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{{HELPME}}(]) keeps reverting to a sensored version of this disc page. I think the discusion should be here in tact.This way future editors see past speculative info & r deterred from adding rumours\lies\speculations to article. What is the best course of action? We're gonna be @ soon. Thank You. ] (]) 15:47, 31 March 2008 (UTC)}}

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== Controversy with Diddy! == == Controversy with Diddy! ==
There's a rumor or something going on that Diddy is dating Cassie now after his break up with Kim Porter. It says "Puffy and Cassie are still having an 'intimate dinner' at the Bond St. Restaurant in public for all see. When we left at 1am they were still playing kissy face. Man is he flagrant or what". Not sure about this one, but there were rumors about her getting her record deal by messing with him intimately. <small>—Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 03:41, 24 September 2007 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> There's a rumor or something going on that Diddy is dating Cassie now after his break up with Kim Porter. It says "Puffy and Cassie are still having an 'intimate dinner' at the Bond St. Restaurant in public for all see. When we left at 1am they were still playing kissy face. Man is he flagrant or what". Not sure about this one, but there were rumors about her getting her record deal by messing with him intimately. <small>—Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 03:41, 24 September 2007 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

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{{tnull|HELPME}}(]) keeps reverting to a sensored version of this disc page. I think the discusion should be here in tact.This way future editors see past speculative info & r deterred from adding rumours\lies\speculations to article. What is the best course of action? We're gonna be @ soon. Thank You. ] (]) 15:47, 31 March 2008 (UTC)}}
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"Still Cassie" is NOT the album title

People need to stop posting and saying that it is. Also she has NOT left Bad Boy, and her MySpace has ALWAYS said indie, it NEVER said major. She is still with Bad Boy for what we know and unless someone can post a reliable sourcing proving otherwise, it will not be accepted in this article. And her MySpace is not a reliable source. I think this article needs to be protected from ALL edits until there is news, and there won't be any news on her until her new sinlge is released (which, btw, is NOT "Sometimes"). Zaque 24 12:44, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

First Me & U Vid

In the end (and this SURE looks like the end for her), this brief controversey was one a "highlight" of her career. To restrict it to the Me & U article (and subsequently remove it from this one) is fishy - wikipedia's purpose is not to present the most polished, flattering perspective but a truthful one. User:67.85.178.227

Huge problem

The LAST SENTENCE in this article - about the original Me & U video - was just popped in by someone with no sense of organization. Also, it hasn't been "rumoured" - it EXISTS. It's constantly being added and deleted from youtube. Cassie herself has even addressed it, saying it could have scarred the beginnings of a bright future. We need the video controversey in this main article.

Ugh

YOU NEED TO CITE WHAT YOU WRITE There are no citations for her being "romantically linked" to Ryan Leslie. There is no citation for the stuff on her modeling and having to lose weight. Why is there so much bullshit on this one new R&B/pop singer, who isn't even changing the way pop and R&B sound or function?! Why must people hate? Keipop 07:04, 8 September 2006 (UTC)keipop

Who the hell put the article in bullet form!?!? Admittedly, they sure re-worded it all nice... Oh, but they deleted everything about the original Me & U video. Le sigh...
Where is it stated that she has been romantically linked to Bow Wow? What Cassie actually said, on a radio appearance, was that Bow and Omarion tried to holler at her. According to her, both sent their numbers through a third party. It's never been said that she moved on either one of them.
The description of the original video is very false and seems like a cover-up. It was very, very suggestive (with the man carressing her head, which was (kneeling?) right below him) although there was one humorous part (where Cassie falls off the bed) the vid as a whole definately wasn't intended to be funny. (obviously, sexy was the goal - and it sure was : ) She also appeared in lingerie, posing on a bed a la Paris Hilton's sex tape. A blog entry on Cassie's myspace page addressed the video (calling it "that bad, bad video") and said its leaking was distressful to her. It's been deleted from most online media sites (like youtube.com) by now.
This article is terrible! Pathetic. "... as it turned out... wasn't the only one who loved it." Ridiculous. Far too casual. It needs some serious cleaning up, and the random boldface is distracting. I'd fix more, but I'm not entirely sober. : P

what I added

I changed where it says African-American/Mexican mother to Afro-Mexican mother because the term Afro-Mexican is a simplier and more proper term for her mother's ancestry. I also added that she's an OPM singer which she is because her ballads incorperate Philippine sounds and I think I should know being part-Filipino myself.

cassie is a souberette

whether u want to face it or not cassie is a good old souberette in none of her live performances she has been able to do without lip-synching.

What is a souberette? Written by 208.58.196.156 18:20, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
She's vocally thin...janet jackson is a souberette —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.200.185.160 (talk) 06:53, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

Me & U

About half of this article is about "Me & U". Perhaps the song should have its own article and all the details can be removed from here? -- eo 04:22, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

I agree, it seems "Me and U" should get it's own article. Otherwise this page is about Cassie and should reflect on her more, not just the one popular song she did. She's obviously very beautiful and has some talent so I'm sure the article will expand in the future.69.236.97.215 04:35, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
Well, for now, she's a one hit wonder. I know, I know - the song's still up on the charts at its new peak of #3 and all, but a followup success isn't due for another few weeks. Her song is also better known than she is herself - she even complained about it on her blog. It should really be an article for Me & U with a little blurb about the singer at the end. : P I'm half serious. I'll bet this is why Me & U redirects to Cassie's biography - they want to redirect all of the attention to the singer herself.

