Misplaced Pages

Revision as of 20:04, 27 February 2008

Archives

2006 January 2007 February 2007 March 2007 April 2007 May - Aug 2007 Sept - Oct 2007 Oct - Dec 2007 Dec 2007 Jan 2008 Feb 2008 Mar 2008 Mar 2008 Apr - July 2008 Aug 2008 Sep 2008 - Feb 2009 Feb 2009 - Mar 2010 April 2010 - Current

This page has archives. Sections older than 15 days may be automatically archived by Lowercase sigmabot III.

Random personal notes

• Spencer Carlin
• Jerry Morton

List of LGBT people pages: (on 2008-01-21)

Re: Review Bot's work

Response posted on my talk page.↔NMajdan•talk 14:13, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

Responded on my page.↔NMajdan•talk 03:28, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the run. It assessed over 4,000 articles for us. A tremendous help. Will these be a permanent feature of this bot? Also, could use the bot WP services in the future.↔NMajdan•talk 14:00, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

Temporary userpage?

Just curious about the use of the {{temporary userpage}} template when applying spam notices? As in: .

Is that template transcluded in the tag you're using? Should it be there? Thanks for clarifying

No, it's not. It's something I throw in for accounts which will never (because they're blocked) or are extremely unlikely to (because of their contribution histories) actually edit, especially for usernames with are spammy in themselves (like User:Carboncopypro) -- and no-follow tags or not, non-blank pages get picked up by Google. The latter of the two types is, admittedly, a judgment call, but if they're really going to contribute, they can, like the tag text says, simply remove it: I add them immediately because otherwise I'd have to come back months later and check.

As for the tags themselves, I simply use a text file with the tag text: I copy the text, paste it in, and fill in the blanks as appropriate:

{{subst:spam-warn-userpage|User:XXX|header=1}} ~~~~ <--- Warning message, with "XXX" replaced by username

{{spam-warn-userpage}} - ] <--Edit summary text, with "XXX" replaced by username, cut and pasted into edit summary field

{{temporary userpage}} <--Temporary userpage tag itsownself

I tend to focus on this particular task because, frankly, I've semi-automated it this way and therefore is easy to do and doesn't take a whole lot of time. Hope that helps. --Calton | Talk 14:19, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

Ah hah - gotcha. Thanks for clarifying! The spam tag I understood, but the temporary thew me :) Thanks !! -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 14:56, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

Lonnie Frisbee

You may want to have a look at the recent history and the latest on the talk page. I can already see where this is going and think it should be headed off now. - ✰ALLSTAR✰ 16:42, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

my 1st lolcatz

A lolcat I came up with, in case anyone's interested... at icanhascheezburger.com -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 20:21, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

Hello

Just thought you might be interested in this: Portal:Feminism/Feminism_Task_Force --Grrrlriot (talk) 00:02, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

Bot ideas

You might also want to advertise Satyrbot's services on some of the big Country projects like France and *Spain - they could use all the help you can give them, and with their strong relationship with foreign wikis they tend to have translation problems in particular. Also, anything you can do to help with the assessment of Unassessed articles in Country Projects such as those would be appreciated, even if it was just a one-off run assessing all the Category:Italy_stubs (etc) as class=stub. Actually, it would be good if you could do the Italy stubs first, as I've got some plans for the rest.;-/
Just as a general comment, IME the Companies Project has perhaps the most articles not tagged with the project, if you're looking for a job there's lots of work to be done there. I've been talking a bit with User:Reedy_Boy about this kind of thing, he might be able to help out.FlagSteward (talk) 14:02, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

Hi, FlagSteward - sorry to see your previewing skills are at zero today - I've had similar days and they're quite frustrating! LOL :)

In any case - can we be a bit more specific here? "The country projects" includes a whole 1.73 tons of articles, so trying to attack them all would probably be too much :) Are there one or two WikiProjects that specifically want help? I don't like to go in and just do a task without the WP's requesting it - too many toes stepped on, in my experience. But if you've discussed this with a particular project, I'll be glad to help!

And I just ran WP:CFB with a very similar project - reviewing all unassessed articles and tagging them when appropriate, including "averaging" ratings if different projects have rated differently.

Also, your suggestion at the BotRFA page is ultimately easy. I can run a report like that for any WikiProject you choose - and may even be able to set it up so any user can run it whenever they want on whatever project they want. Let me think about that and see what I can come up with. -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 15:23, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

Well, I was coming at it from the POV of the Italy Project, where I've been trying to stir up some activity by doing 1000-odd assessments (and getting the completely Unassesseds is a reasonable goal). But via the Wine Project which is my 'home' project I get to see quite a lot of some of the country Projects, particularly France and Spain - and unlike your run-in with WP:CFB they're at a much earlier stage, where they've still got 1000's of articles still to asssess and won't notice more coming in. ;-/ Mebbe the way to do it is to start with the {{stub}}-to-class=Stub thing, and then expand into the adding new articles thing that some people find more controversial. I must admit that personally I think it's much more important to get articles within Projects for further handling by specialists than worrying about the downside, particularly the Projects that are relatively undeveloped - again the Companies Project is a good example. I was thinking it might be better if you go and advertise your services as you know exactly what you can and can't do, but I'm happy to mention it on the Spain and France projects.

But in general, there's tons of work for you to do on all the Country Projects, even if it is just the stub assessment thing, it's more a question of your time and resources for doing it than a lack of demand. Just doing one-off runs would be very, very useful I feel.

