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Tiptoety

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Tiptoety (talk · contribs) - We are nominating User:Tiptoety for adminship. He has over 13,000 edits on Misplaced Pages, having been an active editor since May 2007. He has a lot of experience in maintaining article quality, in areas of categorizing categories, merging, vandal patroller, and neutral point of view. Tiptoety would make a fantastic admin, as we know he will not abuse the tools, but use them to good use. And, he has all the basics an admin should have. --  ThinkBlue  (Hit BLUE) and iMatthew 2008 23:59, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

Candidate, please indicate acceptance of the nomination here: I accept, thank you. Tiptoety 04:25, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

Questions for the candidate

Dear candidate, thank you for offering to serve Misplaced Pages as an administrator. It is recommended that you answer these optional questions to provide guidance for participants:

1. What admin work do you intend to take part in?

A:

• I plan to perform a wide variety of administrative tasks to help and serve the community. As shown in my contributions I have a long history of dealing with users who make edits without the projects best interest in mind, some call them vandals, I call them mis-guided users. I hope to continue to educate and remove their un-helpful contributions from the project in a civil manner, attempt to educate the user, and when necessary block their editing privileges. I will continually monitor WP:AIV, and block when appropriate. My hope though is that educating the user prior to the block will ultimately produce a constructive project building user, who does not need a block.
• For a while now, I have been looking at the small backlog that seems to form at Category:Speedy deletion and have noticed articles that require immediate attention, but sometimes do not receive it. It is my goal to eliminate those articles from wikipedia. My philosophy when it comes to deletion is to look first if the article could be improved, and if it appears that it could be, look for reliable sources to verify the content within the article. If none is found and the article does not violate and WP:BLP or any other policy, leave a message with the author of the content stating that I would be willing to place the deleted content within their userspace for further editing before being released back into article space.
• Something that I have been doing for a while now is monitoring WP:AN/I and WP:AN, and when needed putting in my thoughts or helping new or old users in need of advice, I feel that with the tools I would be better fit to assist the users that come to ANI for help. I have noticed there are often threads that go un-attended for a great while sometimes, ones that can only really be dealt with by someone with the tools. I know that with all of the backlogs and the need for administrators it can take a while for anyone wot preform the task needed to mark the thread as resolved, so having one more pair of eyes to be able to help out could not hurt.
• Another area that could do with an extra pair of administrative eyes is WP:RFPP. I feel that with 58 requests to RFPP, I clearly understand WP:PROTECT and would be an asset to that section of the project.

2. What are your best contributions to Misplaced Pages, and why?

A:When it comes to article space I feel that my best contributions would be the creation of Multnomah County Sheriff's Office Search and Rescue, while this article has received improvement from multiple other users, the bulk has been done by myself. I feel that while this article is somewhat lacking in amount of content, it makes up for in kind of content, all the claims are sourced, and the section that is not is being worked on currently. I feel that this article proves my capabilities to produce and improve articles along with simple aspects such as wiki-markup and such. I feel that non-article space related, some of my better contributions have been to AN/I, and AN.

3. Have you been in any conflicts over editing in the past or have other users caused you stress? How have you dealt with it and how will you deal with it in the future?

A:Edit conflicts? No. But users that have caused me stress, yes. I have had my fair share of un-constructive, users who make it their goal to attack me and disrupt me in any way shape or form they can find. But, I handle every situation with the same approach always WP:AGF, be WP:CIVIL, and try talking with the users, when all else fails, bring in a third party, or just report to WP:AIV. Now if i was ever to find myself in an editing dispute, the same process would go as above just noting that i fallow a strict 1RR rule, and after that all conversations take place on the article talk page, not in the edit summary’s. Just like always, if situations escalate, call in a un-involved third party, or bring it to AN/I.

Questions from Avruch

4. What were the concerns raised in your previous two requests that caused them to be unsuccessful, and how have you addressed them? Can you anticipate if any similar or new concerns will be raised in this request, and how you might respond?

