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Issaquah Middle School follow-up

Since you "urged" me to find independent sources stating the notability of Issaquah Middle School, I searched for more information on the school and the sources and information derived is as followed:

http://community.seattletimes.nwsource.com/schoolguide/profile.php?results=&building_id=3038&search= Statistics on the school compared to other schools in the region from the city paper The Seattle Times

http://www.metrokc.gov/dnrp/swd/greenschools/issaquah-school-district.asp King County website stating the improvments to the enviromental-friendly changes schools in the Issaquah School District which include Issaquah Middle School.

Thank you and I hope you reconsider your decision to delete the webpage.

Repeatedly misrepresenting sources or content dispute?

Hi, I put the following issue on ANI but got no apparent admin response.

At least 3 other editors see this as a content dispute, (not an "editor behavior matter" as it appears to me).

My understanding was that the content of a source had to be accurately represented in an article. So when a source says "the US government accuses and alleges" we can not replace that with "he admitted to" or "he did this ..." while citing that source. However I see that many of my fellow editors think otherwise which puzzles me greatly. If you have a simple insight that would illuminate my darkness I would appreciate it. (It should be stated here that a source for "he did this ..." has now been found. And that I suggested to PJ weeks ago that this could be possible and would be totally acceptable to me.)

My continuing concern is that repeatedly misrepresenting sources after discusion on the matter has been successfully defended against by citing WP:WEIGHT and portraying my attempts to ensure accuracy as me argueing over reliability of sources, WP:IDONTLIKEIT, disruptive, POV, unnecessary and flawed in their basic understanding of how WP works.

When reading the David Hicks talk page SHM discusion please be aware that the SMH source lists specific accusations and allegations that are accurately reflected in the article; "learning guerilla warfare, weapons training, including landmines, kidnapping techniques and assassination methods.". The ABC source with DEBBIE WHITMONT has no mention of the specific allegations. The ABC source is the "other sources" I am accused of deleting from the article. So - as I see it - PJ switched from misrepresenting one source to misrepresenting another source.

(re-edited from ANI version)

In article David Hicks /Religious and militant activities/Afghanistan a source lists allegations against David Hicks. (article: US charges David Hicks)

Prester John has repeatedly edited to present the allegations/accusations as facts/admissions. He has been told that this is not acceptable. This problem has been discussed here on the article talkpage with PresterJohn and Skyring/Pete and also on archived User_talk:Prester_John#David_Hicks allegations.

Misrepresenting edits

Revision as of 00:43, 3 February 2008

Revision as of 01:59, 13 January 2008

Revision as of 00:10, 12 January 2008

The same edits have also been performed by IP

Revision as of 03:10, 1 February 2008 by 124.180.162.217

PresterJohn had been blocked for 1 month starting 09:49, 9 December 2007 (UTC) by Save_Us_229 according to page Talk to the Hand. The first of the misrepresentation of sources began 12 January 2008.(ANI report lodged 02:17, 3 February 2008)

Have been feeling unhappy about this issue - no support from ANI at all, then getting told "its a content dispute" and "just let it go" - if my view is in error please show me where. If I should have done something diffferent I would like to know. At present it seems that a big snow job is an adequate defense for PJ and Skyring/Pete against their disruptive behavior. SmithBlue (talk) 02:34, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

Admin Stifle is suggesting that I do a RfC or mediation cabal. After the spectacular unsuccess of the ANI report I would appreciate any assistance you could offer in doing things beter this time. SmithBlue (talk) 15:06, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for your suggestions re mediation or RfC - I can't see how to neutrally frame a RfC over what to my eyes is clearly disruptive editing. (I had no content dispute with either of the two editors promoting disruptive views related to this issue.) If you could re-frame this issue so that I could understand how it is being seen as "a content dispute" I would be grateful. (If you are not open to having diffs posted in reply that show this is not a content dispute please make this clear and I will respect your wishes.) Would a mediation request on whether this is a "content dispute" or "disruptive editing" make any sense? So: If you are willing please suggest to me how to frame this issue for a RfC or mediation request. My ANI was much worse than a waste of time and I'd like to do things effectively. SmithBlue (talk) 08:35, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