And perhaps the best way to convince people of the "new article" feature would be to do a dummy run that just produces a list of articles that could be tagged? If you're doing it off the database dump (are you - or live?) then it's a relatively "cheap" (in resource terms) way of doing things that would allow Project members to see whether the bot is appropriate for their Project.

As for my bot - yes I know it's easy, it's within my PHP skills ;-/ so it can't be that complicated. I just thought it might be a good bot to cut my teeth on, easy but hopefully fulfilling a real need. Cheers FlagSteward (talk) 17:48, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

Please do mention it. I've been reluctant to "advertise" because I've only just completed a major rewrite of the bot that fits it into the api.php system rather than the query.php system. See . As I get some more experience and iron out a few little bugs, I'm going to publish the code OpenSource (so you're welcome to play around with it) and see if I can get some of these functions placed on the ToolServer, available for any WikiProject.

Thanks again for your info - and let me know if you want WPWine in on any of the "services" - for my projects, I find the "To-do list" function to be extremely valuable. And I just set up WPBiography to use it, so I'm pretty happy about that :) -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 17:58, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

Cool - sounds like I'll hold off on the France and Spain requests until you're a bit more ready. Wine is ready to go, would probably make quite a nice test Project as it's not that big but a reasonable size, and quite active, so someone will probably notice any screwups. Sorry, I mean compile beta-testing reports. ;-/ Both a todo list and new articles by report would be nice for the Wine Project, but only when you're ready - probably just as a one-off for the moment, and then we'll see what the opinion of it is. Then you might want to go on to our parent project, Food and drink - far less active, quite a bit bigger and in worse shape. I've requested Wine and Italy over on the bot's request page BTW.

From my own POV, it would be great if you could assess any Italy stubs ASAP, as I've set myself a little task of trying to clear the Italy Unassesseds - if you run WPBot1.0 after your run, we hopefully won't trip over each other.

Brave man releasing your bot into the wild - I guess one major issue will be ensuring that ordinary Joes use full cats, otherwise if you think you've been copping some flak from Projects so far.... Cheers. FlagSteward (talk) 19:01, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

please help keep hacksaw page online - it's public domain http://en.wikipedia.org/Hacksaw_characterCoffeegirl3000 (talk) 02:20, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

La pensée straight

I've added a reference for the LGBT category. Also, don't you think the title should appear in English as that was the original title apparently? (This is referenced as well). The reference section looks doesn't look very pretty but I thought it was good to have the page numbers...Zigzig20s (talk) 11:42, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

Request for Immediate Help

Someone keeps trying to censure information about the condemnation of a gay rights organization, and the loss of one of their chapters, Kentucky Fairness Alliance. Actually, Kentucky Equality Federation, Bluegrass Fairness of Central Kentucky, and Kentucky Fairness Alliance articles in Misplaced Pages are being censured (no doubt by management at Kentucky Fairness Alliance since everything being deleted are criticisms of their organization). Can you help me with this? I'm getting tired of restoring the articles.--Kentucky1333 (talk) 16:52, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

Speedy deletion of Template:Years in gay rights nav

A tag has been placed on Template:Years in gay rights nav requesting that it be speedily deleted from Misplaced Pages. This has been done under section T3 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because it is a deprecated or orphaned template. After seven days, if it is still unused and the speedy deletion tag has not been removed, the template will be deleted.

If the template is intended to be substituted, please feel free to remove the speedy deletion tag and please consider putting a note on the template's page indicating that it is substituted so as to avoid any future mistakes (<noinclude>{{transclusionless}}</noinclude>).

Thanks. --MZMcBride (talk) 20:58, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

Mediation / Russian

You're welcome to join the conversation, but I'm not sure about the tip -- I looked at a few userpages and couldn't find any links to English wiki useraccounts. Could you clarify what you think I should look for? Thanks! Aelfthrytha (talk) 22:31, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

Gay Affirmative Psychotherapy (de:Gay Affirmative Psychotherapy)

Hy SatyrTN, i saw that in the english wikipeda is missing a very important article over Gay Affirmative Psychotherapy. On german wikipedia we have a good article and here is the literature. So i can try to translate that article, but you have to look for that article because my english translation isn' t so perfect for correct psycholocial specific terms. In only found in english wikipedia an article over the wrong and old Reparative therapy, where the Gay Affirmative Psychotherapy is only a part of the article. GLGermann (talk) 01:36, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

Literature

• Journal of Gay & Lesbian Psychotherapy, Schwerpunkt: Homosexuality and Psychoanalysis revisited, 2002, 6. Jhrg., Nummer 1
• Isay, Richard A. (1993). Schwul sein. Die psychologische Entwicklung des Homosexuellen. München: Piper. ISBN 3492116833 (Original 1989: Being homosexual. Gay men and their development. New York: Farrar, Straus, and Giroux.)
• Rauchfleisch, Udo u.a. (2002). Gleich und doch anders: Psychotherapie und Beratung von Lesben, Schwulen, Bisexuellen und ihren Angehörigen. Stuttgart: Klett-Cotta. ISBN 360894236X
• Ritter, Kathleen Y. & Terndrup, Anthony I. (2002). Handbook of Affirmative Psychotherapy with Lesbians and Gay Men. New York: Guilford. ISBN 1572307145

RPI Players

Another editor has added the {{prod}} template to the article RPI Players, suggesting that it be deleted according to the proposed deletion process. All contributions are appreciated, but the editor doesn't believe it satisfies Misplaced Pages's criteria for inclusion, and has explained why in the article (see also Misplaced Pages:What Misplaced Pages is not and Misplaced Pages:Notability). Please either work to improve the article if the topic is worthy of inclusion in Misplaced Pages or discuss the relevant issues at its talk page. If you remove the {{prod}} template, the article will not be deleted, but note that it may still be sent to Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion, where it may be deleted if consensus to delete is reached. BJBot (talk) 06:01, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

