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My first article

Hello, I'm posting in regards to my first "article" about gravastars. It wasn't really a new article, but the bulk of it now is my work. First, I'd like to say thanks for adding the reference and fixing it up a bit. It makes me feel like I've really contributed something when a person of your calibur reads my article and doesn't feel the need to change the content much. Secondly, I would like to get some feedback about it, because until now I had only made semi-minor edits when I came across false information or vandalism and stuff like that. What do you like? What could be better? Did I explain the concept well?

Any and all input is appreciated, and hopefully I can contribute to more articles in the future!--MaizeAndBlue86 (talk) 00:00, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

Thanks. I think you should add more references, especially to published works. I will look at it again later. It's now on my watchlist. Jehochman 00:04, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

Thanks once again for adding more references to my page, I really appreciate it!

I do object, however, to the deletion of "new form of matter", because really BEC is a new form of matter that we don't usually encounter (you can read the article on it, they even say it's a "new form of matter") No other forms of matter exhibit this merging of wavefunctions that is characteristic of BEC.--MaizeAndBlue86 (talk) 14:49, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages is timeless. There is no "new" or "old" unless it is relative to something. A better idea would be to specify the date when the form of matter was first proposed, "BEC, first proposed by Bugs Bunny in 2003, is a form of matter..." This should have a reference. Jehochman 22:14, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

Ok that makes sense. I'll be more careful next time. --MaizeAndBlue86 (talk) 00:53, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

lol

Tosses you a spangenhelm. Durova 00:50, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

Dons the helm and rides off. Jehochman 01:29, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

You forgot your lance. Durova 02:54, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

What lance? He needs a ray gun..:) The socks are like mushrooms after the rain. Igor Berger (talk) 03:16, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

Looks at the ray gun in disgust. How uncivilized. Chooses lightsaber instead. Jehochman 14:05, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

Any comment here?

When you asked any editor seeing a problem to present 3-5 diffs of examples on Talk:Homeopathy/Article probation/Incidents, I brought up one here. I haven't heard any feedback on this though. Even if this doesn't qualify as disruption, I'd at least appreciate some statement to that effect. Even Dana's mentor has been silent when I brought this issue up with her. --Infophile 23:33, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

Question

I consider this edit disruptive and condescending. This editor has be at this over the past 24 hours. I need help, please. Anthon01 (talk) 04:33, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

I have been tryingto get outside input on NPOV on minority articles. But my attempts are being frustrated by Filll insistence that I accept his interpretation and his argumentative input. Anthon01 (talk) 04:36, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

I made a statement at the end of a long contentious series of edits, in which I was not involved; in my statement I tried to put the topic back on track.

Shotinfo on another page mimicks my comment "Can we complete the arguments on user talk pages and stay on topic here?" after I make a single edit expressing my displeasure at Filll condescending remark. I believe I am being baited. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Anthon01 (talk • contribs) 04:48, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

User talk:Youonlylivetwice#Reasons for unblock

I hate to come by and ruin any good mood you have, but YOLT has requested an unblock. I have already declined the unblock, although with it he had seven points (in the section linked to above) where he's protesting his innocence. While I have rebutted most of them, I cannot answer his fifth concern (with regards to your third conclusion on the SPP case) as I am unfamiliar with the original dispute and Mudaliar; I was wondering if you could explain? -Jéské 09:23, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

Done. Jehochman 14:03, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

talk:quantum cryptography

Hello Jehochman, I appreciate you helping me in the past, and I come to you requesting a little bit more. I recently reverted an edit by a user (page: quantum cryptography) because I consider it to be dubious and away from the mainstream. He claims there are valid 'man-in-the-middle' attacks for a quantum cryptographic system, and deleted a large section of article devoted to explaining why they are not possible. You can read the talk page, as I explained to him why his edit doesn't belong, and then he reverted my edit. So rather than get into an "undo" war, I would like to divert this to an administrator for arbitration. Thank you. --MaizeAndBlue86 (talk) 12:18, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

What you need is mediation, not arbitration, or perhaps third opinion. Can you show some "diffs" where the editor is deleting material? Whatever you do, don't battle with them. Let them have their way, temporarily, and we'll get it sorted out. Jehochman 14:44, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

Ok, sorry I was unclear about the terms. Here is a diff of his deletions, and here is a link to the diff of 2 changes that I made: first reverting his deletion, then I deleted the last paragraph of the section because it is an unreasonable method to break a quantum encryption protocol, for reasons I specified in the talk section.