A: Well my first RfA was just premature, it was me not knowing quite what an administrator is. My second one had a few issues, one stands out the most to be for the reason it was un-successful, that being an issue with me placing a userbox in my userpace stating that i was a police officer, and stating i was such in a conversation with a user. I am not a police officer, yet a police cadet. I will not justify my reason for mi-representing myself because it was wrong. I will say that i have sense removed all userboxs/statements from my userpace that deal with my Law Enforcement status, and have not spoke to another user involving my status with the police until now. I think another reason brought up in my RfA was me nominating a very notable person *blushes in embarrassment* for deletion. What was i thinking? A little more work and research would have yielded a dumbfounding amount of sources asserting notability. It ultimately opened my eyes that i need to be more careful when it comes to deletion, and sense then check for verification and sources before nominating anything including speedy material for deletion. And i think the final reason my second one went down in flames was that i nominated myself, I think thats not a problem this time around. :p Tiptoety 05:17, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

5. What is your opinion on CAT:AOR?

A: What is my opinion about it? Or will I add myself to it? I have thought about this question for a good long time now. The idea itself is great, there should always be checks and balances, and when users standing in good faith see that it would be in the best interest of the project for myself or another admin to be re-confirmed then that’s what needs to be done, it was the community that placed the admin in the positions because they trusted them, it should be their choice to remove them if they have lost that trust. Now does this mean I think that because an admin makes a difficult block because they think they are protecting the project and make some users unhappy they should be over run? No, and that’s where the issue comes in with me. I feel that I would add myself to the category because i have not seen any abuse of it yet, but reserve the right to remove myself from it if the idea results in bad faith re-confirmations. BUT like always will allow myself to go through i re-confirmation process at anytime that 3 admins or more think it would be in the best interest of the project. Tiptoety 05:25, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

General comments

• See Tiptoety's edit summary usage with mathbot's tool. For the edit count, see the talk page.

• Requests for adminship/Tiptoety
• Requests for adminship/Tiptoety 2
• Requests for adminship/Tiptoety 3

• Links for Tiptoety: Tiptoety (talk · contribs · deleted · count · AfD · logs · block log · lu · rfar · spi)

Please keep discussion constructive and civil. If you are unfamiliar with the nominee, please thoroughly review Special:Contributions/Tiptoety before commenting.

Discussion

Support

1. Strong Support Most definitely ready to become an admin. THE KC (talk) 01:22, 25 February 2008 (UTC).
2. Strong support - from all interaction with Tiptoety I've found him to be extremely helpful and clearly understands policy - will make a fantastic admin. Ryan Postlethwaite 04:28, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
3. Support Will be a good admin. Burner0718 04:29, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
4. Still a little bothered by the police thing from before, but his work has generally been quality so I see no reason to oppose at this time. Avruch 04:34, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
5. Support - Experienced user all around. I can see no potential problems whatsoever. Wisdom89 _{(T / )} 04:36, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
6. Support - Wait a sec, he isn't an admin? Keilana| 05:05, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
7. Strong support. One of the editors I see around most frequently. I had assumed he was already an admin - as for the concerns cited, the given article is perfectly fine. It's not against policy to write sub-FA articles. Heck, look at most things I write, they're completely uncited. RyanGerbil10(Kick 'em in the Dishpan!) 06:21, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
8. Support Very thorough editor; no problems supporting. CBHAIO. Master of Puppets _{Call me MoP!☺} 06:31, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
9. Support It was tough to oppose last time, but I'm happy to support this time around. Tiptoety will make a great admin. Good luck! faithless () 06:39, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
10. Support No problems here. MBisanz 07:11, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
11. -- Anonymous Dissident 07:46, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
12. Rouge no big deal support. dihydrogen monoxide (H₂0) 08:43, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
13. Support A good editor. --Siva1979 09:56, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
14. Support - An experienced user who can be trusted with the tools. --LAX 11:27, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
15. STRONG SUPPORT Great user, have interacted with him here and Travel Guide Wiki, and I don't think that Tiptoety will abuse the tools. NHRHS2010 11:49, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
16. Support I've seen him around, and was impressed with his contributions. Good luck! Spencer 12:06, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
17. Majorly (talk) 12:31, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
18. Strong Support I've had nothing but high quality interaction with this candidate. Pedro :  Chat  13:07, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
19. Support. You don't need writing skills to make a good admin. Malinaccier Public (talk) 13:23, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
20. Support. per response to Q #4 and reviewing the opposes from RfA #2. I see a not insignificant amount of effort directed at self-improvement here. To me, that shows the right kind of attitude. Ronnotel (talk) 13:45, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
21. Support - trustworthy editor. Addhoc (talk) 13:52, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
22. Very well accomplished editor. Rtac. 14:24, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
23. Support. Awesome editor, very clueful. I've never seen him be anything other than totally friendly, and always makes a lot of sense when participating in discussions. delldot talk 14:42, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
24. Support meets my standards. We can't all be article builders. The user has knowledge to use the block, protect, and delete buttons. Although article building is helpful, it is not essential to the admin-specific buttons. User's other experiences offset the "lack" of article building. Dlohcierekim 14:58, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
25. Support--Húsönd 15:54, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
26. Support - This user is a great editor whom is well suited for the tools! :-) Scarian 16:04, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
27. Support - Very good user whom I know will use the tools well. The Chronic 16:39, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
28. Support - Shows good interest in doing admin level work ☯Ferdia O'Brien /_(C) 16:42, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
29. Support - Excellent user. Epbr123 (talk) 18:29, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
30. Strong support Great candidate who will undoubtedly make a great admin. нмŵוτнτ 19:59, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
31. support —DerHexer (Talk) 20:03, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
32. Support. Brilliant user, some disagreeable opposes. Would, to quote a famous user, be a net positive to Misplaced Pages. _{WEBURIEDOURSECRETSINTHEGARDEN} 20:42, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

