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:::::::::Actually, I'm questioning consistency (or lack thereof). And at this point, motivation. ] (]) 19:30, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
:::::::::Actually, I'm questioning consistency (or lack thereof). And at this point, motivation. ] (]) 19:30, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
::::::::::The motivation is that he's mad about someone criticizing the BSA. Look at his userpage. ] (]) 19:33, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
::::::::::The motivation is that he's mad about someone criticizing the BSA. Look at his userpage. ] (]) 19:33, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
:::::::::::Again, reading is FUNdamental, and it's apparently a skill that you are lacking. My motivation isn't that it criticizes the BSA. I have my gripes about their policies and have said that many times. My issue is that it's a divisive userbox that serves no other purpose than to attack. My side issue is the fact that Allstarecho chose to stonewall instead of collaborate. I do find it interesting to note that for three people who wish to not be judged based on their beliefs and orientation, you are very quick to judge and make assumptions about me based on my affiliation with the BSA. I have made no such judgements about you, and the hypocrisy of this shows through greatly. Kind of makes me question the motivation behind supporting such a divisive userbox instead of work on something collaboratively... ] (]) 19:47, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
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Lol. yes the right user but I mischaracterized them as new-ish, edits I had seen on other articles led me to think they were just testing the waters but the work seems good. Benjiboi01:59, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
Okay - that made me laugh - A LOT! I just came from the weekly drag king show in Wilmington, NC, so that's just priceless :) -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 08:40, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
Maybe Scarlet doesn't host the shows anymore. I can't find a pic of her. I know Tara did alot of hosting the last few times I was there, but Scarlet use to be the head queen. Looking through this list, I realized I've seen many of them perform. I use to be a barfly, but no more. Jakki O'Knight hosts the Trailer Trash Drag Night on Thursdays at Flex in Raleigh. If you ever get a change, GO. She is the funniest thing ever and was even on Fox News during the Duke Lacrosse scandal because her cousing was the accuser. AgnosticPreachersKid (talk) 16:18, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
APK, there are just some pictures of yourself that you really shouldn't upload on Misplaced Pages or Commons. I am going to tag that pic of you for SPEEDY DELETE. - ✰ALLSTAR✰ 10:53, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
I removed your userbox from the Scouting userbox listing, per Content Restrictions on userboxes that are divisive or inflammatory, specifically "Misplaced Pages is not an appropriate place for propaganda, advocacy, or recruitment of any kind, commercial, political, religious, or otherwise, opinion pieces on current affairs or politics, self-promotion, or advertising." Saying you are against the BSA and support another organization for that reason is divisive. Per the userbox guideline, this isn't appropriate. I'm not disagreeing with the meaning behind the userbox, but the delivery is the part in question. Justinm1978 (talk) 20:16, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
I disagree with that assessment as almost every userbox at Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Scouting/Userboxes violates that policy via "commercial" (The BSA makes money selling things), "political" (The BSA receives government money and uses government facilities), "religious" (The BSA promotes Christian-only religion and discriminates against Agnostics) and "self-promotion" (the userboxes promote the BSA and many areas of the BSA) aspects. Therefore, User:Allstarecho/scouts is no more divisive or in violation of policy that 98% of the current boxes are. - ✰ALLSTAR✰ 20:29, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
You're arguing a red herring and avoiding what is actually being said with the BSA boxes: Nothing in there is promoting the preference of the BSA over another similar organization. Your userbox directly attacks instead of promotes Campfire USA. Per that policy cited above, the correct way to word your userbox would be "This user supports the programs and policies of Campfire USA." No injection of political or religious bias, just simply stating that you prefer the programs of Campfire USA.
Read this sentence, and tell me how your userbox DOESN'T violate this: "Essentially: Express what you like, rather than what you don't like. Express who you are, rather than who you aren't. Express what you do, rather than what you don't." Justinm1978 (talk) 20:47, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
It doesn't "attack", it cites fact. The links go to articles and sections of articles on Misplaced Pages. - ✰ALLSTAR✰ 20:51, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
Calling someone or something homophobic is an attack. And you didn't explain how the userbox addresses the key sentence above that I am calling your userbox divisive over. Justinm1978 (talk) 20:54, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
Sidenote: Educate yourself a bit more about the BSA before making sweeping verdicts that are patently false. They've got a lot of policy problems, I agree, but they are not commercial (501(c)3 non-profit), and by that status they are specifically prohibited from being political (receiving federal subsidies and access to governmental facilities does not make an entity political), and they are not Christian-only by any means (pretty much so long as you profess a belief in a deity, you pass the religious test). As I said, they've got their problems and I wish they'd join the 21st century, but your argument here is incorrect. Justinm1978 (talk) 20:53, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
Reverting vandalism
Take a look at this diff: . The reason I bring up the diff is that this is the revision you reverted to on mutualism. Please ensure you revert to good version. Thanks. Richard001 (talk) 02:14, 8 March 2008 (UTC)
Take two seconds and do some friggin' research, the Jackson South Coast League team isn't gonna happen for '08 - it's listed on the South Coast League web site, as well as its wikipedia page. It's correct with the four teams. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Chicken Parm (talk • contribs) 04:55, 8 March 2008 (UTC)
The team is still considered part of the South Coast League and therefore remains in the template. - ✰ALLSTAR✰ 05:05, 8 March 2008 (UTC)
IP?