NPOV

As much as I agree with the controversy...well, that's the problem, I could agree/disagree with it. Although I don't believe she's a fantastic singer, saying her voice is questionable or saying she's too sexual are OPINIONS, even though I agree with both, OPINIONS are OPINIONS and they are not a neutral point of view..so I unfortunately have to bomb the section with a NPOV warning. -Anom8trw8

Huh? Neutrality? Okay, I'll help out and remove some adjectives but the section must remain! Perhaps under a different title, or we could move it to the Me & U article. 67.85.178.227
The neutrality is still skewed, and the section is poorly written. I think that the TRL and 106 & Park stuff is fine (I think there should be YouTube links to the performances because they really prove she performed poorly), but there are some citations and references needed for the radio interview requests for Cassie to sing live. It says her subsequent appearances were cancelled by her record label, but again, no citations. Without proper references, these are just easy punches at Cassie--a problem with neutrality.
I also have problems with the online petition issue. Has anyone read them? They are also poorly written and whoever wrote it doesn't seem to know anything about Cassie: "We all know she is a pretty girl, perhaps she would be more successful being a model, than she will be with her music career. Diddy what is your problem with signing this chick? If you don't want Bad Boy to fall off, we suggest you drop Cassie ASAP, and suggest that she audition for Top Model or something." Um, she was a successful model. How many "ethnic" people have you seen on an A&F bag?
And finally, I have a problem with the last paragraph: "Fans also complained about the seemingly preferential treatment Diddy was giving Cassie over her labelmates..." Why would Cassie's fans complain about Diddy's supposed preferential treatment? Fans of Danity Kane complained? And again, no evidence to prove any of this. Obviously I am a fan of Cassie, and I certainly don't want this page to become a Cassie fan page, but some of this article is just abominable for a Misplaced Pages entry. --keipop

It is not neccessary

It isnt necessary to put what internet bloggers think about her performance. I think it should be taken out. PrincessOfHearts 21:39, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

NEVER, EVER underestimate the power of the people. Especially people with computers, bitch. 67.85.178.227
PrincessofHearts is right and furthermore, it isn't necessary to call people bithces.
"Bitch" ...hahaha lol that was so funnny (Wikirocks2 05:57, 15 November 2007 (UTC))

sources

Anti Cassie Petition: -> www.petition online.c om/Shamond/petition.html 106 and Park Performance:-> www.petition online.c om/Shamond/petition.html Diddy's Comments: Diddy told media sources this week: :"She had her first television performance, and she had an all right performance. You could hear the nervousness in her voice. And to be honest, I kind of smiled at it, because it made me really appreciate what I really love about her: She's a regular person. And we, as artists, we sometimes get nervous. I told her it's like riding a bike: You're gonna fall down, you got to keep on getting on it. I'm with her through her development, and I have no questioning on her ability, on her singing ability. It just made me appreciate that she got nervous, and it was kind of cute to me, to be honest.
:"It takes time when you're developing a new artist," he continued. "You can't be fickle. Some people are going to have good days and bad days. The thing about Bad Boy is, we're with our artists through all days. She's not an artist that has a problem with her vocals or singing. You've got to understand that success for her is coming out of nowhere. It's just so huge, and sometimes everybody handles it differently. So I'm quite sure she'll get over it. She's going to have to. That's part of being a recording artist, and sometimes it takes time. I don't care how many performances it is, I'm going to be with her until she gets it right."

http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1538701/20060816/story.jhtml

And the bloggers are not the only ones talking about her bad performances maybe that should be reworded.

Can someone add these sources to the page since I don't know how?

Thanks! yeah its not nessesay to add rumors or things that internet bloggers comment on. just write somthing positive

Please review article info

I know absolutely nothing about this person, but I came across this article when I was reviewing recent changes. I am pretty sure this woman was not born in Mexico, she has no bio information online (that I can find) that refers to this, but plenty that refers to her being born in New London, CT. I'm pretty sure this article has been vandalized, but maybe someone more familiar with the subject should take a bit of time to do an overview for accuracy on this point and others. Mutableye 00:08, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

she was born in New London, Connecticut. LightSpeed 02:04, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

info is getting better, nice bullet points and videos. but the danity kane/diddy point is still shakey even with the video, because that is "reality TV," which does not necessarily equal veracity and truth. Keipop 19:19, 6 September 2006 (UTC)keipop


Please add that there is an unconfirmed track calles Sometines ft.Ryan Leslie. It is on her myspace.

SMAN44

Wow

what is up with the controversy section? is it really needed?PrincessOfHearts 21:32, 11 September 2006 (UTC) It is needed as it is relevant to her history. It would be like and article on OJ Simpson and not mentioning him killing his ex.