    Out of interest, what user would that be? Pedro :  Chat  23:08, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

33. Support As per nom and Keilana why not earlier is the question only Tenpoundhammer is amongst the unlucky not to be an admin.Great track with over 13000 edits.Concerns in previous RFA overcome.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 21:04, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
34. Support Responsible user. RC-0722 /_kills 23:03, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
35. I was more than happy to grant Tiptoety rollback (in fact, he is the first user I ever gave rollback to), and I am more than happy to support this nomination. Tiptoety will make a good administrator. Acalamari 00:14, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
36. Support - as nominator. --  ThinkBlue  (Hit BLUE) 00:42, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
37. Support - as co-nominator. iMatthew 2008 00:43, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
38. Support - I can't see any problems with this user. PookeyMaster (talk) 01:15, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
39. Support Perfect Edit summary usage, and would make a great admin! - Milk's Favorite Cookie 01:23, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
40. Super Strong Support! I do not believe that Tiptoety is not an admin. I'm glad I read my userpage! Alexfusco 02:03, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
41. Support - very good editor, will make a good admin.   jj137 (talk) 02:27, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
42. Support. bibliomaniac15 03:05, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
43. Absolutely - He's already a huge help; I can't wait to see what he does with the extra buttons. --jonny-mt 03:46, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
44. Support It's about time! Very helpful user who would do great with the tools. Icestorm815 • Talk 06:12, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
45. Support Excellent user. --Oxymoron 10:27, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
46. Support Active, improved over time and has clearly taken points on board - I would have been reluctant to support a few months ago, but am happier now. Tiptoey's adminship will be a net benefit to the project. Bencherlite 11:19, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
47. Support I trust this user. Sting au Buzz Me... 13:13, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
48. Support Always willing to help fellow Wikipedians with questions as well as a vigilant vandal fighter. Will make a great admin. ponyo (talk) 13:56, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
49. Support. Having reviewed Tiptoety's contributions, I see no concerning flaws in the candidate's nomination. I get the feeling that he may not be the "perfect candidate" at the present moment, but I am confident that, if he is not, he will eventually develop into an administrator and an asset to the project. On the basis of a reasonable nomination at present, and an assumed future improvement, I am happy to support. AGK (contact) 17:20, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
50. Support Would make a good admin NimiTize 17:31, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
51. Support Will be great Admin. SexySeaShark 17:50, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
52. Support A good user. —αἰτίας •discussion• 18:46, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
53. Support: Again. I see no red flags. - Rjd0060 (talk) 19:14, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
54. Support No problems here. Maximillion Pegasus (talk) 19:53, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
55. Support: No problems here! --The Helpful One 20:33, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
56. Support as before. Meets my standards, has been very useful with criminology topics, and is known around. No concerns about abusing the mop. Excellent answers to questions. Bearian (talk) 22:07, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