hey, i have no idea what .net is so my question is, can a whole apartment building go to the same ip address? i'm sure i didn't edit anything unless it was a george bush page :) so please let me know if you know about the ip situation. otherwise my wife is being weird on wiki and i highly doubt taht.... she barely knows it exists??
Hi ASE, tough one. No other sources, eh? We do prefer reliable secondary sources to primary ones, as you know... The only possibility I can imagine is the use of this template, but I don't really recommend using personal interactions - and, as you say, interactions which can only be verified by those with OTRS access. ~ Riana ⁂14:26, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
Because you can't get it removed from WikiProject Scouting, you go and nom it for deletion? Seriously, what is your motivation here? There is nothing wrong with a userbox pointing out one organization's homophobia over another one. If the articles can do it, so can a userbox. - ✰ALLSTAR✰ 18:09, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
Namecalling just isn't appropriate for anyone to do. I nominated it because you won't consider a compromise that is less inflammatory, per the recommendation given on my talk page from the other editor who reverted my removal. He's not supporting one way or the other, just not wanting an edit war. Would you accept a userbox that said "This user supports the BSA over Camp FIre USA because of Campfire's immoral policies"? That's essentially the reverse of what your box says. I wouldn't accept that either, and I'd make that MfD just as quick as I made this one. Justinm1978 (talk) 18:15, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
Would I accept a userbox that said "This user supports the BSA over Camp FIre USA because of Campfire's immoral policies"? You bet your ass I would! Firstly, because it would give balance. Secondly, because I may not like what a userbox says, but I'll defend its right, and it's creator's right, to say it. - ✰ALLSTAR✰ 18:20, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
Well, that's why we have MfD and various other processes to sort out differences such as this. I happen to think you are wrong, but we'll leave that up to the community. Justinm1978 (talk) 18:25, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
You are free to do what you feel like doing, however I fail to see how letting the two people who contacted me regarding this issue (one on my talk page and one via email) is canvasing, especially considering that of those two, only one participated in the MfD, and of the 7 votes for delete, he was the only one I talked to. Not quite the conspiracy you are making it out to be, but do feel free to exercise your rights afforded to you. Justinm1978 (talk) 02:15, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
"They" closed it because it met criteria for speedy deletion, per the closing admin who has no relation to the BSA or WikiProject Scouting. Justinm1978 (talk) 02:23, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
Dreadstar, you're out of line. The second version did not mention the Boy Scouts of America in it anywhere and as such, was not recreation of previously deleted content. Look for a notice on ANI soon. - ✰ALLSTAR✰ 05:49, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
This kerfuffle is pretty odd--I thought the point of userboxes was in part because as user page accessories, they're one of the few outlets of subjective expression allowed here. I understand the "define what you are, not what you aren't" argument but a cursory glance at other available userboxes shows quite a few that could fit in that category, but which don't seem to be as aggressively targetted for deletion. Rachel Summers (talk) 03:18, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
You're right. The reason this one was targeted was because former Boy Scout editors didn't take too kindly to the userbox. In the words of Will Beback, "Better articles are our goal, not better policies." AgnosticPreachersKid (talk) 03:38, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
Truth hurts. The scouting movement does a lot of good, but that doesn't make entrenched homophobic policies acceptable. Stopping ASE commenting via a userbox may make former scouts feel better - but it shouldn't. Preventing someone calling a spade a spade doesn't change the nature of the spade. Jay*Jay (talk) 11:34, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
Oy. Reading is FUNdamental. It was "targeted" because it was listed in WikiProject Scouting and was pitting one scout group against another, which is something the WikiProject is actively not doing. They are providing the facts of each scouting group without promotion of one over the other. Allstarecho refused to modify it so it wouldn't be attacking one over another and also refused to let it be removed from the project. Because he refused to cooperate in any way, I took it to MfD, where it was clearly seen as an attack and deleted accordingly. The only aggression comes from Allstarecho's unwillingness to collaborate, which is against the very purpose of wikipedia.
