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{{User|Sabine's Sunbird}} - I hereby nominate ] for adminship. He's been an active member of ] (I was going to say the coordinator but I think we've all been on fairly equal footing there), which has yielded 22 Featured Articles in the past year or so. SS has nominated 4 Featured Articles himself. I nagged him to do this as he just asked me for Rollback rights. He has 1200 pages on his watchlist, and much of coordinating involves Moving and Renaming, as well as the frequent vandal-reversion which comes with a sizeable watchlist. I have found him thoughtful, helpful and cool-tempered and able to negotiate with others. Having been here since October 2004 I see no reason why Sabine's Sunbird should not be an admin. Cheers, ] (] '''·''' ]) 04:59, 8 April 2008 (UTC) {{User|Sabine's Sunbird}} - I hereby nominate ] for adminship. He's been an active member of ] (I was going to say the coordinator but I think we've all been on fairly equal footing there), which has yielded 22 Featured Articles in the past year or so. SS has nominated 4 Featured Articles himself. I nagged him to do this as he just asked me for Rollback rights. He has 1200 pages on his watchlist, and much of coordinating involves Moving and Renaming, as well as the frequent vandal-reversion which comes with a sizeable watchlist. I have found him thoughtful, helpful and cool-tempered and able to negotiate with others. Having been here since October 2004 I see no reason why Sabine's Sunbird should not be an admin. Cheers, ] (] '''·''' ]) 04:59, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
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#'''Reluctantly oppose''' Seems to be a good editor in general. However, I do not think that he would really need access to admin tools. I suggest that he gets involved in more admin work in Misplaced Pages. <small>—Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 23:56, 8 April 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:Unsigned2 --> #'''Reluctantly oppose''' Seems to be a good editor in general. However, I do not think that he would really need access to admin tools. I suggest that he gets involved in more admin work in Misplaced Pages. <small>—Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 23:56, 8 April 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:Unsigned2 -->
#:Would you mind expanding upon your reason please? What admin related work is he "lacking"? ] <sup>]</sup> 02:28, 9 April 2008 (UTC) #:Would you mind expanding upon your reason please? What admin related work is he "lacking"? ] <sup>]</sup> 02:28, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
#'''Oppose''' As per question 1 and per neutrals Jon513,Epbr123 and Cameron.The user has a great track in article writing ,DYK .But wonder why he/she wants the tools? Though I do not expect the user to misuse them based on track.We need active admins.Further the user has little exp in vandal fighting,Deletion,Images and most aspects of admin work and shows little incination to get involved as per question 1 .Sorry for my opposing but I do not question the user commitment or forsee any misuse of tools by the user.But as said below it is a not a ]. ] (]) 03:05, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

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#'''Neutral''' I find it hard to support a candidate that has not made a case for needing admin tools (Question 1). And while adminship is ] it is also not ]. It is almost impossible to ask follow up questions about how he would deal with admin related tasks as he has stated that he plans to only seldom use them. Nevertheless I found nothing problematic in his contributions and I have no real reason to oppose. ] (]) 11:24, 8 April 2008 (UTC) #'''Neutral''' I find it hard to support a candidate that has not made a case for needing admin tools (Question 1). And while adminship is ] it is also not ]. It is almost impossible to ask follow up questions about how he would deal with admin related tasks as he has stated that he plans to only seldom use them. Nevertheless I found nothing problematic in his contributions and I have no real reason to oppose. ] (]) 11:24, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

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Sabine's Sunbird

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Sabine's Sunbird (talk · contribs) - I hereby nominate User:Sabine's Sunbird for adminship. He's been an active member of Wikiproject Birds (I was going to say the coordinator but I think we've all been on fairly equal footing there), which has yielded 22 Featured Articles in the past year or so. SS has nominated 4 Featured Articles himself. I nagged him to do this as he just asked me for Rollback rights. He has 1200 pages on his watchlist, and much of coordinating involves Moving and Renaming, as well as the frequent vandal-reversion which comes with a sizeable watchlist. I have found him thoughtful, helpful and cool-tempered and able to negotiate with others. Having been here since October 2004 I see no reason why Sabine's Sunbird should not be an admin. Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 04:59, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

Candidate, please indicate acceptance of the nomination here:

Questions for the candidate

Dear candidate, thank you for offering to serve Misplaced Pages as an administrator. It is recommended that you answer these optional questions to provide guidance for participants:

1. What admin work do you intend to take part in?
A: I don't actually think I'll be doing too much to start with. The ability to move pages to existing pages will be a massive help in helping with the ongoing project to sort out some of our confusing bird pages. I may also find it useful to semi-protect some high traffic pages on occasions. I watch a lot of pages (or it seems like a lot!) of all kinds. I'll put myself at the disposal of the various wikiprojects I help (New Zealand, birds, mammals, dinosaurs, etc) for any admin related tasks they might have.
2. What are your best contributions to Misplaced Pages, and why?
A: I have to say my four featured articles. Okay, three and a half, because bird was a collaboration, albeit one that gave me repetitive strain injury. I've learnt a lot in the time I've been here about research, writing and collaborating and have been able to turn that into some articles that are considered amongst Misplaced Pages's best. The most important thing anyone can give this project is content, because that is what the millions of people that come to Misplaced Pages are looking for. I mean no disrespect to the many thousands of editors who contribute by fighting the hordes of barbarians (sorry, vandals) or who deal with policy and the like, but at the end of the day it is content that drives everything we do.
I'm also proud of my research. The one thing that gets my blood boiling on Misplaced Pages is the use of {{fact}} or {{cite}} tags, particularly when the citation being asked for is on the end of the next sentence. I appreciate without question the need for proper citations, but if I find a fact that needs citing I go off and try to cite it. Only if I fail do I flag it, or, more commonly, I pull it out of the text and place it in the talk page. I understand that citing is harder than simply throwing in a tag, but to me research is a massive part of my work here. I'd say I spend as much time reading journal articles, hunting through my university library and reading books and monographs for information as I do actually adding the info here. Perhaps more than half.
3. Have you been in any conflicts over editing in the past or have other users caused you stress? How have you dealt with it and how will you deal with it in the future?
A: My approach to problems I have on Misplaced Pages is to try and endlessly negotiate. If I disagree with an edit I would rather ask an editor about it than simply change it back. It works! On a few occasions these discussions have spilled over onto email and gone on for weeks. I have, on occasions, been terse and snapped at people (I'm only human) but I have apologised afterwards. It is easy to forget that tone isn't carried well in text and it is easier to cause offence. If I've been unreasonable, or suspect I have, or if it is suggested that I am, it is important to apologise.

Optional Question from Jon513

4. Would you speedily delete a bird-related article that you, with your vast knowledge of birds, are certain is a hoax?
A.A vast knowledge of birds tells me that there are 10,000 species (Or less. Or more. It's complicated.) and I don't know them all. I would obviously delete an article speedily if it came under the criteria, particularly patent nonsense or vandalism. But there have been instances in the past where bird articles flagged to WP:BIRD's attention were simply uncommon names (often foreign) for existing species. Turning it into a redirects would be more appropriate in this situation, since we already have an article for every (almost) species. Or an article was given a common name when it had only been assigned a scientific one (as happens with some fossil birds). OR, for sure, but a move would be more appropriate. If there was any doubt in my mind that it wasn't simply a hoax (and they are usually easy to spot as vandals seldom show much creativity beyond "The Poopoo bird is a bird that lives in Timmy Bean's locker and poos lots") I'd do a lot of research and bring it to the attention of the rest of WP:BIRD rather than speedy it.
Optional questions from Malinaccier Public (talk)
5. In your opinion, should bans on the En-Misplaced Pages transfer over to the Simple English Misplaced Pages? Why or why not?
A.: I don't really feel I should say how sister projects that I don't participate in or have anything to do with, that is something that the people at Simple English Misplaced Pages should have a say in. Unless they ask me, and I notice you do edit over there, so I'll assume they have. Hmm. I guess it depends. Unrepentant vandals are already banned automaticaly over there (I looked) but rulebreakers aren't. It seems odd that if specific rules were broken here they won't be broken there, however it strikes me that particularly disruptive editors would probably be banned soon enough anyway.
6. Would you be willing to make "tough" blocks?
A.
Optional questions from Cameron
7 When should cool down blocks be used?
A. Never, according to policy. The reasons make sense too, being blocked is not going to lower your blood pressure. I think cool down periods are beneficial when you are angry however, but they can only be self enforced. When I get angry I'll walk away and do something else to calm down.
8 How do you interpret the policy of WP:IAR and the essay WP:SNOW and how would you apply them?
A. Misplaced Pages can be thought of as being torn between two goals, two bosses if you will. One is to be "the sum total of all knowledge" the other being the encyclopedia that "everyone can edit". The runaway success of the project can be attributed to the impressive coming together of two very different and seemingly contradictory ideas in a way is surprising, but the marriage is not without its problems and policies and guidelines help make the two ideas possible. There are times, however, when rigidly obeying rules can make for unproductive editors. WP:IAR is essentially a consequentialist counterbalance to the swathes of policy and guidelines, and it exists to remind everyone that the rules exist to serve the goals (knowledge) and means (everyone writes), not just so that they can be followed for themselves. Interpreting and applying WP:IAR should be done cautiously and with lashings of common sense, because while everyone is trying to "imporve the encyclopedia", not everyone has exactly the same idea of what an improved encyclopedia should look like.
Optional question from CharlotteWebb
9 When asked (above) what sort of admin work you intend to do, you said (in part) "I may also find it useful to semi-protect some high traffic pages on occasions". Under what circumstances would this be appropriate, in your opinion?
A. Overall I have never seen a page I tend to work on being fully protected. Bird has been semi protected for months, because it was the subject of near constant vandalism (obviously this will have to come off once it is on the main page, and I anticipate the vandalism that day will be epic in nature). Some pages, particularly well known pages like parrot or eagle occasionally attract reccuring vandals and in those situations it is appropriate to semi-protect for a few days. However it should be used sparingly as there are still some good anonymous editors writing with IPs, and of course most editors begin their career in that way. It's all about balancing the workload of the vandal fighters with the need to make editing accessible to all.