Video policy

Satyr, can you point me in the right direction? I've followed every "video" link I can find on WP and can't find any discussion of when video is appropriate. Someone deleted a lot of video links from Automated Guided Vehicle and a couple of us are discussing on the talk page what to do about it. I'm inclined to let the deletion stand, and delete the rest besides, on the grounds that they are clearly produced as promotional videos, and because images could tell exactly the same story, with less bandwidth, and in an easier-to-patrol-for-spam fashion. Surely these issues have been discussed before, I'm surprised I can't find it. - Dan Dank55 (talk) 21:47, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

Hi, Dan! Do you mean as a reference? Or just an "external link"? -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 01:16, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

I mean as an external link. That page has about a dozen links that were produced for promotional purposes that show automated vehicles doing very mundane things...I'm wondering where to read up on which kinds of video external links are "encyclopedic" and which aren't. I wrote in the talk page that I'm inclined to replace them all with one link to the search results for Automated Guided Vehicle on YouTube, since that's where all the videos come from...does that sound good? - Dan Dank55 (talk) 01:51, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

To be honest, I'm not thrilled with any of the links or references on that page except the two university links. Let me recommend WP:PSTS for a discussion of primary, secondary, and tertiary sources. The links to agvsystems.com and the other companies are all primary - they are written by the people making the AGVs. If at all possible, find links in books, newspapers and magazines that talk about the AGVs, comparing and contrasting, and explaining the systems to outsiders. Those would at least be secondary sources.

And as far as your original question goes, I can understand why a video would be instructional and helpful to the article - seeing one of these bots in action would be great! Is it possible to find a video in the public domain? Perhaps find a gear-head that's caught some of them on cam at a show or convention? That way you can get them at least PD and not advertise for the specific company. Knowing the audience, I bet you can find dozens without even looking far :) -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 02:08, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

Re: Zoe Gustaves article deletion

Dear SatyrTN,

You deleted the Zoe Gustaves article because of apparent copyright infringement. Permission had been obtained although no notice of that fact was included with the article. My fault. A permission notice has since been added to the website source (please see ), and I did attempt to add this notice to the article, but it had already been deleted before I could do so.

I appreciate the standard set for Misplaced Pages and have tried, and will always try, to comply with that standard. In light of permission having been granted for the Misplaced Pages article and notice of this fact published by the source, I hope you will consider returning the Zoe Gustaves article to Misplaced Pages.

Antares12 (talk) 00:26, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

You can't be serious all the time

Did you see my !vote comment here: Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Ashton Ryan (2nd nomination). —Preceding unsigned comment added by Becksguy (talk • contribs) 03:10, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

Thanks - that actually made me snort out loud :) -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 07:21, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

Dawson (porn star)

I screwed up the article when I removed the image. Some of the other information is now missing and when I tried to re-add it, the layout is wrong. Help? :-) AgnosticPreachersKid (talk) 22:44, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

Already fixed, dear :) -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 22:46, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

My friend didn't like your edit. User talk:97.88.222.103 Oh well, he/she will be back in 2 days and the whole process will start over again. AgnosticPreachersKid (talk) 23:06, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

Maybe this time I'll get to do the block before anyone else :) -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 00:05, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

Now I've made a friend of the same jerk. Aleta (Sing) 03:00, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

Now we'll all be dancing together in that place I don't believe .. in .. <stupid prepositions ending sentences>

I'm tempted to indef block - or at least extend it, but I feel like that could be seen as punishment. Guess I'll just watch the userpage and wait until day after tomorrow. -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 03:06, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

Dangit! I thought wiki wasn't his life? Obviously it is or he wouldn't keep WP:ATTACKing! Guess I'll try the ignore route. -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 03:27, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

Bot edit. . .

I don't understand why, but for some reason this edit resulted, as you can see, in an {{oldafdfull}} template getting doubled. You might want to check this out. Chick Bowen 07:13, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

Hi, Chick! Thanks for pointing that out. When someone incorrectly subst's the afd template, it leaves behind things like {{#if:19 January 2007|on 19 January 2007|recently}} in the page. The bot tries to interpret that as a template, which causes problems. I'm working on a solution, but haven't got it licked yet. Since the afd template got cleaned up long ago, it's a pretty rare occurrence, but I'm working on fixing it. Thanks! -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 15:51, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

Dharma Talk

If you were a practicioner of Buddhism then you will understand the term "Dharma Talk" it is not blatant advertising. I put in a quote from Thich Nhat Hahn to bolster the idea of a Dharma Talk. I was not aware that Misplaced Pages was such a place of religious procecution. I mentioned where to find them the same way anyone else links to an external source for anything. By deleting the article you only show religious intolerance.

I apologize for the apparent rudeness. The term "blatant advertising" was the cause. All apologies.Golgofrinchian (talk) 17:32, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

Fugly

Feel free to contribute to WP:FUGLY, a new complement to WP:HOTTIE. - ✰ALLSTAR✰ 05:53, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

Que?

Umm, User:AgnosticPreachersKid retired? - ✰ALLSTAR✰ 17:57, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

:-( Aleta (Sing) 20:39, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

I don't suppose anyone's heard from him? Aleta (Sing) 03:39, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

Society for Industrial & Organizational Psychology

Hi: I began an article on the Society for Industrial & Organizational Psychology (SIOP) hoping that a colleague at the organization could elaborate on the significance of it. However, it was speedily deleted before anyone had a chance to justify its existence. Would it be possible to provide the source code for the page to me so I can work on it in a sandbox environment? I feel the organization is worth mentioning in Misplaced Pages, and I just need some time to lay it all out. Thanks!