It doesn't make me comfortable to have this removed, it makes me uncomfortable that name-calling has to be used at all. I'd immediately MfD a template supporting "the BSA because they Keep Out The Pillow-Biters" as an attack userbox as well. The issue lies with the qualifier, not the message , which has been stated many times before, but apparently it's just so much easier to believe that there is a Sinister Boy Scout Cabal out to squelch opinions. Rachel, you are using the other crap exists argument as reason against deletion, which is not valid. Justinm1978 (talk) 15:06, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
Again, reading is FUNdamental, and it's apparently a skill that you are lacking. My motivation isn't that it criticizes the BSA. I have my gripes about their policies and have said that many times. My issue is that it's a divisive userbox that serves no other purpose than to attack. My side issue is the fact that Allstarecho chose to stonewall instead of collaborate. I do find it interesting to note that for three people who wish to not be judged based on their beliefs and orientation, you are very quick to judge and make assumptions about me based on my affiliation with the BSA. I have made no such judgements about you, and the hypocrisy of this shows through greatly. Kind of makes me question the motivation behind supporting such a divisive userbox instead of work on something collaboratively... Justinm1978 (talk) 19:47, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
This page setup
Hey Allstar, this version of your page has major overlap of text with boxes and images for me. I use an XP system and Firefox. I don't know what it looks like in other systems. Aleta03:50, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
There's a bit of overlap for me too, but just the top logo of Allstar's name overlapping the User label. It goes away when I reduce my browser from full-screen, though. Rachel Summers (talk) 03:55, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
AllStar, my laptop monitor doesn't go beyond 1024 by 768 - and your user page looks sub-optimal on my screen, fyi. :) Jay*Jay (talk) 11:39, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
My screen resolution is set at 1024x768pixels. This new setup is actually worse than before. In the previous version, I could read all the words; some of them just sat on top of boxes and pictures. Now, the pictures on the left cover up a lot of the text completely! :( Aleta15:03, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
Me thinks your puter is wonky. I changed to 1024x768 to see what it looked like and it still looks fine. No overlapping text/images, or anything else. *sigh* - ✰ALLSTAR✰ 16:49, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
Just a note to myself that Obama whipped Clinton like a gub-ment mule in the Mississippi primary last night, 61% to 37%. Obama took 17 delegates to Clinton's 11 delegates - which is an odd number since there are 40 delegates in Mississippi. Hrmmm. - ✰ALLSTAR✰ 13:46, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
I don't care how much that CNN lacky kept saying last night that black folks weren't voting for Obama just because he's black. That's a lie. I live here and I know. And they had more reason than Obama to get out and vote. Bennie Thompson is also up for re-election and they come out in droves for him, whether there's a presidential candidate on the ballot or not. Kind of like how all the straight folk came out to vote for same-sex marriage ban amendments but hey, Bush was on the same ballot so why not another 4 years. Another thing that was proven was Rush Limbaugh's call to Republicans to get out and vote for Clinton since McCain already has the nom. Last night, Clinton won sections of Mississippi that were Red in 2004. They feel that if McCain runs against Obama, there will be another Red president. Fun times here in Dixie, they are wonky. - ✰ALLSTAR✰ 14:04, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
The difference between 11+17=28 and 40 would be the superdelegates - the party leaders whose delegate votes are not tied to what the voters say. They can still cast their ballots either way they want. Things are close enough between Clinton and Obama that the superdelegates may end up deciding the candidate. Aleta15:08, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
Current Vandalism Level
Hello, I noticed you are fighting a lot of the vandalism that is going on at the moment. Got a quick question. Are you using Huggle? If so, are you using the new version? I have been using the new version, but it keeps crashing, and the vandalism level is "Severe". Any suggestions? Steve Crossin (talk) 15:10, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
Yes, I use Huggle. The new version kept crashing with me as well so I went back to the old version. - ✰ALLSTAR✰ 15:14, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
Barnstar
You definetly deserve this.
The Defender of the Wiki Barnstar
For giving me a reason to still be awake at 3am in the morning (competition), and for your tireless work in reverting vandalism, I award you this barnstar. Steve Crossin (talk) 16:21, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
lol Thank you! But you deserve it too because I'm seeing your name swatting the vandals down too! :] - ✰ALLSTAR✰ 16:30, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
Hmm, maybe I do. But, I'm not going to award myself a barnstar, am I? :P And besides, I saw your name pop up alot too, and you were beating me to the revert. I think my internet is a bit slow at the moment :( And, the new version of Buggle (called buggle as it has bugs) is not working, so I'm stuck with the old version, I hope Gurch fixes it soon. Steve Crossin (talk) 16:39, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
Hi, a while ago, I was told by addshore to add this piece of script to the huggle.css file, apparently extend reports causes problems. Here's the code.
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