Coppertwig has been kind enough to present the details of a view in which this issue can be seen as a "content dispute". But that view ignores WP:VER and WP:BLP and, worse, helps destroy the collaboarative foundations of WP. My discusion with Coppertwig can be fund at my talk page]. I have made the following request to Coppertwig and repeat it to you; This "content dispute" view needs to be challenged. Please show me how to effectively do so. SmithBlue (talk) 08:27, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

You categorize this issue as a content dispute. Have you read the discusions I have had with PresterJohn and Skyring that I referenced above?here on the article talkpage and archived User_talk:Prester_John#David_Hicks allegations You say above that you have a full rationale for everything you do and that if asked will be happy to tell me why you did anything. So I ask: "Please tell me why you categorize this issue as a content dispute" SmithBlue (talk) 04:41, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

Denver

We should work on setting up a Denver Wikimeetup man! Jmlk17 12:27, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

Barnstar

		The Barnstar of Justice
		For carrying out administrative duties with fairness, gentleness and, well, adminliness.

I hereby award you this barnstar, Seraphimblade. --Coppertwig (talk) 15:02, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

St. John's University (New York City)

the article edit war is continuing... just lock it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 150.210.226.2 (talk) 18:30, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

I second the opinion expressed above - the article should (at least temporarily) be semi-protected. Also, it was recommended to me that I forward a report submitted to ANI to you, seeing as you were the admin that issued the recent warning regarding reversions to this article. Here is the report (~ Homologeo (talk) 19:43, 22 February 2008 (UTC)):

A number of anons have been engaged in an off-and-on edit war on the section order in and structure of the article on St. John's University (New York City). This article has been semi-protected in the past, but that doesn't seem to have stopped these individuals from trying to get their way without reaching consensus. Recently, a warning has been issued more than once informing everyone editing this article that further blind reversions (that often remove even non-controversial edits) will not be tolerated. This anon - 71.240.28.168 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) - chose to disregard this warning, and made another blind reversion to the article. Disciplinary action may be necessary to emphasize the need for collaboration when editing an article, and to remind editors that blindly undoing the contributions of others and refusing to seek consensus are not the way the Misplaced Pages community functions. ~ Homologeo (talk) 18:29, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

Another anon - 38.104.69.46 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) - has just reverted the article again. Please semi-protect this page, or at least block (if only temporarily) these two users. ~ Homologeo (talk) 19:52, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

This user and this user (who are one and the same and was already blocked for using sockpuppets) is the one behind all the edit warring. Uconnstud (talk) 00:32, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

He also deleted your warnings Uconnstud (talk) 00:33, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

Uconnstud (talk) 20:37, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

I have not intentionally sockpuppeted, and have only accidentally used other IP's when i'm logged in at my office compared to my home. This editor is trying very hard to make me look like a vandal, when it is really him who is vandalizing. I am attempting to discuss these issues rationally with him, but instead he has attempted every possible meathod to have my user blocked. See Talk:St. John's University (New York City). I have never represented myself as anything other than TiconderogaCCB, and have even signed as such when I realize I'm not signed in. ---TiconderogaCCB (talk) 20:44, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

Seraphimblade, you yourself blocked him last year for edit warring and sockpupettry last year. Uconnstud (talk) 20:50, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

Believe what you will Saraphimblade, but all I have done is try to prevent this crazy kid from posting outlandish, irrelevant, and falacious things to the St. John's page. I have always contributed relevant and good information to articles, and now I am at a disadvantage because I do not know the system like this kid does. Here, look at the version of the article he wanted: and compare to the current article. This is what its all about. For whatever reason he wants the SJU page to be a scandal column, and others do not agree, and now he is doing this. - --TiconderogaCCB (talk) 20:58, 26 February 2008 (UTC)