Itsnorm (talk) 02:51, 20 February 2008 (UTC)"itsnorm"

Matt Sanchez

Obviously I'm not going to touch the article but I'd suggest having a look at today's changes. All of them seem fine except 1: the edit to the content about the Jeanne Kirkpatrick Academic Freedom Award. I mean, that's a lot of the "hub bub" about him.. got the award then outed. - ✰ALLSTAR✰ 03:00, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

matt sanchez

any particular edit come to mind?Boomgaylove (talk) 03:15, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

why would it raise an eyebrow, it was completely lacking any context or continuity with the surrounding text. move to wikiquote? it's just an anecdote, although some may find it funny (including myself), random quotes are not encyclopedic. and when they are used they should be included in an appropriate manner. as for the gay porn actor mention. He rose to fame largely because of his "porn-outing", the list includes his education and pursuits, the individual might not like it there, but thats reason for removing it from his own website or blog not from wikipedia.Boomgaylove (talk) 03:37, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

p.s. thanks for the warning about WP:BITE, i'm sure i'll be fine. i'll make sure to diffuse any tensions that i can.Boomgaylove (talk) 03:39, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

AfD nomination of Recompression

I have nominated Recompression, an article you created, for deletion. I do not feel that this article satisfies Misplaced Pages's criteria for inclusion, and have explained why at Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Recompression. Your opinions on the matter are welcome at that same discussion page; also, you are welcome to edit the article to address these concerns. Thank you for your time. - Realkyhick (Talk to me) 06:19, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

AfD nomination of NüTopia

I have nominated NüTopia, an article you created, for deletion. I do not feel that this article satisfies Misplaced Pages's criteria for inclusion, and have explained why at Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/NüTopia. Your opinions on the matter are welcome at that same discussion page; also, you are welcome to edit the article to address these concerns. Thank you for your time. - Realkyhick (Talk to me) 06:22, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

AfD nomination of Ignition (event)

I have nominated Ignition (event), an article you created, for deletion. I do not feel that this article satisfies Misplaced Pages's criteria for inclusion, and have explained why at Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Ignition (event). Your opinions on the matter are welcome at that same discussion page; also, you are welcome to edit the article to address these concerns. Thank you for your time. - Realkyhick (Talk to me) 06:24, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

List of gay, lesbian or bisexual people: K-L‎

Hi, Angela from the Blue!

I'm curious about your adding Lord Donia to the List of gay, lesbian or bisexual people: K-L‎. First, you've managed to put him in the wrong place if he were supposed to go in the "L"s. Second, if "Lord" is a title (and the word isn't even in his article), then the article should go in the "D"s. Third, the claim of homosexuality needs to be backed up by a solid reference, both in his article *and* on the list.

I'm going to take him off the list for now. If you find the source you were looking for, please feel free to add it back in. Thanks! -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 07:11, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

Okay, maybe he should be on the list under his full name: Pier Gerlofs Donia. Thus putting the confusion to an end. He should be in the D or P category, and not L because he might have been no lord at all. But he was a noted queer, as can be seen in the article. He deserves to be listed as such. But then under the right letter. Thanks in advanche, Angela from the Blue (talk) 07:22, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

D then would be fine. But only if you have it properly referenced. I see you've added back the "sexuality" section, but don't have a reference on it. When it does, then we can add him to the list. Thanks! -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 07:25, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

I referenced the section "sexuality" on the articles main space of Pier Gerlofs Donia. The reference is to a book, which I read myself. You can add him to the list now - it has been sort out. Is this okay to you, for now? Angela from the Blue (talk) 07:32, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

K-L list of gay/lesbian people

please discuss on the article talk page the rationale for reverting the image. back and forth revert/add/revert with another editor, without edit summaries, isn't constructive. i've started a topic on the article talk page. thank you. Anastrophe (talk) 08:32, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

true re the discussion here - it's just that it sure looked like the add/revert cycle continued after the discussions here had ended - but admittedly i wasn't paying close attention. anyway, glad it's resolved. Anastrophe (talk) 17:54, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

Thank you !

Thank you for the welcome... and for the cookies ! --Surréalatino (talk) 02:21, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

Opera Project "To Do List" function

Thanks for your reply. Once a week would be fine. Best. -- Kleinzach (talk) 03:03, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

Peru

You might want to check out the discussion at Misplaced Pages talk:WikiProject Peru#Clarification --Descendall (talk) 04:02, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

Paul Goodman

Hi Satyr,

This is the disambiguation guideline I was following in removing the disambiguation links:

While there is no specific prohibition against it, adding disambiguation links to a page with a name that clearly distinguishes itself from the generic term is discouraged. For example, Solaris (1972 film) is clearly about one specific movie and not about any of the many other meanings of "Solaris". It is very unlikely that someone arriving there would have been looking for any other "Solaris", so it is unnecessary to add a link pointing to the Solaris disambiguation page. However, it would be perfectly appropriate to add a link to Solaris (novel) (but not, say, Solaris (operating system)) to its "See also" section.

Please let me know if you have any further concerns.