Oppose

1. Oppose for now, with regret. I have enjoyed working with Tiptoety, and hope to continue to do so. However, I believe that more quality writing, demonstrating a firm grasp of what Misplaced Pages is here for, are necessary. I would have held off on my assessment, except that I noticed that the one article I'm most familiar with has been held up as an example of Tiptoety's best work. This article, Multnomah County Sheriff's Office Search and Rescue, to me represents an editor still getting a feel for how to contribute to Misplaced Pages. It is assessed as "Start" class. It has {{expand}}, {{wikify}}, and {{Refimprove}} templates on it. Again, I have enjoyed working with Tiptoety, and have no concerns regarding civility, abuse of power, or anything like that; but a strong foundation in the writing of an encyclopedia is a very important factor to me. -Pete (talk) 06:01, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

   Further concern: On looking into this nomination further, I find a more significant concern: Tiptoety has done almost no work whatsoever on Categories, Images, Templates, or Portals. See here: These are major areas of Misplaced Pages, and admin tools affect them as much as anything else. I don't believe work in article space, user space, and Misplaced Pages space alone provides sufficient familiarity with the project for admin tools. I hope to see Tiptoety become an admin someday, but I feel that day is very far in the future. -Pete (talk) 19:14, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

2. Oppose. Quality of writing. -- Iterator12n 06:16, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

   If I may point out that being an administrator does not have to do with how well one writes; I'm not contesting this oppose, that's just my opinion. Master of Puppets _{Call me MoP!☺} 06:30, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

   We communicate in writing, mostly. It’s difficult to get respect for our (administrative) opinions if they are written in a clumsy way. At all levels, Misplaced Pages must strive for the very best. -- Iterator12n 14:21, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

   I do hope this doesn't come across rudely, but could I ask you change it to "Quality of communication" - otherwise it could be intrepreted in various ways (i.e. article skills etc.) Thank you. Rudget. 16:33, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

   No problem re. rudely, it's not. On writing, I'm not hung up on the word and I would gladly change it, were it not that Quality of communication sounds much broader and really ominous. I didn't intend to be that suggestive. -- Iterator12n 19:12, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

   Thanks for replying anyway. I appreciate that. Rudget. 18:54, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

3. Oppose Reluctantly. The misrepresentation of your off-Wiki position bothered me slightly (because of the recent EssJay issue), but I've discounted that, since anyone can say/do something foolish and should be able to outlive such things. While I echo others' concerns about quality editing, this, again, isn't a defining issue for an administrator. My major issue comes out of the candidate's comments in this RfA, to wit: "un-constructive users who make it their goal to attack me and disrupt me in any way shape or form they can find." I've had dealings with a number of administrators whose comments I've found to be undiplomatic bordering on incivil. I can't see where we need another, or even the potential for another. That, coupled with the lack of a clear openness to recall, means I must oppose. --SSBohio, 00:48, 26 February 2008

   That comment was not meant to be un-diplomatic, but instead state that I have run into users who's only edits are un-constructive ones. But like I said in other answers as well as that one I do not treat them any differently then any other user, I also remain civil, and try my hardest to direct their un-constructive energy into constructive energy that will ultimately benefit the project. I hope that I am not coming across as badgering you, just trying to clarify :p Tiptoety 05:07, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

   I should have been more clear in my concern. I agree that there are unconstructive editors here. What concerns me is your statement that they "attack me and disrupt me." I worry that if you feel (in my own words) persecuted now, that you'll feel even more villified once you start doing admin work. There are admins with the patience of Job and admins with hardly any patience at all. We need, IMO, more of the former and fewer of the latter. --SSBohio 18:44, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

4. Oppose per the quote in the previous oppose. While I appreciate (personally!) the sentiments behind it, it seems un-necessarily vicious and "just another jab" at this prime oppurtunity. No problems except that; try again soon.--Porcupine (prickle me! · contribs · status) 18:59, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

Neutral

1. Weak Neutral Sorry Tiptoety, but I have to go with my gut here. I know I supported last time, but it bothered me a fair bit afterwards. The thing about misrepresenting yourself as a police officer really rubbed me the wrong way. I also think that your articulation and spelling leave a lot to be desired, even here at your RfA. GlassCobra 02:03, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

   Oh, dear. You are right, I guess I forgot to run my answers through spell check :p. I have done so now. As for the police incident, I can completely understand why it bothers you. It was stupid, and not very thought out. I have sense tried to fix the mistakes I made in the past, and never bring up my relations with any form of Law Enforcement. Tiptoety 02:08, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

   Thanks for your response, Tiptoety, I'm sure your RfA will pass. Good luck to you. :) GlassCobra 07:55, 26 February 2008 (UTC)