General comments

Please keep discussion constructive and civil. If you are unfamiliar with the nominee, please thoroughly review Special:Contributions/Sabine's Sunbird before commenting.

Discussion

Support
  1. Support as nominator. Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 05:57, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
  2. Support valuable contributor and will be able to make good use of additional tools. Shyamal (talk) 05:59, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
  3. Oh, absolutely excellent user. No hesitation. -- Anonymous Dissident 06:02, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
  4. Strong support - great contributor. Blnguyen (bananabucket) 06:03, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
  5. Support - an ideal candidate. Risker (talk) 06:06, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
  6. Support, great editor, will make a good admin.-gadfium 06:09, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
  7. Support - Exceptional article builder. I suggest taking the time to bask in the warmth of that which is admin-related areas in the near future, however, given what you intend to work on, and where you experience lies, I think I can trust you with the tools. Wisdom89 (T / ) 06:12, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
  8. Just what we need. Hesperian 06:13, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
  9. Support per Casliber. Sincerely, --Le Grand Roi des Citrouilles 06:17, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
  10. Support. Excellent work. SynergeticMaggot (talk) 06:25, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
  11. Support. An excellent and experience editor who knows what he's doing. Useight (talk) 06:37, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
  12. Support A long-standing, important contributor, always civil, accurate and diligent. no concerns at all - I'd vote twice if I could Jimfbleak (talk) 06:48, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
  13. Support Sure looks good to me. faithless () 06:53, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
  14. Yes, please.--Yamanbaiia 07:34, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
  15. Support - excellent contributor who well deserves the "next step". MeegsC | Talk 08:03, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
  16. Automatic-Casliber-support. dihydrogen monoxide (H2O) 08:08, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
  17. Strong Support - How are you not a admin already? =D --Liempt (talk) 08:48, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
  18. Suppport, no concern here. Seems capable and sensible. Neıl ☎ 09:21, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
  19. Support, seems sensible enough, no indication that they would abuse the tools. Lankiveil 09:53, 8 April 2008 (UTC).
  20. Support, Support, Support, erm, if I didn't a) see exemplary contribs and b) already trust the superb nominator I'd c) be blown away by some excellent answers to questions. Can I support three times? --Dweller (talk) 10:11, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
  21. Support Very impressive indeed. Orderinchaos 11:04, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
  22. Support - trustworthy editor. PhilKnight (talk) 11:54, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
  23. As strong as possible. It doesn't matter if the user "doesn't need them," as outlined in WP:AAAD. Absolutely no hesitations about this. Nousernamesleft 15:34, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
  24. Support No problems here. --Siva1979 16:07, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
  25. Support reliable user. SexySeaShark 16:09, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
  26. Support. I actually liked the answer to Q#1. User does not "need" the tools, but will be of greater use with possession of them. MrPrada (talk) 16:41, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
  27. Support. Why, of course! bibliomaniac15 Hey you! Stop lazing around and help fix this article instead! 16:44, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
  28. Big Bird Support. Polite & humble. Trying to write an encyclopedia. Always good. Should have tools. Just asked for rollback but obviously deserves more. JFW | T@lk 17:09, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
  29. -- Naerii 19:28, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
  30. Support. Switching to Strong support based on your exquisite answers to the two questions by Cameron (7 & 8). Perfect answers.) Trusting the nom on this one, as I haven't seen you around. (Probably because of my severe Ornithophobia ;-). Or maybe a bad experience with one of these... Anywho, you've got a nice, easygoing civil attitude, you work to make the encyc. a better, more precise and reliable source, clean talk history, prolific writer. What's not to love? Easy support. Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 20:17, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
  31. Support - Don't much like the general lack of admin work, but feel that this is not enough to prevent me from supporting. —  scetoaux (T|C) 20:42, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