Neelix (talk) 22:32, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the clarification! IMO, people should have links back to disambig pages, since "writer" (as relates to a person) isn't nearly as specific as the "1972 film" in the example. Just my opinion :) -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 22:35, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

are you an admin?

curious —Preceding unsigned comment added by Boomgaylove (talk • contribs) 22:54, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

Yes. -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 22:57, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

the discussion obviously favors inclusion. as does logic. do you oppose its inclusion? If its due to redundancy perhaps we get rid of the 2nd mention? Its just prejudicial to leave out one of his major and most notable pursuits while including others.Boomgaylove (talk) 00:16, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

Re: LGBT Categories

I guess. But that is certainly no reason to revert the edits. --Shamir1 (talk) 01:00, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

edit summaries

Thanks. I know; I was using AWB to make some changes, but some articles did not have the text I wanted to change. The articles nevertheless had 'general fixes' changes made to them which I saved as I did not disagree with them. I did not change the edit summary I was was using. I suppose I could have said "already indirectly in category and/or AWB general fixes". Not sure if this would help. I have not seen this done by other editors. Hmains (talk) 06:13, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

Ok. Thanks Hmains (talk) 17:04, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

Python on a Mac

Thank you for unblocking User:BoxCrawler. As for your other comments:

Python is standard on the Mac AFAIK, the only real customizations it needed were a few minor edits to the pyWikipediaBot framework because I didn't like a few things it did. I'd be happy to send you all my source if you were interested. Adam McCormick (talk) 23:45, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

Question

Shouldn't Rachel Carson be added to this list?...or should the list only name articles that deal more strongly with LGBT issues? AgnosticPreachersKid (talk) 02:41, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

It's so nice seeing your posts on my page! I just wish I could see *** in my ***!

I know what you've been dreaming about. ;-) AgnosticPreachersKid (talk) 02:50, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

As to your question - go for it! I wish I could think of an LGBT cat to put on the article, though. Do we have a Category:Boston marriages? Sigh. -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 02:46, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

Added it. AgnosticPreachersKid (talk) 02:50, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

Gene Robinson / Anglicanism

There are indeed quite a few notable individuals in the Anglicanism category. Given that there is rather a major controversy centering in part around Robinson's ordination, it's hard to argue that he isn't notable. I think you should restore the category label. Tb (talk) 16:17, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

I really feel the controversy surrounds issues, not this particular person. I'm not an expert in Anglicanism at all, but there are 300 articles in the can, only 31 of them are people, and probably half or more of those don't belong. My opinion is that Robinson belongs in Category:Anglican realignment, but not the super cat. -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 16:32, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

I can't say I disagree with the goal of straightening up the categorization under Anglicanism. And I freely confess I haven't got the energy to work on that rather gargantuan task! I just spent today's wikipedia time tracing through a maze of undocumented/uncommented significant categorization changes by ZZcon, so I'm spent for now. :) Tb (talk) 21:54, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

gay

So ur gay? How cute! Do you have a boyfriend, then? Angela from the Blue (talk) 18:39, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

If User:AgnosticPreachersKid doesn't want to be my boyfriend, I guess I'm stuck with the SOs I already have =D -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 21:23, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

I sent in the application for the position 2 weeks ago. Did the damn U.S. Postal Service lose my mail again!?! You mentioned SO's...as in plural...you have more than one? You kinky bastard. AgnosticPreachersKid (talk) 21:36, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

I'm not sayin'... But if kinky is using a feather, what's it called when you use the whole bird? =D

(/me goes to flay the postman for losing APK's application - which, I hope, includes 8x10 color glossies)

-- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 21:40, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

Even better. AgnosticPreachersKid (talk) 21:43, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

Screw donation drives--I envision a Gay Studs Of Misplaced Pages Calendar! Rachel Summers (talk) 22:32, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

Poster!?!? That big!?!? Mmmm.... =D -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 22:36, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

Or this? (FYI, if APK was to show STN his XXX pix, STN might have to visit the ICU because they're diRRRty. AgnosticPreachersKid (talk) 22:45, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

Scatmaster? lol - ✰ALLSTAR✰ 22:46, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

WHO TOLD YOU!?!?! I knew I should have kept that to myself. :P To change the subject, quickly, it's nice to see WP is a big hit in the Middle East. AgnosticPreachersKid (talk) 22:49, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

Same-sex marriage and procreation

SatyrTN - you proposed that the entry Same-sex marriage and procreation be merged with Same-sex marriage. A few other people suggested as well. My response was that the current length of Same-sex marriage and procreation is quite long, and in time will be even longer as more quotes from court decisions and law review articles are added. Such length will be as long as that of Same-sex marriage itself, at the cost of overwhelmingly the aesthetics of the current page. Thus, like a few other Wikipages dealing with Same-sex marriage that have a separate existence, I would like to keep the procreation page separate as well (I have written most of the page over the past few weeks). At some point, I plan to add a few links on the Same-sex marriage entry to the Same-sex marriage and procreation entry (and I would be glad if you want to do so). So unless you object, I would like to edit out your suggestion to merge the two pages. Thanks. --Greg Aharonian (talk) 21:27, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

Has there been discussion about the merger? I haven't seen anything about it - could you point it out to me? -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 21:30, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

Shortly after I created the page, a few people put the page up for Deletion. While the critics eventually were satisfied (they wanted more factual material, which I added), an admin still deleted it, without explanation. After a discussion with the admin, the page was restored to version you see now. One person in the deletion discussion suggested the page be merged with Same-sex marriage, but seem to agree that the length was getting long enough to overwhelm if merged. So the issue of merger faded away. I am not sure where the keep past deletion dicussions, where you could see this. The original merger suggestion was made when the page was shorter, and as it grew in length, the issue was dropped. --Greg Aharonian (talk) 22:28, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

Do as thou wilt. -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 22:40, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