Also, I'm not very good at making links, as you can probably tell. How would i make an internal link to that diff page?--MaizeAndBlue86 (talk) 16:29, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

I suggest you contact User:Elonka and ask her to read the article. She is Elonka Dunin. Jehochman 14:04, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

I've got to be honest, I'm not real impressed with Misplaced Pages's mediation policy. It's been a week since i raised this issue and since then the article has been edited a bunch of times despite the erroneous change that I dispute. I am better off, it seems, to just get into an edit war with someone rather than come to an admin for a thid opinion. Is this what all mediation is like?--MaizeAndBlue86 (talk) 11:20, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

No. Have you tried WP:MEDCAB or WP:MEDCOM? I am not a mediation specialist. Jehochman 11:49, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

FYI, in regards to an AE discussion you took part in

FYI, in regards to an AE discussion you took part in. Lawrence § t/e 00:01, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

Proposal RE: User:Mikkalai's vow of silence

You are a previous participant in the discussion at WP:AN/I about User:Mikkalai's vow of silence. This is to inform you, that I have made a proposal for resolution for the issue. I am informing all of the users who participated, so this is not an attempt to WP:CANVAS support for any particular position.

The proposal can be found at: Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#Proposed resolution (Mikkalai vow of silence) Jerry talk ¤ count/logs 01:47, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Suspected sock puppets/22holberg

Hi, I'm coming to you because you closed the last one I opened - it has been confirmed at the related checkuser request that these are indeed sockpuppets - what happens now? -- Roleplayer (talk) 10:41, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

The checkuser clerks will block them. Jehochman 19:50, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

Search engine optimization

Jehochman an anon IP tried Spamming Search engine optimization with their promotional links, but the text was good and relevent to the article. I removed the Spam links and created a new section SEO techniques. Search_engine_optimization#SEO_techniques Still citation needed. I do not know if you like it but it does look good. Please take a look. If you like it we can keep it or if you do not agree with it just remove the section and the text. Igor Berger (talk) 19:40, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

Okay but we may want to work that section in later on with reference to PageRank. It does look appropriate for the article topic. Igor Berger (talk) 19:46, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

Disregard! PageRank already in the article. Igor Berger (talk) 23:30, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

Bot action on Rue

A bot has removed your protection template here. You may wish to reinstate a new one unless the protection is no longer warranted. - CobaltBlueTony™ _talk 14:36, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

Hi

I fail to understand. When Ronnotel can follow a single point agenda on Misplaced Pages to get me banned - why can't I respond? DemolitionMan (talk) 17:22, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

You can respond, but you can't do unto him exactly as he does unto you, because Misplaced Pages isn't the Old Testament. If his accusations are false, explain why. Don't turn around and make you own false accusations against him. Jehochman 18:02, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

Absidy et al.

Hey, has Obuibo Mbstpo disclosed all of his sockpuppets to you? The "others before that" and "used only a time or two" comments on his user page are a tad disquieting. TenOfAllTrades(talk) 23:41, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

Protecting Randy B

You are either a truly lovely man or are choosing to protect an editor that shouldn't be protected. You chose to delete my comment to him in which I expressed concern that he mis-quoted me; in other words, he put into quotes a statement in which he said that I made (but didn't). I personally do not think that such editors should be protected. Other people should see that he seemingly showing bad faith on wikipedia. Then, another editor chose to defend Randy B by saying that I was "baiting" him. "Baiting" does not mean expressing concern about making quotes up out of thin air. My concern was real, and yet, for unknown reasons, you and other editors are protecting/defending an editor that perhaps should not be protected or defended...or worse, perhaps you are choosing to be complicate in these shenanigans. I want to AGF. Please tell me why I should. DanaUllman 23:59, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

I think you should not look at Misplaced Pages as a battleground where ideas clash and various editors struggle for the primacy of their beliefs. That is not what Misplaced Pages is supposed to be. Jehochman 00:14, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