Melissa Never Wears Socks 15:14, 22 November 2006 (UTC)11/22/06 by Melissa LansingMelissa Never Wears Socks 15:14, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

Me&u : France

Cassie's hit single me&u is #8 on French top single. Source : http://www.disqueenfrance.com/classements/singles/default.asp

You should add this information to her discography.

You guys completely destroyed the article!

I actually found this article (unlike others on this site) actually interesting, and you guys removed everything! Thats sad...anyway, I hope all of you guys have a good life and all that jazz, n' things your suppsoed to say.. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Saderocks (talkcontribs) 23:52, 20 October 2006 (UTC).

An encyclopedia is not meant to be interesting. If only "interesting" articles have a place in Wiki then articles like United States and evolutionism should disappear. mirageinred 00:50, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
Please see Misplaced Pages:Five pillars. mirageinred 00:50, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
For anyone there are going to be some people who don't like them. Should there be a "controversy" section on every article? Steve Dufour 01:41, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

Just a little heads up...I'm not re-adding the controversy thing, and to answer some of your question, no I didnt read the guide because...well, I have a life - which is probably more than I can say about you people. -Sade

Re: Controversy section

The "Controversy" section was removed because it fails to meet the Misplaced Pages guidelines for Biographies of living persons. It shouldn't be re-added without the proper citations per WP:REF. I also just removed the "Back on the Internet" section as it doesn't meet the No original research guidelines, in that it contains personal opinions. —B33R 15:17, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

24.45.55.115 01:21, 7 December 2006 (UTC)hi cassie my name is hakeem iam from brooklyn new york age 17 iam really attractive to both of your songs of long way 2 go and me and u. these are my favorite songs honestly the good things about both of your music videos is that i see that you are a excellent dancer. so what came to my mind is that you are a competent person that have the ability to do anything and thats good you should be proud of your self of the way you look because from my point of view. you look pretty but one thing i like about you is your smile so what iam trying to say here is that you are my favorite r n b female singer.

Um, Hakkem? You understand thatthere is a really low chance of Cassie reading that, right? If you really want her to see it, you might want to google around for her fanmail address. Spyco 23:54, 8 December 2006 (UTC)


Protect???

OK, this page is under frequent attack from users by people adding fake information, inparticularly to the discography section. I suggest we lock/protect this page until there is actual news, or at least totally lock the discography section until Cassie announces the new single. "Sometimes" is NOT the new single if you read her MySpace blog and the new album is called neither "The Return" or "Still Cassie." Zaque 24 17:46, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

Step Up 2

The song she recorded for the soundtrack is "Is It You", the full version leaked to the internet. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ArAcgGQK7w8

Cassie Next Album Name, and More!

I just went on her myspace and under her song "Is It You" it says 2000 Bad I'm guessing that's the name of her new album and I figured this because it can't be a label if u click on the song Is It You Snippet it'll say 2000 Bad under it for the album name search it cause I'm sure it's not a label so it has 2 be the name f her album but there's no other songs she has out and her next single would most likely be Is It You because like Ciara with "Get Up" it was all around the place as and I found out by updating on her sites thta it was a single from of "Step Up Soundtrack" and I knew it was from her new album "Ciara: The Evolution" because it was obvious and that means Cassie would probably make a video for this song and you can check her myspace ] to show u her album name and cassie is in fact a soubrette and Ciara is actually I found out a mezzo-soprano so edit those and her album sold 3 million records not 2 million making it 3x platinum selling more than 3 million records worldwide and her songs "Goodies", "1, 2 Step", and "Oh" all went to #1 in fact here's the source you need 2 read ] update or allow others to edit who know and have relevant sources and know what they're talkin about like me. CiaraCassieFan 02:10, 21 August 2007 (UTC)CiaraCassieFan —The preceding signed comment was added by CiaraCassieFan (talkcontribs) 01:58, August 21, 2007 (UTC).

Full stops?211.29.175.148 10:49, 27 August 2007 (UTC)


Controversy with Diddy!

There's a rumor or something going on that Diddy is dating Cassie now after his break up with Kim Porter. It says "Puffy and Cassie are still having an 'intimate dinner' at the Bond St. Restaurant in public for all see. When we left at 1am they were still playing kissy face. Man is he flagrant or what". Not sure about this one, but there were rumors about her getting her record deal by messing with him intimately. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 152.8.232.118 (talk) 03:41, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

Help Me

{{HELPME}}(User talk:Hello Control) keeps reverting to a sensored version of this disc page. I think the discusion should be here in tact.This way future editors see past speculative info & r deterred from adding rumours\lies\speculations to article. What is the best course of action? We're gonna be @ soon. Thank You. 70.108.82.109 (talk) 15:47, 31 March 2008 (UTC)}}

Moved to bottom of page. You have a few options:

The last three options are the preferred options. However, bear in mind that all additions must be adequately sourced, and, due to that, the article may be "censored" - but if you find a reliable source, feel free to edit it in. Hope this helps! Mcrochip  17:14, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

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