The faeries do know

This was specifically a call for a Misplaced Pages photo. It was announced that way and the others, who did not want to be in it, were told to get off the stage. 70.90.129.90 (talk) 21:38, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

You know, I actually assumed that's what happened =D -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 21:41, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

Ludwig II

Perhaps you might like to give a person time to verify the information rather than send messages. I am actually sitting with the references right next to me. Thanks for your care and understanding. Finneganw 06:45, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

Jerry Morton

Hi Satyr, I realise this Coronation Street character page was nominated for deletion along with many others, and the result was to merge to a list. However, the page keeps getting created, removed from the list, moved back to the list, redirected and so on. Currently, it redirects to the list, however the character is not actually on the list, and his image keeps getting tagged for deletion as it's orphaned etc. It's been tagged for deletion three times now due to all this changing around, and my page keeps getting spammed with image warnings, so I brought the issue up here Talk:List of recurring and minor Coronation Street characters#Jerry Morton. We would like to give this one character his own page, but keep it tagged as in-univers etc, while we look for sources. Would you object to this? 21:50, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

I'll let it go for two weeks, but I did a fairly good search for references to Jerry Morton and found almost none. You can see that every time it gets "recreated", the result falls far short of an acceptable article. -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 21:57, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

I havent searched for any yet, but i'll see what I can come up with. Maybe you could contribute to the discussion on the list page, and voice your opinion there too? I'd like to get discussion going for these articles, so hopefully they can be improved.Gungadin 22:01, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

Jerry Morton. I made a start, found some sources and began to include some real world stuff. Is it ok to keep as a separate article now? I realise it needs improving/extending... Gungadin 23:25, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

I kinda feel like all those sources are a) not "significant" and b) not about Jerry Morton but more about Starke. But that's just my opinion - let's see what happens in two weeks. -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 23:43, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

Replied on Commons:COM:AN

Heyo. I replied to your message on Commons:COM:AN. Cheers, ➪HiDrNick! 21:54, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

And just for the record Satyr, as I said "over there", I'm not even going to engage in that fiasco. I know what's mine and what isn't and after seeing my Fitch pics all over Flickr and going and searching for more pics, have found that even more of my photography is spread all over the internet. It's impossible to defend. Pictures I have posted at various forums over the years, pictures I have emailed people, pictures I have used on various web sites that I once owned.. things like these eventually end up somewhere else when you've been on the "net" since the "net" became the "net". I am one of the few that remember $500 AOL bills and 1200 baud modems! So, to wrap this up, they can do whatever they want over there. I've given my one and only statement over there on the matter and that's all I will say about it. Don't worry yourself over it either. - ✰ALLSTAR✰ 22:55, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

I ain't worried about it. Though I don't like the lack of AGF. And Fitch is gorgeous, so I'm just a tiny bit jealous =D

Wait - did you say 1200 baud? Young'un - I remember 600 baud! With those kewl modems you had to shunk the phone down into - remember those? And we had to walk to the internet! Uphill!! BOTH WAYS!!! =) -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 23:46, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

• Image:Pic20071127 1.jpg copyvio source (tmz.com video)
• Image:Ole Miss Rebels celebrate.png copyvio source (JasonBaker.net)
• Image:Ole Miss BBQ Sauce.jpg copyvio source (some catalouge)

Cheers, ➪HiDrNick! 17:41, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

Your bot

Is it possible for your bot to run through all the articles at List of people from Mississippi and if they aren't tagged with Template:WPMiss, have it do so as {{WPMiss|class=start|importance=low}} ? - ✰ALLSTAR✰ 22:35, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

Possibly? Let me pull together a quick list and get back to you. See, the way I would have to do it is get all the wikilinks on that page. To give you an example, that would mean getting:

Jim Henson creator of The Muppets, (Leland, Mississippi)

The bot doesn't have any way of knowing that "The Muppets" shouldn't be tagged. So I can pull together a list, have you do a quick review to remove the ones that don't belong, and then tag all those. Will that work? -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 22:42, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

OK, so a list of just the names links and not any of the additional details that may have other links in them. Gotcha. Yesh, I imagine that would work. Thanks! - ✰ALLSTAR✰ 22:49, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

Review User:SatyrBot/Miss, take out any that don't need a tag, and I'll sic the bot on the rest. -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 23:55, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

OK, I've taken out the obvious entries and will do the more thorough run-through in a bit. What about redirects? Will the bot follow or will it tag the redirect page and then the page it got redirected to as well? - ✰ALLSTAR✰ 02:38, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

Hm. I think it will follow redirects, but not tag them. -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 05:23, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

Question

Does my talk page need to be archived...or should I wait a while? AgnosticPreachersKid (talk) 22:48, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

I wouldn't worry about it. You could set it up with MiszaBot if you wanted to, with a 30 day timeframe. But you could also just delete everything - it's all in the history of the page anyway :) -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 23:57, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

WP:VIET

Hi there SatyrTN. Could be have another run on the list of cats of Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Vietnam/Categories for tagging {{WPVN}}. It's about a month since the last run, so an update would be good. It would also indicate how frequently new articles are created and would tell us how frequently the bot should be used. Thanks, Blnguyen (photo straw poll) 02:25, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

Is it just me or does that girl look like she's on something? AgnosticPreachersKid (talk) 05:30, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

Show off. Couldn't you just say "Tina" like everyone else? Sheesh.