  32. Support - Garion96 (talk) 21:05, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
  33. Support Though I firmly disagree with your comments about the placement of citations, you're still certainly trustworthy. VanTucky 21:17, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
  34. Support No problems to be seen. Article building is always a plus. --Sharkface217 22:12, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
  35. Strong support. Exactly the sort of candidate we need. --JayHenry (talk) 23:27, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
  36. Support on wings Sabine's Sunbird is smart, even-tempered, and generally awesome to collaborate with. He should know by experience when protection, unprotection, and pagemoves are appropriate, and he also knows what he doesn't know so I'm not concerned about lack of experience in other areas. Clayoquot (talk | contribs) 23:39, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
  37. Support. — Athaenara ✉ 00:04, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
  38. Support. I find that I trust this user after reading the replies to questions. I do, however, believe that you should start slow if you decide to go into anti-vandal activities and other areas where you haven't had much experience. Malinaccier (talk) 00:29, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
  39. Support. Clearly a dedicated editor, no reason to worry about abuse of the tools. Spinach Dip 01:07, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
  40. Daniel (talk) 01:44, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
  41. Support for an excellent content oriented contributor. We need all types of admins. —Moondyne click! 02:03, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
  42. Support - Looks like a good candidate. Give em' the mop! Tiptoety 02:29, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
Oppose
  1. Oppose -- Sorry not enough work at WP:AIV to name just one! I also found the answer to Q1 rather worrying...--Cameron (t|p|c) 11:54, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
    Work at the various editing abuse forums and the like are not a mandatory requirement for adminship, you know... -- Anonymous Dissident 14:13, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
    I agree 100% with Anonymous Dissident. Admins are not solely vandal fighters. Spinach Dip 00:59, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
  2. Oppose - This user is constantly incivil. Goodandhonestwhig (talk) 16:12, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
    Examples would be appreciated, thanks in advance. Nick (talk) 16:40, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
    Goodandhonestwhig has been blocked for 31 hours for abuse of editing privileges . EJF (talk) 16:59, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
    And has made a grand total of 13 edits (in none of the areas regularly edited by User:Sabine's Sunbird) since creating an account—until today, when s/he suddenly made a flurry of edits re: this RfA. Seem odd to anybody else? MeegsC | Talk 21:00, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
    I motion that we strike this user's vote from the record if future vandalism to Misplaced Pages occurs. --Sharkface217 22:11, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
    As per the block (log) I support striking it. — Athaenara ✉ 00:14, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
  3. Reluctantly oppose Seems to be a good editor in general. However, I do not think that he would really need access to admin tools. I suggest that he gets involved in more admin work in Misplaced Pages. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Stephenchou0722 (talk • contribs) 23:56, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
    Would you mind expanding upon your reason please? What admin related work is he "lacking"? Tiptoety 02:28, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
  4. Oppose As per question 1 and per neutrals Jon513,Epbr123 and Cameron.The user has a great track in article writing ,DYK .But wonder why he/she wants the tools? Though I do not expect the user to misuse them based on track.We need active admins.Further the user has little exp in vandal fighting,Deletion,Images and most aspects of admin work and shows little incination to get involved as per question 1 .Sorry for my opposing but I do not question the user commitment or forsee any misuse of tools by the user.But as said below it is a not a a recognition of hard work. Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 03:05, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
Neutral
  1. Neutral I find it hard to support a candidate that has not made a case for needing admin tools (Question 1). And while adminship is no big deal it is also not a recognition of hard work. It is almost impossible to ask follow up questions about how he would deal with admin related tasks as he has stated that he plans to only seldom use them. Nevertheless I found nothing problematic in his contributions and I have no real reason to oppose. Jon513 (talk) 11:24, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
  2. Neutral per lack of deletion and vandal-fighting experience. Epbr123 (talk) 11:36, 8 April 2008 (UTC)