Jehochman, unfortunately Misplaced Pages is becoming a battle ground. As you can see in this thread Misplaced Pages:Administrators%27_noticeboard#WIKIFASCISM: new word; definition page deleted by wikifascist editor as contentless. If it is a WP:DUCK it is a duck and we should not WP:HORSE it but try to deal with the problem before it escalates itself beyond control. And this is not just a few editors' POV but the whole Internet community sees us in such light. Igor Berger (talk) 00:43, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

Jehochman...first, I have not told you yet, but you're one of the few people here who is transparent...and I have a great respect for those fellow editors who are transparent. I feel much more comfortable disagreeing (or agreeing) with a real person than an anonymous person. To clarify my intentions, I am not interested in the "primacy of beliefs." I am academically-oriented, and I'm interested in helping to create NPOV info on specific subjects that shows various viewpoints and that is notable and reliable. I do not want just "positive" info, but of the "negative" or skeptical info, it should be accurate and notable. What doesn't work is when editors are not honest and when other editors defend or protect them. Please give me a reason that I should not undo your deleting of the real and serious concerns that I expressed to Randy B. If you need to tell me something privately, please email me. DanaUllman 03:09, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

Jimbo

Your posts to my user talk were a little confusing at first. Then I realized you might have thought it was a surprise. If you like, tell Danny I can bring in Virgil Griffith too. Durova 04:55, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

Well, you hadn't mentioned it before. Could you ask Virgil if he would license the Wikiscanner code? I could arrange hosting and constant maintenance. The database hasn't been updated since August. Keeping the thing running and paying for hosting is a non-trivial challenge, but I think I see a way to do it. Jehochman 12:37, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

Help! Vietnam War article

Hi Jehochman, I'm concerned about the user CompScientist's recent edits to the Vietnam War page - please have a look. Thank you! twinqletwinqle (talk) 03:14, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

Conflict of interest

Jehochman, can you please take a look at a short essay that I have written about this topic User:Igorberger/Conflict of interest. I know we talked about this at lengh at AN when the issue was brought up by one editor about 3 months ago, but it keeps creeping back to us. Should we not have some sort of official policy or guidelines to avoid any problems or false accusations that may develop because of the misperseption of what constitutes WP:COI. There are many consultants, lawyers and other professional editors on Misplaced Pages. Do we just go on a witch hunt and start hanging all of them? This could be a serious problem unless we define some guiddelines as to what is permisable by the community and what is not. Thank you, Igor Berger (talk) 00:27, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

We have WP:COI and Misplaced Pages:Business' FAQ and User:Durova/The dark side and Misplaced Pages:Search engine optimization. Jehochman 00:29, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

Thank you for the article links. I am glad we have precedence in this matter, and we do not chase professional people away. Spending countless hours on Misplaced Pages editing just to sell a Misplaced Pages articles is not even a financially viable opportunity. One would make much more money doing other work! One must really love Misplaced Pages to keep staying around, dealing with all this wikidrama, and keep building it for everyone to learn from and enjoy. Thank you, 00:50, 7 March 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Igorberger (talk • contribs)

Hello

You have put a completely incorrect interpretation of the RfCU on the article probation page. Unprovoked/RDOlivaw/DrEightyEight are one user, that's old old news. There was no connection made between this user and MC or The Tutor, nor was a connection proven between MC and The Tutor. MC is being vanished, per his own request. The Tutor is not blocked. You should correct this ASAP. —Whig (talk) 00:32, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

Please read more carefully. MC was not proven to be TT. The connection has been denied. AGF, and please strike this nonsense. —Whig (talk) 00:48, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

You're getting warmer, but you're still in the wrong. Repeating accusations like that is not helpful. —Whig (talk) 00:57, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

I really think you are doing the wrong thing here. I wish you would remove your statement until you can ascertain the facts. You are not making a false statement now, but you are imputing bad faith to a real person and to a new editor when no accusations of abusing sock puppet accounts has been proven. I ask you again to strike it or we should seek some kind of dispute resolution. —Whig (talk) 01:11, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

I have posted to WP:AN. —Whig (talk) 02:10, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

User Jupiter Optimus Maximus

Just on a hunch, I wonder if you might check out User:Jupiter Optimus Maximus (talk). He appeared in late February, 2008, about the time Illustrious One was blocked, and shares many characteristics, including a fascination with categories. I'm not entirely convinced they're the same, but the stars are starting to align. Elphion (talk) 01:19, 7 March 2008 (UTC)