It's ecstasy, not tina...geez, get your drugs right! :P AgnosticPreachersKid (talk) 05:40, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

Really?!? Man - I'm sooo out of the loop. They're going to take my QueerCard™ away, aren't they? <sigh> -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 05:44, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

If you lose your QueerCard because you're not familiar with drugs, then maybe that's a good thing. The More You Know AgnosticPreachersKid (talk) 05:54, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

ROTFL - I just realized, due to an edit conflict, I saw the code before I saw the link - so I thought you'd used the whole name :)

Anyways, since you guys are pictorial connoiseurs, there is a photo straw poll for you. Blnguyen (vote in the photo straw poll) 23:09, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

Anyway, Blnguyen, the bot will run tonight and banner as necessary. -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 05:33, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

Thanks, I have also updated the cat list if that makes any difference. Blnguyen (photo straw poll) 05:34, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

Just a reminder in case you've forgotten to fire up the bot. Blnguyen (vote in the photo straw poll) 23:09, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

Kewl. It's pulling the info from that cat list, so if you've made changes it will go with what's there. -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 05:36, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

Great thanks. I think a weekly run would be ok since it seems to be so fast on the maintenance runs rather than the first run. However, I was wondering if I commented out the template, would the bot recognise that the template was there and not add it? The reason I ask is that there are a few cats where there are one or two false positives and I don't want to get into a weekly rv war with the bot. I wonder if a commented out template would be recognised by the bot as "already there" so that the false positive won't be activated. Thanks, Blnguyen (vote in the photo straw poll) 02:41, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

I think what you want to do is use {{nobots |deny=SatyrBot}}. I think. I don't know that I've actually tried that yet, so let me know the articles and such and I'll check it out. -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 03:51, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

Ziegfeld's

I found this article and noticed a comment by you on the talk page. Since you've obviously read it, is it actually notable or does it just need alot of work. I'm kind of undecided, especially since it might be hard to find sources. The website isn't working, but I can try to google some sources. I spent many (many) nights there and got shit-faced while weiners were flapping in my face. Good times. AgnosticPreachersKid (talk) 13:11, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

Not a clue. Wish I'd been, but I have no idea :) -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 13:58, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

Neutrois

Thank you for flagging this article for the LGBT project. I had no idea there WAS such a project on Wiki and I have been working tirelessly to try and find resources for this page. Having it linked into the project will be absolutely the best thing that could have happened to it. Someone else might have more resources. Again, thank you. Taineyah (talk) 06:36, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

She's the Man

Hi, I've noticed that you've reverted several edits of User:58.111.116.167. I also noticed that you did not warn them for any of their vandalisms, of which there were six. In the future, it would be helpful to everyone if you warned vandals every time they vandalized. If no one warns them, they never stop. Thanks, ElisaEXPLOSiONtalk. 14:21, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

I don't warn IP vandals every time. In fact, I rarely warn IPs. If it's an excessive case, I will do so, but I find (as in this case) if you revert and ignore vandals, they usually give up. -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 14:59, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

APK Talk Page Comment

Hi SatyrTN - I saw your comment at APK's talk page, and am happy for you to join in the fun. I just wasn't sure if you'd seen that I replied - and it's nice to be liked even if not known! :) Jay*Jay (talk) 15:39, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

I saw your reply - I didn't respond because typing one-handed is so difficult.... =P -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 15:42, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

You know you can go blind that way. Lemme go grab my belt. AgnosticPreachersKid (talk) 16:02, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

Blindness isn't likely unless you have very good aim. Jay*Jay (talk) 16:19, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

Grab the camera. AgnosticPreachersKid (talk) 16:35, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

Psycho

That person is a freak. I can only imagine what the picture would be and notice how they can't spell. AgnosticPreachersKid (talk) 17:36, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

When did you change your name? =D -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 20:49, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

I guess when I started warning him/her about not being a tool. AgnosticPreachersKid (talk) 20:51, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

ROTFL :) -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 20:54, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

Did you notice my comment on yt? AgnosticPreachersKid (talk) 01:12, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

Leap Day newsletter?

Well we never got one the first part of the month, and I know Miss Julie was feeling unable to continue with it past this month. Think we can throw one together for Leap Day (which I just learned is also called Bissextile day - we have to use that!)? Aleta (Sing) 21:32, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

Well, I want in on the fun or at least be able to see how the newsletter is made. I haven't received one yet and Miss Julie asked me if I wanted to help with the newsletter. I would. AgnosticPreachersKid (talk) 21:42, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

The more the merrier! Of course you can help! We usually try to do a rundown/hit some highlights on what's been happening with the project in the last month, or this time, two. Hmmm, your homophobic "friend" might be worth a mention. Aleta (Sing) 21:53, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

Bleh - no. Ignore them and they'll go away. Besides, there are too many homophobes to list in the newsletter :) -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 21:55, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

Good point. It was just a thought. Nevermind! :) Aleta (Sing) 22:19, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

Lolz at SNL :) I've jumpstarted the issue at Misplaced Pages:WikiProject LGBT studies/Newsletter. For those of you watching who haven't really done the newsletter before, I recommend taking a look at the most recent ones: here's a directory of the archives. -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 23:03, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

Satyrbot request

Well, for starters, the schools category with this: {{WikiProject Canada|education=yes|bc=yes}}. But there are other categories I've noticed where a large volume of articles is in need of templates....another is Category:Defunct British Columbia provincial electoral districts where the template would be {{WikiProject Canada|cangov=yes|riding=yes|bc=yes}}. Is it only you that can run the bot or are others permitted to take the reins? I know there's more "bulk templating" cats out there, just in the BC WikiProject alone.....23:56, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

Hi, Skookum1! The code for the bot isn't quite ready for public release yet. And since it's editing on my account, I kinda keep close tabs on what it's doing :)

What I've done for other projects is have them pull together a full list of categories. For instance, WP:VIET has the bot go through Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Vietnam/Categories every so often and tag anything that doesn't already have a tag.

