acceptable alternative to the colours associated with the various political strands in NI, and that it's therefore as close as we can get to a neutral solution.
File:NIShape blue.gifNorrn Iron demo of #000062 border colourOK, I have now created a blue version of the map Image:NIShape blue.gif, and the box on the left is an updated doodle using the blue map.
Norrn Iron demo of 2 colours of various shades Yes on both counts; we need a similar template for NI if only to reward the tireless Ardfern! The Blue looks striking; far better than the pale green - but I guess we should ask the Northern members; Bastun is rarely stuck for a comment. I especially like the light blue Lough Neagh and county borders...it gives a navy/blue effect which reminds me of my adopted county; (Hint:Molly Malone). On the other hand you just might start another raging war with this one! Sarah777 (talk) 00:53, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
Eeek! If Jack had not been vacuously posturing when he said "we will not stand idly by", your map might might be useable. But since nowt happened, I think it might just be as wee but provocative to anyone who doesn't recall the border being withdrawn :)
My commiserations on your choice adopted county. From that part of the world, the signs to civilisation are spelt "N4" and "N7" :) (I'm a refugee from Dublin, so I'm allowed to slag it a bit)
If it's heaven, you're after, go west, and get a proper Atlantic sunset. Poor old Carlow don't have no sea at all!
Though I have to confess I have fond memories of County Carlow, after a rather wonderful holiday there. We found a quiet corner on the road from nowhere to nowhere, and judging by way all the faces looked so very similar and so very Norman, no-one else had been in or out of the area for about 700 years. We had a wonderful unwind-together time, and it was a great place it for that. :) --BrownHairedGirl(talk) • (contribs) 11:14, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
Great job BHG - have looked at 1969 - exceptionally cool. Love it - only hope our other NI punters love it too. Thanks to you and Sarah for all the kind words. No need for barnstars (although very nice to get them) - rather just get on with the work. Ardfern (talk) 20:19, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
Hello. Unfortunately I can't move it back because I'm not an admin, and in any case I'm not convinced it shouldn't be the primary topic. In my opinion, your best course of action is to contact the admin who made the move (Haemo), file a move request, and/or start a discussion about whether the music style should be the primary topic on the article's talk page. Regards. --Muchness (talk) 02:34, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
Saw that. For most of its life the music article was titled Emo (music); then Emo became a dab page and just 2 days ago Heamo made the (rather obscure) music the main page with all other uses relegated. He described the move as a non-controversial move; but now only an Admin (such as yourself - extremely strong hint) can move it back to the dab page. (Btw; the fact an article cannot be moved a second time without Admin tools gives me a great idea of the WP:BEANS variety).
I think it should be moved back and then let Haemo propose making "Emo music" the clear, unambiguous primary meaning of the word. Otherwise I'll have to cut and paste again. Or think of something more inventive!Sarah777 (talk) 10:13, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
Uh, I didn't move the article two days ago — I moved it months ago, in October of 2007. I deleted the redirect page, after the article at Emo, which is now at Emo (disambiguation) was moved so that Emo (music) could be moved to Emo, which was an uncontroversial request made by User:Cheeser1, but which he couldn't do because he didn't have admin tools. There was no objection at the time, and this is the first objection that's been raised in the 4 months since then. --Haemo (talk) 20:18, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
Well, the move was consensual at the time, and I didn't really have any opinion on it even then — so I think it would be better if you discussed it on the talk page. I don't really think overturning a 4 month long consensus because of a single disagreement is the right idea — talk to the other editors, and if you get consensus for the move you can contact me, or request a move. --Haemo (talk) 17:38, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
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