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Haile Selassie

I worked so hard on this, it really pains me to see you disordering it and pulling it in a POV direction. You do not even seem to have tried to address my concerns, which I will repeat for you here:

• There is a name section. Rasta names belong there, because they are no more important than any other names.
• There are now two paragraphs implying that Haile Selassie is a religious icon, in the opening. One suggests merely that he is a religious icon, without mentioning that only a tiny minority of people believe that: Haile Selassie is simply not a religious icon in general, only to a fringe minority.
• Your version states "movement was founded in Jamaica in the early 1930s" twice in the same paragraph...
• without citing "1930s"--that's what needs to be cited.
• Lastly, although you may be passionate about it, the Rastafarian religion is not Haile Selassie's central legacy. The man ran an empire for six decades; that's who he is. For this reason, mention of Rastafari belongs at the end of the opening, just as the Rastafarian sections belongs last in the entry.

Is there anything you disagree with, that I've stated above? Let's talk this out, and let's talk it out efficiently, so I can get back to serious work on the entry and not waste my time chitchatting. I know a lot of people like to chitchat on Misplaced Pages, but that's not my style... And I think you know I'm the best thing that ever happened to that entry, so I'm sure you don't want to waste too much of my time, right? DBaba (talk) 01:30, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

Er, what I did is absolutely not pulling it in a POV diorection but quite the opposite, it is keeping it NPOV. Selassie is highly notable as the Rastafarian God, and the Rastafari do venerate him as God. You appear to want to sweep that under the carpet. Him being a religious icon for Ethiopians is completely different from what has developed re the Rastafari and there is no probable about how they see him. Your claim that it is not his central legacy is precisely that, a claim, and indeed only history will judge that but you cannot in the meantime claim that it is only a tiny minority who claim him as the messiah. Please also do not assume I have worked less hard on the article or that it pains me any less to see you pulling it apart on what is clearly a POV crusade. Also names should always be in the beginning, your naming section is contrary to our style guidelines. It is easily citable that Rastafari began in the early thirties. Why do you challenge that fact. Your final assertion just demonstates that you are pushing a POV, please dont do so. Thanks, SqueakBox 02:40, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

Most of that doesn't really make sense to me. Let's leave the part about my "POV crusade", which has featured meticulous research and 400 edits that you've not objected to until now, and talk about the names section first. Why are you claiming the names section is unacceptable, but only framing the Rasta names in the intro? What about the Ethiopian names and the royal titles? Is it neutral to pick your favorite names according to your POV? Am I picking names according to my POV too, or are you the only one doing that?

It still says "movement was founded in Jamaica in the early 1930s" twice in the same paragraph: Doesn't that look really stupid to you, too? I don't know man, this is so weird of you, especially to accuse me of trying to "sweep under the rug" the Rastafari angle after I've argued to maintain it in the opening, I just don't know if you're really hearing me at all. DBaba (talk) 03:40, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

just a general comment

Don't take any of that which is frequently thrown your way to heart. You're doing a great job, and you do it looking good. User:Dorftrottel 06:26, February 20, 2008

Question

I know you are a powerful editor or admin of some sort. I noticed that you removed a link to a video on the Fidel Castro talk page. Was there a reason for that, i.e. is it against the rules to post outside links? I fortunately saw the link before it was removed and it was some very interesting historical footage by the National Geographic and other sources. Just curious, as I can never figure out the rules around here. Regards, Mattisse 01:13, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

It would be better coming from a site that was not dailymotion or similar, eg could be a copyright violation, etc. I don't consider daily motion a reliable site. Thanks, SqueakBox 01:16, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

it is referenced

http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Larry_Sanger&diff=193185702&oldid=193151916 The fact tag was added to the references. The reference is there. The reference is the reference. QuackGuru (talk) 02:47, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2006/jul/13/media.newmedia Here is the reference to support the text. QuackGuru (talk) 02:51, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Talk:Larry_Sanger&curid=17605&diff=193336635&oldid=193322152 I have commented on the talk page. Please discuss. QuackGuru (talk) 20:07, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

AfD nomination of San José Pinula

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dictator

someone inists on using the word dictator to refer to joseph stalin on the article J Stalin would you please put some sense into them? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.180.37.2 (talk) 23:22, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

BLP violation

I believe there is a serious libel BLP violation at J Stalin. The source claiming he was a criminal drug dealer is his album notes. But its a non-notable album sold at his performances and out of his car. Its unavailable and unverifiable. Attempts to place the dubious tag were agressively removed by an editor with steadfast support of the article. WP:OWN issues.Icamepica (talk) 04:26, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

Its not there now but I have re-added it top my watchlist. Thanks, SqueakBox 04:28, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for caring man.

user wikidemo reverted my removal of the selling candy on the bart train, and also removed my {{fact}} on the non contentious claim that he started rapping at age 13 which is cited based on unpublished album notes which cannot be found. this is on the J Stalin article, would someone intervene and revert and also discuss?Icamepica (talk) 07:52, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

AfD nomination of J Stalin

An article that you have been involved in editing, J Stalin, has been listed for deletion. If you are interested in the deletion discussion, please participate by adding your comments at Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/J Stalin (2nd nomination). Thank you. Icamepica (talk) 05:03, 25 February 2008 (UTC)