It sounds like your project is a tad different, since you've got some parameters that are going to be different depending on the categories. My initial reaction is that your best bet is to pull together categories in groups related to what parameters you want. For example:

( I recommend having separate pages for each of these columns )

When the bot goes through, it will have to look at each article and examine which categories are on the article, then add parameters based on that.

That does mean, however, quite a bit of prep-work. Someone (or several people in WP:CANADA?) will have to review the categories and put them in the appropriate areas. The advantage to doing that, though, is that you're then all organized and able to work.

Sorry I don't have a quicker or easier solution to offer! If you want, check at WP:BOTREQ again and see if anyone else has something easier. Though it will be worth it, if you're willing to put in the time and effort :) -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 01:59, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

Talk:Matt Sanchez

You're right, though. Please don't give up. It's a clear BLP violation, and I'm really bothered at how much of that is going on with that particular article. At this point, I only feel comfortable fighting one battle at a time with that particular article, and I'm choosing to fight the battle of unbolding the "porn names". Perhaps I'll move on to another after that. - Philippe | Talk 03:42, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

No, Sanchez is not a writer.

If Sanchez is communicating to you that he wrote for the The New Republic, he's lying. He has never written for that publication. Scott Thomas Beauchamp did, however. I have removed the "writer" title, accordingly. Please do not restore it without a valid reason. --Eleemosynary (talk) 04:33, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

You're right - I mis-spoke in my edit summary. However, he did write for the New York Post: . I'm putting "writer" back. -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 04:35, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

And I'm removing it again. A single guest column in the Post is not a "writing" profession. I've started a section on the Talk page if you wish to comment further. --Eleemosynary (talk) 04:39, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

Sanchez as escort?

SatyrTN, I have added a comment to the discussion you were having with benjiboi at his talk page. I have quoted a statement from The Advocate in 2008 that states without qualification that Matt is a celebrity in gay circles as porn star Matt Sanchez and as an escort. I am wondering whether this can end the issue of finding a reliable third-party source for the escort claim that meets WP standards? Comments would be appreciated. Best, Jay*Jay (talk) 10:42, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

Moved HotHardware to User:MojoKid HH/HotHardware: Userspace

Hello SatyrnTN, I've gone ahead and added serveral reference links to the entry now and feel I have given enough credible references that this document can be reinstated in the general area. Can you please take a look and let me know your decision? Thank you. (talk) 9:20, 27 February 2008

The Cancer Journals

It's a lesbian-feminist book? One of the chapter focuses on her reliance on lesbian love - please read the summary or even the title of the chapter...Why do you insist on saying LGBT books are not actually so?Zigzig20s (talk) 15:15, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

Sorry - my bad. I didn't read close enough. Should the book also be in "LGBT-related literature" or "Lesbion lit" or whatever? As to "why", I don't write a lot of articles. Instead I review, categorize, cleanup, and generally be a WikiFaerie. Please don't get offended? -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 15:22, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

The trouble is it's non-fiction, so not literature per se, though maybe in the loose sense?Zigzig20s (talk) 15:42, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

Literature is fiction only? IMHO, "literature" can be either fict or nonfict. But I'm no expert! =D -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 15:45, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

Well in the loose sense any written text can be called literature, but in a more theoretical sense it's a craft, often fictional but sometimes not - e.g. some autobiographies...Actually I tend to think The Cancer Journals has some poetic prose to it - but then I found it in the medical section in my campus library...Zigzig20s (talk) 15:53, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

ROTFL! Prolly cuz, like me, the title sounds waaaay too clinical :) -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 15:54, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

Re: SatyrBot & Anime

Thanks. I already spotted several false positives, pages reporting as not having the project's template even thought they do. I wonder if this has something to do with the project template being split across multiple lines do to the amount of parameter calls as that is the one thing they have in common. --Farix (Talk) 18:52, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

No, the bot knows about that. Can you give me some examples? -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 19:53, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

your redaction of opaquely sourced material

Concerning this ...

Farnsworth: "Good news everyone! I'm sending you all on a highly controversial mission!"
Fry: Controversial?
Farnsworth: "Oh my, no."
(Cut to Prof's lab)
Farnsworth: "On this highly controversial mission..."
— Futurama

RE: your redactions - I addressed your concerns about source material for another user some time ago, @ http://pax.vox.com/library/post/in-the-beginning-was-the-word-but-it-was-wpor-wpself.html

Since it wasn't verifiably sourced elsewhere, and blogs of notable people are considered verifiable sources, I elected to self-create a verifiable source at that time for the sole purpose of resolving this issue.

It may not quite mesh with the _spirit_ of the matter, but damned if it doesn't address the question, technically.

Number 1.0: Bureaucrat Conrad, you are technically correct -- the best kind of correct. I hereby promote you to grade 37. And as for you. (shouting) Guards! (talking) Bring me the forms I need to fill out to have her taken away!
— Also Futurama

Now, since WP:AUTO is discouraged, I regret that I now have to point you to the slightly snarky WP:SOFIXIT. Seriously though, thank you for your efforts to improve Misplaced Pages, past, pending, and future.

Warm Regards,

—User:Adrian/zap2.js 2008-02-27 19:54Z

Lonnie Frisbee again

See the history. See this too. Aside from the fact that HiDrNick has taken to stalking me on WP now, could you deal with the issue at this article again? User:Barkonst keeps removing the content. You've reverted him once as has other users. - ✰ALLSTAR✰ 20:04, 27 February 2008 (UTC)